Support
Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.
*Fistbump*
I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.
The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.
True this! You want charity? Go to Church! You want to quit? Then do it!
The KTC plan if followed is fail proof! If you fail, you failed. Get support to prevent a cave. Don't expect us to pitty screw you after you fail. Its not a turn on to kiss a cavers ass. It's offensive.
Coach you are right on the money.
It better be conditional based, and for me it is. And know why? because it means that someone is serious about following through.
So I give my support to those who mean that they really want to quit above all else and enjoy the freedom of life. Because if you want to enjoy that 'other' then I cannot support that (besides I don't want to be any way tied to an accomplice to suicide as that is what it would be doing).
Nothing to see here. Except the awesomeness we call CS.
I'm going to make a social analogy here if nobody minds. Its day 64ish for me and i can finally think clearly enough to form an argument.
As a society of decent people we (the collective) find it appropriate to establish safety nets. These nets are in place to protect us from the misery of unfortunate circumstances. Lately, our elected representatives have found it prudent to enlarge the safety net so that, let's say, I earn $45K in NYS I can get financial assistance with my heating bill. Im sure at first glance that looks great on paper and on the evening headlines, but what no one mentions is that with every dollar of assistance we are robbing people of self worth. This isnt a political argument right or left. Fuck, Im a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, atheist. What it is, is an observation of basic human nature. If you eternally provide for someone, they will never do so for themselves.
Quitting is the same. I can't issue you quit stamps. I can't pay your monthly quit bill. I can't provide quit housing at a reduced rate. You have to do it on your own.
What we (the KTC collective) can do, is show folks how to quit. If you fight like hell for yourself, that success is yours. You, and you alone, own it!
I have no interest in caver welfare.
-Grizzfall
CS often times give me a big quit stiffie. Anyway...
I LOVE the irony of someone railing on someone for being too harsh, then preaching about "unconditional" support. Also, saying you can give "unconditional" support makes as much sense as saying you can have "just one." Nice points counselor.
ok, Zam's fault for replying...
What the fuck happened to PERSONAL ACCOUNTABILITY? Own your addiction, own your cave, own your quit. I am not interested in supporting those that "hope" to quit. They don't actually mean quit, they mean stop for a while. Now folk like CS, they mean quit when they say quit....
