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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2017, 06:37:00 PM »
I read a lot on the site today. I read a lot, particularly in the intro section here. I never chronicled my quit apart from roll group posts. Do I regret not doing so in this section? Well, yes, yes I do have a bit of regret. At 9 years quit, I don't remember the significant challenges that I had, day to day during that time. It would have been nice to have used this area for that purpose as so many others have.

So, I read Trauma's Intro section today, start to finish. What an amazing man. Todd's is a powerful story beginning with struggle, then to accomplishment, to pain, and finally to peace. I missed knowing Todd Garcia. I must have had blinders on or didn't get out too much after I hit 5 years. I would have been there to support him like so many others here at KTC had I known of his cancer.

Todd's fight to the very end is something I hope none of us has to face, but if we do, it is comforting to know that a daily post to not use nicotine brings such overwhelming support from this community.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 03:14:00 PM »
Looking back at my story on 9/30/08, it's amazing how much I've learned about quitting since then.

On 9/30/08:
1. I was still using nico-candies....what horseshit. FUCK!! I'm fucking embarassed.
2. I had little idea of what my dip triggers were and how to deal with them
3. I had no clue about the support I would receive here
4. Had no idea how to use the support here

Well, I learned about #1 and quit that shit on 10/1/08. Due to failures to learn #2, #3, and #4 above, I caved like a fuckhead on 10/7 at 2pm. I was a fucking piece of shit. My word was not worth the roll call post that it was made on. I came home, asked my wife to follow my sorry ass to the toilet, and dumped the can I had bought. That was 10/7/08 at 5pm. Then I confessed to my Dec '08 quit group. It was tough. But I stuck it out. That is the true day that I began learning how to quit.

I posted roll in Jan '09 and am here today. I'm still learning about this quit thing. Today is 151 days quit. That's 151 proof of quit.

What have I learned?

1. My roll call is a promise to not dip that day.
2. I like to keep my promises.
3. I like to come back the next day to post my roll call.
4. I'm not quitting alone - I have friends and help here.
5. I'm not the only person to have dipped like a fiend.
6. I'm not the only one to have ever hid my bottle(s) and tin(s) all over the place
7. I'm not the only one to have lied to people to dip
8. I'll probably have occasional dip thoughts and mini-craves until I die

Last but not least, I've learned that I am quit. I'm okay with that.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 02:17:00 PM »
Quote from: bearattack
Wow, guess I wasn't the only low down dirty dipper... I always wondered who else was buying all that dip... Congrats on your ongoing victory...

Btw is big bro still in diptown???

Ray
He's now in May '09 (Colonel_No_Cope) - my younger brother. I'm the stupid one. :D

So, no more dip for us. We're quit.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2009, 02:06:00 PM »
Wow, guess I wasn't the only low down dirty dipper... I always wondered who else was buying all that dip... Congrats on your ongoing victory...

Btw is big bro still in diptown???

Ray
I've dipped enough to be satisfied for a life time, done with it... I killed the bear... hate that scumbag. 02/27/09@ 10pm was my last taste!!!!

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2008, 09:49:00 PM »
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Great stuff everyone!

You've all convinced me that the time to quit the nico-candies should have been before they were purchased in the first place. As you can see from my story, I definitely stayed on the candies way too long (20 months) before quitting a few months in advance of my wedding. In retrospect, I was doing that particular quit more for my girlfriend/fiance than for myself.

If I understand correctly from reading things on this forum, my quit needs to be for me. I have to own it. If I own all the reasons for the quit, seek support, and stay active in the roll, then I will stay off tobacco (nicotine).

I'm off the candies right now. The four leftovers went in the trash at work, which was picked up two hours ago. That was my plan for quitting the candies. My plan going forward is to visit here often, seek help if I'm in trouble, get more active at my gym, participate here often, and begin to live life again. One day, maybe in retirement, I can say that I wouldn't want the can. But that is a long long road to get to that destination.
That about sums it up. Quick learner there you.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2008, 06:00:00 PM »
Great stuff everyone!

You've all convinced me that the time to quit the nico-candies should have been before they were purchased in the first place. As you can see from my story, I definitely stayed on the candies way too long (20 months) before quitting a few months in advance of my wedding. In retrospect, I was doing that particular quit more for my girlfriend/fiance than for myself.

If I understand correctly from reading things on this forum, my quit needs to be for me. I have to own it. If I own all the reasons for the quit, seek support, and stay active in the roll, then I will stay off tobacco (nicotine).

I'm off the candies right now. The four leftovers went in the trash at work, which was picked up two hours ago. That was my plan for quitting the candies. My plan going forward is to visit here often, seek help if I'm in trouble, get more active at my gym, participate here often, and begin to live life again. One day, maybe in retirement, I can say that I wouldn't want the can. But that is a long long road to get to that destination.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2008, 02:31:00 PM »
Quote from: CopeFiend
I'm sucking on a nico-candy right now as I write this.
Fiend: I was a 15-year can-o-Cope-a-day boy myself until 64 days ago. I'm chiming in here because I used the nic gum when I first quit. I tapered the gum off to zero a few weeks ago. Most guys on this site went cold turkey from day one. My method just had the effect of dragging my withdrawal pain out longer than it would have been if I'd never touched the nic gum.

You're on nearly a month w/o tobacco now, but you're still a raging, ACTIVE nicotine addict. When do you plan on getting off the nic, and what's your plan to do that?
"the cycle is over. we are clean. we are shining beacons to the masses that think it can't be done." ...LooT

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2008, 10:46:00 AM »
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copefiend -- welcome welcome welcome!  congrats on a great decision.  you've come a long way already and it seems like you're well on track.

one suggestion -- get rid of your nic candies.  until you get ALL the nic out of your system you won't be completely free.  at the VERY LEAST, please make sure you're using them "as prescribed"... otherwise you'll find yourself with a nic-candy addiction that you need to break.

welcome!
Welcome Copefiend. My story is very similar to yours including Copenhagen. Sounds like a good thing she found the stash. It took my wife leaving me for me to finally come clean and admit that the can had become more important than her and the family. I used all of the same tricks to feed my addiction behind her and my daugther's back. Used the same hiding places in the house and my truck. Every waking moment I was having a dip or thinking about when and how i was going to get the opportunity to have the next dip. She hated dip and everything asociated with it so when I took it up again several years ago, I hid it from her with the thought that i would stop soon and not let her know I had been doing it. I figured what she didn't know wouldn't hurt her. I couldn't have been more wrong.

My advice to you is get rid of the nic candy and go cold turkey. Also if you drink, stay away from that as well in the beginning. It will weaken your resolve. I have only drank once in the last month and I was craving like shit. I came close to going out and buying a can but I called another bud on this site who talked me out of doing something stupid.

I have been off nicotine totally for 28 days and while it has been rough at times, it is getting better. Also my wife is back and she has been amazed at how much better my personality is since dumping the can. I have been focused on her and the family instead of how to find an excuse to go off and stuff my lip with cancer causing crap. I also had some anger issues that were being aggravated when I had to go long periods without my nic fix. That seems to be under control as well. Good Luck on your quit and PM me if you need anything or a phone# for emergencies.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2008, 09:34:00 AM »
copefiend -- welcome welcome welcome! congrats on a great decision. you've come a long way already and it seems like you're well on track.

one suggestion -- get rid of your nic candies. until you get ALL the nic out of your system you won't be completely free. at the VERY LEAST, please make sure you're using them "as prescribed"... otherwise you'll find yourself with a nic-candy addiction that you need to break.

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Re: Enslaved by Cope
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 09:14:00 PM »
Welcome.....

Your story is not much different than many others on this site. Including me. If I can do this, so can you.

You can do this, I/we will help.

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Enslaved by Cope
« on: September 30, 2008, 09:06:00 PM »
I'm 4.5 years older than my brother. He was in ROTC throughout college and graduated into the Army. Shortly thereafter, my parents and I noticed he picked up a habit called Copenhagen. I used to tease him about his "spit cup", but he would just keep doing it. That was 21 years ago.

Well, about 10 or so years ago I visited him at his base for a week. He was still using Copenhagen. One night, we had a few beers, and I teased him again about his "spit cup" (though it was actually a bottle). He came over and held the can of "Cope" under my nose and said, "Smell the aroma - you want some". Of course, I would normally have said "No way!", but something in me said, "I'll show him!". So, I asked him what to do. That was it. I was hooked. I liked it. No, I loved it. I wish I would have puked right there on the spot, but I didn't. Then I had to fly back home. That's when my one can a day habit started. I was nervous about buying the first can, but once I did, I rushed home for that dip. I had terrible technique - something that always led to what my brother called "floaters". Ick! Why did I start a habit that tasted so revolting? Ah, because it took away boredom. It took away stress. It helped me relax. But, what it really did was enslave me to a $4-$5/day habit for over 10 years. It enslaved me to a "schedule" of activities (all Cope-related) at certain times: getting up, toilet, shower, pre-lunch, post-lunch, pre-dinner, post-dinner, TV-time, bed-time, and any time spent in the car. I couldn't do it at work during the weekdays, as that wouldn't have been tolerated. But, you bet that I would be doing it there if I had to work on the weekend when nobody was around.

I wasn't married when I started Cope. I've been married now for 18 months. I lost a girlfriend over the habit. I hid it from others. I told my wife when we met that I used Cope, but that I would quit. So, I used nico-candies for about 20 months and managed to quit nicotine totally until about 2 months after our wedding. Some major job stress broke my resolve and I was back on the can. I would stop for a little while, but I couldn't use the nico-candies because I didn't want my wife to find out that I was doing it. So, I always returned to the can. I hated hiding this from her. I had hiding places for cans in the house (top of china cabinet, laptop bag, top of bathroom cabinet). I've spent time in the bathroom "reading the paper", but was really there getting a lip full. I've stayed up late reading or watching TV just to dip. I would linger in the morning before work and would dip after my wife left. I would dip when she went shopping.

But, the car became my safe place. My can(s) and bottle in the glove box or under the driver's seat if my wife would join me in the car. That all ended when my car was rear-ended a couple months ago. We bought a new car. One that my wife liked to drive too. Well, you know what happened next, right? She went out to put our new insurance cards into the glove box one day and my bottle and can were there. Needless to say, it wasn't a good Friday for us, but it was a good day for me. It was my quit day. September 5th, 2008, 6:30pm. Yes, I had to dip the last of it before throwing out the can  bottle. She didn't like that, but I was in the habit and didn't see any reason to not use up the rest. She went to the store and bought me nico-candies while I finished the can. She came home with the 2mg variety...I wanted the 4mg, but told her I would try to do it on 2's. I love her and never want to hurt her like this again. She bought my nico-candies!!

Well, it's 3.5 weeks and I haven't had a single dip. I'm sucking on a nico-candy right now as I write this. I have more energy than I've had in a long time. You quickly forget what your energy level was like when you weren't on the can. See, that's the thing. Cope made me lazy. Cope made me complacent. Cope enslaved me and a whole lot more.

I don't want to be a slave anymore.
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