aggieheismanziel

[Lipizzaner]

Aggie - you knew this was coming, and you knew it was fully deserved. A part of me -- increasingly diminishing -- believes that you want to do better, which basically means throwing out your playbook from your first hundred days and figuring out how to own your quit. Pope hit the nail on the head: your cave was a donkey kick to the nuts, particularly since we first connected on chat when you were flirting with joining the site some hundred plus days ago. We PM'ed, exchanged numbers, and I brought you into a text group of solid quitters. Generally speaking, you were a good participant in the text group -- maybe not starting new conversation threads, but not being completely AWOL either. You've had a lot going on in your life -- I get that -- but it's not an excuse. I promise that every single damn person that's posted to your intro page has had some sort of stress in their life over the last hundred days, but stress is different for everyone and it's absurd to say "but mine was worse". I also guarantee that these same guys -- and they're badass on a scale that you  I can't fathom, by the way -- have had plenty of opportunities to consume nic carelessly in the past hundred days, myself included.

You said you were going to post answers to the three questions, start posting religiously in both May and August, and commit yourself to a new, no-bullshit quit. Let's be honest: I had to draw it out of you, after someone mentioned that you hadn't posted for several days. If you're serious about this, I'm here to support you, even if I take a shellacking from seasoned vets and guys in May  August for doing so. Each of us has to own our personal quits, however, and not rely entirely on others to babysit them along the way. Support is one thing, but no one here can make you post roll every day, just as no one can prevent you from consuming nic in some form or fashion.

I'm sorry I let you down -- your cave has me rethinking everything in terms of who to support, how to do so, and what I can realistically expect of the effort. Good luck and I hope you determine what's best for you.

Why...in the hell would you apologize to him? You let HIM down? Totally don't get that line of thinking.

The bottom line is there are some people you just can't help. You will run across them here. Unfortunately, you will waste a lot of time on someone who will fuck you the first time his friends show up with some smokes at a pool party. That ain't your fault. It's not your problem. LOOT totally gets that you take it personally. How it bums you to no end. However, try not to think of it in those terms. Try and see the big picture. We are all addicts. We are all walking that tightrope. You lose concentration for 1 second...you die. There is no safety net. There are no do overs. Get that notion out of your head for good.

Aggie is a cancer. A cancer this site doesn't need. There are places for him. This just ain't one.

LOOT, for one, is sick of the ball coddling that goes on here sometimes. Fuck that. That's not how we work. We make a daily pledge. We honor that pledge, no matter what. We may be a lot of things. We may be low down dirty rotten assholes in all aspects of life...but we are not LIARS here. Lie to whoever the fuck you want, whenever you want, but you won't fucking lie to LOOT here and get away with it. LOOT takes this shit extremely personally because the personal stakes are high.

If you so much as think about fucking lying to LOOT...get the fuck out now. Save yourself the brow beating and save LOOT's blood pressure. If you are not with us...you are against us and we have no tolerance for your bullshit.

Quitsmokeless.org

Go let Flav stroke your sack Aggie. He deserves the dregs of quit. He keeps his doors open on our rejects.

Loot- Krusty has a lot invested in Aggie. I think he is trying hard to get Aggie to stick around. Everyone in our quit group has something invested in him to some degree. Your post is a good reminder that just like no one was ever able to convince us to quit, (everyone here is on this site for one reason- we made the decision to quit, our wives or mommies couldn't make us do it) we can't convince Aggie to quit.
I was trying to motivate the dude with some ball busting, but after more than a day of waiting for him to post something of substance, and then reading your post here, I am convinced he is not worth the effort. Whatever energy we have expended in him is a sunk cost, don't invest any more. Even if he wants to be here, I don't give a shit anymore.
With all the talk about quitsmokeless.org or whatever it is, I went and checked that site out. What a trip. Its for losers and pussy half-assers. Aggie will thrive there.

[tarpon17]

While you running erands and shit today, stop by the admin office at AM and make sure you get your tuition back because you damn sure didnt' pick up on the integrity and character they teach there.

no shit!

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[RAZD611]

While you running erands and shit today, stop by the admin office at AM and make sure you get your tuition back because you damn sure didnt' pick up on the integrity and character they teach there.

[30isEnuff]

Aggie - you knew this was coming, and you knew it was fully deserved. A part of me -- increasingly diminishing -- believes that you want to do better, which basically means throwing out your playbook from your first hundred days and figuring out how to own your quit. Pope hit the nail on the head: your cave was a donkey kick to the nuts, particularly since we first connected on chat when you were flirting with joining the site some hundred plus days ago. We PM'ed, exchanged numbers, and I brought you into a text group of solid quitters. Generally speaking, you were a good participant in the text group -- maybe not starting new conversation threads, but not being completely AWOL either. You've had a lot going on in your life -- I get that -- but it's not an excuse. I promise that every single damn person that's posted to your intro page has had some sort of stress in their life over the last hundred days, but stress is different for everyone and it's absurd to say "but mine was worse". I also guarantee that these same guys -- and they're badass on a scale that you  I can't fathom, by the way -- have had plenty of opportunities to consume nic carelessly in the past hundred days, myself included.

You said you were going to post answers to the three questions, start posting religiously in both May and August, and commit yourself to a new, no-bullshit quit. Let's be honest: I had to draw it out of you, after someone mentioned that you hadn't posted for several days. If you're serious about this, I'm here to support you, even if I take a shellacking from seasoned vets and guys in May  August for doing so. Each of us has to own our personal quits, however, and not rely entirely on others to babysit them along the way. Support is one thing, but no one here can make you post roll every day, just as no one can prevent you from consuming nic in some form or fashion.

I'm sorry I let you down -- your cave has me rethinking everything in terms of who to support, how to do so, and what I can realistically expect of the effort. Good luck and I hope you determine what's best for you.

Why...in the hell would you apologize to him? You let HIM down? Totally don't get that line of thinking.

The bottom line is there are some people you just can't help. You will run across them here. Unfortunately, you will waste a lot of time on someone who will fuck you the first time his friends show up with some smokes at a pool party. That ain't your fault. It's not your problem. LOOT totally gets that you take it personally. How it bums you to no end. However, try not to think of it in those terms. Try and see the big picture. We are all addicts. We are all walking that tightrope. You lose concentration for 1 second...you die. There is no safety net. There are no do overs. Get that notion out of your head for good.

Aggie is a cancer. A cancer this site doesn't need. There are places for him. This just ain't one.

LOOT, for one, is sick of the ball coddling that goes on here sometimes. Fuck that. That's not how we work. We make a daily pledge. We honor that pledge, no matter what. We may be a lot of things. We may be low down dirty rotten assholes in all aspects of life...but we are not LIARS here. Lie to whoever the fuck you want, whenever you want, but you won't fucking lie to LOOT here and get away with it. LOOT takes this shit extremely personally because the personal stakes are high.

If you so much as think about fucking lying to LOOT...get the fuck out now. Save yourself the brow beating and save LOOT's blood pressure. If you are not with us...you are against us and we have no tolerance for your bullshit.

Quitsmokeless.org

Go let Flav stroke your sack Aggie. He deserves the dregs of quit. He keeps his doors open on our rejects.

Loot taught me:

post roll
keep your word
wake and repeat....

and....
Never ever Forget my Day1.

It works, period

[loot]

Aggie - you knew this was coming, and you knew it was fully deserved. A part of me -- increasingly diminishing -- believes that you want to do better, which basically means throwing out your playbook from your first hundred days and figuring out how to own your quit. Pope hit the nail on the head: your cave was a donkey kick to the nuts, particularly since we first connected on chat when you were flirting with joining the site some hundred plus days ago. We PM'ed, exchanged numbers, and I brought you into a text group of solid quitters. Generally speaking, you were a good participant in the text group -- maybe not starting new conversation threads, but not being completely AWOL either. You've had a lot going on in your life -- I get that -- but it's not an excuse. I promise that every single damn person that's posted to your intro page has had some sort of stress in their life over the last hundred days, but stress is different for everyone and it's absurd to say "but mine was worse". I also guarantee that these same guys -- and they're badass on a scale that you  I can't fathom, by the way -- have had plenty of opportunities to consume nic carelessly in the past hundred days, myself included.

You said you were going to post answers to the three questions, start posting religiously in both May and August, and commit yourself to a new, no-bullshit quit. Let's be honest: I had to draw it out of you, after someone mentioned that you hadn't posted for several days. If you're serious about this, I'm here to support you, even if I take a shellacking from seasoned vets and guys in May  August for doing so. Each of us has to own our personal quits, however, and not rely entirely on others to babysit them along the way. Support is one thing, but no one here can make you post roll every day, just as no one can prevent you from consuming nic in some form or fashion.

I'm sorry I let you down -- your cave has me rethinking everything in terms of who to support, how to do so, and what I can realistically expect of the effort. Good luck and I hope you determine what's best for you.

Why...in the hell would you apologize to him? You let HIM down? Totally don't get that line of thinking.

The bottom line is there are some people you just can't help. You will run across them here. Unfortunately, you will waste a lot of time on someone who will fuck you the first time his friends show up with some smokes at a pool party. That ain't your fault. It's not your problem. LOOT totally gets that you take it personally. How it bums you to no end. However, try not to think of it in those terms. Try and see the big picture. We are all addicts. We are all walking that tightrope. You lose concentration for 1 second...you die. There is no safety net. There are no do overs. Get that notion out of your head for good.

Aggie is a cancer. A cancer this site doesn't need. There are places for him. This just ain't one.

LOOT, for one, is sick of the ball coddling that goes on here sometimes. Fuck that. That's not how we work. We make a daily pledge. We honor that pledge, no matter what. We may be a lot of things. We may be low down dirty rotten assholes in all aspects of life...but we are not LIARS here. Lie to whoever the fuck you want, whenever you want, but you won't fucking lie to LOOT here and get away with it. LOOT takes this shit extremely personally because the personal stakes are high.

If you so much as think about fucking lying to LOOT...get the fuck out now. Save yourself the brow beating and save LOOT's blood pressure. If you are not with us...you are against us and we have no tolerance for your bullshit.

Quitsmokeless.org

Go let Flav stroke your sack Aggie. He deserves the dregs of quit. He keeps his doors open on our rejects.

[Krusty]

Aggie - you knew this was coming, and you knew it was fully deserved. A part of me -- increasingly diminishing -- believes that you want to do better, which basically means throwing out your playbook from your first hundred days and figuring out how to own your quit. Pope hit the nail on the head: your cave was a donkey kick to the nuts, particularly since we first connected on chat when you were flirting with joining the site some hundred plus days ago. We PM'ed, exchanged numbers, and I brought you into a text group of solid quitters. Generally speaking, you were a good participant in the text group -- maybe not starting new conversation threads, but not being completely AWOL either. You've had a lot going on in your life -- I get that -- but it's not an excuse. I promise that every single damn person that's posted to your intro page has had some sort of stress in their life over the last hundred days, but stress is different for everyone and it's absurd to say "but mine was worse". I also guarantee that these same guys -- and they're badass on a scale that you  I can't fathom, by the way -- have had plenty of opportunities to consume nic carelessly in the past hundred days, myself included.

You said you were going to post answers to the three questions, start posting religiously in both May and August, and commit yourself to a new, no-bullshit quit. Let's be honest: I had to draw it out of you, after someone mentioned that you hadn't posted for several days. If you're serious about this, I'm here to support you, even if I take a shellacking from seasoned vets and guys in May  August for doing so. Each of us has to own our personal quits, however, and not rely entirely on others to babysit them along the way. Support is one thing, but no one here can make you post roll every day, just as no one can prevent you from consuming nic in some form or fashion.

I'm sorry I let you down -- your cave has me rethinking everything in terms of who to support, how to do so, and what I can realistically expect of the effort. Good luck and I hope you determine what's best for you.

[E&C's Dad]

Realize you May quitters are pissed with one of your own. It's worth calling out that he didn't lie. He owned up albeit with few words why and moved from May to August. Could have been handled differently with more favorable results. As a new quitter who realizes KTC support is propping me up daily, I'm fine with him coming back. If he's man enough to post roll AND get more involved... Time will tell.

Done4, I appreciate your view. You should welcome him if he posts roll and gets involved. That does not give him a pass on what he has done to desecrate the sanctity of our May brotherhood. HE TEXTED SEVERAL GUYS TO TELL THEM HE CAVED! Why couldn't he do that before he caved?!
We are all glad that he is still here and still trying to quit, although I couldn't find him on the august roll this morning. That said, we are all very upset that he let his brothers down and himself after all that he went through. Obviously, the reason was that he was not heavily vested in the site. From what I see of you so far, Done4, you are more vested already than he was at 104 days.
All in all, he still needs to answer the 3 questions.

Let everyone, new and veteran, take this lesson. If your are not involved, and not posting roll daily, more than likely a cave is coming your way. You only get out what you put in!

Hey Done4 you have 65 posts as of right now. He has 72 after 105+days. You're working it the way it is supposed to be worked. He did not, despite having the same resources available to him as you do. And despite his having the good fortune to be in a text group of some of the strongest quitters in recent times right there with him daily.

I think Done4Me is doing great, but one more nit pick with his defense of Aggie- He does not get any credit for not lying about his cave. Being honest about caving is the bare minimum expected of a member. If he had lied about his cave and continued to post roll, he would no longer be a member here. So let's not start blowing him because "he didn't lie".
I hope you get him involved and he becomes a quitter.

Done4 keep doing what you are doing. As for Aggie this fucking intro is a train wreck we can't want it more than him. He has posted only 2x in 3 pages and neither post were answers to the three questions. IF HE DOESN'T CARE ENOUGH TO RESPOND HERE FORGET HIM. There are other new quitters who need us and have not let us down. I will believe it when he gets to 100 days as a 100% roll poster. Until then I am done with this poser!

[Lipizzaner]

Realize you May quitters are pissed with one of your own. It's worth calling out that he didn't lie. He owned up albeit with few words why and moved from May to August. Could have been handled differently with more favorable results. As a new quitter who realizes KTC support is propping me up daily, I'm fine with him coming back. If he's man enough to post roll AND get more involved... Time will tell.

Done4, I appreciate your view. You should welcome him if he posts roll and gets involved. That does not give him a pass on what he has done to desecrate the sanctity of our May brotherhood. HE TEXTED SEVERAL GUYS TO TELL THEM HE CAVED! Why couldn't he do that before he caved?!
We are all glad that he is still here and still trying to quit, although I couldn't find him on the august roll this morning. That said, we are all very upset that he let his brothers down and himself after all that he went through. Obviously, the reason was that he was not heavily vested in the site. From what I see of you so far, Done4, you are more vested already than he was at 104 days.
All in all, he still needs to answer the 3 questions.

Let everyone, new and veteran, take this lesson. If your are not involved, and not posting roll daily, more than likely a cave is coming your way. You only get out what you put in!

Hey Done4 you have 65 posts as of right now. He has 72 after 105+days. You're working it the way it is supposed to be worked. He did not, despite having the same resources available to him as you do. And despite his having the good fortune to be in a text group of some of the strongest quitters in recent times right there with him daily.

I think Done4Me is doing great, but one more nit pick with his defense of Aggie- He does not get any credit for not lying about his cave. Being honest about caving is the bare minimum expected of a member. If he had lied about his cave and continued to post roll, he would no longer be a member here. So let's not start blowing him because "he didn't lie".
I hope you get him involved and he becomes a quitter.

[brettlees]

Realize you May quitters are pissed with one of your own. It's worth calling out that he didn't lie. He owned up albeit with few words why and moved from May to August. Could have been handled differently with more favorable results. As a new quitter who realizes KTC support is propping me up daily, I'm fine with him coming back. If he's man enough to post roll AND get more involved... Time will tell.

Done4, I appreciate your view. You should welcome him if he posts roll and gets involved. That does not give him a pass on what he has done to desecrate the sanctity of our May brotherhood. HE TEXTED SEVERAL GUYS TO TELL THEM HE CAVED! Why couldn't he do that before he caved?!
We are all glad that he is still here and still trying to quit, although I couldn't find him on the august roll this morning. That said, we are all very upset that he let his brothers down and himself after all that he went through. Obviously, the reason was that he was not heavily vested in the site. From what I see of you so far, Done4, you are more vested already than he was at 104 days.
All in all, he still needs to answer the 3 questions.

Let everyone, new and veteran, take this lesson. If your are not involved, and not posting roll daily, more than likely a cave is coming your way. You only get out what you put in!

Hey Done4 you have 65 posts as of right now. He has 72 after 105+days. You're working it the way it is supposed to be worked. He did not, despite having the same resources available to him as you do. And despite his having the good fortune to be in a text group of some of the strongest quitters in recent times right there with him daily.

[Sh4string]

Realize you May quitters are pissed with one of your own. It's worth calling out that he didn't lie. He owned up albeit with few words why and moved from May to August. Could have been handled differently with more favorable results. As a new quitter who realizes KTC support is propping me up daily, I'm fine with him coming back. If he's man enough to post roll AND get more involved... Time will tell.

Done4, I appreciate your view. You should welcome him if he posts roll and gets involved. That does not give him a pass on what he has done to desecrate the sanctity of our May brotherhood. HE TEXTED SEVERAL GUYS TO TELL THEM HE CAVED! Why couldn't he do that before he caved?!
We are all glad that he is still here and still trying to quit, although I couldn't find him on the august roll this morning. That said, we are all very upset that he let his brothers down and himself after all that he went through. Obviously, the reason was that he was not heavily vested in the site. From what I see of you so far, Done4, you are more vested already than he was at 104 days.
All in all, he still needs to answer the 3 questions.

Let everyone, new and veteran, take this lesson. If your are not involved, and not posting roll daily, more than likely a cave is coming your way. You only get out what you put in!

[Doc Chewfree]

Realize you May quitters are pissed with one of your own. It's worth calling out that he didn't lie. He owned up albeit with few words why and moved from May to August. Could have been handled differently with more favorable results. As a new quitter who realizes KTC support is propping me up daily, I'm fine with him coming back. If he's man enough to post roll AND get more involved... Time will tell.

Done4, I appreciate your view. You should welcome him if he posts roll and gets involved. That does not give him a pass on what he has done to desecrate the sanctity of our May brotherhood. HE TEXTED SEVERAL GUYS TO TELL THEM HE CAVED! Why couldn't he do that before he caved?!
We are all glad that he is still here and still trying to quit, although I couldn't find him on the august roll this morning. That said, we are all very upset that he let his brothers down and himself after all that he went through. Obviously, the reason was that he was not heavily vested in the site. From what I see of you so far, Done4, you are more vested already than he was at 104 days.
All in all, he still needs to answer the 3 questions.

[Thumblewort]

It's his attitude Done4Me that is ticking us off. People cave and come back, and as long as they answer the 3 questions and dedicate themselves to their quit, they will be accepted again.

Take his post count, he hit the HoF with less than 100 posts? That tells me he is a part-time stopper, and his cave was to be expected. The KTC resource is right here for all of us, but there is a level of accountability that comes with using the resource. I hope Aggie decides to use the resource better, but the ball is in his court now.

[Done4Me]

Realize you May quitters are pissed with one of your own. It's worth calling out that he didn't lie. He owned up albeit with few words why and moved from May to August. Could have been handled differently with more favorable results. As a new quitter who realizes KTC support is propping me up daily, I'm fine with him coming back. If he's man enough to post roll AND get more involved... Time will tell.

[rothstein57]

aggieheismanziel - day 56 made it through the weekend. quit with krusty and jchat1988

Aggie- did you see these old vets who are blowing up our quit group with that same old tired song? Well it's not directed at those of us who post roll. It's directed at half-assers like you.
So why don't you address the fact that you missed roll 4 out of the last 5 days, then show up on Monday and say you "made it through the weekend".
When I woke up today I did not think to myself "holy shit, I made it". Because I am not skating around the edge of the cliff. You're on day 56, and you're saying "made it through the weekend"?
Why aren't you posting roll? Do you want to stay quit?
If you don't give a shit, why are you even bothering to post roll today?

Half-assers = eventual cavers

Aggie, if you spent half the energy on this site that these fine gentlemen have that are telling you off, you might get it. Like slug said, many of us have "had a few beers" and not caved. I spent a drunk weekend with two smokers and 3 chewers and never even thought about caving. Why? Because I came here and learned how to be quit.
What have you learned?

Why am I not surprised? I had you pegged for a caver from the halfway point on. You were a half-assed poster anyways and you never got involved, so why don't you just show yourself to the door?

[brettlees]

aggieheismanziel - day 56 made it through the weekend. quit with krusty and jchat1988

Aggie- did you see these old vets who are blowing up our quit group with that same old tired song? Well it's not directed at those of us who post roll. It's directed at half-assers like you.
So why don't you address the fact that you missed roll 4 out of the last 5 days, then show up on Monday and say you "made it through the weekend".
When I woke up today I did not think to myself "holy shit, I made it". Because I am not skating around the edge of the cliff. You're on day 56, and you're saying "made it through the weekend"?
Why aren't you posting roll? Do you want to stay quit?
If you don't give a shit, why are you even bothering to post roll today?

Half-assers = eventual cavers

Aggie, if you spent half the energy on this site that these fine gentlemen have that are telling you off, you might get it. Like slug said, many of us have "had a few beers" and not caved. I spent a drunk weekend with two smokers and 3 chewers and never even thought about caving. Why? Because I came here and learned how to be quit.
What have you learned?

aggie - I don't know if you really know how much your cave affected me. You earned a whole, big, way too long entry in my intro. I can't wait to read your three answers. I hope you have spent so much time thinking about the answers that I actually get some insight into your cave and you can again contribute to my quit.

just another who was around for over 3 months and did not pay one bit of attention to what we teach here.

One needs to get serious and look inside oneself if you are to be a person whose word can be honored and worth it.

Warnings all over the place- watch out around HOF many caves. Beware of alcohol. Post every day. There's no excuse for this cave. There is a reason- failed to learn, as Sir D points out. I have no time for someone who puts almost no effort into a life and death situation and harms others in the process of being a fool. Please go away until you mean it. This is to big a deal and you have been taking up space.