Hiya Folks

[brettlees]

Soot guess go ahead and be the dickhead here. You can reach deep down and get this shit done if you will quit believing the only way all this gets better is by dipping! You're an addict just like all of us. Stay one step ahead of the nic bitch. Don't be fussing at anyone but your damn self , they didn't put the shit in your mouth. You aren't having any harder time than I did, I finally decided how bad I wanted this, anxiety, rage hell I still have some 564 days later, but you can bet your ass I know NICOTINE is why I'm like this and more than likely you also. What I'm saying, you will not die, kill anyone or beat anyone's ass unless you and only you willfully choose to. Walk off, be a man , keep your mouth shut and picture yourself with people you love starring at half a jaw. Just by God do it, I promise you, you can. By the way if you're pissed at me good, keep your mind occupied! Quit on bitch! By the way pm me fir my number, I love fighting verbally if you need it. Actually would love supporting you every day. NICOTINE is the problem, not the solution, learn to hate it!

Gotta say i agree with pab here. The difference this place gives is the support and the knowledge,but you won't make it until you have the will. And let me tell you, the suck and the fog were terrible, but quitting is the best thing i've ever done, and the misery i had to go through is a big part of what keeps me clean now - i NEVER want to go through that again.

Quite simply, you have to just quit, want it enough to get through it minute by minute. The minutes stack up in time and become day by day. And that's the secret. The craves still come, and you just learn to deal with them once you have build a strong quit.

Take all the support offered here- if you lean on these guys they can help you carry the load. It's how we all do it.

[pab1964]

Soot guess go ahead and be the dickhead here. You can reach deep down and get this shit done if you will quit believing the only way all this gets better is by dipping! You're an addict just like all of us. Stay one step ahead of the nic bitch. Don't be fussing at anyone but your damn self , they didn't put the shit in your mouth. You aren't having any harder time than I did, I finally decided how bad I wanted this, anxiety, rage hell I still have some 564 days later, but you can bet your ass I know NICOTINE is why I'm like this and more than likely you also. What I'm saying, you will not die, kill anyone or beat anyone's ass unless you and only you willfully choose to. Walk off, be a man , keep your mouth shut and picture yourself with people you love starring at half a jaw. Just by God do it, I promise you, you can. By the way if you're pissed at me good, keep your mind occupied! Quit on bitch! By the way pm me fir my number, I love fighting verbally if you need it. Actually would love supporting you every day. NICOTINE is the problem, not the solution, learn to hate it!

[soot]

Saw the doc this morning.

Started on a couple different medications.

Something called Lexapro which is an SSRI used to treat anxiety in adults. It's supposed to be a long term thing that I'll be on for 5 or 6 months, but it takes a couple weeks to build up in the system before it starts showing results/benefits.

In the mean time he's got me on Xanax up to twice a day which if I'm not mistaken is a fast-acting anti-anxiety med.

I've been on the both for about an hour now and neither is really helping at all with the cravings I'm having, I'm just spitting seeds to help with that.

I do feel "calmer", like I don't want to choke anyone and I'm not slamming my fists on the table.

Much more what I usually feel like.

I mean, I'm a librarian after all, not a UFC prize fighter. I don't ordinarily go around looking to start shit with people.

[FISHFLORIDA]

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.

I plan on incorporating all of them.

I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.

We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.

But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.

I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.

Never underestimate the power of cold turkey quit. Trust me when I tell you, once you go through it, you won't forget it. No meds to mask the suck. The suck has truly made me hate nicotine. If you think the meds will help, go for it, but never forget that nicotine owns you right now and the meds just make you forget that. Grab hold of your peaches, drink lotsa water, chew sunflower seeds until there's a hole in your cheek. It will get better.

I'm gonna disagree with Fish quite a bit here...

For some people... meds are a legit method/need in quitting. To imply that a quit isn't true, or is less, because of meds, isn't quite correct. To imply that meds mask the suck, isn't quite correct. There are a TON of vets here that have a comma hanging off their number because they weren't afraid to get a little help when they needed it. +1's matter... not the method. It all evens out in the end.

Soot... do what you gotta do, bro. As long as it keeps you nicotine free... it's all good. Don't let anybody devalue your path to freedom.

Apple is right. What I should have written is that it didn't work for me. The meds made me feel like I could quit anytime and I went back, which was all on me. To each his own. No matter how you quit, stay quit and I'll quit with you!
Peace brothers.

[AppleJack]

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.

I plan on incorporating all of them.

I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.

We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.

But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.

I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.

Never underestimate the power of cold turkey quit. Trust me when I tell you, once you go through it, you won't forget it. No meds to mask the suck. The suck has truly made me hate nicotine. If you think the meds will help, go for it, but never forget that nicotine owns you right now and the meds just make you forget that. Grab hold of your peaches, drink lotsa water, chew sunflower seeds until there's a hole in your cheek. It will get better.

I'm gonna disagree with Fish quite a bit here...

For some people... meds are a legit method/need in quitting. To imply that a quit isn't true, or is less, because of meds, isn't quite correct. To imply that meds mask the suck, isn't quite correct. There are a TON of vets here that have a comma hanging off their number because they weren't afraid to get a little help when they needed it. +1's matter... not the method. It all evens out in the end.

Soot... do what you gotta do, bro. As long as it keeps you nicotine free... it's all good. Don't let anybody devalue your path to freedom.

[FISHFLORIDA]

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.

I plan on incorporating all of them.

I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.

We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.

But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.

I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.

Never underestimate the power of cold turkey quit. Trust me when I tell you, once you go through it, you won't forget it. No meds to mask the suck. The suck has truly made me hate nicotine. If you think the meds will help, go for it, but never forget that nicotine owns you right now and the meds just make you forget that. Grab hold of your peaches, drink lotsa water, chew sunflower seeds until there's a hole in your cheek. It will get better.

[soot]

Thanks for all of the suggestions guys.

I plan on incorporating all of them.

I also have an appointment with my doc tomorrow morning at 7:15.

We've spoken about meds, Chantix and/or Zyban, as a nic cessation aide in the past and his thinking is that, while it's very helpful for smokers, the benefits in smokeless tobacco cessation are minimal at best.

But I figure maybe I go by and hit him up for a prescription to something that will just calm me down for a couple of hours.

I'll lay out the whole story for him and see what he thinks.

[Jlud007]

Hey Soot your getting some great ideas from some strong quitters, the first few days suck ass no doubt about it, be honest with your wife tell her how difficult the withdrawals are just try not to take it out on her. You've gotten some great advice here from calling someone on the site (no doubt you've gotten some numbers already) to mediatation and exercise. 2 things you need to remember most of all is that you only have to go through this shit once if you stick with it, nothing is happening that nicotine will solve you'll only fall back into the circle jerk of dip, withdraw, repeat. What i'm trying to say is doesn't matter what you find works for you right now just keep your promise today, you'll thank yourself later trust me. If you need help or someone to talk to PM me and i'll be glad to help anyway I can.

[wildirish317]

Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.

What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.

No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.

But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.

Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.

I HAVE to be at the party.

I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.

What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.

I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.

I don't want your "opinion".

I want advice based on experience.

If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.

How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?

Thanks.

Fair enough...

That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.

Do you have any phone numbers? Of both veterans like pab/applejack but especially guys in your October group? I cannot begin to express how key this is. Step away when you feel the rage coming on. Call someone that gets it. They/we will listen and get it. It will diffuse. And in retrospect you'll probably make a friend and get a laugh.

Try this. Before the party work out. Workout as hard as you can and as long as you can. Hard to work up much anger when you're dragging your ass around because you are exhausted. Second tell all the adults at the party that you are quitting. Should help add to your own accountability plus it won't be as awkward if you're a bit of a sick to people. Lastly suck it up for a few hours then vent afterward.

We'll keep throwing stuff at you, maybe something will stick. Meditation, (that's a link, click on it) may help. I don't think you'll have time to practice it before the weekend, but it helps me, still.

Deep breaths, count to 10, just realize you are getting upset helps. I'm a rager. When you get a chance, come to your group's roll page and start some shite. Just rage, about the suck, about vets on KTC, whatever. It helps. I know.

Just keep in mind that your anger issues will be there whether you are quitting or not. You might as well stay quit and work on the anger.

[Dagranger]

Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.

What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.

No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.

But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.

Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.

I HAVE to be at the party.

I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.

What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.

I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.

I don't want your "opinion".

I want advice based on experience.

If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.

How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?

Thanks.

Fair enough...

That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.

Do you have any phone numbers? Of both veterans like pab/applejack but especially guys in your October group? I cannot begin to express how key this is. Step away when you feel the rage coming on. Call someone that gets it. They/we will listen and get it. It will diffuse. And in retrospect you'll probably make a friend and get a laugh.

Try this. Before the party work out. Workout as hard as you can and as long as you can. Hard to work up much anger when you're dragging your ass around because you are exhausted. Second tell all the adults at the party that you are quitting. Should help add to your own accountability plus it won't be as awkward if you're a bit of a sick to people. Lastly suck it up for a few hours then vent afterward.

[worktowin]

Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.

What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.

No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.

But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.

Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.

I HAVE to be at the party.

I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.

What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.

I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.

I don't want your "opinion".

I want advice based on experience.

If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.

How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?

Thanks.

Fair enough...

That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.

Do you have any phone numbers? Of both veterans like pab/applejack but especially guys in your October group? I cannot begin to express how key this is. Step away when you feel the rage coming on. Call someone that gets it. They/we will listen and get it. It will diffuse. And in retrospect you'll probably make a friend and get a laugh.

[AppleJack]

Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.

What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.

No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.

But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.

Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.

I HAVE to be at the party.

I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.

What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.

I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.

I don't want your "opinion".

I want advice based on experience.

If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.

How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?

Thanks.

Fair enough...

That's a legit weight pulling you down. Personally... I can't speak to the rage. It never hit me like it does some guys. However... that crawl out of your skin anxiety is something I know very well. The tricky part here is that every person's level of tolerance is soooo different. Some need a med to take the edge off and, bro, there is nothing wrong with a bit of an assist in that regard. For me... I faked it. Faked it til my damn teeth hurt. Plaster on a smile, grit your teeth, and engage in the moment. At the front of my mind I kept in constant replay the fact that nobody... NOBODY... deserved the outpouring of what was going on in my head or body. I kept myself manic busy for a week or 2 and then... it just faded. You don't HAVE to blow up... that's full on a choice you can make. If you feel it slipping... go recoup by yourself for 5 or 10 minutes. Tell your wife exactly what's happening... make that your decompress plan. Having a plan... having an out... is a big thing. It keeps you in the driver's seat.

[pab1964]

Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.

Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.

Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.

Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.

Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.

She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.

I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.

We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.

We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.

Dude...

You pro'ly don't even realize how many times in the above statement that you've set in motion excuses for you to give up and cave.

C'mon... don't be that guy... again.

You've come this far and THAT is badass. You're right on the edge of your body being free of nicotine. Use that victory as momentum to get through the next moment.

You're winning... it's not an easy win but you're doing it. You.

This is all part of you healing... relish it. Freedom comes at a price and this is it. Don't devalue yourself and fall back into slavery.

Be free...

^^^^^ great advice. Ever been outside during a storm when it is raining super hard. And you can't believe how bad the storm is. But then it clears up quickly and the rest of the day turns outpretty nice. If you're asked a few days later you don't remember it being so bad? That's sort of what quitting is like...only you are in the middle of the rain storm and we are all commenting after the rain has past. If quitting stayed as hard as you're having it now for the rest of your life, none of us would be quit. But because we all know the rain will pass we know things will get easier. Stick with this, regardless of what your wife thinks. You will be in the sunshine soon enough

Great advice, soot. First 3 days are when the physical part is at play. Nicotine is doing EVERYTHING possible to convince your body - your mouth, your arms, your legs, whatever... that you are going to die without it. Your body is quite literally fighting itself to get the fix. This part last 3 days. I quit for a day a thousand times. Each of those thousand days sucked Applejack/Dagranger ballsack. But you know what, I'll never have to taste those balls ever again. Wait, did I just say I know what their balls taste like? Uhhhhhh....

Anyway, long story short - you'll never have to relieve yesterday. You'll never have to relive today. Here we quit one day at a time, and this bullshit you are living through is not what life is gonna be like. None of us are bs-ing you. Life is soooooooooooo much better that you won't believe it. You can do this. Don't suck ballsacks over and over bro. Like Dagranger said, there is sunshine ahead. And you'll really like it.

Soot as told you before, walk off be a man! Now grab your sack and let's get this done! And I can tell by what you wrote, you Would have a can now if you hadn't been here. This shit works but you got to be balls deep or you will puss out! Get angry text and cuss me , I will Wade deep in this for you! You have a bunch of badass quitters fighting for you, DON'T give that up! I'm quitting right beside you today! Quit on!

[soot]

Guys, believe me, I DO appreciate all the rah rah, "you can do it", motivational talk.

What I actually need is practical advice for getting my anger and anxiety under control so I don't kick a four-year-old in to the pool, and then throw his father, my wife, and the BBQ grill in after him, set my house on fire, and get in to a gun battle with the police on the front lawn when they come to take me away.

No, I don't want to be "that guy" who caves after a week.

But at the same time, and equally as much, I don't want to be "that guy" who gets arrested at his kid's pool party for completely losing his shit, or, if maybe not arrested, I don't want to be "that guy" who completely embarrasses his wife and children and appalls the neighbors with completely inhuman behavior.

Now, of course I'm exaggerating here just a hair, but I hope y'all get what I'm asking.

I HAVE to be at the party.

I HAVE to conduct myself like a human being at the party.

What I need from y'all is practical advice - based on your experience - of how I can make that happen while maintaining my quit at the same time.

I don't need a bunch of moto "don't be a pussy" nonsense.

I don't want your "opinion".

I want advice based on experience.

If you haven't had the experience of having a REALLY tough time with anxiety, anger, and aggression - then please go find someplace else to share.

How did you deal with the anxiety, anger, and aggression of the early days of your quit when you had to be in situations where walking away or just not showing up wasn't as option?

Thanks.

[worktowin]

Day 2 was harder than day 1, and so far day 3 is shaping up to be harder than day 2.

Almost threw in the towel this morning and went to buy a can of Cope, but I didn't.

Sitting at my desk spitting seeds.

Bigg's dill pickle seeds, you (general, collective "you") ought to try them.

Wife is starting to get tired of the anxiety, short temper, whatnot.

She told me this morning that all of that isn't worth having me quit and to go to the store and buy a tin.

I didn't, but so much for a fucking support system.

We're having a party for my four-year-old's birthday on Saturday and if things don't get better by then I'm going to have to do something because I'm NOT behaving the way that I've been behaving for the past day and a half when I've got a house full of strangers and their kids.

We'll see how it goes though. I might be fine by Saturday and not have anything to worry about.

Dude...

You pro'ly don't even realize how many times in the above statement that you've set in motion excuses for you to give up and cave.

C'mon... don't be that guy... again.

You've come this far and THAT is badass. You're right on the edge of your body being free of nicotine. Use that victory as momentum to get through the next moment.

You're winning... it's not an easy win but you're doing it. You.

This is all part of you healing... relish it. Freedom comes at a price and this is it. Don't devalue yourself and fall back into slavery.

Be free...

^^^^^ great advice. Ever been outside during a storm when it is raining super hard. And you can't believe how bad the storm is. But then it clears up quickly and the rest of the day turns outpretty nice. If you're asked a few days later you don't remember it being so bad? That's sort of what quitting is like...only you are in the middle of the rain storm and we are all commenting after the rain has past. If quitting stayed as hard as you're having it now for the rest of your life, none of us would be quit. But because we all know the rain will pass we know things will get easier. Stick with this, regardless of what your wife thinks. You will be in the sunshine soon enough

Great advice, soot. First 3 days are when the physical part is at play. Nicotine is doing EVERYTHING possible to convince your body - your mouth, your arms, your legs, whatever... that you are going to die without it. Your body is quite literally fighting itself to get the fix. This part last 3 days. I quit for a day a thousand times. Each of those thousand days sucked Applejack/Dagranger ballsack. But you know what, I'll never have to taste those balls ever again. Wait, did I just say I know what their balls taste like? Uhhhhhh....

Anyway, long story short - you'll never have to relieve yesterday. You'll never have to relive today. Here we quit one day at a time, and this bullshit you are living through is not what life is gonna be like. None of us are bs-ing you. Life is soooooooooooo much better that you won't believe it. You can do this. Don't suck ballsacks over and over bro. Like Dagranger said, there is sunshine ahead. And you'll really like it.