General Discussion - 2014

[jbradley]

Hey folks, need some feedback on this one.  I am working on a better template for the header and being that there are many different screen resolutions out there, I want to know where the header ends on your screen.  The LARGE letters are what I am marking this by. For example: On my screen the header ends in the first section of the c in accountability.

Thanks for your help.

PS thanks for your patience chews

Roam , mine ends just after the first A in accountability.

mine at work shows "brotherhood -"

if I do the full length of my screen I get to the 2nd of the 2 O's at the end of Brotherhood

I get up through half an "R" on brother. Safari on iPhone.

at home, almost the full r in brotherhood

[redyota]

Hey folks, need some feedback on this one.  I am working on a better template for the header and being that there are many different screen resolutions out there, I want to know where the header ends on your screen.  The LARGE letters are what I am marking this by. For example: On my screen the header ends in the first section of the c in accountability.

Thanks for your help.

PS thanks for your patience chews

Roam , mine ends just after the first A in accountability.

mine at work shows "brotherhood -"

if I do the full length of my screen I get to the 2nd of the 2 O's at the end of Brotherhood

I get up through half an "R" on brother. Safari on iPhone.

[SirDerek]

Hey folks, need some feedback on this one.  I am working on a better template for the header and being that there are many different screen resolutions out there, I want to know where the header ends on your screen.  The LARGE letters are what I am marking this by. For example: On my screen the header ends in the first section of the c in accountability.

Thanks for your help.

PS thanks for your patience chews

Roam , mine ends just after the first A in accountability.

mine at work shows "brotherhood -"

if I do the full length of my screen I get to the 2nd of the 2 O's at the end of Brotherhood

[jbradley]

Hey folks, need some feedback on this one.  I am working on a better template for the header and being that there are many different screen resolutions out there, I want to know where the header ends on your screen.  The LARGE letters are what I am marking this by. For example: On my screen the header ends in the first section of the c in accountability.

Thanks for your help.

PS thanks for your patience chews

Roam , mine ends just after the first A in accountability.

mine at work shows "brotherhood -"

[rdad]

Hey folks, need some feedback on this one. I am working on a better template for the header and being that there are many different screen resolutions out there, I want to know where the header ends on your screen. The LARGE letters are what I am marking this by. For example: On my screen the header ends in the first section of the c in accountability.

Thanks for your help.

PS thanks for your patience chews

Roam , mine ends just after the first A in accountability.

[Roamcountry]

Hey folks, need some feedback on this one. I am working on a better template for the header and being that there are many different screen resolutions out there, I want to know where the header ends on your screen. The LARGE letters are what I am marking this by. For example: On my screen the header ends in the first section of the c in accountability.

Thanks for your help.

PS thanks for your patience chews

[RickDicolus]

I'm feeling a feeling I recognize from my 280 to 350 quit period. 

Is there another, fog, hurt, funk or some dark feelings people have in the 700's? 

Not sure if I am over playing it but I feel like I am in danger.  Not for nicotine, I made my promise but emotionally.  I feel shity in the head.  I went after my son for being lazy and after, I realized I was mad because I saw me years ago.  He deserved being told to get going but I think I handled my approach poorly. 

Now I am thinking that I used him to yell at me.  Sounds weird but what bothered me is that he....is me.   Now since venting on him, I feel shity.   

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yup, had a funky period right around two years and another one right before comma time.

Was he being Lazy? Is he slacking on things he shouldn't be? Does he need a little push?

Sometimes it was easiest to see the same faults in my kids as ones I had growing up. And yes I did get on to them so they would learn to manage those faults and overcome them easier than I did.

Being a parent is not always being their best friend.

I had quit for 3 years quite some time ago and I was an asshole. I yelled all the time and I blamed it on the fact that I quit dipping. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I now have a new place to bitch and that is here. I don't plan on being an asshole but if the need arises, I will do it here and not against my family.

I'll attest for the comma funk.

I'm not in any danger at all, but I just don't feel as "proactive". I guess that this quit has become such a huge part of my life, that I feel like I should be working on it more and it's coming naturally. That makes me feel "funky" and then I get down on myself. It's a weird feeling.

This tax season has become crazy and I do hit the fake stuff now that I'm full swing. It is what it is though. I adopted a new quitter. I have my spiderweb of accountability set up. I'm not afraid of failing because I control my actions.

I'll tell you one thing though...I can't wait to post in the Hall of Legends.

Why does it have to be associated with the fact that you quit using nicotine? I'm sorry to say this, and I know it will incur retaliation from some, but not all bad things in life happen because you do, or did use nicotine and then quit.

Initially when you quit, yes there are some times in the first year or so that your body will be settling down and become uncomfortable. Especially in the very beginning. However this idea that bad emotional states are brought about by the fact that you quit using nicotine after a long term just don't seem viable to me.

Simple basic fact is nicotine is addictive. We all know that. The short term effects of the drug are obvious. Withdraws are anything from mild to very unpleasant. The body and the mind will take time to heal from this and to put to rest the rituals created by it's use. But after a while, it is over.

I think a "funk" is really just a normal part of life, and they happen. In the beginning of a quit, things can get really funky. But after a year, I think it is best to just chalk up a funk to normal life. Part of the quit ritual is that unpleasant sensations are associated to the quit. But this too can be broken.

MJ

I agree. It's my opinion that much of the shit that comes about as part of life is like you said just part of life. So what's the problem? Its my opinion that I never learned to deal with life when I used. In fact I used as a way of coping or avoiding the problems. Accepting life and learning to live by the serenity prayer. Not just the part most of us have heard:

God grant me the serenity  to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

But the whole prayer which I believe Mjollnir introduced to me some time ago. I keep the Serenity Prayer open on a tab on my phone browser ever since. I will not use nicotine to hide from my problems. At times I feel like an old dog trying to learn new tricks. Like most of us I never experienced adult life without nicotine. I don't buy into quitting nicotine being the problem but rather quitting exposed the existing problems. It's my opinion that when we learn to fully accept and deal with life we can walk away and never run the risk of caving. At this point I'm learning to meet life's challenges slowly. I still get depressed that change doesn't come fast enough or I end up falling back into the old attitudes and my addicted mind kicks in with the possibility of an old remedy.

A very good hypothesis.

The idea of a Day 700 funk is real. Very real.

This is what I do when I get near a Funk.

That fear of stagnation is what inspired me to inflict myself upon a new group of quitters. The first time in 4, four!, years I have really invested myself in any group or individual outside of May 10. Not to sound like too much of an ass, but I just didn't have it in me to give a rat's ass about anyone else. Tough to admit, but finally after x amount of time had passed I felt it was time to live up to my mantra of keeping ahead of the nic bitch by working on it everyday. Sometimes that funk can come from some sort of hypocrisy within yourself. Too bad none of are psychiatrists, we could have a field day. Instead we're just a bunch of dumb addicts, from all walks of life, just trying to sort it all out.

[chewie]

New Blog Post: Why Are You So Opposed To Nicotine-Laced Alternatives?
http://blog.killthecan.org/2014/03/why- ... ernatives/

[Nolaq]

I'm feeling a feeling I recognize from my 280 to 350 quit period. 

Is there another, fog, hurt, funk or some dark feelings people have in the 700's? 

Not sure if I am over playing it but I feel like I am in danger.  Not for nicotine, I made my promise but emotionally.  I feel shity in the head.  I went after my son for being lazy and after, I realized I was mad because I saw me years ago.  He deserved being told to get going but I think I handled my approach poorly. 

Now I am thinking that I used him to yell at me.  Sounds weird but what bothered me is that he....is me.   Now since venting on him, I feel shity.   

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yup, had a funky period right around two years and another one right before comma time.

Was he being Lazy? Is he slacking on things he shouldn't be? Does he need a little push?

Sometimes it was easiest to see the same faults in my kids as ones I had growing up. And yes I did get on to them so they would learn to manage those faults and overcome them easier than I did.

Being a parent is not always being their best friend.

I had quit for 3 years quite some time ago and I was an asshole. I yelled all the time and I blamed it on the fact that I quit dipping. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I now have a new place to bitch and that is here. I don't plan on being an asshole but if the need arises, I will do it here and not against my family.

I'll attest for the comma funk.

I'm not in any danger at all, but I just don't feel as "proactive". I guess that this quit has become such a huge part of my life, that I feel like I should be working on it more and it's coming naturally. That makes me feel "funky" and then I get down on myself. It's a weird feeling.

This tax season has become crazy and I do hit the fake stuff now that I'm full swing. It is what it is though. I adopted a new quitter. I have my spiderweb of accountability set up. I'm not afraid of failing because I control my actions.

I'll tell you one thing though...I can't wait to post in the Hall of Legends.

Why does it have to be associated with the fact that you quit using nicotine? I'm sorry to say this, and I know it will incur retaliation from some, but not all bad things in life happen because you do, or did use nicotine and then quit.

Initially when you quit, yes there are some times in the first year or so that your body will be settling down and become uncomfortable. Especially in the very beginning. However this idea that bad emotional states are brought about by the fact that you quit using nicotine after a long term just don't seem viable to me.

Simple basic fact is nicotine is addictive. We all know that. The short term effects of the drug are obvious. Withdraws are anything from mild to very unpleasant. The body and the mind will take time to heal from this and to put to rest the rituals created by it's use. But after a while, it is over.

I think a "funk" is really just a normal part of life, and they happen. In the beginning of a quit, things can get really funky. But after a year, I think it is best to just chalk up a funk to normal life. Part of the quit ritual is that unpleasant sensations are associated to the quit. But this too can be broken.

MJ

I agree. It's my opinion that much of the shit that comes about as part of life is like you said just part of life. So what's the problem? Its my opinion that I never learned to deal with life when I used. In fact I used as a way of coping or avoiding the problems. Accepting life and learning to live by the serenity prayer. Not just the part most of us have heard:

God grant me the serenity  to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

But the whole prayer which I believe Mjollnir introduced to me some time ago. I keep the Serenity Prayer open on a tab on my phone browser ever since. I will not use nicotine to hide from my problems. At times I feel like an old dog trying to learn new tricks. Like most of us I never experienced adult life without nicotine. I don't buy into quitting nicotine being the problem but rather quitting exposed the existing problems. It's my opinion that when we learn to fully accept and deal with life we can walk away and never run the risk of caving. At this point I'm learning to meet life's challenges slowly. I still get depressed that change doesn't come fast enough or I end up falling back into the old attitudes and my addicted mind kicks in with the possibility of an old remedy.

A very good hypothesis.

The idea of a Day 700 funk is real. Very real.

This is what I do when I get near a Funk.

[chewie]

Question from a new quitter: I'm on day 6 of my quit. Things are going pretty well, I'm starting to feel human again. This may sound strange, but perhaps the hardest part of this quit so far has been the sores in my mouth that are appearing. I have a canker sore in my lower gums, and about 5 smaller sores on my tongue that make eating incredibly painful. I know that sores like these are expected in quitters, but these absolutely suck. For those of you that have experienced this, how long do these hang around? Is there anything I can do to make these go away faster? Thanks guys.

Hey, just a newbie myself but have some medical education and experience with awful canker sores. See your dentist or GP (pharmacist might be able to help) and ask them for a product that coats the sores. It is like a super glue substance that is applied with some sponge applicators. It helps a lot on the large cheek ulcers, not so much on the tongue. Also, avoid spice or acidic foods and drinks for a while. Most of them take 10 to 14 days to go away, which can seem like an eternity. A lot of these are caused by a type of herpes virus and it is thought that lysine pills can help keep it in remission. You can get these at any pharmacy.
Hope that helps

I'm a big canker sore sufferer... at least in the 7+ years since I quit.

Here's a couple of articles I've put together re: canker's over the years.

http://blog.killthecan.org/2012/02/cank ... er-dipper/
http://blog.killthecan.org/2013/06/even ... ar-cancer/

chewie

[loot]

I'm feeling a feeling I recognize from my 280 to 350 quit period. 

Is there another, fog, hurt, funk or some dark feelings people have in the 700's? 

Not sure if I am over playing it but I feel like I am in danger.  Not for nicotine, I made my promise but emotionally.  I feel shity in the head.  I went after my son for being lazy and after, I realized I was mad because I saw me years ago.  He deserved being told to get going but I think I handled my approach poorly. 

Now I am thinking that I used him to yell at me.  Sounds weird but what bothered me is that he....is me.   Now since venting on him, I feel shity.   

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yup, had a funky period right around two years and another one right before comma time.

Was he being Lazy? Is he slacking on things he shouldn't be? Does he need a little push?

Sometimes it was easiest to see the same faults in my kids as ones I had growing up. And yes I did get on to them so they would learn to manage those faults and overcome them easier than I did.

Being a parent is not always being their best friend.

I had quit for 3 years quite some time ago and I was an asshole. I yelled all the time and I blamed it on the fact that I quit dipping. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I now have a new place to bitch and that is here. I don't plan on being an asshole but if the need arises, I will do it here and not against my family.

I'll attest for the comma funk.

I'm not in any danger at all, but I just don't feel as "proactive". I guess that this quit has become such a huge part of my life, that I feel like I should be working on it more and it's coming naturally. That makes me feel "funky" and then I get down on myself. It's a weird feeling.

This tax season has become crazy and I do hit the fake stuff now that I'm full swing. It is what it is though. I adopted a new quitter. I have my spiderweb of accountability set up. I'm not afraid of failing because I control my actions.

I'll tell you one thing though...I can't wait to post in the Hall of Legends.

Why does it have to be associated with the fact that you quit using nicotine? I'm sorry to say this, and I know it will incur retaliation from some, but not all bad things in life happen because you do, or did use nicotine and then quit.

Initially when you quit, yes there are some times in the first year or so that your body will be settling down and become uncomfortable. Especially in the very beginning. However this idea that bad emotional states are brought about by the fact that you quit using nicotine after a long term just don't seem viable to me.

Simple basic fact is nicotine is addictive. We all know that. The short term effects of the drug are obvious. Withdraws are anything from mild to very unpleasant. The body and the mind will take time to heal from this and to put to rest the rituals created by it's use. But after a while, it is over.

I think a "funk" is really just a normal part of life, and they happen. In the beginning of a quit, things can get really funky. But after a year, I think it is best to just chalk up a funk to normal life. Part of the quit ritual is that unpleasant sensations are associated to the quit. But this too can be broken.

MJ

I agree. It's my opinion that much of the shit that comes about as part of life is like you said just part of life. So what's the problem? Its my opinion that I never learned to deal with life when I used. In fact I used as a way of coping or avoiding the problems. Accepting life and learning to live by the serenity prayer. Not just the part most of us have heard:

God grant me the serenity  to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

But the whole prayer which I believe Mjollnir introduced to me some time ago. I keep the Serenity Prayer open on a tab on my phone browser ever since. I will not use nicotine to hide from my problems. At times I feel like an old dog trying to learn new tricks. Like most of us I never experienced adult life without nicotine. I don't buy into quitting nicotine being the problem but rather quitting exposed the existing problems. It's my opinion that when we learn to fully accept and deal with life we can walk away and never run the risk of caving. At this point I'm learning to meet life's challenges slowly. I still get depressed that change doesn't come fast enough or I end up falling back into the old attitudes and my addicted mind kicks in with the possibility of an old remedy.

A very good hypothesis.

The idea of a Day 700 funk is real. Very real.

[Doc Chewfree]

Question from a new quitter: I'm on day 6 of my quit. Things are going pretty well, I'm starting to feel human again. This may sound strange, but perhaps the hardest part of this quit so far has been the sores in my mouth that are appearing. I have a canker sore in my lower gums, and about 5 smaller sores on my tongue that make eating incredibly painful. I know that sores like these are expected in quitters, but these absolutely suck. For those of you that have experienced this, how long do these hang around? Is there anything I can do to make these go away faster? Thanks guys.

Hey, just a newbie myself but have some medical education and experience with awful canker sores. See your dentist or GP (pharmacist might be able to help) and ask them for a product that coats the sores. It is like a super glue substance that is applied with some sponge applicators. It helps a lot on the large cheek ulcers, not so much on the tongue. Also, avoid spice or acidic foods and drinks for a while. Most of them take 10 to 14 days to go away, which can seem like an eternity. A lot of these are caused by a type of herpes virus and it is thought that lysine pills can help keep it in remission. You can get these at any pharmacy.
Hope that helps

[Mjollnir]

I'm feeling a feeling I recognize from my 280 to 350 quit period. 

Is there another, fog, hurt, funk or some dark feelings people have in the 700's? 

Not sure if I am over playing it but I feel like I am in danger.  Not for nicotine, I made my promise but emotionally.  I feel shity in the head.  I went after my son for being lazy and after, I realized I was mad because I saw me years ago.  He deserved being told to get going but I think I handled my approach poorly. 

Now I am thinking that I used him to yell at me.  Sounds weird but what bothered me is that he....is me.   Now since venting on him, I feel shity.   

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yup, had a funky period right around two years and another one right before comma time.

Was he being Lazy? Is he slacking on things he shouldn't be? Does he need a little push?

Sometimes it was easiest to see the same faults in my kids as ones I had growing up. And yes I did get on to them so they would learn to manage those faults and overcome them easier than I did.

Being a parent is not always being their best friend.

I had quit for 3 years quite some time ago and I was an asshole. I yelled all the time and I blamed it on the fact that I quit dipping. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I now have a new place to bitch and that is here. I don't plan on being an asshole but if the need arises, I will do it here and not against my family.

I'll attest for the comma funk.

I'm not in any danger at all, but I just don't feel as "proactive". I guess that this quit has become such a huge part of my life, that I feel like I should be working on it more and it's coming naturally. That makes me feel "funky" and then I get down on myself. It's a weird feeling.

This tax season has become crazy and I do hit the fake stuff now that I'm full swing. It is what it is though. I adopted a new quitter. I have my spiderweb of accountability set up. I'm not afraid of failing because I control my actions.

I'll tell you one thing though...I can't wait to post in the Hall of Legends.

Why does it have to be associated with the fact that you quit using nicotine? I'm sorry to say this, and I know it will incur retaliation from some, but not all bad things in life happen because you do, or did use nicotine and then quit.

Initially when you quit, yes there are some times in the first year or so that your body will be settling down and become uncomfortable. Especially in the very beginning. However this idea that bad emotional states are brought about by the fact that you quit using nicotine after a long term just don't seem viable to me.

Simple basic fact is nicotine is addictive. We all know that. The short term effects of the drug are obvious. Withdraws are anything from mild to very unpleasant. The body and the mind will take time to heal from this and to put to rest the rituals created by it's use. But after a while, it is over.

I think a "funk" is really just a normal part of life, and they happen. In the beginning of a quit, things can get really funky. But after a year, I think it is best to just chalk up a funk to normal life. Part of the quit ritual is that unpleasant sensations are associated to the quit. But this too can be broken.

MJ

I agree. It's my opinion that much of the shit that comes about as part of life is like you said just part of life. So what's the problem? Its my opinion that I never learned to deal with life when I used. In fact I used as a way of coping or avoiding the problems. Accepting life and learning to live by the serenity prayer. Not just the part most of us have heard:

God grant me the serenity  to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

But the whole prayer which I believe Mjollnir introduced to me some time ago. I keep the Serenity Prayer open on a tab on my phone browser ever since. I will not use nicotine to hide from my problems. At times I feel like an old dog trying to learn new tricks. Like most of us I never experienced adult life without nicotine. I don't buy into quitting nicotine being the problem but rather quitting exposed the existing problems. It's my opinion that when we learn to fully accept and deal with life we can walk away and never run the risk of caving. At this point I'm learning to meet life's challenges slowly. I still get depressed that change doesn't come fast enough or I end up falling back into the old attitudes and my addicted mind kicks in with the possibility of an old remedy.

A very good hypothesis.

[Wt57]

I'm feeling a feeling I recognize from my 280 to 350 quit period. 

Is there another, fog, hurt, funk or some dark feelings people have in the 700's? 

Not sure if I am over playing it but I feel like I am in danger.  Not for nicotine, I made my promise but emotionally.  I feel shity in the head.  I went after my son for being lazy and after, I realized I was mad because I saw me years ago.  He deserved being told to get going but I think I handled my approach poorly. 

Now I am thinking that I used him to yell at me.  Sounds weird but what bothered me is that he....is me.   Now since venting on him, I feel shity.   

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yup, had a funky period right around two years and another one right before comma time.

Was he being Lazy? Is he slacking on things he shouldn't be? Does he need a little push?

Sometimes it was easiest to see the same faults in my kids as ones I had growing up. And yes I did get on to them so they would learn to manage those faults and overcome them easier than I did.

Being a parent is not always being their best friend.

I had quit for 3 years quite some time ago and I was an asshole. I yelled all the time and I blamed it on the fact that I quit dipping. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I now have a new place to bitch and that is here. I don't plan on being an asshole but if the need arises, I will do it here and not against my family.

I'll attest for the comma funk.

I'm not in any danger at all, but I just don't feel as "proactive". I guess that this quit has become such a huge part of my life, that I feel like I should be working on it more and it's coming naturally. That makes me feel "funky" and then I get down on myself. It's a weird feeling.

This tax season has become crazy and I do hit the fake stuff now that I'm full swing. It is what it is though. I adopted a new quitter. I have my spiderweb of accountability set up. I'm not afraid of failing because I control my actions.

I'll tell you one thing though...I can't wait to post in the Hall of Legends.

Why does it have to be associated with the fact that you quit using nicotine? I'm sorry to say this, and I know it will incur retaliation from some, but not all bad things in life happen because you do, or did use nicotine and then quit.

Initially when you quit, yes there are some times in the first year or so that your body will be settling down and become uncomfortable. Especially in the very beginning. However this idea that bad emotional states are brought about by the fact that you quit using nicotine after a long term just don't seem viable to me.

Simple basic fact is nicotine is addictive. We all know that. The short term effects of the drug are obvious. Withdraws are anything from mild to very unpleasant. The body and the mind will take time to heal from this and to put to rest the rituals created by it's use. But after a while, it is over.

I think a "funk" is really just a normal part of life, and they happen. In the beginning of a quit, things can get really funky. But after a year, I think it is best to just chalk up a funk to normal life. Part of the quit ritual is that unpleasant sensations are associated to the quit. But this too can be broken.

MJ

I agree. It's my opinion that much of the shit that comes about as part of life is like you said just part of life. So what's the problem? Its my opinion that I never learned to deal with life when I used. In fact I used as a way of coping or avoiding the problems. Accepting life and learning to live by the serenity prayer. Not just the part most of us have heard:

God grant me the serenity  to accept the things I cannot change; 
courage to change the things I can;
and wisdom to know the difference.

But the whole prayer which I believe Mjollnir introduced to me some time ago. I keep the Serenity Prayer open on a tab on my phone browser ever since. I will not use nicotine to hide from my problems. At times I feel like an old dog trying to learn new tricks. Like most of us I never experienced adult life without nicotine. I don't buy into quitting nicotine being the problem but rather quitting exposed the existing problems. It's my opinion that when we learn to fully accept and deal with life we can walk away and never run the risk of caving. At this point I'm learning to meet life's challenges slowly. I still get depressed that change doesn't come fast enough or I end up falling back into the old attitudes and my addicted mind kicks in with the possibility of an old remedy.

[Mjollnir]

I'm feeling a feeling I recognize from my 280 to 350 quit period. 

Is there another, fog, hurt, funk or some dark feelings people have in the 700's? 

Not sure if I am over playing it but I feel like I am in danger.  Not for nicotine, I made my promise but emotionally.  I feel shity in the head.  I went after my son for being lazy and after, I realized I was mad because I saw me years ago.  He deserved being told to get going but I think I handled my approach poorly. 

Now I am thinking that I used him to yell at me.  Sounds weird but what bothered me is that he....is me.   Now since venting on him, I feel shity.   

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Yup, had a funky period right around two years and another one right before comma time.

Was he being Lazy? Is he slacking on things he shouldn't be? Does he need a little push?

Sometimes it was easiest to see the same faults in my kids as ones I had growing up. And yes I did get on to them so they would learn to manage those faults and overcome them easier than I did.

Being a parent is not always being their best friend.

I had quit for 3 years quite some time ago and I was an asshole. I yelled all the time and I blamed it on the fact that I quit dipping. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I now have a new place to bitch and that is here. I don't plan on being an asshole but if the need arises, I will do it here and not against my family.

I'll attest for the comma funk.

I'm not in any danger at all, but I just don't feel as "proactive". I guess that this quit has become such a huge part of my life, that I feel like I should be working on it more and it's coming naturally. That makes me feel "funky" and then I get down on myself. It's a weird feeling.

This tax season has become crazy and I do hit the fake stuff now that I'm full swing. It is what it is though. I adopted a new quitter. I have my spiderweb of accountability set up. I'm not afraid of failing because I control my actions.

I'll tell you one thing though...I can't wait to post in the Hall of Legends.

Why does it have to be associated with the fact that you quit using nicotine? I'm sorry to say this, and I know it will incur retaliation from some, but not all bad things in life happen because you do, or did use nicotine and then quit.

Initially when you quit, yes there are some times in the first year or so that your body will be settling down and become uncomfortable. Especially in the very beginning. However this idea that bad emotional states are brought about by the fact that you quit using nicotine after a long term just don't seem viable to me.

Simple basic fact is nicotine is addictive. We all know that. The short term effects of the drug are obvious. Withdraws are anything from mild to very unpleasant. The body and the mind will take time to heal from this and to put to rest the rituals created by it's use. But after a while, it is over.

I think a "funk" is really just a normal part of life, and they happen. In the beginning of a quit, things can get really funky. But after a year, I think it is best to just chalk up a funk to normal life. Part of the quit ritual is that unpleasant sensations are associated to the quit. But this too can be broken.

MJ