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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #80 on: November 16, 2014, 07:22:00 PM »
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2014, 07:00:00 AM »
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NICE!!! Brooklyn in da house!!!!

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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2014, 10:25:00 PM »
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NICE!!! Brooklyn in da house!!!!

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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2014, 09:56:00 PM »
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NICE!!! Brooklyn in da house!!!!

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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2014, 01:48:00 PM »
Just wanted to share on my lunch break

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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2014, 08:13:00 AM »
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My position: tobacco companies want me addicted and want my money. They don't care if it kills me because they know I have three kids. They figure that they can probably snag one of them in their cobweb. Tobacco product manufacturers are my enemy. They are trying to slowly suck my money and health. Fuck them, they will hopefully rot in hell. I would celebrate if the sales and manufacturing of nicotine/tobacco products was outlawed worldwide. I could give a shit about free market economics when it comes to this product. It is a scourge on humanity. Thank goodness I have this KTC community to help keep me quit. I like the support and the no-nonsense attitude when it comes to failure. I believe this no-nonsense culture has strengthened my quit and will allow me to keep my victorious streak, currently at 356 days, intact for the rest of my life. The people who I've seen be resistant to going all in with the brotherhood/accountability aspect are the ones who fail and/or drift away.

My perception of your position: tobacco companies are just another company selling a product for adults to enjoy. They should be left alone to conduct business as normal because implementing measures to further restrict sales and availability would stray from the principles of a free market economy. Consumers do not need protection other than the warnings on the product labels, so they make their choice whether or not to use the product. Yes, even if they are addicted. Any resulting cancer they get is their own fault. To complain about their ailments is a failure to accept personal responsibility. And in some cases, such as Tony Gwynn, their cancer is not even caused by tobacco. There has never been a scientific study performed to show that salivary gland cancer can be caused by tobacco so it must mean that his cancer was just bad genetic luck. Brotherhood and accountability are cult-like aspects of KTC. Accountability should begin and end with posting roll. Posting roll is the only good part of KTC and is where accountability should begin and end. The cult like aspects of KTC are annoying. Trophy tins are fine. Admonishing quitters who display weaknesses consistent with previous reliable indicators of failure should not be allowed as how are we to know that that common failure indicator is not a source of strength for that particular person. These KTC quitters should keep their mouth shut when they see behaviors indicative of failure.

Pretty spot on. Agree to disagree!

In all seriousness, the only thing I would change is the last sentence. I don't think the successful quitters should keep their mouths shut when a road to caving is imminent. They should speak up, but we are all adults here and can express our concerns more tactfully. If we are truly about saving lives, a GTFOH mentality is not the way to go. Acknowledging the fact that you can't save everybody, an appeal to one's reason is always more effective.
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2014, 08:02:00 AM »
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My position: tobacco companies want me addicted and want my money. They don't care if it kills me because they know I have three kids. They figure that they can probably snag one of them in their cobweb. Tobacco product manufacturers are my enemy. They are trying to slowly suck my money and health. Fuck them, they will hopefully rot in hell. I would celebrate if the sales and manufacturing of nicotine/tobacco products was outlawed worldwide. I could give a shit about free market economics when it comes to this product. It is a scourge on humanity. Thank goodness I have this KTC community to help keep me quit. I like the support and the no-nonsense attitude when it comes to failure. I believe this no-nonsense culture has strengthened my quit and will allow me to keep my victorious streak, currently at 356 days, intact for the rest of my life. The people who I've seen be resistant to going all in with the brotherhood/accountability aspect are the ones who fail and/or drift away.

My perception of your position: tobacco companies are just another company selling a product for adults to enjoy. They should be left alone to conduct business as normal because implementing measures to further restrict sales and availability would stray from the principles of a free market economy. Consumers do not need protection other than the warnings on the product labels, so they make their choice whether or not to use the product. Yes, even if they are addicted. Any resulting cancer they get is their own fault. To complain about their ailments is a failure to accept personal responsibility. And in some cases, such as Tony Gwynn, their cancer is not even caused by tobacco. There has never been a scientific study performed to show that salivary gland cancer can be caused by tobacco so it must mean that his cancer was just bad genetic luck. Brotherhood and accountability are cult-like aspects of KTC. Accountability should begin and end with posting roll. Posting roll is the only good part of KTC and is where accountability should begin and end. The cult like aspects of KTC are annoying. Trophy tins are fine. Admonishing quitters who display weaknesses consistent with previous reliable indicators of failure should not be allowed as how are we to know that that common failure indicator is not a source of strength for that particular person. These KTC quitters should keep their mouth shut when they see behaviors indicative of failure.

Pretty spot on. Agree to disagree!

In all seriousness, the only thing I would change is the last sentence. I don't think the successful quitters should keep their mouths shut when a road to caving is imminent. They should speak up, but we are all adults here and can express our concerns more tactfully. If we are truly about saving lives, a GTFOH mentality is not the way to go. Acknowledging the fact that you can't save everybody, an appeal to one's reason is always more effective.
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2014, 05:22:00 AM »
My position: tobacco companies want me addicted and want my money. They don't care if it kills me because they know I have three kids. They figure that they can probably snag one of them in their cobweb. Tobacco product manufacturers are my enemy. They are trying to slowly suck my money and health. Fuck them, they will hopefully rot in hell. I would celebrate if the sales and manufacturing of nicotine/tobacco products was outlawed worldwide. I could give a shit about free market economics when it comes to this product. It is a scourge on humanity. Thank goodness I have this KTC community to help keep me quit. I like the support and the no-nonsense attitude when it comes to failure. I believe this no-nonsense culture has strengthened my quit and will allow me to keep my victorious streak, currently at 356 days, intact for the rest of my life. The people who I've seen be resistant to going all in with the brotherhood/accountability aspect are the ones who fail and/or drift away.

My perception of your position: tobacco companies are just another company selling a product for adults to enjoy. They should be left alone to conduct business as normal because implementing measures to further restrict sales and availability would stray from the principles of a free market economy. Consumers do not need protection other than the warnings on the product labels, so they make their choice whether or not to use the product. Yes, even if they are addicted. Any resulting cancer they get is their own fault. To complain about their ailments is a failure to accept personal responsibility. And in some cases, such as Tony Gwynn, their cancer is not even caused by tobacco. There has never been a scientific study performed to show that salivary gland cancer can be caused by tobacco so it must mean that his cancer was just bad genetic luck. Brotherhood and accountability are cult-like aspects of KTC. Accountability should begin and end with posting roll. Posting roll is the only good part of KTC and is where accountability should begin and end. The cult like aspects of KTC are annoying. Trophy tins are fine. Admonishing quitters who display weaknesses consistent with previous reliable indicators of failure should not be allowed as how are we to know that that common failure indicator is not a source of strength for that particular person. These KTC quitters should keep their mouth shut when they see behaviors indicative of failure.
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2014, 10:48:00 PM »
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Tony is not showing anything. He's in the fucking ground.

But, you...you're still here trolling under the guise of a "good argument".

Here's what I can say about you, Fkskoal. When you quit, you had a brand you frequented. You hated this drug, and it came in a can with the word Skoal on it. Not only did you hate the stuff in the can, you hated the brand because that is what had you. Your name tells me all I need to know about how effective marketing was on you. What brought you to Skoal and what made that word so tainted that you said "fuck that" name?

BWT, Smokeless tobacco has been linked to esophagus, stomach, and pancreatic cancer (as well as the traditional mouth, tongue, cheek, gum, and throat cancers). ItÂ’s true that salivary cancer (what took Gwynn) is not on this list, but salivary cancer is quite rare in reality and there has been no research into the matter. It took over 20 years for scientists to link lung cancer to smoking, and that was with much more funding and examples. 1 out of 100,000 people get diagnosed with salivary cancer.


Not trolling. No cynicism, sarcasm, or belittling here. Just stating my position, civilly. It's like that old Jack Sparrow quote, "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Understand?"
It's not trolling if we simply happen to disagree on what is a very nuanced topic.

Now, to answer your question- what brought me to Skoal is that it is quite literally the only brand of dip sold locally in my area (Brooklyn). There may be a few token bodegas or 711s that carry the occasional Cope, but Skoal is really the only thing readily stocked at any gas station around here. If you're lucky (well, unlucky, I guess). So, to your point, effective marketing is not really their forte around here. Because what made me choose that brand is pretty much geomarket dominance. In fact, if you walk into one of these stores and say Give me a can of dip, the cashier will have no idea what you're asking for. For 3-4 years I had to say "That round thing over there that says Skoal on it. The blue one." Lots of people in NYC don't know the terminology. Cigarettes obviously are a different story. In my case, aggressive marketing really did not contribute to what would ultimately become addiction. It was my own stupidity. I chose "FkSkoal" because that was literally the only brand behind the counter. The only other friend I knew who dipped never even referred to it as dip. It was always just Skoal, because that's all that was really available. As my career grew and I had more opportunities to travel for conferences, I would marvel at rows and rows of alternative brands in other states.

Plus, I'm really not that creative when it comes to picking names.
See, this is where I get confused.

You've referenced playing softball with all sorts of guys partaking in the stuff, but now you've only known "one other man"? I'm also confused (and this might be my ignorance) because I thought NYC has/had a ban on flavored tobacco. I guess I just need to get to know you better.

Either way, this conversation as mutated. It started out this weekend talking about whether companies have the right to sell the stuff. Now, you are spouting off facts like those "switch it" advocates that think smokers should become chewers. It's taking a dangerous turn for you, and I'm just hoping that you get your on right to keep this quit.
Softball was never part of my routine and while dip is present in leagues in some areas, it's not in others. I do only have one close friend who was a user (still is, actually).

And yes it is your ignorance re: flavored tobacco. There is a ban but mint and wintergreen are fair game. When I first started before the ban, which has only been around a couple of years, you could get citrus.

Additionally, the the smokers-to-chewers approach is something I never mentioned so I'm not sure where you are pulling that from. Perhaps it is your own misinterpretation of my positions, although I think I've been pretty clear.

Anyways, I post roll 100% approaching the first floor. Why are you breaking my balls about things taking a "dangerous turn"?
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2014, 10:13:00 PM »
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Tony is not showing anything. He's in the fucking ground.

But, you...you're still here trolling under the guise of a "good argument".

Here's what I can say about you, Fkskoal. When you quit, you had a brand you frequented. You hated this drug, and it came in a can with the word Skoal on it. Not only did you hate the stuff in the can, you hated the brand because that is what had you. Your name tells me all I need to know about how effective marketing was on you. What brought you to Skoal and what made that word so tainted that you said "fuck that" name?

BWT, Smokeless tobacco has been linked to esophagus, stomach, and pancreatic cancer (as well as the traditional mouth, tongue, cheek, gum, and throat cancers). ItÂ’s true that salivary cancer (what took Gwynn) is not on this list, but salivary cancer is quite rare in reality and there has been no research into the matter. It took over 20 years for scientists to link lung cancer to smoking, and that was with much more funding and examples. 1 out of 100,000 people get diagnosed with salivary cancer.


Not trolling. No cynicism, sarcasm, or belittling here. Just stating my position, civilly. It's like that old Jack Sparrow quote, "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Understand?"
It's not trolling if we simply happen to disagree on what is a very nuanced topic.

Now, to answer your question- what brought me to Skoal is that it is quite literally the only brand of dip sold locally in my area (Brooklyn). There may be a few token bodegas or 711s that carry the occasional Cope, but Skoal is really the only thing readily stocked at any gas station around here. If you're lucky (well, unlucky, I guess). So, to your point, effective marketing is not really their forte around here. Because what made me choose that brand is pretty much geomarket dominance. In fact, if you walk into one of these stores and say Give me a can of dip, the cashier will have no idea what you're asking for. For 3-4 years I had to say "That round thing over there that says Skoal on it. The blue one." Lots of people in NYC don't know the terminology. Cigarettes obviously are a different story. In my case, aggressive marketing really did not contribute to what would ultimately become addiction. It was my own stupidity. I chose "FkSkoal" because that was literally the only brand behind the counter. The only other friend I knew who dipped never even referred to it as dip. It was always just Skoal, because that's all that was really available. As my career grew and I had more opportunities to travel for conferences, I would marvel at rows and rows of alternative brands in other states.

Plus, I'm really not that creative when it comes to picking names.
See, this is where I get confused.

You've referenced playing softball with all sorts of guys partaking in the stuff, but now you've only known "one other man"? I'm also confused (and this might be my ignorance) because I thought NYC has/had a ban on flavored tobacco. I guess I just need to get to know you better.

Either way, this conversation as mutated. It started out this weekend talking about whether companies have the right to sell the stuff. Now, you are spouting off facts like those "switch it" advocates that think smokers should become chewers. It's taking a dangerous turn for you, and I'm just hoping that you get your on right to keep this quit.
In the end I Surrender, I and I alone accept that I have and always will have a Nicotene ADDICTION. It is my choice to quit, but I can't do it alone. I get to go down this path one time, I want to do it right. I recognize that my word, my integrety to you is on the line and is only as good as my actions. Caving is not an option in this plan-Eafman 7/11

I am not cured. I will quit one day at a time. I will continue to do what works. Posting roll everyday. To do otherwise would be foolish on my part. You can do this-Ready 12/11

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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2014, 09:53:00 PM »
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Tony is not showing anything. He's in the fucking ground.

But, you...you're still here trolling under the guise of a "good argument".

Here's what I can say about you, Fkskoal. When you quit, you had a brand you frequented. You hated this drug, and it came in a can with the word Skoal on it. Not only did you hate the stuff in the can, you hated the brand because that is what had you. Your name tells me all I need to know about how effective marketing was on you. What brought you to Skoal and what made that word so tainted that you said "fuck that" name?

BWT, Smokeless tobacco has been linked to esophagus, stomach, and pancreatic cancer (as well as the traditional mouth, tongue, cheek, gum, and throat cancers). ItÂ’s true that salivary cancer (what took Gwynn) is not on this list, but salivary cancer is quite rare in reality and there has been no research into the matter. It took over 20 years for scientists to link lung cancer to smoking, and that was with much more funding and examples. 1 out of 100,000 people get diagnosed with salivary cancer.


Not trolling. No cynicism, sarcasm, or belittling here. Just stating my position, civilly. It's like that old Jack Sparrow quote, "The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. Understand?"
It's not trolling if we simply happen to disagree on what is a very nuanced topic.

Now, to answer your question- what brought me to Skoal is that it is quite literally the only brand of dip sold locally in my area (Brooklyn). There may be a few token bodegas or 711s that carry the occasional Cope, but Skoal is really the only thing readily stocked at any gas station around here. If you're lucky (well, unlucky, I guess). So, to your point, effective marketing is not really their forte around here. Because what made me choose that brand is pretty much geomarket dominance. In fact, if you walk into one of these stores and say Give me a can of dip, the cashier will have no idea what you're asking for. For 3-4 years I had to say "That round thing over there that says Skoal on it. The blue one." Lots of people in NYC don't know the terminology. Cigarettes obviously are a different story. In my case, aggressive marketing really did not contribute to what would ultimately become addiction. It was my own stupidity. I chose "FkSkoal" because that was literally the only brand behind the counter. The only other friend I knew who dipped never even referred to it as dip. It was always just Skoal, because that's all that was really available. As my career grew and I had more opportunities to travel for conferences, I would marvel at rows and rows of alternative brands in other states.

Plus, I'm really not that creative when it comes to picking names.
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #69 on: October 20, 2014, 09:17:00 PM »
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you are the guy who has to constantly try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room.

Here's what GWYNN had to say on the matter and not the MEDIA.

Gwynn asked whether smokeless tobacco caused all of this. The head radiation oncologist at Scripps Clinic, Dr. Prabhakar Tripuraneni (whom the Gwynns call Dr. T.) said he couldn't definitively say dipping initiated the tumor. He says it's his opinion that the cancer was unrelated, but acknowledged there hadn't been sufficient studies done to prove it one way or another. Gwynn's reaction was, "Of course it caused it," and Alicia nodded.

"If Tony believes that, who am I to argue with him?" Tripuraneni says.
Not trying to prove anything, just enjoy a good discussion. I'm sorry that you can't see it for what it is. Believe me, I don't need affirmation or any pats on the back from anyone on the internet about being "the smartest guy in the room."

It's great that Tony is trying to show how harmful dipping can be by linking it to his form of cancer. But it is simply not logical to arrive at conclusions without any evidence. Sure, maybe his heart tells him it was caused by the dip. But that is not science. That is a psychological and emotional response to his predicament. Perhaps it is his own guilt weighing on him, who knows.

I just don't like manipulation of fact in EITHER direction. I'm an agnostic when it comes to the Gwynn case. Curt Schilling on the other hand...
Tony is not showing anything. He's in the fucking ground.

But, you...you're still here trolling under the guise of a "good argument".

Here's what I can say about you, Fkskoal. When you quit, you had a brand you frequented. You hated this drug, and it came in a can with the word Skoal on it. Not only did you hate the stuff in the can, you hated the brand because that is what had you. Your name tells me all I need to know about how effective marketing was on you. What brought you to Skoal and what made that word so tainted that you said "fuck that" name?

BWT, Smokeless tobacco has been linked to esophagus, stomach, and pancreatic cancer (as well as the traditional mouth, tongue, cheek, gum, and throat cancers). ItÂ’s true that salivary cancer (what took Gwynn) is not on this list, but salivary cancer is quite rare in reality and there has been no research into the matter. It took over 20 years for scientists to link lung cancer to smoking, and that was with much more funding and examples. 1 out of 100,000 people get diagnosed with salivary cancer.
In the end I Surrender, I and I alone accept that I have and always will have a Nicotene ADDICTION. It is my choice to quit, but I can't do it alone. I get to go down this path one time, I want to do it right. I recognize that my word, my integrety to you is on the line and is only as good as my actions. Caving is not an option in this plan-Eafman 7/11

I am not cured. I will quit one day at a time. I will continue to do what works. Posting roll everyday. To do otherwise would be foolish on my part. You can do this-Ready 12/11

To overcome your addiction you must comprehend what it means to fail-Razd 3/12

Theres a lot of people that come here, especially vets, that WANT to be reminded that they are addicts.-Tarpon 6/12

Just as a building starts with architectural drawings. Your daily quit begins with a promise.-Scowick 2/13

Here and now, focused on today, minute by minute, whatever it takes, I promise to all my bros and myself not to become a negative stat and stay quit!-krok 1/15

I want everyone to be quit. Even the assholes.-Probe1957 1/18

Ignoring history or erasing history fixes nothing and leads you inevitably down the same path.-69franx 04/30/2021

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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #68 on: October 20, 2014, 06:06:00 PM »
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you are the guy who has to constantly try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room.

Here's what GWYNN had to say on the matter and not the MEDIA.

Gwynn asked whether smokeless tobacco caused all of this. The head radiation oncologist at Scripps Clinic, Dr. Prabhakar Tripuraneni (whom the Gwynns call Dr. T.) said he couldn't definitively say dipping initiated the tumor. He says it's his opinion that the cancer was unrelated, but acknowledged there hadn't been sufficient studies done to prove it one way or another. Gwynn's reaction was, "Of course it caused it," and Alicia nodded.

"If Tony believes that, who am I to argue with him?" Tripuraneni says.
Not trying to prove anything, just enjoy a good discussion. I'm sorry that you can't see it for what it is. Believe me, I don't need affirmation or any pats on the back from anyone on the internet about being "the smartest guy in the room."

It's great that Tony is trying to show how harmful dipping can be by linking it to his form of cancer. But it is simply not logical to arrive at conclusions without any evidence. Sure, maybe his heart tells him it was caused by the dip. But that is not science. That is a psychological and emotional response to his predicament. Perhaps it is his own guilt weighing on him, who knows.

I just don't like manipulation of fact in EITHER direction. I'm an agnostic when it comes to the Gwynn case. Curt Schilling on the other hand...
I see it for exactly what it is. I know what the facts say.

I don't let this stuff bother me anymore. I used to, though. I had many email exchanges with Dr. Radu about NHR. I'm certain you know who he is.

You've completely spun this into a direction that was never my intention. I don't see this as a "good" discussion.

Maybe someone else will continue on, but I'm done.
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #67 on: October 20, 2014, 05:48:00 PM »
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you are the guy who has to constantly try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room.

Here's what GWYNN had to say on the matter and not the MEDIA.

Gwynn asked whether smokeless tobacco caused all of this. The head radiation oncologist at Scripps Clinic, Dr. Prabhakar Tripuraneni (whom the Gwynns call Dr. T.) said he couldn't definitively say dipping initiated the tumor. He says it's his opinion that the cancer was unrelated, but acknowledged there hadn't been sufficient studies done to prove it one way or another. Gwynn's reaction was, "Of course it caused it," and Alicia nodded.

"If Tony believes that, who am I to argue with him?" Tripuraneni says.
Not trying to prove anything, just enjoy a good discussion. I'm sorry that you can't see it for what it is. Believe me, I don't need affirmation or any pats on the back from anyone on the internet about being "the smartest guy in the room."

It's great that Tony is trying to show how harmful dipping can be by linking it to his form of cancer. But it is simply not logical to arrive at conclusions without any evidence. Sure, maybe his heart tells him it was caused by the dip. But that is not science. That is a psychological and emotional response to his predicament. Perhaps it is his own guilt weighing on him, who knows.

I just don't like manipulation of fact in EITHER direction. I'm an agnostic when it comes to the Gwynn case. Curt Schilling on the other hand...
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Re: 6 Days Out
« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2014, 03:39:00 PM »
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Tony Gwynn dipped to help him concentrate on baseball...he's fucking dead.
I'm truly sorry for the losses in your family.

I don't want to come across as a complete dick, but I should note that there is no established link between dip and the type of cancer that Tony Gwynn had (parotid gland).

Disclaimer: that's not to say that dip doesn't cause cancer (no shit, it does). So let's clear the air on that point before people start changing my words around.

I'm simply saying that, in Tony Gwynn's case, the conventional thinking put out in the media was that dip had caused his cancer. Even though there is no real medical evidence to connect dip with cancer of the parotid gland. His case might unfortunately be one of bad genetics.
There may be no proof but do you think Gwynn would recommend it to anyone? You think he took any comfort in your point? Doesn't sound like it to me. Way to indeed be a total dick by the way and totally miss my overall point. You can't help it though. I'm not trying to psyco analyze you or anything, but you are the guy who has to constantly try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room.

Here's what GWYNN had to say on the matter and not the MEDIA.

Gwynn asked whether smokeless tobacco caused all of this. The head radiation oncologist at Scripps Clinic, Dr. Prabhakar Tripuraneni (whom the Gwynns call Dr. T.) said he couldn't definitively say dipping initiated the tumor. He says it's his opinion that the cancer was unrelated, but acknowledged there hadn't been sufficient studies done to prove it one way or another. Gwynn's reaction was, "Of course it caused it," and Alicia nodded.

"If Tony believes that, who am I to argue with him?" Tripuraneni says.
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"In a world that seems so small, I can't stop thinking big"
"Someone set a bad example. Made surrender seem all right
The act of a noble warrior. Who lost the will to fight."