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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2008, 12:46:00 AM »
I'd have to agree with Crosshair. I never met any female dip users or knew there was any until I joined this site, so I never had an opinion...till I read the posts of the mighty fine ladies that grace this board. ;)

I could only imagine it being so much tougher to go through the quit on women simply because of that.. it really isn't something you associate with women. Its something us men try to hide from the public, at least I did. I was embarrassed to be a dipper, unless I was around good friends, which is ironic, now that I think about it. Being female must make it 10 times worse. I've learned a lot from reading the posts of MLS, NHS, etc..

'Spec for you ladies on the quit!

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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2008, 12:25:00 AM »
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Men .. what are your views of female dippers - ex-dippers? Honesty please!

Society doesn't think of women dippers .. but yet many of us hide for fear we'll be labeled "ugly" which why most never quit or seek help.
Call me ignorant or blind or whatever, I didn't know any women dipped until I joined here. The only time in my life I saw a woman chew was in 1981 when my sister and her friend asked me for some copenhagen so they could get a buzz on for a High School dance. Needless to say, they got so pukin sick that they missed the dance and never tried it again.

I consider it very hypocritical to criticize others based on sex when it comes to this shit. Guys who call women ugly for having a fatty in their lip need to look in the mirror and see how stupid they look.
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2008, 10:55:00 PM »
I never had a problem with women dippers at all, I mean.....I did it, so it seems quite hypocritical to come down on someone else for doing it- male or female. Actually.....used to think it was kind of hot.....probably shouldn't have typed that :D :wub:
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2008, 10:50:00 PM »
Men .. what are your views of female dippers - ex-dippers? Honesty please!

Society doesn't think of women dippers .. but yet many of us hide for fear we'll be labeled "ugly" which why most never quit or seek help.
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2008, 10:38:00 PM »
Women and Smokeless Tobacco Use

Although more than 90 percent of smokeless tobacco users in the United States are male, a substantial number of women also use smokeless tobacco products.
Studies show that women have a harder time trying to quit smokeless and have less success with abstinence programs than men. There are many proposed reasons for this:

Nicotine has different effects on mood in women compared to men. Women who quit may have greater anxiety and stress than men who quit. Women are not as physically dependent on nicotine as men, but they are more addicted to the actual behavior of smokeless, which is the more powerful deterrent to quitting. This may be the reason why nicotine replacement, which only reduces cravings, tends not to be as effective in women. Women may fear weight gain after quitting more than men. Certain phases in the menstrual cycle may reduce the response to drugs that are used to help women quit.

Men may be less supportive than women in helping their partners to quit. Women trying to quit may miss the feeling of control associated with smokeless tobacco more than men.

There's a perceived social disapproval of women using smokeless tobacco. In fact, 38 percent of the women in the study said they could not use smokeless tobacco in the presence of certain people, and another 25 percent cited social disapproval as a drawback. These social concerns may reduce opportunities for women to use smokeless tobacco within their social circle. In spite of these drawbacks, a significant percentage of women in the study said the relaxing and calming effects and pleasure they associate with smokeless tobacco use are advantages of using these products.

Identifying factors associated with smokeless tobacco use by women and their current patterns of use could generate ways to prevent and treat smokeless tobacco use among women, the study states. "The data from this research could help target some of the educational and prevention messages that we should be giving to women." However, first we have to make women smokeless tobacco users aware that other women use smokeless tobacco products and that they are not abnormal, so they are willing to seek help," a reseacher says."Women may be embarrassed about admitting smokeless tobacco use because the general perception is that smokeless tobacco use is socially undesirable, and women don't use it," the researcher speculates.

Among the unattractive features of smokeless tobacco use is the need to spit tobacco juice from time to time and dislodge particles of loose tobacco that get trapped between the teeth. This disadvantage of smokeless tobacco use was the one most frequently cited by women who did participated in a study of female smokeless tobacco users who weren't seeking treatment, conducted by Dr. Hatsuki and her colleagues.

Information collected from several websites.



If you are a female wishing to quit this addiction, know that you're not alone. Please realize you're not nasty for using this type of nicotine. Try not to be embarrassed. I know it's so very hard. I've been there! It's taken 20 + years for me to finally say, "I am a woman Copenhagen user."

Also realize even if you are not ready to quit, I am here to support you in an effort to prove just how important you are. Take the first step. And just maybe more will follow.

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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2008, 09:05:00 PM »
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I appreciate everyones reply.

It helps me to have other points of view. Specially when I try to write about the topic of addiction. Honestly it's hard to see your mentors, your friends, your group partners fail. Why do some fail? Because we are all human! Everyone makes mistakes. What the purpose of this site is for is so you'll never have to reach that point of failure. Someone will always guide your through.

So yes if someone caves it does help me in my quit but it also proves to me that we're all human. Please find strength before dipping again. Call upon us.

Now how many caves is considered too many?
  • one
  • two
  • three
  • repeat offender
  • could careless
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2008, 08:50:00 PM »
I appreciate everyones reply.

It helps me to have other points of view. Specially when I try to write about the topic of addiction. Honestly it's hard to see your mentors, your friends, your group partners fail. Why do some fail? Because we are all human! Everyone makes mistakes. What the purpose of this site is for is so you'll never have to reach that point of failure. Someone will always guide your through.

So yes if someone caves it does help me in my quit but it also proves to me that we're all human. Please find strength before dipping again. Call upon us.

Now how many caves is considered too many?
  • one
  • two
  • three
  • repeat offender
  • could careless
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2008, 04:11:00 PM »
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Then why is it we have so many who seem to fall back to their old ways?

Does it hurt us or help us by watching these occurances throught the month?

Sorry that I am on a debating spell. Just interested on how others feel and how it makes their quit withstand or crumble?
Its an interesting question. It always hurts to see quit brothers or sisters fall, and I wish it would never happen. However it also re-affirms to us how tough this is. By showing us that it keeps us on our toes, and it reminds us of how proud we should be to be able to continue to add those numbers.

Or maybe I'm wrong.
Unfortunately Sandy, you're group has seen alot of people fall due to the sheer size of it. Early on you saw some people on the board (including me) post some very angry thoughts about the cave and lacksidasical (sp?) approach being taken by some. It wasn't an act, it wasn't to be a big tough guy, and it wasn't a secret desire to be an internet thug. It was genuine anger and venting.

I tried and failed miserably many, many times to beat this awful addiction. I tried everything...the patch....the gum...smoke for a while...cold turkey...you name it. Nothing worked, until I made myself accountable to a bunch of people that I had never met.

When someone caves whether its day 1 or day 1001 there is a feeling that we all have failed. I think that is why some of us get the angry feeling. And then of course, everytime I come down on someone that caved I have to be more vigilant myself for my quit. It wouldn't bode very well if went and did the same thing, would it?

So I would say that in the end, each occurance on this board makes my quit stronger as long as that's where I direct it. People beating the addiction prove to me that it can be done. Folks that let their guard down and cave remind me that weakness...however momentary it may be... will cost me BIG TIME!
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2008, 12:48:00 PM »
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Then why is it we have so many who seem to fall back to their old ways?

Does it hurt us or help us by watching these occurances throught the month?

Sorry that I am on a debating spell. Just interested on how others feel and how it makes their quit withstand or crumble?
I became a member after using this site for almost a year on my own anonymously, and then only after being blindsided by the most intense craving nicfit I have ever had. I still cannot figure out what triggered it, I thought I had won. When you win, the game is supposed to be over. I have now come to realize, thanks mostly to the membership of this board, that this game will never be over. In fact, it's not a game, it's a fight to the finish. Where the finish may be depends in part on whether you cave or not. There are those who this same scenario has happened to that went the other way, I'm sure. On my 3rd quit attempt back in the 90's I went back to the seductress after 10 months cold turkey. Why? Stupidity? Ignorance? I do not have an answer for that. I do know that I also did not have a quit group that I could be accountable to, either.

Personally, watching verybody else go through what I went through only strengthens my resolve. We would like to save everyone, but in the big picture that is never possible. We keep after it and save whoever we can and diligently strive to keep our own house in order.

I do feel sad when people disappear from this board without a trace. They have most likely succumbed, but for every one who leaves there are many many more making a serious go of it who will need words of encouragement or a good ass reaming at times. These are the people that need and deserve help, defined strictly by their actions.

Sorry I droned, I now have to go and refill my cliche' bag.
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2008, 02:01:00 AM »
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Then why is it we have so many who seem to fall back to their old ways?

Does it hurt us or help us by watching these occurances throught the month?

Sorry that I am on a debating spell. Just interested on how others feel and how it makes their quit withstand or crumble?
Its an interesting question. It always hurts to see quit brothers or sisters fall, and I wish it would never happen. However it also re-affirms to us how tough this is. By showing us that it keeps us on our toes, and it reminds us of how proud we should be to be able to continue to add those numbers.

Or maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2008, 01:21:00 AM »
Then why is it we have so many who seem to fall back to their old ways?

Does it hurt us or help us by watching these occurances throught the month?

Sorry that I am on a debating spell. Just interested on how others feel and how it makes their quit withstand or crumble?
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2007, 10:38:00 AM »
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I feel that your post captures, in essence, the whole "accountability" and "you fail, we all fail" message that we try to get across to any new quitters. It shows people that this site is not just a chat board to stop by and visit with people. It should show people that the others, on the other end of the internet connection, are relying on you, and have many of their own problems in life to deal with, so they dont need anyone to add to their stress and problems by caving and making them doubt themselves.

just my $.02, good job MLS
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2007, 10:06:00 AM »
damn, I wish all the folks on the site would "get it". Accountability to each other and ourselves, it is amazing how posting roll and being involved can influence other folks lives. I am glad that someone was there for you MLS, that is why this site works. There is more to this site than posting a number.

Caving, well...it's not going to happen. Forever, I don't think about that. I do know that snuff is not part of my life and it no longer defines me, and I am comfortable with that.

thanks for sharing,
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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2007, 09:33:00 AM »
i haven't read the other responses here yet but i'll give you some off the cuff thoughts nick -- personally i view a cave as a two headed monster. it's a tragedy for the person who caved, the community and for me. i put my heart and sole into this site and these people cause i want them to get the level of freedom that i've achieved. i (like you) do NOT understand why someone would want to go back through days, weeks  months of hell after they had gotten the nic bitch out of their lives. i have YET to hear a good reason for a cave and quite frankly i view people that cave as people who really haven't committed to themselves yet. i don't say this to be mean, but it's the way i feel about it. i understand that this is very difficult, but i haven't EVER heard of someone who was forced to cave when someone else held them down and poured kodiak or cope into their lip.

the second head of the monster: opportunity. i look at every cave that i see as an opportunity to make MY quit stronger. much of what i do here i do for selfish reasons. if i didn't have 13k+ posts i'd be lip deep in a can of kodiak. this site is all about accountabilty and i make myself as accountable to as many people possible through my actions and words here. i promise you that you'll NEVER see a "day 1" next to my name unless it's followed by a comma.

a cave is a terrible thing. the person who's done it has thrown away a life of freedom from the dirt. with all that negativity surrounding an event, i try to look for the positive. i allow someone elses failure to remind me that while i may have good days, i am still in a fight or my life. love it or hate it that's the bed that i made for myself so many years ago and now i've got to lay in it.

for me... i'll keep making my daily decision to stay clean, use my plan when appropriate and try to keep my brothers and sisters away from a terrible decision to put the nic bitch back into their life.

sorry if this wasn't quite the feedback you were looking for nick, but thanks for writing a post that brought it out of me.

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Re: Giving Up Your Quit - Just For A Dip ??
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2007, 09:22:00 AM »
I feel that your post captures, in essence, the whole "accountability" and "you fail, we all fail" message that we try to get across to any new quitters. It shows people that this site is not just a chat board to stop by and visit with people. It should show people that the others, on the other end of the internet connection, are relying on you, and have many of their own problems in life to deal with, so they dont need anyone to add to their stress and problems by caving and making them doubt themselves.

just my $.02, good job MLS
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