Stuff I'm right about

[SirDerek]

damn it....

Zam - in Oct12 I did the similar thing to your link,

in keeping the spreadsheet, around 4 pm eastern time I sent out the MIA list, separate from roll. It got the point across and even listed those who normally posted late per their schedule in a separated portion.

[zam]

damn it....

[zam]

You know, I'm not to the rant stage yet, but I'm close. Here' the rub...
In the last....many.....quit groups, the roll header is dominated by one thing. That one thing is NOT some awesome post about a quitters triumph. The header is NOT monopolized by some new youtube link that will make you laugh and get through another 30 minutes without tearing your lip out. The first thing a quitter reads is NOT some awesome saying thrown down the night before. The first thing you read is probably something telling you how not to fuck up roll. Or (most likely) the first thing you read is a list of guys that deserve to be "shamed". So here's my bitch.....why the hell is ROLL CALL so often monopolized by the very people that don't give a shit enough to PUT THERE OWN NAMES on it? Seriously! Anyone who had the misfortune of quitting with me in the early days knows that I do not shy away from unleashing a good rant on cavers, week day quitters, addict-logic speakers, etc. But on the ROLL? Why would I want that? The roll is the place that all of us QUITTERS get together. If some dipshit drops his name on there every 2 or 3 days, before disappearing altogether....that's his business. I'll send him a few PMs, maybe call him out in a separate post, but damned if I'm going to allow him (and his ilk) to dominate OUR (read:quitters) roll on the days he hasn't even bothered to show up! My roll is for quitters. My roll is a place where I go and say "look at all these bad asses! THEY have my back today." Now, you look at the roll and it's dominated by those who DO NOT have your back. It's dominated by those that choose NOT to quit with you today. That's bassackwards.

Roll call is the foundation of what we do here. It's what keeps us free. It deserves to be dominated by quitters.

Concur.

Honest to god, no bullshit truth.

That, and the f'ing header is as long as roll itself. :blink:

I think it is important to have the "first steps" and instructions for posting roll on the open group. Newbies need some direction. Once the groups closes then that info can be removed.
I do agree that the MIA/public shameing is not necessary and is probably not effective.

Thanks for thoughts, Snot. You're right about something, or some link, to help newbs post. But to clarify my position on MIA lists and "shame"...if public shaming will help to pull someones head out of there ass, give it a shot. I have no problem with that. BUT NOT ON THE ROLL. MIA lists...i think are VERY effective. But maybe I view the MIA list differently. When I (and other BoMBs) was making up MIA lists, the list would go up in the late afternoon most days. The point wasn't to dog the quitter for not posting roll (although we did that on occasion) In fact, it didn't matter if that guy ever saw the list or not. The list was not for the guy that missed roll. It was for the rest of us. The MIA list was made to encourage other quitters to reach out and get people to post roll TODAY. You see, they hadn't yet MISSED ROLL. The point of the MIA list was (in the BoMB) to see that they don't MISS ROLL TODAY. There are probably some good reasons to occasionally view who didn't post yesterday, but that information seems to be infinitely less valuable than who still needs to post TODAY.
My view....listing a group of people that didn't post yesterday is wasted effort. The spreadsheet will tell you that already. Getting someone to post TODAY is never wasted effort. You can't get a person to post "yesterday."

In case someone wonders how we used to do it, if not on the roll header, here is a typical BoMB MIA list. This is not something the BoMB pioneered.

[Snot]

You know, I'm not to the rant stage yet, but I'm close. Here' the rub...
In the last....many.....quit groups, the roll header is dominated by one thing. That one thing is NOT some awesome post about a quitters triumph. The header is NOT monopolized by some new youtube link that will make you laugh and get through another 30 minutes without tearing your lip out. The first thing a quitter reads is NOT some awesome saying thrown down the night before. The first thing you read is probably something telling you how not to fuck up roll. Or (most likely) the first thing you read is a list of guys that deserve to be "shamed". So here's my bitch.....why the hell is ROLL CALL so often monopolized by the very people that don't give a shit enough to PUT THERE OWN NAMES on it? Seriously! Anyone who had the misfortune of quitting with me in the early days knows that I do not shy away from unleashing a good rant on cavers, week day quitters, addict-logic speakers, etc. But on the ROLL? Why would I want that? The roll is the place that all of us QUITTERS get together. If some dipshit drops his name on there every 2 or 3 days, before disappearing altogether....that's his business. I'll send him a few PMs, maybe call him out in a separate post, but damned if I'm going to allow him (and his ilk) to dominate OUR (read:quitters) roll on the days he hasn't even bothered to show up! My roll is for quitters. My roll is a place where I go and say "look at all these bad asses! THEY have my back today." Now, you look at the roll and it's dominated by those who DO NOT have your back. It's dominated by those that choose NOT to quit with you today. That's bassackwards.

Roll call is the foundation of what we do here. It's what keeps us free. It deserves to be dominated by quitters.

Concur.

Honest to god, no bullshit truth.

That, and the f'ing header is as long as roll itself. :blink:

I think it is important to have the "first steps" and instructions for posting roll on the open group. Newbies need some direction. Once the groups closes then that info can be removed.
I do agree that the MIA/public shameing is not necessary and is probably not effective.

[J2b]

You know, I'm not to the rant stage yet, but I'm close. Here' the rub...
In the last....many.....quit groups, the roll header is dominated by one thing. That one thing is NOT some awesome post about a quitters triumph. The header is NOT monopolized by some new youtube link that will make you laugh and get through another 30 minutes without tearing your lip out. The first thing a quitter reads is NOT some awesome saying thrown down the night before. The first thing you read is probably something telling you how not to fuck up roll. Or (most likely) the first thing you read is a list of guys that deserve to be "shamed". So here's my bitch.....why the hell is ROLL CALL so often monopolized by the very people that don't give a shit enough to PUT THERE OWN NAMES on it? Seriously! Anyone who had the misfortune of quitting with me in the early days knows that I do not shy away from unleashing a good rant on cavers, week day quitters, addict-logic speakers, etc. But on the ROLL? Why would I want that? The roll is the place that all of us QUITTERS get together. If some dipshit drops his name on there every 2 or 3 days, before disappearing altogether....that's his business. I'll send him a few PMs, maybe call him out in a separate post, but damned if I'm going to allow him (and his ilk) to dominate OUR (read:quitters) roll on the days he hasn't even bothered to show up! My roll is for quitters. My roll is a place where I go and say "look at all these bad asses! THEY have my back today." Now, you look at the roll and it's dominated by those who DO NOT have your back. It's dominated by those that choose NOT to quit with you today. That's bassackwards.

Roll call is the foundation of what we do here. It's what keeps us free. It deserves to be dominated by quitters.

Concur.

Honest to god, no bullshit truth.

That, and the f'ing header is as long as roll itself. :blink:

[Nolaq]

You know, I'm not to the rant stage yet, but I'm close. Here' the rub...
In the last....many.....quit groups, the roll header is dominated by one thing. That one thing is NOT some awesome post about a quitters triumph. The header is NOT monopolized by some new youtube link that will make you laugh and get through another 30 minutes without tearing your lip out. The first thing a quitter reads is NOT some awesome saying thrown down the night before. The first thing you read is probably something telling you how not to fuck up roll. Or (most likely) the first thing you read is a list of guys that deserve to be "shamed". So here's my bitch.....why the hell is ROLL CALL so often monopolized by the very people that don't give a shit enough to PUT THERE OWN NAMES on it? Seriously! Anyone who had the misfortune of quitting with me in the early days knows that I do not shy away from unleashing a good rant on cavers, week day quitters, addict-logic speakers, etc. But on the ROLL? Why would I want that? The roll is the place that all of us QUITTERS get together. If some dipshit drops his name on there every 2 or 3 days, before disappearing altogether....that's his business. I'll send him a few PMs, maybe call him out in a separate post, but damned if I'm going to allow him (and his ilk) to dominate OUR (read:quitters) roll on the days he hasn't even bothered to show up! My roll is for quitters. My roll is a place where I go and say "look at all these bad asses! THEY have my back today." Now, you look at the roll and it's dominated by those who DO NOT have your back. It's dominated by those that choose NOT to quit with you today. That's bassackwards.

Roll call is the foundation of what we do here. It's what keeps us free. It deserves to be dominated by quitters.

Concur.

[zam]

You know, I'm not to the rant stage yet, but I'm close. Here' the rub...
In the last....many.....quit groups, the roll header is dominated by one thing. That one thing is NOT some awesome post about a quitters triumph. The header is NOT monopolized by some new youtube link that will make you laugh and get through another 30 minutes without tearing your lip out. The first thing a quitter reads is NOT some awesome saying thrown down the night before. The first thing you read is probably something telling you how not to fuck up roll. Or (most likely) the first thing you read is a list of guys that deserve to be "shamed". So here's my bitch.....why the hell is ROLL CALL so often monopolized by the very people that don't give a shit enough to PUT THERE OWN NAMES on it? Seriously! Anyone who had the misfortune of quitting with me in the early days knows that I do not shy away from unleashing a good rant on cavers, week day quitters, addict-logic speakers, etc. But on the ROLL? Why would I want that? The roll is the place that all of us QUITTERS get together. If some dipshit drops his name on there every 2 or 3 days, before disappearing altogether....that's his business. I'll send him a few PMs, maybe call him out in a separate post, but damned if I'm going to allow him (and his ilk) to dominate OUR (read:quitters) roll on the days he hasn't even bothered to show up! My roll is for quitters. My roll is a place where I go and say "look at all these bad asses! THEY have my back today." Now, you look at the roll and it's dominated by those who DO NOT have your back. It's dominated by those that choose NOT to quit with you today. That's bassackwards.

Roll call is the foundation of what we do here. It's what keeps us free. It deserves to be dominated by quitters.

[zam]

I got a half-a-can to go on my last can and then that’s it.  I’m quittin’.  I know it’s gonna’ work this time ‘cause I could’ve bought a full roll last night on the way home from work but I didn’t!  Don’t worry, I’m keepin’ my promise.  I’m just gonna’ stretch this can a bit to make quittin’ easier; that’s all.  After that it’s no more for me, no sir.  I’ll be a-slidin’ into this quit one little pinch at a time. 

This plan works, believe me, I’ve often quit like this before.  Garanteed!  I hope you don’t mind me spoutin’ off like this but I’m just so damn proud about how far I’ve come!  I’m workin’ hard but I gotta’ tell ya, it’s been smooth sailin’ so far.  No withdrawal stuff yet and I’ve been at it almost a week!  So take it from me.  That's right fellas, I’m definitely quitting last Tuesday.  You can take that to the bank.

You vets just donÂ’t understand how hard it is to stop.

I'm saving this for future use. I'll probably not give Keddy any credit though.

[zam]

a little pre Christmas bumpage for the 7th floor

:wub:

'BanDog'

Yeah ...that's it....just like that....yeaeeeeeeeahhhhh!

[Coach Steve]

a little pre Christmas bumpage for the 7th floor

:wub:

'BanDog'

[T-Cell]

a little pre Christmas bumpage for the 7th floor

:wub:

[cbird65]

a little pre Christmas bumpage for the 7th floor

[T-Cell]

A quit is not just a decision.  It is a series of actions that result in a quit.  ...

Good stuff I found elsewhere.

Very good stuff Zam. Still mystified why people show up here thinking there is a magic pill or cure...

[zam]

A quit is not just a decision.  It is a series of actions that result in a quit.  ...

Good stuff I found elsewhere.

[Pinched]

PaddyMac02- Day 17. I was an accessory to murder in a dream last night, but there was no dip involved, so I'll eat the murder charge. QLF!
PaddyMac02- Day 14. Emergency call from work just now, and I really needed those last 2 hours. Oh well, I'm quit, and staying that way. I work 3:30pm-11:30pm. The latest I should be posting is 12pm, if I need to catch up on sleep.
PaddyMac02- Day 11. Concierge in a residential building in NYC/part time male escort for lonely women in their 50's. Welcome, Al Man. Answer the 3 questions here and with your former quit group.
PaddyMac02- Day 10. Like a BoSs, but a humble one.
PaddyMac02- Day 9. Up late on chat, slept for a bit and gonna go back to bed. Feeling good and proud to be quitting with ya'll.
PaddyMac02- MJ Day 23. Check the spreadsheet, quitters, and make sure your quit day is correct. Several of you are off, and one is off by more than 2 days, wtf?
PaddyMac02- Day 25. Physical therapy at 12pm, and a 5k tomorrow. Livin' that QuIt LiFe!
PaddyMac02- Day 26. 5k in 2 hours to be followed by a nap, and then a visit with an old friend from college. #QuitLife
PaddyMac02- Day 31. I have over 20 #'s, and have given my # to more. ODAAT
PaddyMac02- Larry Bird Day! Born and raised in NY. Embrace your quit, November!
PaddyMac02- Day 37. MCarmo44. Dude never gave up on me. I will forever be indebted to him.
PaddyMac02- Day 40. (bump fix) I'm with Flucky and Joe. I won't stray to far from KTC. The support and accountability is what got me quit, and it's what will keep me quit.
PaddyMac02- Day 48. QLF.
PaddyMac02- Day 50! I used Jake's Mint Chew in the beginning of my quit, but only use it once in awhile now. Good to have around, though.
PaddyMac02- Day 59. ODAAT.
PaddyMac02- Day 62. 10 mile race in 2 hours. DD911: Hope you've taken the day to see that people care, even if the love is a little tough. We QLF here
PaddyMac02- Day 63. Some sneaky craves the last week or so. The nic bitch is always lurking. Be mindful of that.
PaddyMac02- Day 66. Now that I've posted roll, I'll be quit for today. Whatever troubles may come down the road, I know now nicotine is not the answer to them; it's just another problem.
PaddyMac02- Day 68. Family birthday party. Loving this QuIt LiFe!
PaddyMac02- Day 70. Flucky07. I hate to tell you this, but knowingly or unknowingly, you caved. NO NICOTINE AT ALL, IN ANY FORM! WTF, MAN!!!
PaddyMac02- Day 72. In a bit of a funk, but the quit goes on. Sorry for your loss, Pclark.
PaddyMac02- Day 74. Some really effed up dreams last night. Be mindful of the 70's because they can be funky as hell. Woke up to a new member in Vince, and to see that Dave is back in the fold. Just the kind of news to defunkify my ish. Proud to be apart of this group of badass quitters. How good is life without nicotine?? Fuck big tobacco and fuck dip.
PaddyMac02- Day 79. Dave, you have my #. Text if you need me to post for you.
PaddyMac02- Day 81. How do we quit in here? We QLF.
PaddyMac02- Day 83. Turned 37 today, and my bday wish is for all of us to remain quit.
PaddyMac02- Day 94. Ordered my engraved HOF coin yesterday. 100 will be quite the accomplishment, but it's not about the hof destination, it's about the journey and our journey of quit is in it's infancy.

(anon quitter)-86- Staying quit this sunday with my brothers November SKY DIVERS. Paddhymac02 is one badass quitter. Good work brother I appreciate the effort you are putting here for us. Hats off to Paddy, Dabean and middle finger salute to the bitch. No dip today for me.

I had some time to kill on a layover, and did some searching. DamnÂ…Yes Anonymous Quitter, he is bad ass. I now see the reason Pmac has his posse. Check out those comments. Check out that dedication. For someone that was still using nic, he was the baddest ass quitter I know. I can see how that kind of stuff would help a groups quit. So what if it was just a bit untrueÂ….

That right there shows the level of deceit! Holy shit this enrages me! What a traitor to quit! We have a revolution declaring our freedom from this and our brother is a REDCOAT! What an incredible sick addict or snake!

If he lied about dipping and talked this game....He is too addicted to his addiction. He must first be honest. The fucknut can't even be honest with addicts? He is cheating! Doesn't want help or help others, he is cheating but why?

He deceived, lied etc. Why? Why keep coming back and saying all this shit with a turd in? Why not just fade away? Something smells so fowl here.

He was banned for our protection. Something is not right about this one.

Thanks for the admins who police this site. GREAT CALL ON Bouncing this bastard. If he really feels bad for this, he will accept his ban. He can and has to quit without us. He can go somewhere else but here? Not going to do him any good to be here with us.

Its okay Paddy? NO THIS IS NOT OKAY. This should be closed and we should get back to quitting. Lesson learned, if you're deceitful, you are still loyal to nicotine!

If your allegiance is to Nicotine. You are not welcome to post roll.

If anyone quits with me, you know I am good for my word and nicotine can kiss my ass!

Fuck this debate. The Ban is the Correct Call. 100% correct! Any addict that lied but didn't want the heat so they have a different day 1 than what you post...Come clean. Not for us but for you! You are not going to be successful if you think you can lie and never touch the shit again.

Honesty about this whore nicotine must be established. Honest no matter the consequences. Come clean, chicken out and fade but caving is not what we accept. Forgive? Only if the person is honest and is set never to cave again. Unconditional forgiveness? No way! It removes accountability!

Case closed. KTC police did the right thing and anyone who disagrees...you must be young in your quit. Compassion requires honesty!!!!!

Goodnight and I have been 100% honest in my 616 days quit. I am proud because I wasn't honest in 22 years of dipping. That is what I mean. I quit to be a man of my word again. Anyone who thinks this is a sham, its not. I am quit and doing this every fucking day with you.

A deceitful "Quitter" that post and humps a can? NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS. He can't be a quitter and a caver people. Ban his ass. This is not a game, this is a fucking war on nicotine and he is a traitor.

I keep hearing this name, pmac is it?

I was born to lead not read so I don't know the full story, but I'm assuming he's but another weakling that caved like a little bitch...

So why should Bruce care? Why is KTC still waisting time?

Move on, focus on quitters who still have fight.

I don't give a shit about pmac. I don't give a shit what Bruce thinks or doesn't think about pmac. Pmac is history. However...a shit load of people that think this douche is some sort of bad ass quitter...I do give a shit about that.

The fact that he's no longer quit would say otherwise. Some people are dumbasses, there's Bruce's opinion that you can shove up your ass prick

Dude, I thought you were joking when you said you didn't know anything about any pmac? Holy shit. BTW, the last time you responded to a post of mine, it was simply "SHUT THE FUCK UP". I'll take this a downright friendly exchange. We'll be sharing a sleeping bag soon.

With all this verbal fucking going on... 'getaroom'