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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #164 on: July 06, 2020, 12:34:43 PM »
: Hi all I am about 90+ days of tobacco free after chewing for 15 years.  Over the last 3 months I have made a trip to the ER also saw a family doctor and also been the urgent care with the same issue I am having a loud beating heart fluttering feels like I'm having a heart attack and it's terrible.  I've had three EKGs and they became perfectly fine my blood pressure is perfect and my blood work was perfect.  I'm a healthy in shape human being and still have constant chest palpitations or feel like I do.  can you guys please help me out I'm really struggling these last couple days and have not slept in the last 24 hours

07-05 14:27Cimms119: My anxiety was so bad that my left arm was getting numb and it felt like I wasn't able to breath.

07-05 14:27Cimms119: Doc put me on BusPar which it seems to help but I can't sleep whatsover.  I've read a bunch of info on this site of the last few days and it may be what I am experiencing
@Cimms119  I am not a doctor (glad you have sought out medical advice). But what you are describing sounds to me like a textbook case of panic attacks and severe anxiety.  It is VERY common to have heightened levels of anxiety, often for some time, after quitting.  I certainly had to manage them for a while.  This will pass in time.

I took myself to the ER twice during my quit cause I thought I was having a heart attack.  I remember it very vividly.  I was laying on the floor watching TV and my chest was on fire from reflux.  In addition, my left arm/hand was numb (which as you know is a classic symptom of a heart attack).  Naturally, at this point I started to freak out and took my pulse, which at this point was through the roof as well cause I was stressing out.  Took myself to the ER, got an EKG and everything checked out perfectly.  They gave me some stuff to get the reflux attack under control and sent me home.  Turned out it was "just" anxiety do to my quit.
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In the beginning, my anxiety was horrible.  Made me come to the conclusion that I had been using tobacco as my own form of Prozac.  My doctor gave me a script for Wellbutrin for about 8 weeks and it was like a miracle taking away almost all of the anxiety (with no side effects).  I know all drugs don't work the same for everybody, but it may be worth a shot.
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #163 on: July 06, 2020, 11:48:39 AM »
: Hi all I am about 90+ days of tobacco free after chewing for 15 years.  Over the last 3 months I have made a trip to the ER also saw a family doctor and also been the urgent care with the same issue I am having a loud beating heart fluttering feels like I'm having a heart attack and it's terrible.  I've had three EKGs and they became perfectly fine my blood pressure is perfect and my blood work was perfect.  I'm a healthy in shape human being and still have constant chest palpitations or feel like I do.  can you guys please help me out I'm really struggling these last couple days and have not slept in the last 24 hours

07-05 14:27Cimms119: My anxiety was so bad that my left arm was getting numb and it felt like I wasn't able to breath.

07-05 14:27Cimms119: Doc put me on BusPar which it seems to help but I can't sleep whatsover.  I've read a bunch of info on this site of the last few days and it may be what I am experiencing
@Cimms119  I am not a doctor (glad you have sought out medical advice). But what you are describing sounds to me like a textbook case of panic attacks and severe anxiety.  It is VERY common to have heightened levels of anxiety, often for some time, after quitting.  I certainly had to manage them for a while.  This will pass in time.

I took myself to the ER twice during my quit cause I thought I was having a heart attack.  I remember it very vividly.  I was laying on the floor watching TV and my chest was on fire from reflux.  In addition, my left arm/hand was numb (which as you know is a classic symptom of a heart attack).  Naturally, at this point I started to freak out and took my pulse, which at this point was through the roof as well cause I was stressing out.  Took myself to the ER, got an EKG and everything checked out perfectly.  They gave me some stuff to get the reflux attack under control and sent me home.  Turned out it was "just" anxiety do to my quit. 
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #162 on: July 05, 2020, 09:37:27 PM »
: Hi all I am about 90+ days of tobacco free after chewing for 15 years.  Over the last 3 months I have made a trip to the ER also saw a family doctor and also been the urgent care with the same issue I am having a loud beating heart fluttering feels like I'm having a heart attack and it's terrible.  I've had three EKGs and they became perfectly fine my blood pressure is perfect and my blood work was perfect.  I'm a healthy in shape human being and still have constant chest palpitations or feel like I do.  can you guys please help me out I'm really struggling these last couple days and have not slept in the last 24 hours

07-05 14:27Cimms119: My anxiety was so bad that my left arm was getting numb and it felt like I wasn't able to breath.

07-05 14:27Cimms119: Doc put me on BusPar which it seems to help but I can't sleep whatsover.  I've read a bunch of info on this site of the last few days and it may be what I am experiencing
@Cimms119  I am not a doctor (glad you have sought out medical advice). But what you are describing sounds to me like a textbook case of panic attacks and severe anxiety.  It is VERY common to have heightened levels of anxiety, often for some time, after quitting.  I certainly had to manage them for a while.  This will pass in time. 
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #161 on: July 05, 2020, 09:30:19 PM »
Guys....it's day 3 for me. Let me begin with this. I had a pretty severe panic attack last night. Well, it was severe for me. I've only had 2 in my life. Last night and when this whole COVID-19 stuff started. I went to the doc to just get checked out. EKG, vitals, etc were all great. They told me what I already figured, it was a anxiety attack. What I didn't realize was it was exacerbated by nicotine withdrawal. I was prescribed some "as needed" meds for the the anxiety, but they also gave me a prescription for nicotine gum. What I wanted to ask is if you all had any experience with nicotine gum. I haven't gone down that road, but just asking.

A year ago I tried to quit using the gum and they are a joke. I’d have to chew a box of them to feel any relief. A different time I tried to quit I used the patches. That was worse. They gave me nightmares and made my skin crawl. So far this time cold turkey has been much more successful and I’ve made it past the 4th day mark which is farther than I ever have before. I’ve had cravings and headache and hulk smash feeling for days but feel much better now. Anxiety attacks suck but it’s just that anxiety.  Gotta find your chill place and relax before it gets to your head. IMHO no to the nicotine replacements it just drags is out longer and can in my experience hook you even harder. Your best bet I’ve found is some “high quality h2o”! Good luck bud stay strong. ODAAT
Hey Ronnie... I was on the patch for a while and the night I came off it I had a panic attack so severe it lasted most of the night.  So replacing one form of nicotine for another doesn't work.  Eventually you will have to face it dead on.  That is what kept me going that awful night. 
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #160 on: July 05, 2020, 07:21:34 PM »
Guys....it's day 3 for me. Let me begin with this. I had a pretty severe panic attack last night. Well, it was severe for me. I've only had 2 in my life. Last night and when this whole COVID-19 stuff started. I went to the doc to just get checked out. EKG, vitals, etc were all great. They told me what I already figured, it was a anxiety attack. What I didn't realize was it was exacerbated by nicotine withdrawal. I was prescribed some "as needed" meds for the the anxiety, but they also gave me a prescription for nicotine gum. What I wanted to ask is if you all had any experience with nicotine gum. I haven't gone down that road, but just asking.

A year ago I tried to quit using the gum and they are a joke. I’d have to chew a box of them to feel any relief. A different time I tried to quit I used the patches. That was worse. They gave me nightmares and made my skin crawl. So far this time cold turkey has been much more successful and I’ve made it past the 4th day mark which is farther than I ever have before. I’ve had cravings and headache and hulk smash feeling for days but feel much better now. Anxiety attacks suck but it’s just that anxiety.  Gotta find your chill place and relax before it gets to your head. IMHO no to the nicotine replacements it just drags is out longer and can in my experience hook you even harder. Your best bet I’ve found is some “high quality h2o”! Good luck bud stay strong. ODAAT

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #159 on: July 05, 2020, 02:46:33 PM »
: Hi all I am about 90+ days of tobacco free after chewing for 15 years.  Over the last 3 months I have made a trip to the ER also saw a family doctor and also been the urgent care with the same issue I am having a loud beating heart fluttering feels like I'm having a heart attack and it's terrible.  I've had three EKGs and they became perfectly fine my blood pressure is perfect and my blood work was perfect.  I'm a healthy in shape human being and still have constant chest palpitations or feel like I do.  can you guys please help me out I'm really struggling these last couple days and have not slept in the last 24 hours

07-05 14:27Cimms119: My anxiety was so bad that my left arm was getting numb and it felt like I wasn't able to breath.

07-05 14:27Cimms119: Doc put me on BusPar which it seems to help but I can't sleep whatsover.  I've read a bunch of info on this site of the last few days and it may be what I am experiencing

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #158 on: July 04, 2020, 10:03:47 AM »
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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #157 on: July 04, 2020, 09:28:06 AM »
First timer here. Just joined this page. I spent  three days in the hospital and two more trips to ER 34 days ago. Thought I was having a heart attack. Haven’t had a dip since, 27 years and two months on that worm dirt. Had my first anxiety attack and dealing with it everyday. Constant chest pains and feeling down my arms. Currently been on multiple pills trying to find the right ones that work. Currently using smoking mountain herbal for the feeling in my mouth. Very great page for information.
Welcome @JReed101. You've come to the right place if you're serious about the quit. I too quit dipping because of medical issues (acute diverticulitis). The anxiety is no joke for some of us, myself included. If you havent already, head on over to the quit groups and find your group (October pre-hof I think). Give an introduction and talk with your new ill, and occasionally pissed-off, like-minded friends. Learn how to post roll from them, show up everyday, and quit that nasty shit for good.

@JReed101 glad you found this place and joined.  Anxiety is very common especially early on.  I am 727 days quit right now and the anxiety was one of the toughest things to deal with.  I have leveled out probably somewhere around a year quit.  If you have been quit since you were in the hospital then you would be part of the September Quit Group.  The groups are based on when you will hit "Hall of Fame" which is 100 days nicotine free.  You would be in a group with other people that quit around the same time as you and will be going through many of the same things.  Head over to the September Slayers and post your day count on roll.  That's how we do it here, Post your promise first thing each day, keep your promise, then wake up the next day and do it again.  It's amazing how simple that is, yet it makes a huge difference for people to stay quit.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #156 on: July 03, 2020, 07:48:04 PM »
First timer here. Just joined this page. I spent  three days in the hospital and two more trips to ER 34 days ago. Thought I was having a heart attack. Haven’t had a dip since, 27 years and two months on that worm dirt. Had my first anxiety attack and dealing with it everyday. Constant chest pains and feeling down my arms. Currently been on multiple pills trying to find the right ones that work. Currently using smoking mountain herbal for the feeling in my mouth. Very great page for information.
Welcome @JReed101. You've come to the right place if you're serious about the quit. I too quit dipping because of medical issues (acute diverticulitis). The anxiety is no joke for some of us, myself included. If you havent already, head on over to the quit groups and find your group (October pre-hof I think). Give an introduction and talk with your new ill, and occasionally pissed-off, like-minded friends. Learn how to post roll from them, show up everyday, and quit that nasty shit for good.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #155 on: July 03, 2020, 06:57:28 PM »
First timer here. Just joined this page. I spent  three days in the hospital and two more trips to ER 34 days ago. Thought I was having a heart attack. Haven’t had a dip since, 27 years and two months on that worm dirt. Had my first anxiety attack and dealing with it everyday. Constant chest pains and feeling down my arms. Currently been on multiple pills trying to find the right ones that work. Currently using smoking mountain herbal for the feeling in my mouth. Very great page for information.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #154 on: July 03, 2020, 12:19:47 PM »
Guys....it's day 3 for me. Let me begin with this. I had a pretty severe panic attack last night. Well, it was severe for me. I've only had 2 in my life. Last night and when this whole COVID-19 stuff started. I went to the doc to just get checked out. EKG, vitals, etc were all great. They told me what I already figured, it was a anxiety attack. What I didn't realize was it was exacerbated by nicotine withdrawal. I was prescribed some "as needed" meds for the the anxiety, but they also gave me a prescription for nicotine gum. What I wanted to ask is if you all had any experience with nicotine gum. I haven't gone down that road, but just asking.
@RonnieAdams I would trash the gum man, thats not really allowed here. As far as the anxiety goes, I'm in the same boat you are.  First panic attack ever was in February at the start of my quit. I've had several since then, most recently 3 nights ago. I'll wake up from a dead sleep at 3 or 4am, or I might just be talking with a group of guys from work and the anxiety starts to build for no apparent reason.  This is the most difficult part of my quit right now. I keep those "as needed" pills close most of the time. I was embarrassed to take them at first, you know, cause I'm a grown ass man and can handle anything. I eventually realized that my Copenhagen served the same fucking purpose as those pills for the last 20+ years, it just looked tougher in my mouth. I need them less now than I did in the beginning, hopefully that trend will continue until I can leave them at home in the medicine cabinet. So, my advice (if you want it), swallow the pills when you need them, trash the fuckin gum, and do whatever you have to to stay quit.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #153 on: July 01, 2020, 12:33:52 PM »
Guys....it's day 3 for me. Let me begin with this. I had a pretty severe panic attack last night. Well, it was severe for me. I've only had 2 in my life. Last night and when this whole COVID-19 stuff started. I went to the doc to just get checked out. EKG, vitals, etc were all great. They told me what I already figured, it was a anxiety attack. What I didn't realize was it was exacerbated by nicotine withdrawal. I was prescribed some "as needed" meds for the the anxiety, but they also gave me a prescription for nicotine gum. What I wanted to ask is if you all had any experience with nicotine gum. I haven't gone down that road, but just asking.
@RonnieAdams KTC is a NO NICOTINE site. Cold turkey is the only way to quit (here or otherwise IMO). Using nicotine products like gum only draws out the withdrawal process and is simply replacing same for same. You are addicted to nicotine. Using nicotine gum is just continuing to feed your addiction.

Anxiety attacks are incredibly common when it comes to quitting. Our brains have to get used to not being poisoned with nicotine and thus will try to use whatever subconscious methods it can to feed the addiction. I would suggest trying to implement an exercise routine, meditation, yoga or other activities known to help reduce stress and manage anxiety. You can go the meds route too if that is something you have discussed with your doctor.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #152 on: July 01, 2020, 12:15:21 PM »
Guys....it's day 3 for me. Let me begin with this. I had a pretty severe panic attack last night. Well, it was severe for me. I've only had 2 in my life. Last night and when this whole COVID-19 stuff started. I went to the doc to just get checked out. EKG, vitals, etc were all great. They told me what I already figured, it was a anxiety attack. What I didn't realize was it was exacerbated by nicotine withdrawal. I was prescribed some "as needed" meds for the the anxiety, but they also gave me a prescription for nicotine gum. What I wanted to ask is if you all had any experience with nicotine gum. I haven't gone down that road, but just asking.

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« Reply #151 on: June 25, 2020, 11:18:45 AM »
Last night I had a dip dream, the first one in a long time. I was somewhere outside working, and out of habit, I put a dip in. I immediately realized what I'd done and cleared my lip, thinking to myself, "Oh hell, what have I just done? Where did this come from? Jesus, I just fucked up my quit." I felt sick, and when I woke up from that nightmare, I still felt sick, sick that I'd let myself down, sick that I'd have to tell my Renegades I'd caved, and sick that I'd be starting from scratch. I know it was a dream, but that shit was about as real as a dream can get.

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Re: General Discussion - 2020
« Reply #150 on: June 21, 2020, 11:56:59 AM »
My hardest day.
I woke up yesterday feeling great...day 199...getting ready to step off the elevator on the 2nd floor when addiction slapped me in the face.  Yesterday was my son's high school graduation party and family from western PA had come to join in the celebration.  The dippers came to celebrate also.  I welcomed my brother into my home and showed him around as it was the first visit to my new place.  We made our way outside to the yard and then I unconsciously did something that I haven't done in a very long time...tapped my pocket feeling for that old can of dip.  I felt a little dismayed because he didn't even have a dip in his mouth.  I dismissed the thought quickly chalking it up to years of learned behavior.  Fast forward to later in the evening as I watched as my brother peel a can from a fresh roll of cope and opened it to take a dip.  I yearned to feel that familiar burn in my lip...every time he spit I wanted to be spitting also.  The nicotine devil was not just knocking on the door, he was trying to break that fucker in two.  I went to my truck and retrieved my HOF coin.  A physical, metallic, hardcore solid reminder that brought me back to earth.  The promise I made to my Mofo crew this morning.  All of the brothers and sisters I text and speak with everyday.  The thought of letting them down was way more than the nic devil could dish out.
Never let your guard down.  The inner addict is always looking for a way out and strikes when we are at our weakest.  I am celebrating 200 days today because of all of you and I thank you from the heart.  I could have never done it without all of you.

Way to stick it to the nico demon stillbrewing, you continue to inspire everyone around you. You put so much work into your quit, I'm confident you'll push through many more of these experiences with your brothers at your side. Ive also had a few of these moments, i don't know many dippers in Cali, but i do know some smokers and lemme tell you that nico demon comes in all shapes and sizes, but its all the same poison. Thanks for sharing bud! PTBQWY
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