D-Day 02/01/08 2:45 PST

[kbdavear]

Nice Ready, Thank you for promising daily, and helping with the quit of others

[Souliman]

Just a general thanks brother.

[Wild_Bill]

These words below should be required reading for any quitter. And, I mean every single one of us.

Thanks, Ready.

Ready - Day 1279

I have seen quite a few quitters come back in the last several months and post a "Day 1"  Not the newbs mind you, members that quit years ago, reached the HOF, and faded away.  They thought they had it "Beat." They thought they had it "Under control."  They thought they could have "Just One."

They were wrong!

I post here in my group, May 2008, and in other groups every day for accountability.  When I post roll, I am giving my word of honor that I will not use nicotine in any way, shape or form...for that day.

I keep my word.

This has worked for one thousand, two hundred and seventy nine days.  I have no reason to believe that it will not work tomorrow.  I am not willing to risk what the others have risked.

I am not aware of anyone who has posted roll every day on this site, kept their word and used the tools provided and as a result, caved.

I have seen many use this site to quit, think they have it under control, leave the site, lose their accountability and cave.

Bottom line...

What is your freedom/quit worth to you?

[LLCope]

Ready,

Thanks for being here on this site. Vets like you are the foundation of KTC. Thanks for sharing your journey.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1301

Don't be shocked when someone jumps in the hole next to you. It is more than likely they know the way out. Accept their help. If they did not intend to help, they would not have jumped in the hole with you in the first place.

If you are ready, freedom is waiting. Follow me brother, I know the way out.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1279

I have seen quite a few quitters come back in the last several months and post a "Day 1" Not the newbs mind you, members that quit years ago, reached the HOF, and faded away. They thought they had it "Beat." They thought they had it "Under control." They thought they could have "Just One."

They were wrong!

I post here in my group, May 2008, and in other groups every day for accountability. When I post roll, I am giving my word of honor that I will not use nicotine in any way, shape or form...for that day.

I keep my word.

This has worked for one thousand, two hundred and seventy nine days. I have no reason to believe that it will not work tomorrow. I am not willing to risk what the others have risked.

I am not aware of anyone who has posted roll every day on this site, kept their word and used the tools provided and as a result, caved.

I have seen many use this site to quit, think they have it under control, leave the site, lose their accountability and cave.

Bottom line...

What is your freedom/quit worth to you?

[per034]

Ready - Day 1267

I have seen people upset that no one knew they were missing for a day and no one came looking for them or blew up their phone because they didn't post roll.

Those people do not belong here.

Ask yourself what you're doing here. Once you answer that, the path will become clear. You are either here to quit, or not.

Who will come looking for you? Who? And Why?

This is a brilliant point.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1267

I have seen people upset that no one knew they were missing for a day and no one came looking for them or blew up their phone because they didn't post roll.

Those people do not belong here.

Ask yourself what you're doing here. Once you answer that, the path will become clear. You are either here to quit, or not.

Who will come looking for you? Who? And Why?

[Ready]

Ready - Day One Thousand Two Hundred and Sixty Three.

I remember.

[Ready]

I'm at 39 days today. I'm here every day. It's just part of my life now. Like having a cup of coffee or putting on new underwear every day (ok, maybe not everyday :)).

When I started this journey I didn't know what to expect. Frankly, I didn't even know if I wanted to quit. My quit started almost on accident - which is a quick way to a failed quit. But I haven't failed and I won't fail. Becuase of this site, every day my quit gets stronger. In the beginning, I spent an obscene amount of time on this site, just reading. Seeing unbelievable support from people who had no clue who I was and seeing astonishing anger directed at people who failed at their quit. I was (and still am) incredibly grateful for the former, and was (but am no longer) incredibly disheartened by the latter.

I went back to my first post in the August Quit Group today and starting reading forward. At one point I came across one of my own posts on Day 3 which included something along the lines of "maybe in a week I'll regret posting this"... The whole thing was about the anger directed at failed quitters.

Well, it's over a month later. I don't regret posting what I had written so early on, because those comments were just another part of my journey to where I am today. But I no longer feel the same way. I understand the anger directed at the failed quit of others. It has nothing to do with the failed quit.  It has everything to do with a broken promise. I didn't realize that in the beginning. Some random stranger wants to give in to the nicotine addiction, well too bad for them - I'm not involved. But that same random stranger makes a promise to me and breaks it? Well fuck you then, because now I am involved.

I think that's a defining reason why this site works for so many people. It works for the people who take pride in their own personal character and integrity. It works for people who realize that a promise made is a promise kept. I have no idea if others on this site share the same opinion or if I'm just way the hell out in left field... but it doesn't really matter all that much. This is what I believe this site means for ME and MY QUIT, so this is what I will continue to believe.

And that's why I come here everyday. Like a cup of coffee and fresh pair of skivvies. Because I know I won't break my promise - my promise is stronger than my addiction.

per034 gets it.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1219

It's a fine day to be quit.

Taking that first step and posting roll = Difficult to say the least.

Keeping you word of Honor = Damned inconvenient sometimes.

Gaining back your freedom = PRICELESS.


You are not alone.

"Hey, snowflake, don't take a seat in the life raft if you are not serious about saving your life." - Scowick65

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1179

You can't take the sky from me.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1,176

I have failed to make myself accountable. That right there is a slippery fucking slope.

Gets me to wondering.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1,170...

By Remshot. One of the Honor Guards of Quit...


Talk Is Cheap - Written By Remshot

In reading in this group and other groups as well, a couple of old adages come to mind.

"Talk is cheap" and "Actions speak louder than words".

Coming in here and posting roll saying that you will not dip today is a good thing, isn't it? I mean, you are pledging to your quit brothers and sisters that you will not dip that day. That is what we are here for isn't it? Pledging not to dip or ingest tobacco in any form. That is why we are here. It doesn't get any better than that, does it?

Yes, it does get better. Talk is cheap. We are not here to post roll and promise not to dip.

Are you paying closer attention now? Are you thinking that perhaps Remshot has lost it? If you are paying closer attention, good. If you are thinking that I've lost it, shame on you!

Posting roll and pledging not to dip for that day is HUGE. It is bigger than big. If your word is worth anything to you, posting roll must carry tremendous weight. Your word. A promise. An oath. There was a time when those things meant a lot more than they seem to in today's world. Sadly, it is not enough.

I've seen it all to often. It happens and the culprit hits and runs, leaving confusion, pain and sadness in his wake. From out of the blue. From left field. Out of nowhere.

If your plan is to post roll everyday and stay quit, I wish you the best. It is the right step in the right direction. Beware though. It may not be enough.

Actions speak louder than words.

You are having a rough day. Your cravings are driving you crazy. You are arguing with co-workers, your wife, your husband, your kids, your paper boy, your dog. You are grinding your teeth. You are thinking. "Just one dip." It happens. It has happened to you. It may happen again.

I've seen it all to often. It happens and the culprit hits and runs, leaving confusion, pain and sadness in his wake. From out of the blue. From left field. Out of nowhere.

This brings me back to what I wrote earlier - We are not just here to post roll and promise not to dip.

When you crave, when you writhe with withdrawals, when you think "Just one dip". Those are key times for you to come here! That is what you need! Get in here and post your feelings. Rant, rave, yell and scream.

More importantly, ask for help!

Let me type that slower, so everyone understands.

A-S-K-F-O-R-H-E-L-P

This is where your actions will really start to speak loudly. Ask for help. Such a simple concept. When posting roll is not enough, when in danger of breaking your word, your oath, your promise, ask for help. Before you do damage to your marriage, your children, your job security, ask for help. Your dog loves you. Ask for help.

The people on this site are a giving group. We can be hard, but we can be pliable too. There are people on this site who will do so much to help you remain quit, I think you would be amazed. Ask or help.

Before you go to the convenience store, before you buy a can, before you put that cancer weed in to your mouth - for help.

I'e seen it all to often. It happens and the culprit hits and runs, leaving confusion, pain and sadness in his wake. From out of the blue. From left field. Out of nowhere.

I' talking about a cave. Someone who has caved. We had no idea. No clue. We are caught off guard. Unaware. When someone caves, it hurts us all. It hurts those of us who have invested time, energy, resources, and emotion into helping or trying to help that person. We were robbed! We never had a chance. You never had a chance because you never gave us a chance.

I have yet to hear one story of someone who caved while they were on the phone with someone, trying to get help. Not one. Same goes for someone being online receiving help by chatting back and forth. No. The cave is like its namesake. Dark. Incognito. Anonymous. Undercover.

When in danger, when in doubt, ask for help. Get in here and ask. If not here, go somewhere else. Just ask for help. Days 1, 2, 3 are hellish. None of us want to go back and relive those days. Ask for help. Give us a chance.

By giving us a chance, you give yourself a chance. It is that simple.

[Ready]

Ready - Day 1,155

SM makes me look like an amateur...


By Skoalmonster March 31, 2011.....


THE VOID (the feeling of something missing)

Silly rabbits, nicotine wasn't filling the void it was creating it.

What exactly is it that your foggy mind imagines you lost? The only thing that chew is good for is to keep you addicted to chew.

You think you miss it? Is it the morning ritual of scraping the dead skin off your lip? Did it make you a better husband, father, son. Perhaps you miss being tethered to a dripping sewer of a spitter. I know!!! It made you smarter and the lump in your lip was a real hit with the ladies . You didn't lose anything , instead you have gained everything, perhaps your very life.

Nothing to miss thats all illusion created by the addiction

"Bullshit" you say "I remember that it was good and I liked it"
You miss that good dip? the perfect wedge that you think you remember. I bet you have a romantic memory , mine is of dipping in the bleachers at the highschool game on Friday night. (Secret for you) That's not the dip you get when you cave. Ohhhh nooooo buttercup, you get a dip that was just like your LAST ONE. Remember that lame chew? The one you had to have just to feed your habit, you had to think about where to put it because everywhere else hurt. Except this dip will be full of guilt and shame and failure. How could you start again when you have read the Tom Kern story? or looked at ODT's cancer surgery, or spent any time here at all?

Don't romanticize your addiction, if it was so great why did you want to stop in the first place.

It isnt the one good chew you get when you fail , its the 10,000 shitty chews that will come with it. How long will it take you to get back to 30 days of freedom? How long did it take you this time? for me it was years in between quits. You can't risk that, how many chances until you look your son or daughter in the eyes and tell them you killed yourself? and you did it on purpose. The next dip could be the one
that kills you. It isn't likely but the possibility is there. Jenny Kern said the odds of getting cancer from chew don't matter if your the one that gets it. Just sayin

Still on the fence eh, " it was always there for me" and " it would calm me down" you mumble. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor it raises your blood pressure. It is also a stimulant. Sounds calming alright . More illusions of your nicotine soaked cerabellum. When you are angry you produce chemicals like adrenaline and cortisol. These literally take the nic out of your blood stream. So you go into withdrawl. So....we...would have a dip, and feel better. The calm you felt... was only the relief from withdrawl.

But we all believed it was THE DIP that calmed us, it was in reality the DIP that caused alot of the stress. Nicotine creating a void (can you see it yet)

The feel better high you seek, the replacement for your so called void? I think PBkids shrink friend was close but not quite there. If you can admit the void is caused by nicotine and your addiction, then the opposite must be true as well. Recovery from the addiction will fill the void. You can see this prove out in your own group and those ahead of you. Posts such as it was great to hang out with my kid and not worry about a place to spit or a spitter. Posts on how nice it feels to not HAVE to lie and hide. How proud you feel, how proud your loved ones are. Those feelings of relief, calm , become more and more as your quit progresses. THAT my addict brethren will fill the void, THAT is the good and the positive stuff that your already working for. (another secret) it's worth it and it feels so much better than you do now.

your body has to heal, your mind needs to heal. Dip literally changes the way your brain works, and it changes how your body produces and uses all of its feel good chemicals. It effects serotonin and adrenaline. The fog in my opinion is created by a lack of chemical production when your brain is trying to figure out what the hell to do with out a steady stream of posion ( you knew that nicotine is a potent neurotoxin right). Anti depressants act on the same chemicals that nic did. Coincidence that Wellbutrin does the same thing? You may feel depressed, the funk, the fog, the blahs and the fuck its. It hits with a repeatable timing in all the groups. Common sense tells you that a pattern that occurs across every group could be reality.This is your brain healing. Literally nicotine receptors are dying and new neuro pathways are forming. This is the price you must pay to earn your freedom. Embrace it. Rkymtnman gave you the best piece of advice yet. Excercise, Yes you frito lay lovin pork rind munching fattys need to get off your collective asses and excercise. Walking counts if you put some distance there. Excercise works on your body just like the rest of the stuff above. Excercise releases endorphins that will help you feel better. It is scientifically proven that you will have less craves and less severe craves AND a larger number of you droolers will stay quit. Thor's Pajammer is correct with meditation, check out what meditation does to brain chemistry as well. Its all the same , help yourself and take a walk.

As Forest Gump says thats all I have to say about that. Sorry for the long post, I hope it helps. It is really just a collection of things I've picked up from those who helped me. Some is from posts you'll find if you dig hard enough. One day at a time buttercups. If I can do it so can you. Now seriously put the pickle down and buy a ab roller.

Quitting can really be the easiest hard thing you'll ever do. Or it can be the hardest easy thing. Depends on how you flip the switch in your mind.

sM