Serious Consideration

[loot]

No one has given any suggestion in what they have done to over come the urge/desire for a dip in these situation.

sure we did. the addict in you chose to ignore them.

the proverbial terd is on your plate bro.

[Ready]

Some areas where I notice that I almost constantly have a dip in and could use some suggestions are:
At work(sitting, while build electronic assemblies)
While on the computer at home
While driving
Just sitting around watching TV

No one has given any suggestion in what they have done to over come the urge/desire for a dip in these situation. If there have been 1000s nicotine addicts here then I know that some still fight in these setting? What is that you have done? From my past experience it is the triggers that have done me more harm than just flush my 'worm dirt' down the toilet.

That was the biggest reason for me even posting before day one, not to catch all this discouragement telling me that my way is wrong.

Stop it already. What we do here has been proven to work. Get on board and drink the damn kool-aid. Don't come in and try and change the entire damn site. That simply will not work.

Everything you need is here. Go look around. Start at the beginning of an older group and read all of their posts from the beginning. You will gain some insight on what is to come and things you can do to keep the quit.

If today is day - 1, Your quit group is April 2010... here ....

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Here are some links you may find helpful...

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A how to get started by Remy:

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Quit Groups, What do they mean, by SOS

index.php?showtopic=88

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Roll call, why we do it your word by LOOT.

index.php?showtopic=120

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What to Expect when you quit.

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/what.asp

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Symptoms of Quitting dip and chew

http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/symptoms.asp

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Contract to give up...

http://www.killthecan.org/facts/contract.asp

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Smokeless alternatives

http://killthecan.org/yourquit/alternatives.asp


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How to post roll.

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How to Post ROLL CALL - Roll Call Instructions
Step 1 - Find the last Roll Call
Step 2 - Hit the "Quote" button in the upper right hand corner.
Step 3 - Click your mouse ANYWHERE in The bottom Box
Step 4 - Hit Ctrl and "A" at the Same time so it looks like THIS
Step 5 - Hit Ctrl and "X" at the same time so there is NOTHING in Either Box
Step 6 - Click your mouse in the TOP BOX
Step 7 - Hit Ctrl and "V" at the same time to Past the info into the top box AND ADD YOUR info to the bottom of the list
Step 8 - Hit ADD REPLY below the bottom box
Step 9 - Go back to the 1st unread post, pat yourself on the back, and have a beer cause you will not be dipping today.



Balls in your court.

[LaQuitter]

Some areas where I notice that I almost constantly have a dip in and could use some suggestions are:
At work(sitting, while build electronic assemblies)
While on the computer at home
While driving
Just sitting around watching TV

No one has given any suggestion in what they have done to over come the urge/desire for a dip in these situation. If there have been 1000s nicotine addicts here then I know that some still fight in these setting? What is that you have done? From my past experience it is the triggers that have done me more harm than just flush my 'worm dirt' down the toilet.

That was the biggest reason for me even posting before day one, not to catch all this discouragement telling me that my way is wrong.

Nothing but sheer will and determination will overcome those first few days of withdrawal. The support found at this web site will go a long way towards getting you through those first few days. But no amout of gum, seeds, jerky, snatch, atomic fireballs, whatever, will make the withdrawal caused by the chemical addiction any easier.

You are associating various common daily activities with your oral fixation (remember, gotta leave the chemical withdrawal out of this). We were all like you. Hell, if I was awake and not eating, I had a dip in my lip.

You have to placate the oral fixation with something other than dip. Yep, we all loved to dip when making that 2 hour drive. Find what works for you to ease the oral crave:

toothpicks, straws, gum, seeds, hard candy, jerky, Hooch, Smokey Mountain, tea leaves, whatever. Replace the habit of dip in your mouth, with something else in your mouth.

Eventually, that urge/desire in your trigger situations will get easier, or cease greatly. I have been on my computer for over an hour, with nothing in my mouth but my teeth and tongue. You see, life can be lived without nicotine!

Now, go back and read all of the advice given to you thus far, twice if you need to.

It DOES NOT get any easier tomorrow.

[niwot]

Some areas where I notice that I almost constantly have a dip in and could use some suggestions are:
At work(sitting, while build electronic assemblies)
While on the computer at home
While driving
Just sitting around watching TV

No one has given any suggestion in what they have done to over come the urge/desire for a dip in these situation. If there have been 1000s nicotine addicts here then I know that some still fight in these setting? What is that you have done? From my past experience it is the triggers that have done me more harm than just flush my 'worm dirt' down the toilet.

That was the biggest reason for me even posting before day one, not to catch all this discouragement telling me that my way is wrong.

Cravings last 5 minutes

Enough time for a badass to crank out 30 pushups!

Big guns...shiny teeth........no addiction.

Just do it already!

[AirborneAlways]

Some areas where I notice that I almost constantly have a dip in and could use some suggestions are:
At work(sitting, while build electronic assemblies)
While on the computer at home
While driving
Just sitting around watching TV

No one has given any suggestion in what they have done to over come the urge/desire for a dip in these situation. If there have been 1000s nicotine addicts here then I know that some still fight in these setting? What is that you have done? From my past experience it is the triggers that have done me more harm than just flush my 'worm dirt' down the toilet.

That was the biggest reason for me even posting before day one, not to catch all this discouragement telling me that my way is wrong.

[LaQuitter]

BOY OH BOY LOTS OF ENCOURAGEMENT AROUND HERE. Or should I say lack of encouragement to develop a "program" that works for me. A lot of you are sounding like those around me who have never had and addictions by say "just quit!" I am coming to KTC the same way some alcohols have started with AA who had not stopped drink yet but had the desire(which is the only requirement for AA).


Now someone posted earlier that at least I know some of my triggers but no one has given any suggestions on what they did for those particular areas.

You need not "develop" a "program" to quit. You have found THE PROGRAM. Here's how it works:

1) go flush all of it down the toilet, right now.

2) sweep your home, vehicle, office, shop, wherever, for all evidence that you are a dipper (spitters and such) and throw it in the trash can.

3) post roll call every day, early in the day. Make it as routine as brushing your teeth in the morning. Posting roll becomes a part of your routine.

4) your roll post is your promise to us, and to yourself, that you will stay quit for TODAY. We'll worry about tomorrow when it gets here. Just make it through today.

5) get as many phone numbers as you can from quitters on this site. Use the numbers. Make friends here.....they WILL SAVE YOUR QUIT ONE DAY.

5) print the Contract as others have advised and keep it in your wallet. If you have children, print Tom Kern's story, and keep that handy as well.

5) read all that you can at this web site and absorb it. Be involved here as well. Post away. Talk about the addiction and anything else you want.

6) do not, under any circumstance, cave.

This is how we quit....in a nutshell.

Now here is were you gotta sack up. We are all addicts, just like you. Quitting an addiction is hard.

This WILL SUCK. You will be pissed, you will not be able to concentrate, you will be irritable, you will be short-tempered, you won't sleep, your memory may be fucked for a while, and no telling what the hell else. This will probably be one of the most difficult things you ever do. THERE IS NO EASY WAY THROUGH THIS. What is going to be stronger.....your resolve and commitment, or the addiction???

This is possibly life or death we are talking about. I hope for your sake that the quitter in you will be stronger than the addict.

Everyone here takes this shit very serious. Get to quitting. You CANNOT plan this any better. We are lined up to help you with the plan that will work. Trust us.

This is not about planning. It's about quitting. Go flush it and post a Day 1.

La - 256 days of freedom.

[redyota]

AA, here's the deal.

Quitting is not easy....

There are going to be some real shitty days ahead. You'll have to deal with the brain fog, anxiety, anger, possibly depression, a sense of loss, and and tons of other difficult side affects. Knowing this is normal going into your quit will help you as these symptoms come and go. Coming here, posting roll, making friends, and sharing your experiences will help. We can and will help with all these difficult things you will face. These things will not be any more or less difficult tomorrow, next month, or next year.

...but Quitting is simple.

The simple part is something you will have to do. Do not put nicotine in your system. Period. No dip, no chew, no snus, no cigs, no cigars, no patch, no gum. This part will not be any more or less difficult tomorrow, next month, or next year.

Make a vow to us and yourself to keep the simple part of quit up. Bring the difficult parts here and we'll work them out.


That's it. There is no "easy" path to deal with the triggers. You just gotta nut up to them, look them in the face, and tell them to fuck off. I promise doing so with the group of friends here that are doing the same makes this more bearable than you can imagine now.

The reason we require you to quit before joining up is that we don't "desire" to quit here. We don't "try" to quit here. WE QUIT. It's that simple. There are thousands of us here to prove it.

We know its gonna suck. We know its gonna be tough. We're not going to lie and tell you that we can make this easier. What we do is help you get through the suck. We don't lessen the pain, we get you through it. It gets better faster than you can imagine. All you need to handle is the simple part.

Get rid of the can and don't put it in your mouth for the rest of today. Repeat tomorrow.

[loot]

BOY OH BOY LOTS OF ENCOURAGEMENT AROUND HERE.  Or should I say lack of encouragement to develop a "program" that works for me.  A lot of you are sounding like those around me who have never had and addictions by say "just quit!"  I am coming to KTC the same way some alcohols have started with AA who had not stopped drink yet but had the desire(which is the only requirement for AA).


Now someone posted earlier that at least I know some of my triggers but no one has given any suggestions on what they did for those particular areas.

you are just fucking with LOOT. you really can't believe what you typed.

LOOT, along with every other person posting roll here acknowledges their addiction. acknowledges the fact that we are addicts to the core.

desire to quit doesn't cut it here. only quitting is acceptable.

as for suggestions for triggers...suffice it to say it didn't include stuffing our faces with cancer.

you want suggestions?
- "dip" cinnamon altoids
- eat sunflower seeds
- stay the fuck away from herbal shit. it is waaaay too close to the real thing for LOOT
- understand you have an oral fixation that will be harder to kick thatn the 3 days of nicotine withdrawal
- look in the mirror and tell your addiction to "FUCK OFF"...out loud
- print out the Contract to Give Up and read it
- stay the fuck away from C stores
- make some friends here, get their numbers and swaer to them you'll call before you cave
- tell LOOT to "fuck off"

LOOT could go on. LOOT can't quit for you tho. LOOT's boys can make sure you have the outlets you need but ultimately it comes down to how bad you wanna be clean.

a bunch of shit you CAN do....question is...will you?

if you want support you'll get it. but not with a dip in your mouth you dumbass. flush your fucking can now while it is fresh on your mind. only then will you be totally welcomed here.

this is not an AA site. we tatke this shit extremely seriously. it's about time you do too bro.

flush it...now please.

[AirborneAlways]

BOY OH BOY LOTS OF ENCOURAGEMENT AROUND HERE. Or should I say lack of encouragement to develop a "program" that works for me. A lot of you are sounding like those around me who have never had and addictions by say "just quit!" I am coming to KTC the same way some alcohols have started with AA who had not stopped drink yet but had the desire(which is the only requirement for AA).


Now someone posted earlier that at least I know some of my triggers but no one has given any suggestions on what they did for those particular areas.

[loot]

you'll come up with a million reasons why you don't need to quit when the 1st of the month comes. guaranteed. what exactly does waiting until the 1st accomplish? nothing. nada. zilch.

if you are smart, you'll seize the momentum...flush your can...post Day 1...and grab ahold of the lifeline this site will throw you.

what if the next dip you take is the one that kills you? cancer is black and white. you either got it or you don't. one single dip is the one that tips the balance. fuck around with it if you want. LOOT thinks setting a date a couple weeks in advance is a dumbass chickenshit way to approach quitting. it is unlikely to work. LOOT hopes for your sake that LOOT is wrong.

this place is for quitters. you've introduced yourself. we'll look for the day 1 post whenever the fuck it shows up...IF it shows up. in the meantime, don't fuckin post on LOOT's board. go enjoy your dip and stay the fuck away until you are clean.

go ahead and bitch about the kind of "support" LOOT just shoved at you all you want. makes no fuckin difference to LOOT. however you posting on LOOT's board for damned near 2 weeks with a fatty in will definately not fucking happen.

run along. come back when you are hitting LOOT's roll call.

[GlennFtheKodiak]

I can be an obsessive planer to the point of just wasting my time over thinking shit.........and I implemented that strategy of planning to quit- - - on the first of the month, day of my birthday, day before my daughter was born, day after vacation ended, on Monday, Friday, Sunday @ 11:59 pm, day before starting a new job, etc....PULLED THAT BULLSHIT ON MYSELF FOR YEARS!!!! I failed over and over and over again.

In my mind I wanted to quit for years before "I actually did it"

I think 2 of the primary reasons I could never do it, was
1. I never had any support....never,,,until I checked out KTC and actually became involved in making the site help me
2. I never could deal with the pain of quitting. Quitting chew has been probably the most difficult thing I've dealt with in my life - probably even more so than the death of some loved ones....The only way to quit this shit is to deal with,,and OVERCOME the pain.

Make the decision that you're going to quit and just jump into it. You can't spend time planning it - Just decide you want to live - Make the sacrifice.

If we can do it so can you!!!
DanTheMan -322

Dan didn't you hear, what works for some doesn't work for others.

[DanTheMan]

I can be an obsessive planer to the point of just wasting my time over thinking shit.........and I implemented that strategy of planning to quit- - - on the first of the month, day of my birthday, day before my daughter was born, day after vacation ended, on Monday, Friday, Sunday @ 11:59 pm, day before starting a new job, etc....PULLED THAT BULLSHIT ON MYSELF FOR YEARS!!!! I failed over and over and over again.

In my mind I wanted to quit for years before "I actually did it"

I think 2 of the primary reasons I could never do it, was
1. I never had any support....never,,,until I checked out KTC and actually became involved in making the site help me
2. I never could deal with the pain of quitting. Quitting chew has been probably the most difficult thing I've dealt with in my life - probably even more so than the death of some loved ones....The only way to quit this shit is to deal with,,and OVERCOME the pain.

Make the decision that you're going to quit and just jump into it. You can't spend time planning it - Just decide you want to live - Make the sacrifice.

If we can do it so can you!!!
DanTheMan -322

[AirborneAlways]

I'll be waiting for your day 1.

That day will be here even before I know it :o

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[GlennFtheKodiak]

Quit now.  Those planned quits never work.

I have done the 'quit now' and it never work. Have not done the planned quit. What works for some does not work for all.

Ah, but you never did the quit now and come here, did you. Hmmmmm? That's all I (we're) suggesting.

Hey man, serious, do what you want, it doesn't affect me one way or the other. Just tellin' you what 99.9% of the successful quitters here have done and what I think will help you in the short term and long term.

Ultimately it's your choice. Until then I can't talk to you anymore until your quit.

I'll be waiting for your day 1.

[AirborneAlways]

Quit now.  Those planned quits never work.

I have done the 'quit now' and it never work. Have not done the planned quit. What works for some does not work for all.