Quit This Morning On Way Into Work

[MikeA]

I'm a day 11 quitter as well.  Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.

Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced.  At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?

Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive?  THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF. 

I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.

You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.

I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.

I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.

Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?

Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...

And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...

So, let's see YOUR plans...

Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.

My quit plan is very simple

Step #1, don't use nicotine
Step #2, see step #1

I have never made it to step 2.

Yes people, it really is that easy.

[rgross298]

I'm a day 11 quitter as well.  Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.

Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced.  At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?

Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive?  THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF. 

I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.

You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.

I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.

I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.

Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?

Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...

And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...

So, let's see YOUR plans...

Yo Doc,
This Loki guy posted his quit plan (or rather, his 'Retread plan') on the site for critique, as he approaches HOF status after self-admittedly stating he's been somewhat of a scourge on the site for multiple failures.
Personally, I liked his formalized retread plan, the only problem I had with it is step #7, as stated. Many others agreed, including one of your role models, MikeA, the dude with the badass titties avatar.
Bottom line, if you disagree there's no need to call me a 'hot shot' and stomp your feet and suggest that I don't have or like formalized 'plans'. Although I might change my title to 'Hot Shot' because I'm starting to dig it.

[Lochi21]

I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family.  They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.

THAT part made me physically shudder.

For what its worth I actually think this is a pretty sound plan. Sort of reminds me of the "Contract to Give Up". I'm with Gashboy on this one.

Who am I? A nobody. an 11 day in quitter. Still in the fog some days.

But I agree step 7 is a little questionable. ESPECIALLY that part where you tell your 8 year old son that you want him to chew with you some day...

Maybe it's some sort of sick thing to help you from caving. But I'd also add, this step of step 7 comes in AFTER they have to goto the store with you and watch you put a dip in your mouth.

Made me shudder too.

Quite literally, there is no response to this post. 'bang head'

[CoachDoc]

I'm a day 11 quitter as well.  Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.

Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced.  At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?

Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive?  THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF. 

I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.

You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.

I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.

I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.

Okay big shots...where's YOUR QUIT PLAN?

Bothered writing it yet? Too many quitter think this is a stupid idea and most don't bother taking the time to actually write one up...

And just like anything regarding this quit...or life, for that matter...PLANS CHANGE...if you can't or aren't willing to modify a plan as life around you changes, then you will fail...

So, let's see YOUR plans...

[KayakKurt]

I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.

Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?

Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.

I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.

You're day 11 too rgross? That means we'll have the same HOF date, I'm gonna keep my eye on you, and would love it if you do the same for me.

I'm also gonna keep my eye on this retarded quit p -- I mean retread quit plan.

I hope you stay quit, and that it never even comes close to step 7 in your quit plan.

[rgross298]

I'm a day 11 quitter as well. Pull up a stump and let me tell you why Step 7 sucks: IT GIVES YOU AN OUT, whether you are willing to believe that or not.

Ten years from now your kid will be 18 and you could be divorced. At that point, who gives a shit about step 7?

Do you not see why you can't have something like that be an incentive? THE ONLY INCENTIVE YOU HAVE IS YOURSELF.

I feel like Yoda when Luke tried to pull the stupid spaceship out of the bog then bailed; you will fail if you do not believe in yourself.

[KayakKurt]

I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family.  They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.

THAT part made me physically shudder.

For what its worth I actually think this is a pretty sound plan. Sort of reminds me of the "Contract to Give Up". I'm with Gashboy on this one.

Who am I? A nobody. an 11 day in quitter. Still in the fog some days.

But I agree step 7 is a little questionable. ESPECIALLY that part where you tell your 8 year old son that you want him to chew with you some day...

Maybe it's some sort of sick thing to help you from caving. But I'd also add, this step of step 7 comes in AFTER they have to goto the store with you and watch you put a dip in your mouth.

Made me shudder too.

[MikeA]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.

I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?

If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.

My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.

Your plan DOES include failure, it's not what I think, you wrote it in black and white. This is not up for discussion. Plain and simple, your step 7 says fail, have a dip, cave.
Every part of your plan was perfect up to that point.

I also seriously doubt you understand the point I am trying to make here so I guess we agree to disagree.

Mike, you've been key in my quit over the past 2 years, but I'm having a hard time understanding your distaste for his plan...I've seen you give people the Contract To Quit link...have we all forgotten the content therein?

Contract to Give Up


I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.

I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.

Signature: ____________________
Date: ____________________

This has been a cornerstone of the whole quit process for years - I don't see how it is very much different than the sentiment Lochi is trying to get across in HIS plan...I have a similar statement in my plan...also modeled on this...

Help me understand...I'm seeing his point but missing yours, too.

correct, I give the contract for quitters to read. You have never heard me tell some to sign it and give up.
Signing that contract is like caving...it's never an option.

[CoachDoc]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.

I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?

If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.

My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.

Your plan DOES include failure, it's not what I think, you wrote it in black and white. This is not up for discussion. Plain and simple, your step 7 says fail, have a dip, cave.
Every part of your plan was perfect up to that point.

I also seriously doubt you understand the point I am trying to make here so I guess we agree to disagree.

Mike, you've been key in my quit over the past 2 years, but I'm having a hard time understanding your distaste for his plan...I've seen you give people the Contract To Quit link...have we all forgotten the content therein?

Contract to Give Up


I give up my quit. Quitting is impossible and I cannot do it. I love dipping more than I love myself. I care about dipping more than I care about my personal health. I love dipping more than I love my family. I know this addiction will kill me, and I ACCEPT that fact. I enjoy spending time alone with my can more than I enjoy spending time with anyone else on the planet. I look forward to losing my jaw, my tongue, my throat, my life - it's worth it. When I am lying in my hospital bed fighting a losing battle against cancer I will feel a sense of satisfaction knowing that this is the path I CHOSE. My only regret will be that I didn't start dipping earlier in life. I will feel sorrow for my familyÂ’s heartbreak and suffer untold pain, but I know you must sacrifice for the things you truly love.

I know ALL the consequences of my actions and I accept them fully and without regret. I hereby choose to give my life to this addiction - I do so with a smile on face.

Signature: ____________________
Date: ____________________

This has been a cornerstone of the whole quit process for years - I don't see how it is very much different than the sentiment Lochi is trying to get across in HIS plan...I have a similar statement in my plan...also modeled on this...

Help me understand...I'm seeing his point but missing yours, too.

[MikeA]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.

I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?

If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.

My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.

Your plan DOES include failure, it's not what I think, you wrote it in black and white. This is not up for discussion. Plain and simple, your step 7 says fail, have a dip, cave.
Every part of your plan was perfect up to that point.

I also seriously doubt you understand the point I am trying to make here so I guess we agree to disagree.

[theo3wood]

I have to sit down with my 8 year old son and tell him that Dad is a weak man who loves chewing tobacco more than he loves his family. They both need to accompany me to the gas station and watch me buy the tin and put a dip in my mouth. And lastly, I have to tell him how I want him to chew with me one day.

THAT part made me physically shudder.

For what its worth I actually think this is a pretty sound plan. Sort of reminds me of the "Contract to Give Up". I'm with Gashboy on this one.

[Lochi21]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.

I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?

If you don't understand that the plan I have created and the actions have taken make caving an impossibility then I will chalk it up to us being different people with different motivations and different ways of writing plans. 10 or 100 or 1,000 or 1,000,000 additional steps makes absolutely no difference.

My plan is solid - for me. I'm not changing it because someone thinks it includes failure because I seriously doubt you will ever understand the point I'm trying to convey. The good news is, there are others who understand the point of "burning the boat" and it has created a healthy discussion on quit plans.

[rgross298]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.

AND IN THE NAME OF GOD, MIKEA, CHANGE YOUR AVATAR, YOU'RE GIVING ME WOOD AT WORK!!!!

[Souliman]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.

I would put all the folks names in this thread as "steps" in this plan. That should at least push caving off a dozen or so steps right?

[MikeA]

What is caving?

It is step 7 of Lochi's quit plan. He claims that when all else fails he will dip. Problem is that he failed to list all else...he just took the easy road and listed caving as step 7.
There are a million other things I would do before caving but for Lochi, it's only 6.