Day 20- 1st post & experience

[Etxaggie]

Sounds like I'm in the right place. The past few weeks I've been 'bang head' .

Of course I'm here to quit. I was just writing to get my thoughts out for myself- and maybe someone else has the same thing going. I just thought it was interesting that something like nausea would happen after quitting when I'd think quitting dip would improve my gastro problems.

I'm still trying to figure out if I need an accountability group.

But yeah. It was a smarty sounding post. I was totally writing for the sake of collecting my thoughts last night. I posted on a site full of dippers. I'd expect some cowboy

[edit] wt57- I've been reading some of your old posts from April 2012. There were some good posts in there.

Jawz-

I can only speak from my point of view. I'm 59 days in  without an "accountability group" I would have caved yesterday. Instead, I remembered my word to my brothers/sisters here at KTC. I'm here because I've tried to quit in the past  it hasn't worked. This is a proven plan if you buy in. The only cost of admission is to post roll that you won't use nicotine.

Come on Jawz ! Commit  drop the nic-bitch for good! I quit with you.

[slug.go]

I'm still trying to figure out if I need an accountability group.

Umm, you do...we all do. It appears that you may be over-thinking this.
1. Post roll, every day.
2. No nicotine in any form.
3. Repeat daily.
It will suck for a while, then it won't. First 3-4 days are a struggle, nothing that everyone here hasn't gone through. You like to do research? Perfect, scour this website, everything you need is right here. Get smarter. Get on Roll/June 2014.

[THansen2413]

Sounds like I'm in the right place.  The past few weeks I've been  'bang head' .

Of course I'm here to quit.  I was just writing to get my thoughts out for myself- and maybe someone else has the same thing going.  I just thought it was interesting that something like nausea would happen after quitting when I'd think quitting dip would improve my gastro problems.

I'm still trying to figure out if I need an accountability group.

But yeah.  It was a smarty sounding post.  I was totally writing for the sake of collecting my thoughts last night.  I posted on a site full of dippers.  I'd expect some cowboy

24 year old addict here. I've chewed for almost 10 years with some "breaks". Not nearly as long as some of the badass vets on here had chewed for but nevertheless I'm an addict. I've "quit" twice. Each time for about 8 months. Then the bitch nic came calling for me and I caved, twice. I just joined KTC last Sunday, almost a week ago. That's what will make my quit last Sunday, the final quit for me. You will get support here from people who are going through the exact same thing every day of their life, just like you. So in short, ya you do need an "accountability" group. Get your ass over to the Pre June HOF group and make that promise to not use today. Then do it the next day, and the day after. I've been quit for 6 days and I've already met more supportive people than I've met over my previous 10 years of chewing.

[jawz101]

Sounds like I'm in the right place. The past few weeks I've been 'bang head' .

Of course I'm here to quit. I was just writing to get my thoughts out for myself- and maybe someone else has the same thing going. I just thought it was interesting that something like nausea would happen after quitting when I'd think quitting dip would improve my gastro problems.

I'm still trying to figure out if I need an accountability group.

But yeah. It was a smarty sounding post. I was totally writing for the sake of collecting my thoughts last night. I posted on a site full of dippers. I'd expect some cowboy

[edit] wt57- I've been reading some of your old posts from April 2012. There were some good posts in there.

[rdad]

Click on the Welcome Center link above and learn how and why we post roll.  Then do it.

"SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome"...holy shit?!!  I prefer the DPTSIYF (Don't Put That Shit In Your Face) program.  It is a one-step process.

DPTSIYF 'crackup' , ODAAT, QLFEDD, NAFAR! 'oh yeah'

[Bean]

Click on the Welcome Center link above and learn how and why we post roll. Then do it.

"SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome"...holy shit?!! I prefer the DPTSIYF (Don't Put That Shit In Your Face) program. It is a one-step process.

[Sh4string]

I just created an account to describe some of the withdrawal symptoms I've experienced as I recognize the feelings.
I've quit for maybe 6 or 8 months in the past 15 years but, for the most part, I haven't gone a day without a dip in that time.

For the first couple of weeks I felt anxious, restless and very nauseous all coupled with an eery feeling I can only call brain zaps.  I'd had the same uncomfortable sensation after quitting Effexor.

Anyways, this brain zap thing feels like a wave of whatever overcomes my head for a moment and it's just uncomfortable but it passes.  I find it interesting that it happened when I quit this time and because I recognized the symptoms.

I wanted to get the real term and it is called SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome.


Symptoms described as "brain zaps," "brain shocks," "brain shivers," "brain pulse-waves," "head shocks," "pulses," "flickers," or "cranial zings" are common withdrawal symptoms experienced during discontinuation (or reduction of dose) of antidepressant drugs. These result from a global downregulation of serotonin receptors in response to increased levels of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, but the specific mechanism through which this creates symptoms is not understood. Common responses to dose reduction or cessation include dizziness, electric shock-like sensations, sweating, nausea, insomnia, tremor, confusion, nightmares, and vertigo.


Just some points to note:
It feels uncomfortable
It does go away after a couple of weeks

The term SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome that has only been around for about a decade.  I mean, you have to have SSRI medicines and a bunch of people taking them and complaining about the symptoms on the Internet for it to finally get it's own medical term and wikipedia page :/

Finding that quitting tobacco presents these symptoms I don't need to be a doctor to say nicotine ups your serotonin production.  Prozac dip I guess.  I know you've heard tobacco  other substances as a form of self medication and here are some literally shared symptoms.

The other reason I mention it is, if you are on any behavioral medications, it's a smart idea to let your prescribing physician know that you've quit tobacco if you experience these symptoms.  Yes, the symptoms will pass, but you have to consider that you've essentially been taking one extra medicine that they don't have on your chart in case any adjustments need to be made in your prescribed medications.

I, for one, am excited that I'm not only getting rid of a substance that causes so many oral problems but also a chemical that messes with my sleep and anxiety.


I also found it annoying that this site calls it 'the brain fog.'  Yeah... that sounds real :blink:

Good luck everyone!

- a geek

Does it matter if someone calls it "brain fog" or "brain zaps"? WTF?

Are you here to quit? Jump in.

If not. Go away.

Welcome! There are plenty of peer-reviewed articles documenting the chemical effects of nicotine. Do not take the attitude here as unfriendly . This site works period. All you have to do is follow the rules, and you will get more support than you could imagine. However, there is no place for " special butterflies here. Post roll every damn day, get involved, or good luck on your own. Hope to see your name on the June roll call

[slug.go]

I just created an account to describe some of the withdrawal symptoms I've experienced as I recognize the feelings.
I've quit for maybe 6 or 8 months in the past 15 years but, for the most part, I haven't gone a day without a dip in that time.

For the first couple of weeks I felt anxious, restless and very nauseous all coupled with an eery feeling I can only call brain zaps.  I'd had the same uncomfortable sensation after quitting Effexor.

Anyways, this brain zap thing feels like a wave of whatever overcomes my head for a moment and it's just uncomfortable but it passes.  I find it interesting that it happened when I quit this time and because I recognized the symptoms.

I wanted to get the real term and it is called SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome.


Symptoms described as "brain zaps," "brain shocks," "brain shivers," "brain pulse-waves," "head shocks," "pulses," "flickers," or "cranial zings" are common withdrawal symptoms experienced during discontinuation (or reduction of dose) of antidepressant drugs. These result from a global downregulation of serotonin receptors in response to increased levels of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, but the specific mechanism through which this creates symptoms is not understood. Common responses to dose reduction or cessation include dizziness, electric shock-like sensations, sweating, nausea, insomnia, tremor, confusion, nightmares, and vertigo.


Just some points to note:
It feels uncomfortable
It does go away after a couple of weeks

The term SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome that has only been around for about a decade.  I mean, you have to have SSRI medicines and a bunch of people taking them and complaining about the symptoms on the Internet for it to finally get it's own medical term and wikipedia page :/

Finding that quitting tobacco presents these symptoms I don't need to be a doctor to say nicotine ups your serotonin production.  Prozac dip I guess.  I know you've heard tobacco  other substances as a form of self medication and here are some literally shared symptoms.

The other reason I mention it is, if you are on any behavioral medications, it's a smart idea to let your prescribing physician know that you've quit tobacco if you experience these symptoms.  Yes, the symptoms will pass, but you have to consider that you've essentially been taking one extra medicine that they don't have on your chart in case any adjustments need to be made in your prescribed medications.

I, for one, am excited that I'm not only getting rid of a substance that causes so many oral problems but also a chemical that messes with my sleep and anxiety.


I also found it annoying that this site calls it 'the brain fog.'  Yeah... that sounds real :blink:

Good luck everyone!

- a geek

Does it matter if someone calls it "brain fog" or "brain zaps"? WTF?

Are you here to quit? Jump in.

If not. Go away.

Get in or get out. We don't muddle here, we do.

[Etxaggie]

I just created an account to describe some of the withdrawal symptoms I've experienced as I recognize the feelings.
I've quit for maybe 6 or 8 months in the past 15 years but, for the most part, I haven't gone a day without a dip in that time.

For the first couple of weeks I felt anxious, restless and very nauseous all coupled with an eery feeling I can only call brain zaps.  I'd had the same uncomfortable sensation after quitting Effexor.

Anyways, this brain zap thing feels like a wave of whatever overcomes my head for a moment and it's just uncomfortable but it passes.  I find it interesting that it happened when I quit this time and because I recognized the symptoms.

I wanted to get the real term and it is called SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome.


Symptoms described as "brain zaps," "brain shocks," "brain shivers," "brain pulse-waves," "head shocks," "pulses," "flickers," or "cranial zings" are common withdrawal symptoms experienced during discontinuation (or reduction of dose) of antidepressant drugs. These result from a global downregulation of serotonin receptors in response to increased levels of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, but the specific mechanism through which this creates symptoms is not understood. Common responses to dose reduction or cessation include dizziness, electric shock-like sensations, sweating, nausea, insomnia, tremor, confusion, nightmares, and vertigo.


Just some points to note:
It feels uncomfortable
It does go away after a couple of weeks

The term SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome that has only been around for about a decade.  I mean, you have to have SSRI medicines and a bunch of people taking them and complaining about the symptoms on the Internet for it to finally get it's own medical term and wikipedia page :/

Finding that quitting tobacco presents these symptoms I don't need to be a doctor to say nicotine ups your serotonin production.  Prozac dip I guess.  I know you've heard tobacco  other substances as a form of self medication and here are some literally shared symptoms.

The other reason I mention it is, if you are on any behavioral medications, it's a smart idea to let your prescribing physician know that you've quit tobacco if you experience these symptoms.  Yes, the symptoms will pass, but you have to consider that you've essentially been taking one extra medicine that they don't have on your chart in case any adjustments need to be made in your prescribed medications.

I, for one, am excited that I'm not only getting rid of a substance that causes so many oral problems but also a chemical that messes with my sleep and anxiety.


I also found it annoying that this site calls it 'the brain fog.'  Yeah... that sounds real :blink:

Good luck everyone!

- a geek

Does it matter if someone calls it "brain fog" or "brain zaps"? WTF?

Are you here to quit? Jump in.

If not. Go away.

[Wedge]

You make it sound like you are smarter than any of us. Well you did a good job of researching the topic but 20 days quit hardly makes you a expert. By your own omission you've failed numerous times over the past 15 years. This will likely be another of those without some accountability. I can see you convincing yourself you need a little self medication to pull you through a rough patch.

So much for the negative. As a long term patient on antidepressants and self medicated addict for over 40 years I can tell you that life nicotine free is far better than living a life of slavery. I had pauses in my use for as long as 3 years in the past but admitting the truth of my addiction and accountability was never part of stopping. I recommend doing more than educating us, join in the brotherhood and participate in being accountable and holding your brothers accountable.

If you decide to quit without us that's fine and I wish you luck, but if you join us I expect you to post roll daily and you won't need luck. You will only need honor in keeping your word or daily promise.

Luck or Accountability? Your decision.

What he said. You do it your way and I'll just back up WT and answer his call when he needs me. And answer his call when he busts my chops for missing roll.


SSRI = So Sorry Really Incontinence

[Wt57]

You make it sound like you are smarter than any of us. Well you did a good job of researching the topic but 20 days quit hardly makes you a expert. By your own omission you've failed numerous times over the past 15 years. This will likely be another of those without some accountability. I can see you convincing yourself you need a little self medication to pull you through a rough patch.

So much for the negative. As a long term patient on antidepressants and self medicated addict for over 40 years I can tell you that life nicotine free is far better than living a life of slavery. I had pauses in my use for as long as 3 years in the past but admitting the truth of my addiction and accountability was never part of stopping. I recommend doing more than educating us, join in the brotherhood and participate in being accountable and holding your brothers accountable.

If you decide to quit without us that's fine and I wish you luck, but if you join us I expect you to post roll daily and you won't need luck. You will only need honor in keeping your word or daily promise.

Luck or Accountability? Your decision.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

I just created an account to describe some of the withdrawal symptoms I've experienced as I recognize the feelings.
I've quit for maybe 6 or 8 months in the past 15 years but, for the most part, I haven't gone a day without a dip in that time.

This time when I quit I had a string of discontinuation symptoms.

For the first couple of weeks I had a steady stream of nausea and anxiety coupled with an eery feeling I can only call brain zaps. I'd had the same uncomfortable sensation after quitting Effexor.

Anyways, this brain zap feeling - or feeling a pulsing wave in my head is just uncomfortable but it passes. I find it interesting that it happened when I quit this time and because I recognized the symptoms.

I wanted to get the real term and it is called SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome.


Symptoms described as "brain zaps," "brain shocks," "brain shivers," "brain pulse-waves," "head shocks," "pulses," "flickers," or "cranial zings" are common withdrawal symptoms experienced during discontinuation (or reduction of dose) of antidepressant drugs. These result from a global downregulation of serotonin receptors in response to increased levels of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, but the specific mechanism through which this creates symptoms is not understood. Common responses to dose reduction or cessation include dizziness, electric shock-like sensations, sweating, nausea, insomnia, tremor, confusion, nightmares, and vertigo.


Just some points to note:
It feels uncomfortable
It does go away after a couple of weeks

The term SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome that has only been around for about a decade. I mean, you have to have SSRI medicines and a bunch of people taking them and complaining about the symptoms on the Internet for it to finally get it's own medical term and wikipedia page :/

Finding that quitting tobacco presents these symptoms I don't need to be a doctor to say nicotine ups your serotonin production. Prozac dip I guess. I know you've heard tobacco  other substances as a form of self medication and here are some literally shared symptoms.

The other reason I mention it is, if you are on any behavioral medications, it's a smart idea to let your prescribing physician know that you've quit tobacco if you experience these symptoms. Yes, the symptoms will pass, but you have to consider that you've essentially been taking one extra medicine that they don't have on your chart in case any adjustments need to be made in your prescribed medications.

I, for one, am excited that I'm not only getting rid of a substance that causes so many oral problems but also a chemical that messes with my sleep and anxiety.


I also found it annoying that this site calls it 'the brain fog.' Yeah... that sounds real :blink:

Good luck everyone!

- a geek

Thanks. Nice write up. Good luck to you too.

[jawz101]

I just created an account to describe some of the withdrawal symptoms I've experienced as I recognize the feelings.
I've quit for maybe 6 or 8 months in the past 15 years but, for the most part, I haven't gone a day without a dip in that time.

For the first couple of weeks I felt anxious, restless and very nauseous all coupled with an eery feeling I can only call brain zaps. I'd had the same uncomfortable sensation after quitting Effexor.

Anyways, this brain zap thing feels like a wave of whatever overcomes my head for a moment and it's just uncomfortable but it passes. I find it interesting that it happened when I quit this time and because I recognized the symptoms.

I wanted to get the real term and it is called SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome.


Symptoms described as "brain zaps," "brain shocks," "brain shivers," "brain pulse-waves," "head shocks," "pulses," "flickers," or "cranial zings" are common withdrawal symptoms experienced during discontinuation (or reduction of dose) of antidepressant drugs. These result from a global downregulation of serotonin receptors in response to increased levels of serotonin in the synaptic cleft, but the specific mechanism through which this creates symptoms is not understood. Common responses to dose reduction or cessation include dizziness, electric shock-like sensations, sweating, nausea, insomnia, tremor, confusion, nightmares, and vertigo.


Just some points to note:
It feels uncomfortable
It does go away after a couple of weeks

The term SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome that has only been around for about a decade. I mean, you have to have SSRI medicines and a bunch of people taking them and complaining about the symptoms on the Internet for it to finally get it's own medical term and wikipedia page :/

Finding that quitting tobacco presents these symptoms I don't need to be a doctor to say nicotine ups your serotonin production. Prozac dip I guess. I know you've heard tobacco  other substances as a form of self medication and here are some literally shared symptoms.

The other reason I mention it is, if you are on any behavioral medications, it's a smart idea to let your prescribing physician know that you've quit tobacco if you experience these symptoms. Yes, the symptoms will pass, but you have to consider that you've essentially been taking one extra medicine that they don't have on your chart in case any adjustments need to be made in your prescribed medications.

I, for one, am excited that I'm not only getting rid of a substance that causes so many oral problems but also a chemical that messes with my sleep and anxiety.


I also found it annoying that this site calls it 'the brain fog.' Yeah... that sounds real :blink:

Good luck everyone!

- a geek

[jawz101]