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Re: Never going back
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2016, 03:19:00 AM »
Golfed 18 while my bro puffed on black n milds no issues it actually just smelled good. Just got back from Thrice and completed my 6th day. I'll be a full week quit tomorrow. Everyone's support is much appreciated.

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2016, 11:35:00 AM »
Keep it going, you're doing great! Lots of good advice, and see all the support you're building? These are some all-star quitters gathering in your corner!

re your mouth issue- i had a terrible sloughing off of the skin in my mouth, and numbness, and buzzing feeling in my tongue for a long time, and some strange twitches in the tongue too. So much weird stuff happens. But when you learn about all the chemicals in chew, it makes sense that there's gonna be some strange withdrawal reactions- it's not just nicotine you're kicking, it's a whole toxic soup of unregulated additives to heighten the experience of addiction and likely also economize production.

Keep quitting strong!
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Re: Never going back
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2016, 11:20:00 AM »
also - NOFX is tight. The Decline is still one of my favorite compositions, even though Im much more of a Jamband guy today

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2016, 11:20:00 AM »
welcome TB. i'm 32 myself. had been 17 years of skoal straight. I'm 206 days quit now. It WILL get better, I can promise you that. But no joke, this is definitely the hardest thing I've ever done. Even more so than running a marathon, which also sort of sucked bad.

I commend you for going no grains and sugars - they are a deadly concoction. albeit a very slow and nowhere near a fraction of severity as chew is deadly. like Sooverit said, do not try to go overboard with whirlwind of life changes at once. I gained 10 lbs. I lost 10 lbs. I'm still losing weight, trying to get back to where I was when I used to run.

I had used chewing as an excuse for the last couple years... "If I quit, I'll get Fat(ter). every excuse in the book. we all used them to justify, but the smart ones of us eventually come to terms. It's time to be done.

welcome to the club. quit with you today

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2016, 10:58:00 AM »
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Day 5 sounds so much better than days 1, 2, 3, and 4. I don't know what it is about 5 but it feels fucking great however my anxiety has been borderline out of control at times. I don't feel body aches, I don't feel like I'm coding out or anything but I feel like my brain locks up and I'm never going to be successful, I go deep down the rabbit hole only to to come out of it in a daze.

I'm a 32 year old business owner of 6 years with 11 month old twins living in a place that's too expensive on a single income as my wife stays home with the kids in expensive ass Yorba Linda, CA. The anxiety passes and I'm able to think clearly again. So far the thought of dip makes me sick but it's interesting to feel just how gnarly the addiction is. Along with quitting dip I'm not eating grains or sugar. Probably not the best idea but I need a change. I've let self-discipline go by the wayside and I need it back like I had it when I was a single college student getting A's, training hard, and hunting pussy on the weekends.

I'm not drinking until 10/22 when I go to see NOFX and Bad Religion in San Diego with my wife. I also completely came clean to my wife about ninja dipping a tin+ a day since before we met in 2009. She knew I would dip sometimes but not the extent. I've told everyone, even clients, that in itself is a major weight lifted. It's awesome to not lie anymore. It's also awesome not driving to 3 different places because the other two didn't have my flavor. I will not quit on myself ever again. I am quit forever.
Congrats on quitting, my friend! You've come to the right place, KTC is full of awesome people who only want to see you succeed! You HAVE got this!

I'm only on day 116, still fighting the fight, though it is easier now. I can relate to many things you said. I run the family biz with my pops and also live in way-too-expensive SoCal. And we have 3 littles. So I KNOW your stress. :) That was always my biggest trigger, so just know that nic's bullshit is coming... she's gonna tell you "you deserve it" so many times. Just be ready to physically distract yourself any way you can: go on a walk, pushups, run in a circle screaming... whatever you can do. (The guys here will tell you to slam your nuts in a drawer, though I can't attest to that working or not as I don't have a pair haha.) I've found daily HARD gym sessions to be extremely helpful for me, to relieve stress. I also took natural L-theanine, 100mg morning and night. (I found that the NOW brand is most effective for me.) Whatever you do, don't cave. The knowledgeable folks here will tell you that "problem (stress, sadness, etc) + nic = 2 problems." That's the damn truth.

You also sound like you're very hard on yourself, very self-disciplined. I completely relate here, the lack of self-discipline I felt made me so angry. BUT I do warn you against trying to conquer Rome in a day. (I try to do this often myself... never works.) Quitting dip might be the hardest thing you've ever done (it was for me, and for many of us). So I recommend focusing on quitting only, for now. Put the rest off till later, when you're more concrete in your quit. Many of us here gained 10lbs over the first few months. That KILLED me, but you literally start going insane during the worst craves, and munching on things helps. Losing weight down the road is a good thing, losing your jaw to oral cancer is not. This is an excellent time to "pick your battle", in my opinion. Plus, cutting grains can lesson your fiber intake, and fiber is dearly needed, especially early in the quit when GI functions go crazy.

You're doing a great job, checking in here every day! That, posting roll EDD, giving your number to EVERYONE, and getting to know your fellow quitters will help your quit tremendously. Keep up the great work, proud to be quit with you!! Check your inbox too!

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2016, 10:18:00 AM »
I just remembered something that happened yesterday. I lost control of my tongue for about 1 minute, I could only talk with a lisp and it felt like my tongue was curling into a ball like a leg cramp in the middle of the night then it just released. Has anyone experienced this?

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2016, 09:59:00 AM »
Thanks for the support. Today is a big day. I'm out with friends all day. Playing 18 this afternoon then going to Thrice tonight. Today would be a close to 2 tin day, not gonna happen and I'm stoked to experience all the shit I miss out while spitting my money away. I know it's one day at a time but I'm fired up to get to post roll tomorrow for day 7.

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2016, 09:14:00 AM »
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Day 5 sounds so much better than days 1, 2, 3, and 4. I don't know what it is about 5 but it feels fucking great however my anxiety has been borderline out of control at times. I don't feel body aches, I don't feel like I'm coding out or anything but I feel like my brain locks up and I'm never going to be successful, I go deep down the rabbit hole only to to come out of it in a daze.

I'm a 32 year old business owner of 6 years with 11 month old twins living in a place that's too expensive on a single income as my wife stays home with the kids in expensive ass Yorba Linda, CA. The anxiety passes and I'm able to think clearly again. So far the thought of dip makes me sick but it's interesting to feel just how gnarly the addiction is. Along with quitting dip I'm not eating grains or sugar. Probably not the best idea but I need a change. I've let self-discipline go by the wayside and I need it back like I had it when I was a single college student getting A's, training hard, and hunting pussy on the weekends.

I'm not drinking until 10/22 when I go to see NOFX and Bad Religion in San Diego with my wife. I also completely came clean to my wife about ninja dipping a tin+ a day since before we met in 2009. She knew I would dip sometimes but not the extent. I've told everyone, even clients, that in itself is a major weight lifted. It's awesome to not lie anymore. It's also awesome not driving to 3 different places because the other two didn't have my flavor. I will not quit on myself ever again. I am quit forever.
Don't worry about quitting forever, learn to quit one day at a time. As far as anxiety it sounds more like fog to me. Maybe you will be one of the few who don't get anger issues but chances are you will, so be prepared and walk away from your family and friends. Come on here, bitch, grip whatever we can take but the family don't deserve it! Doing great, right attitude, all positives for making it here. Quit on
freeTB - I'm not too far ahead of you (I'm on day 21), so don't take me to be offering sage advice. I'm also unclear on whether you're experiencing anxiety or fog (or both!). What I can tell you is that I had mega anxiety early on. I did actually feel like I was coding a few times (I had my wife and little girls drag me to urgent care). Shaky, jitters, tachycardia, sweats, a general WTF-is-happening-to-me feeling, etc. Anxiety, but not directed toward anything in particular. This scared the hell out of me, because I've never been anxious a day in my life.

Then I found KTC and did some reading about nic withdrawal and realized *why* i was anxious. Once I dug around and began to understand more about anxiety, something clicked in my brain. When I felt it coming on, I could focus, tell myself its the nic, that I'm not about to die, etc., and could keep it at bay. The thing about anxiety is that it gets perpetuated and intensifies because of the unknown about what you're experiencing. Once you begin to understand what you are experiencing and why, you can in a very real sense *control* your anxiety.

At any rate, I don't know if that will help you, but it might. I'm a few weeks into my quit and I don't remember the last time I had anxiety. This too shall pass. And even if you feel like complete shit, just get through the rest of the day. Anybody can do that. Then, tomorrow, wake up and do it again. It's not easy, but it's simple.
Awesome intro. Your story is so much like most of us here, but what really hit home for me was your last statement about coming clean. I did the same thing and told my wife, family, and friends. I also needed to chalk up a couple of weeks of quit and show this site to my wife because I needed some hard evidence that I was actually doing this for real - I tried, failed, and lied so many times before. But the reason I told everyone was for the accountability. The bigger the shame, the harder it would be to fail again. Also, having that many more people in your corner supporting you can really fuel your quit. So, my advice - keep fueling that quit. Post roll, continue getting involved, build some bonds here, and make that castle of quit impenetrable.
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Re: Never going back
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2016, 01:27:00 AM »
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Day 5 sounds so much better than days 1, 2, 3, and 4. I don't know what it is about 5 but it feels fucking great however my anxiety has been borderline out of control at times. I don't feel body aches, I don't feel like I'm coding out or anything but I feel like my brain locks up and I'm never going to be successful, I go deep down the rabbit hole only to to come out of it in a daze.

I'm a 32 year old business owner of 6 years with 11 month old twins living in a place that's too expensive on a single income as my wife stays home with the kids in expensive ass Yorba Linda, CA. The anxiety passes and I'm able to think clearly again. So far the thought of dip makes me sick but it's interesting to feel just how gnarly the addiction is. Along with quitting dip I'm not eating grains or sugar. Probably not the best idea but I need a change. I've let self-discipline go by the wayside and I need it back like I had it when I was a single college student getting A's, training hard, and hunting pussy on the weekends.

I'm not drinking until 10/22 when I go to see NOFX and Bad Religion in San Diego with my wife. I also completely came clean to my wife about ninja dipping a tin+ a day since before we met in 2009. She knew I would dip sometimes but not the extent. I've told everyone, even clients, that in itself is a major weight lifted. It's awesome to not lie anymore. It's also awesome not driving to 3 different places because the other two didn't have my flavor. I will not quit on myself ever again. I am quit forever.
Don't worry about quitting forever, learn to quit one day at a time. As far as anxiety it sounds more like fog to me. Maybe you will be one of the few who don't get anger issues but chances are you will, so be prepared and walk away from your family and friends. Come on here, bitch, grip whatever we can take but the family don't deserve it! Doing great, right attitude, all positives for making it here. Quit on
freeTB - I'm not too far ahead of you (I'm on day 21), so don't take me to be offering sage advice. I'm also unclear on whether you're experiencing anxiety or fog (or both!). What I can tell you is that I had mega anxiety early on. I did actually feel like I was coding a few times (I had my wife and little girls drag me to urgent care). Shaky, jitters, tachycardia, sweats, a general WTF-is-happening-to-me feeling, etc. Anxiety, but not directed toward anything in particular. This scared the hell out of me, because I've never been anxious a day in my life.

Then I found KTC and did some reading about nic withdrawal and realized *why* i was anxious. Once I dug around and began to understand more about anxiety, something clicked in my brain. When I felt it coming on, I could focus, tell myself its the nic, that I'm not about to die, etc., and could keep it at bay. The thing about anxiety is that it gets perpetuated and intensifies because of the unknown about what you're experiencing. Once you begin to understand what you are experiencing and why, you can in a very real sense *control* your anxiety.

At any rate, I don't know if that will help you, but it might. I'm a few weeks into my quit and I don't remember the last time I had anxiety. This too shall pass. And even if you feel like complete shit, just get through the rest of the day. Anybody can do that. Then, tomorrow, wake up and do it again. It's not easy, but it's simple.

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2016, 09:51:00 PM »
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Day 5 sounds so much better than days 1, 2, 3, and 4. I don't know what it is about 5 but it feels fucking great however my anxiety has been borderline out of control at times. I don't feel body aches, I don't feel like I'm coding out or anything but I feel like my brain locks up and I'm never going to be successful, I go deep down the rabbit hole only to to come out of it in a daze.

I'm a 32 year old business owner of 6 years with 11 month old twins living in a place that's too expensive on a single income as my wife stays home with the kids in expensive ass Yorba Linda, CA. The anxiety passes and I'm able to think clearly again. So far the thought of dip makes me sick but it's interesting to feel just how gnarly the addiction is. Along with quitting dip I'm not eating grains or sugar. Probably not the best idea but I need a change. I've let self-discipline go by the wayside and I need it back like I had it when I was a single college student getting A's, training hard, and hunting pussy on the weekends.

I'm not drinking until 10/22 when I go to see NOFX and Bad Religion in San Diego with my wife. I also completely came clean to my wife about ninja dipping a tin+ a day since before we met in 2009. She knew I would dip sometimes but not the extent. I've told everyone, even clients, that in itself is a major weight lifted. It's awesome to not lie anymore. It's also awesome not driving to 3 different places because the other two didn't have my flavor. I will not quit on myself ever again. I am quit forever.
Don't worry about quitting forever, learn to quit one day at a time. As far as anxiety it sounds more like fog to me. Maybe you will be one of the few who don't get anger issues but chances are you will, so be prepared and walk away from your family and friends. Come on here, bitch, grip whatever we can take but the family don't deserve it! Doing great, right attitude, all positives for making it here. Quit on
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2016, 09:10:00 PM »
Day 5 sounds so much better than days 1, 2, 3, and 4. I don't know what it is about 5 but it feels fucking great however my anxiety has been borderline out of control at times. I don't feel body aches, I don't feel like I'm coding out or anything but I feel like my brain locks up and I'm never going to be successful, I go deep down the rabbit hole only to to come out of it in a daze.

I'm a 32 year old business owner of 6 years with 11 month old twins living in a place that's too expensive on a single income as my wife stays home with the kids in expensive ass Yorba Linda, CA. The anxiety passes and I'm able to think clearly again. So far the thought of dip makes me sick but it's interesting to feel just how gnarly the addiction is. Along with quitting dip I'm not eating grains or sugar. Probably not the best idea but I need a change. I've let self-discipline go by the wayside and I need it back like I had it when I was a single college student getting A's, training hard, and hunting pussy on the weekends.

I'm not drinking until 10/22 when I go to see NOFX and Bad Religion in San Diego with my wife. I also completely came clean to my wife about ninja dipping a tin+ a day since before we met in 2009. She knew I would dip sometimes but not the extent. I've told everyone, even clients, that in itself is a major weight lifted. It's awesome to not lie anymore. It's also awesome not driving to 3 different places because the other two didn't have my flavor. I will not quit on myself ever again. I am quit forever.

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2016, 03:20:00 PM »
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How about today, how you doing? Every uncomfortable moment you make it through is one more piece of rewiring successfully completed- you are showing the addiction that the circuitry doesn't work that way anymore- that particular discomfort it throws your way will not lead you to taking in nicotine anymore. Beat it once, and that one's over! keep it up! keep checking in, you'll have a great victory log in the making!
Going strong, played 18 yesterday and would normally go through a tin but had no issue. Today's anxiety has been on and off, tough at times but I'm not giving in it's not worth it. I'm almost through 4 full days and don't want to lose the ground I've gained. I'm not going back.

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2016, 10:37:00 AM »
How about today, how you doing? Every uncomfortable moment you make it through is one more piece of rewiring successfully completed- you are showing the addiction that the circuitry doesn't work that way anymore- that particular discomfort it throws your way will not lead you to taking in nicotine anymore. Beat it once, and that one's over! keep it up! keep checking in, you'll have a great victory log in the making!
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Re: Never going back
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 02:23:00 PM »
Thanks for the support everyone. I'm going strong, finding empty tins in weird places. The thought of throwing a pinch makes me nauseous to be honest. I know that will change and I'll be wanting one again. Today my brain is foggy, critical thinking is a joke right now, I'm also super anxious today. Not caving, ever.

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Re: Never going back
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 12:39:00 PM »
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What an introduction. Welcome.

Quitting is hard work. Caving is easy. Choose the hard work. Refuse to give in.

We've all done it, so there's proof it can be done. Trust me, there's nothing special about us. There's no magic or luck to it. Just refuse to cave.

The freedom is worth it.

Proud to quit with you.
^^^ agree 100%!
You have a good start, the right perspective. I don't know how many cans i pitched out the window too-- and thought i was the only idiot ever to have to do that over and over. Crazy thing is, somebody here has done everything you have -- even dumpster diving after the crumbs in a can you threw out earlier. Common actually. You can really make it this time. Keep the determination. That IS what it takes. My best tips:

- Keep logging your experiences here in the intros- it gives you a record to look at later to see what you don't want to repeat any more, it gives you a sense of accomplishment, and it helps other quitters see that they aren't alone.

- Learn all you can about the addiction, from the resources here, from reading other quitters' intros, and from outside sources. Learning how it works makes it more predictable what the addiction throws at you, and also motivates you because you learn to HATE, even more, that this is allowed to happen to us all and not be criminal.

- Build a network of other quitters, in your quit-group and others, for accountability and support. This has made all the difference for me. One of the brain circuits that the addiction hijacks is one that encourages us to build friendships- the tobacco becomes our little friend- so building a network is a little foreign for many of us.


Go get it today, Quit HARD for this day. I'm going to do that too.
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