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[waketech]

if she got to him she can get to you

I agree with everything you say but this....I will never again NOT FOR ANY REASON!!!

...unless you have a plan

copy that!

[bigwhitebeast]

if she got to him she can get to you

I agree with everything you say but this....I will never again NOT FOR ANY REASON!!!

...unless you have a plan

[waketech]

if she got to him she can get to you

I agree with everything you say but this....I will never again NOT FOR ANY REASON!!!

[bigwhitebeast]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

Get home.

Pathetic.

Try again.

Look at the original post. What on earth do you think would be on my mind? I don't see why you are trying to get under my skin here. Run this scenario in your head and ask if it is possible. Terrible news about your father just reached you and then you think "Hey, guess I can fix it with a dip" Think about how preposterous that sounds.

Now, think about the answer that I gave already. After getting the phone call I thought about family. I thought about driving 10 hours to my family. When I became fatigued I bought a can. It sat there as I described already. I used dip the same way that did before, to keep driving. Many people use chew on long rides and I was no exception. The chew didn't work. I had nothing left for the next 5 hours so I got a hotel.

Not sure anyone is trying to get under your skin... just trying to be real with you. You caved, are back posting roll... now everyone here wants you to succeed. Period.

However, Not sure if you realize that your answer about using dip to prolong your ability to stay awake does not make sense. Did you ever think of your quit? Did you ever think about reaching out to someone? Did you ever think of using your quit tools? Did you think about that at all? What went thru your head about this purchase  cave before it went down.

You said you caved because of a long drive home. After 100+ days you should have at least went thru a process and used your quit tools to prevent you from making such a poor decision. Doesn't sound like you did any of that.

Why didn't you just buy a soda or a cup of coffee. Get some seeds, or something else to keep you occupied during your ride. Why not buy some of the fake dip instead.

You have been around for a long time  should know better. As far as what you would do differently... Saying you don't like the taste anymore so I am good to go is not something to hang your hat on.

That is why folks are saying you probably need to work on your answer to number 3. You don't seem to have a plan at all Joe.

I am not here for an argument with anyone on this subject and although I have remained quit for many many days I think I can understand that Joe doesn't have that good answer that some are seeking.

The Nic bitch got Joe, she lured him in and he took the bait. I think you can ask him 100 times and he isn't going to have an answer that you like. His quit was young, he was probably in a "funky" area and then he got whacked with terrible news, and wham just like those stupid commercials with the devil on some dudes shoulder there she was trying to get him back and she did for a little bit.

I don't say any of this to get you to back off Joe, I mean Derk is right, why didn't you use your tools? I talk about this because I know Joe is a badass mother#$%^* and if she got to him she can get to you so have a plan when a similar situation hits you.

Above all realize that dip will NOT fix anything.

[Derk40]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

Get home.

Pathetic.

Try again.

Look at the original post. What on earth do you think would be on my mind? I don't see why you are trying to get under my skin here. Run this scenario in your head and ask if it is possible. Terrible news about your father just reached you and then you think "Hey, guess I can fix it with a dip" Think about how preposterous that sounds.

Now, think about the answer that I gave already. After getting the phone call I thought about family. I thought about driving 10 hours to my family. When I became fatigued I bought a can. It sat there as I described already. I used dip the same way that did before, to keep driving. Many people use chew on long rides and I was no exception. The chew didn't work. I had nothing left for the next 5 hours so I got a hotel.

Not sure anyone is trying to get under your skin... just trying to be real with you. You caved, are back posting roll... now everyone here wants you to succeed. Period.

However, Not sure if you realize that your answer about using dip to prolong your ability to stay awake does not make sense. Did you ever think of your quit? Did you ever think about reaching out to someone? Did you ever think of using your quit tools? Did you think about that at all? What went thru your head about this purchase  cave before it went down.

You said you caved because of a long drive home. After 100+ days you should have at least went thru a process and used your quit tools to prevent you from making such a poor decision. Doesn't sound like you did any of that.

Why didn't you just buy a soda or a cup of coffee. Get some seeds, or something else to keep you occupied during your ride. Why not buy some of the fake dip instead.

You have been around for a long time  should know better. As far as what you would do differently... Saying you don't like the taste anymore so I am good to go is not something to hang your hat on.

That is why folks are saying you probably need to work on your answer to number 3. You don't seem to have a plan at all Joe.

[Joemellow]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

Get home.

Pathetic.

Try again.

Look at the original post. What on earth do you think would be on my mind? I don't see why you are trying to get under my skin here. Run this scenario in your head and ask if it is possible. Terrible news about your father just reached you and then you think "Hey, guess I can fix it with a dip" Think about how preposterous that sounds.

Now, think about the answer that I gave already. After getting the phone call I thought about family. I thought about driving 10 hours to my family. When I became fatigued I bought a can. It sat there as I described already. I used dip the same way that did before, to keep driving. Many people use chew on long rides and I was no exception. The chew didn't work. I had nothing left for the next 5 hours so I got a hotel.

[AppleJack]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

Get home.

Pathetic.

Try again.

[Jlud007]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

Get home.

I could write a wall of text here analyzing the amount of bullshit in most of your answers Joe. I won't though.....that really isn't necessary.

The bottom line is Joe, I don't believe you....not even a little. Your cocky this time, your proud to be on day 8 again....it's all crap. We all have moments in our quit when we are tested, the difference between a quitter and a stopper....is that a quitter "decides" to reach out or do something to stay quit. A stopper goes ahead and talks themselves into another dip.

I am glad you are here, posting with your new group. The only question that really will matter in the long run is are you quitter this time?

[Joemellow]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

Get home.

[traumagnet]

Joe,
Can you give us a brief narrative of what you were thinking what you were feeling for a 100 miles with a can on your lap? There are a few of us that are having a very hard time processing that.

[Dougie]

Yes, I was proud of my 113. I was not cocky about it. I was well aware that I could cave at any time. Now, I'm less proud because I'm on day 8. I'm also much more cocky now. I had an experience with nicotine that I do not ever want to happen again. It's just like MThomas says. He hates it. He does not glamorize it. I now feel that I'm on the same page. It's funny, this morning I just seen a picture that my wife took awhile back with me and the kids in the front yard. I have an obvious fat lower lip and I was so happy with just how stupid I thought I looked.

Joe,

Be proud that you are on day 8; some people would have used the cave as an excuse to keep doing it. You picked yourself up, came clean with your wife and KTC, and you are back to quitting.

[Joemellow]

Yes, I was proud of my 113. I was not cocky about it. I was well aware that I could cave at any time. Now, I'm less proud because I'm on day 8. I'm also much more cocky now. I had an experience with nicotine that I do not ever want to happen again. It's just like MThomas says. He hates it. He does not glamorize it. I now feel that I'm on the same page. It's funny, this morning I just seen a picture that my wife took awhile back with me and the kids in the front yard. I have an obvious fat lower lip and I was so happy with just how stupid I thought I looked.

[30isEnuff]

For question #3 my answer was that I don't really feel that I have to do anything different. The whole 113 days I thought I missed nicotine and now I can see that I hate it. I bet you hate that answer.

You are right Joe, I don't like that answer. I do hope you hate tobacco, but obviously that wasn't the case throughout your first 100+ days. I agree with Zam, give it some real thought and build a *better* quit than the stop you had before...

I think we all fight differently. I have observed quitter who do not think its right to hold UST accountable for their addiction. Maybe that's fair and maybe that naive.

I have seen that the truly quit are the ones that don't glamorize nicotine. We have served nicotine, worshiped nicotine and loved nicotine.

If I had a shred of respect, love or understanding for that weed, my quit would have been a bigger battle.

I think that my quit didn't really become strong until I was pissed at what I became with her. Yeah I think my quit really was determined once I put enmity between me and her.

Hate isn't the ingredient for quit. Its more about honesty. The first step in overcoming addiction is in being honest. I am addicted to nicotine and I hate nicotine.

I fight a war to death when I protect my freedom and hate any product or person that thinks they can make me a subject!

Fuck Nicotine and Fuck what it made me and I HATE USTobacco and the product the fuckers sell. The secretly enslave children.

hey Joe,

On your day one you said:
"MOST IMPORTANLY is my goal to quit the nic."
1. you are not here by accident.
2. you obviously want to "be quit".
3. you forgot your "day one". You got proud and cocky...it helps to stay humble and accept you're really an addict for life.
I dipped for 30 years, come from a family of nic and alcohol addicts. Trust me, you can do this if you reeeeeaaaalllllyy want to. I find the only way to do this is ODAAT and staying active in my quit and this site.
Try and and do this for YOU and only you.
You really don't want to be on your cancer bed wishing you had more time on this earth.
Cheers.
Listen to Mthomas, T-Cell and the other men fighting the same war.

[Mthomas3824]

For question #3 my answer was that I don't really feel that I have to do anything different. The whole 113 days I thought I missed nicotine and now I can see that I hate it. I bet you hate that answer.

You are right Joe, I don't like that answer. I do hope you hate tobacco, but obviously that wasn't the case throughout your first 100+ days. I agree with Zam, give it some real thought and build a *better* quit than the stop you had before...

I think we all fight differently. I have observed quitter who do not think its right to hold UST accountable for their addiction. Maybe that's fair and maybe that naive.

I have seen that the truly quit are the ones that don't glamorize nicotine. We have served nicotine, worshiped nicotine and loved nicotine.

If I had a shred of respect, love or understanding for that weed, my quit would have been a bigger battle.

I think that my quit didn't really become strong until I was pissed at what I became with her. Yeah I think my quit really was determined once I put enmity between me and her.

Hate isn't the ingredient for quit. Its more about honesty. The first step in overcoming addiction is in being honest. I am addicted to nicotine and I hate nicotine.

I fight a war to death when I protect my freedom and hate any product or person that thinks they can make me a subject!

Fuck Nicotine and Fuck what it made me and I HATE USTobacco and the product the fuckers sell. The secretly enslave children.

[T-Cell]

For question #3 my answer was that I don't really feel that I have to do anything different. The whole 113 days I thought I missed nicotine and now I can see that I hate it. I bet you hate that answer.

You are right Joe, I don't like that answer. I do hope you hate tobacco, but obviously that wasn't the case throughout your first 100+ days. I agree with Zam, give it some real thought and build a *better* quit than the stop you had before...