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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #31 on: August 13, 2013, 09:46:00 AM »
Desk Jockey - Well done! Congratulations. Keep on going brother!
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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #30 on: August 13, 2013, 02:04:00 AM »
Hey man congrats on HOF brother. I don't want to hear any shit about blunts either, it's a cave no matter how small the amount is lmao. Hey all jokes aside hell of an accomplishment. Now we have another floor to get your ass signed up for so get over to August, post roll, and sign up for 200. I quit with you all day today.
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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2013, 05:39:00 PM »
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Quote from: DeskJockey
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.
No. Mine were different. Huge depression. If the doctor says you are ok, you probably are. The bitch manifests her self in different ways for different folks. It was not until 160 days when I knew what "normal" was. I have been crushing her since.

Day 961. FU nic.
I agree with Scowick. If a pro says you are ok then assume that you are and the Nic Bitch is looking for a way back into your life. Life is tough enough when it's going great. It's even tougher when you're new into a quit. No need to go looking for more trouble and worries.

One day far ahead in your new quit life you're going to wake up and the side of your tongue is going to hurt like hell and scare the shit out of you. Maybe your jaw will hurt after feeling great for months. Maybe a sore will appear. It's real pain but can a Dr define its origin? Maybe, maybe not. Take this all in stride. Assume it's the nic-bitch, playing very unfairly, trying anything to get back into your life.

You used nicotine for a long time, likely for hours every day. It's going to take a long time to rewire your brain to a life without nicotine. You'll need to relearn how to do everything without it: showering, shitting, driving, golfing, drinking, whatever it was.

These "funks" are fairly predictable among qutters. Mid 20s, mid 70s, post HOF, 180s, 225, etc. I can't explain why this is. Kind of like an office full of chicks that all start menstrating at the same time. You can try to figure out the why and how, or you can accept it and move on.

Just remember that the bad times get further and further apart. The better days get better and better!
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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2013, 05:08:00 PM »
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Quote from: boomdrum
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: DeskJockey
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.
No. Mine were different. Huge depression. If the doctor says you are ok, you probably are. The bitch manifests her self in different ways for different folks. It was not until 160 days when I knew what "normal" was. I have been crushing her since.

Day 961. FU nic.
Everything you've said leads me to believe you're suffering from depression/anxiety induced panic attacks.

Get a referral to a psychiatrist.

Very common for people to mistake panic attacks for heart attacks. I went to the ER 2 times in my 20's convinced I was dying, but turns out I was having panic attacks.

If you're a worrier like me, sometimes your thinking can spiral and then the "fight or flight" response kicks in. Life is hard and can be overwhelming at times.

Good news is that its treatable. Feel free to send me a PM if you want to talk more about it.
is this question for your or overitinMT... your post was confusing in the quit thread.
Sorry traumagnet - didn't mean to confuse. When he talked about feeling like he was dying, it reminded me that I still feel that way 85 days into this.

I am only asking about myself and am very grateful to those who have respoonded, both here and via PM.

I guess I need to learn more about panic and anxiety. I thought those were mental problems, like being scared of something bad that might happen (that test you didn't study for in college, or a job performance review, or whatever).

What I'm feeling is physical...or though it seems.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2013, 03:13:00 PM »
Quote from: boomdrum
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: DeskJockey
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.
No. Mine were different. Huge depression. If the doctor says you are ok, you probably are. The bitch manifests her self in different ways for different folks. It was not until 160 days when I knew what "normal" was. I have been crushing her since.

Day 961. FU nic.
Everything you've said leads me to believe you're suffering from depression/anxiety induced panic attacks.

Get a referral to a psychiatrist.

Very common for people to mistake panic attacks for heart attacks. I went to the ER 2 times in my 20's convinced I was dying, but turns out I was having panic attacks.

If you're a worrier like me, sometimes your thinking can spiral and then the "fight or flight" response kicks in. Life is hard and can be overwhelming at times.

Good news is that its treatable. Feel free to send me a PM if you want to talk more about it.
is this question for your or overitinMT... your post was confusing in the quit thread.
Complacency sucks, one moment of it is the difference between being a user and a quitter....OIB

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2013, 02:27:00 PM »
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Quote from: DeskJockey
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.
No. Mine were different. Huge depression. If the doctor says you are ok, you probably are. The bitch manifests her self in different ways for different folks. It was not until 160 days when I knew what "normal" was. I have been crushing her since.

Day 961. FU nic.
Everything you've said leads me to believe you're suffering from depression/anxiety induced panic attacks.

Get a referral to a psychiatrist.

Very common for people to mistake panic attacks for heart attacks. I went to the ER 2 times in my 20's convinced I was dying, but turns out I was having panic attacks.

If you're a worrier like me, sometimes your thinking can spiral and then the "fight or flight" response kicks in. Life is hard and can be overwhelming at times.

Good news is that its treatable. Feel free to send me a PM if you want to talk more about it.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2013, 02:16:00 PM »
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Quote from: DeskJockey
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.
No. Mine were different. Huge depression. If the doctor says you are ok, you probably are. The bitch manifests her self in different ways for different folks. It was not until 160 days when I knew what "normal" was. I have been crushing her since.

Day 961. FU nic.
Hey brother. I'm only on day 31, but here's my 2 cents anyway.

From everything I've read, you should be WELL past any physical withdrawal symptoms. Psychological symptoms can be present for many months, however. Don't underestimate the power of your mind. Anxiety/stress can be a huge cause of many physical ailments. Go online and read the symptoms of anxiety - every physical ailment known to man is on that list. Often times, a clean bill of health will reduce physical symptoms simply due to peace of mind, but there are cases where folks can't get out of their own heads.

I'm not a doctor, but since the doctors say you are fine, my guess would be that this is a mental hurdle, which would also explain your poor attitude. Have you recently been under more stress than usual? You know, in addition to quitting your nicotine love affair 85 days ago.

The one thing I can say for certain is that nicotine will not help. Keep quit, and quiet your mind.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2013, 01:59:00 PM »
Quote from: DeskJockey
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.
No. Mine were different. Huge depression. If the doctor says you are ok, you probably are. The bitch manifests her self in different ways for different folks. It was not until 160 days when I knew what "normal" was. I have been crushing her since.

Day 961. FU nic.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2013, 01:51:00 PM »
I have a health question for you guys. I posted this in my quit thread but after thinking about it, this might reach a larger audience.

First, a follow up to the dentist thing - I went back for a cleaning on June 27 and was told everything looks great in my mouth. Excellent.

However, it's the rest of me that has me worried.

I'm on Day 85 of my quit.

Is anyone around this day range still having physical withdrawal symptoms? I think I am. The doctor says I'm healthy but I feel like bad often, and have heart attack symptoms too. I get tingling in arms, sweating, a feeling of panic, and chest pains. Most often these come in the middle of the night or when I'm sitting at my desk at work.

I've had a treadmill stress test, EKGs, chest X-rays, and a full physical exam since quitting - they all say I'm fine. I also seem to have agenerally poor attitude about a lot of things - money, alcohol, my job, my family, etc. Mostly, I just want to be left alone, except when I'm grabbing my chest and certain that I'm having a heart attack.

Don't get me wrong - I don't take out my frustrations on my family, but sometimes I just think to myself that I wish they'd all go away for a while, ya know?

I DO NOT want any tobacco but I feel bad physically more often than I feel "normal" or good. I also spend over an hour a day on my bicycle most days (35-40 minute commute to work each way) and I'm only a few pounds overweight. I should feel good but don't.

Anyone else have PHYSICAL problems like this? Thanks.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 10:08:00 AM »
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I hear ya DJ...I did the same some time back...my ins guy did the same thing showed me the rates of tobacco users vs non users...it was almost double for me and I assume the same for you judging on your grad year I was 85 in Cortez CO. But he told me 50 days...dick I went 20 more than I needed too JK...

Well now I am doing it different its not for this and for that the pope the lunar cycle menstral cycle what have you its for me...I quit for me and I am an addict.
Now I quit with you! and KK is right I will buy all nite because he is sending me his company credit card and we will get some lap dances thanks KK
not to sound too much like a dick but i was in insurance for awhile...it's really only 5 days...thats why my brother couldn't stay quit afterwards...5 days quit, took the test, took a dip right after...trying to talk him into the quit, but can't wait around on him forever.
Boy I sure could use a beer right about now!

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 09:42:00 AM »
I hear ya DJ...I did the same some time back...my ins guy did the same thing showed me the rates of tobacco users vs non users...it was almost double for me and I assume the same for you judging on your grad year I was 85 in Cortez CO. But he told me 50 days...dick I went 20 more than I needed too JK...

Well now I am doing it different its not for this and for that the pope the lunar cycle menstral cycle what have you its for me...I quit for me and I am an addict.
Now I quit with you! and KK is right I will buy all nite because he is sending me his company credit card and we will get some lap dances thanks KK
Complacency sucks, one moment of it is the difference between being a user and a quitter....OIB

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2013, 03:51:00 AM »
I read the story, and im not proud to say but 13 years ago i did just that. i KNEW THE RULES, quit for 30 days and came up clean and got life insurance.
It feels really good knowing im on DAY 8 of my quit and i have taking a step that may allow me to out live that policy. Im glad im QUIT with you today.
About the lying, none are any worse than the ones we tell ourselves. Stay true to ourselves and the rest will fall into place. Thanks for the read

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2013, 01:30:00 AM »
Desk I wish I had your ability to articulate my feelings so well. that was bad ass, and now I am trying to go to sleep with full quit wood. send Traumagnet a PM he is headed to Colorado and im sure he will buy the drinks all night.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 01:14:00 AM »
I read much more than I post here. One thing I read recently was a suggestion to use our intro threads to post updates and histories and other things so we can go back and read through our quit journey at some future date. And, of course, maybe others will be inspired to quit or keep quitting from reading anything that any of us write in any thread - our own or others'.

With that in mind, I present this:

As I've mentioned before, I have a wife and young kids. I also have a neighbor who sells life insurance and thought it would be a good idea to find out what it costs and get some coverage in case I got hit by a bus...but in the back of my mind it was for not if by when I die of cancer. Of course I didn't tell him that.

We met at a local coffee shop three or four months ago and he talked about my options - from just enough to cover death expenses all the way through paying off the house and paying for two kids to go to college 13 years from now and making it so my wife would never have to go back to work (she is a stay-at-home Mom, I'm proud to say).

He explained that no matter how much or how little coverage I wanted, the health insurance people would do a blood test, urine test, height, weight, blood pressure, and maybe a couple of other things and from that they would get an idea of how long I'd live and set up my rates accordingly. He said they would come to my home or office and take all that from wherever I was and then go analyze it in their lab.

I sat there, nodding and taking notes and drinking coffee with my friend (and he really is a friend) with a dip of Skoal on one side of my mouth or the other where I figured no one could see it. I could drink coffee easily with a dip in my mouth. Beer, too. I never ate while dipping but I'd drink water, Diet Coke, whatever, and not spit out my dip. I had gone from "how do I keep all this loose powder from floating around in my mouth" as a teenager to having complete control of a tiny pinch in my mouth and being able to separate it from liquid I'd drink while dipping. What a loser I was.

In my last few (probably ten) years of dipping, I rarely spit but I never knowingly swallowed, either. I think my mouth just got so dry that I didn't have to do either. I'm sure some went down my throat but that's a lot different than knowingly swallowing some spit when you're about to get busted by a high school teacher. Damn, that goes back a LONG time.

Both my neighbor/friend/insurance salesman and I were class of '86 in high school. We didn't know each other then and lived in different parts of the country, but sharing the same time can bring people together just as sharing the same space can. He and I have a lot in common and I respect him.

But then I started lying to him. Repeatedly.

Being a typical salesman, he wanted to close the deal. Make a sale. Get a commission from my monthly life insurance premiums. I understand all that and don't resent it. Why wouldn't I help a friend out as long as I was going to buy life insurance for my family anyway, rather than do business with a stranger?

But I knew I'd be busted for tobacco use if I ever let anyone take a blood sample.

So I made up excuses. "I'm shopping around", "We're not ready", "it's too expensive", and so on.

This past Saturday afternoon, I was driving up the hill to my house and drove past his house as always. He was mowing the lawn. Without even thinking about it, I realized it was time to make things right and pulled my car over and got out.

I spilled the whole story, as I've just told you guys, and apologized for lying to him.

He said he knew I dipped all along, from the bulge in my cheek and the smell of mint whenever I was around. This is a guy who hosts poker nights and Super Bowl parties and New Years' Day brunches. My wife and kids and I have been in his house dozens of times and he has gotten to know me pretty well over the years. He's no fool, and he's deals with guys like me on tobacco or other drugs (I live in Colorado - need I say more?) who make excuses for a month or more while they detox to come up clean on the blood and urine tests.

Being honest with him was important to me and I'm starting to feel a little less like a fool myself every day. I think this was a good and healthy part of quitting for me.

And if anyone's thinking I've quit only for a month so I can get life insurance, you are wrong. My quit is strong and so am I. You guys are helping with that and I thank you all. I'm learning not to be scared of the pain of quitting and not to be scared of being honest and asking for forgiveness. I'm learning how to stand up like a man instead of hiding (and thinking I'm getting away with it) like a scared little boy.

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Re: My first post. On Day 17, I went to the dentist.
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2013, 09:11:00 PM »
Thanks per034. I really appreciate you taking the time to put my mind a little more at ease. I'm almost 45 years old and numbness in the arms isn't what middle-aged desk jockeys want to feel with regards to heart health. I've been to the doctor recently enough to feel relatively healthy but the numbness isn't fun. It comes and goes but has been better today.