We Quit Like Fuck

[Scowick65]

Some of that awesomeness arriving on the 7th Floor !!

7th Floor like F*ck?

Well done!

[cbird65]

Some of that awesomeness arriving on the 7th Floor !!

7th Floor like F*ck?

[Grizzfall]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.

The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.

True this! You want charity? Go to Church! You want to quit? Then do it!

The KTC plan if followed is fail proof! If you fail, you failed. Get support to prevent a cave. Don't expect us to pitty screw you after you fail. Its not a turn on to kiss a cavers ass. It's offensive.

Coach you are right on the money.

It better be conditional based, and for me it is. And know why? because it means that someone is serious about following through.

So I give my support to those who mean that they really want to quit above all else and enjoy the freedom of life. Because if you want to enjoy that 'other' then I cannot support that (besides I don't want to be any way tied to an accomplice to suicide as that is what it would be doing).

Nothing to see here. Except the awesomeness we call CS.

I'm going to make a social analogy here if nobody minds. Its day 64ish for me and i can finally think clearly enough to form an argument.
As a society of decent people we (the collective) find it appropriate to establish safety nets. These nets are in place to protect us from the misery of unfortunate circumstances. Lately, our elected representatives have found it prudent to enlarge the safety net so that, let's say, I earn $45K in NYS I can get financial assistance with my heating bill. Im sure at first glance that looks great on paper and on the evening headlines, but what no one mentions is that with every dollar of assistance we are robbing people of self worth. This isnt a political argument right or left. Fuck, Im a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, atheist. What it is, is an observation of basic human nature. If you eternally provide for someone, they will never do so for themselves.
Quitting is the same. I can't issue you quit stamps. I can't pay your monthly quit bill. I can't provide quit housing at a reduced rate. You have to do it on your own.
What we (the KTC collective) can do, is show folks how to quit. If you fight like hell for yourself, that success is yours. You, and you alone, own it!
I have no interest in caver welfare.
-Grizzfall

[cbird65]

poof

[Evil_Won]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.

The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.

True this! You want charity? Go to Church! You want to quit? Then do it!

The KTC plan if followed is fail proof! If you fail, you failed. Get support to prevent a cave. Don't expect us to pitty screw you after you fail. Its not a turn on to kiss a cavers ass. It's offensive.

Coach you are right on the money.

It better be conditional based, and for me it is. And know why? because it means that someone is serious about following through.

So I give my support to those who mean that they really want to quit above all else and enjoy the freedom of life. Because if you want to enjoy that 'other' then I cannot support that (besides I don't want to be any way tied to an accomplice to suicide as that is what it would be doing).

Nothing to see here. Except the awesomeness we call CS.

[SirDerek]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.

The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.

True this! You want charity? Go to Church! You want to quit? Then do it!

The KTC plan if followed is fail proof! If you fail, you failed. Get support to prevent a cave. Don't expect us to pitty screw you after you fail. Its not a turn on to kiss a cavers ass. It's offensive.

Coach you are right on the money.

It better be conditional based, and for me it is. And know why? because it means that someone is serious about following through.

So I give my support to those who mean that they really want to quit above all else and enjoy the freedom of life. Because if you want to enjoy that 'other' then I cannot support that (besides I don't want to be any way tied to an accomplice to suicide as that is what it would be doing).

[Mthomas3824]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.

The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.

True this! You want charity? Go to Church! You want to quit? Then do it!

The KTC plan if followed is fail proof! If you fail, you failed. Get support to prevent a cave. Don't expect us to pitty screw you after you fail. Its not a turn on to kiss a cavers ass. It's offensive.

[B-loMatt]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.

The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.

Hell yes!

[Jlud007]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

I really like this CS. I think it gets lost sometimes, if you don't use the support when you most need it.... like when your talking yourself into a cave. Why should it continue to be given freely? There is something of a healthy fear and the need to not disappoint all my quit brothers that have helped me that keeps me looking for the way to stay quit in a time of need, not folding like a chump.

The idea of "unlimited tries" or "do overs" weakens us as a whole, there should absolutely be a point for a serial stopper to move along to another less "vigorant" program.

[Nolaq]

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

*Fistbump*

[T-Cell]

Alright boys and girlsÂ…I wanted to wait until day 700 to post some thoughts but I just can't hold it in any longer.

Excuses

When it comes to the quit, excuses are the rationalization of caving. Approximately 99.9% of cave explanations contain at least one excuse. Some contain so many excuses that it's difficult to imagine that person taking any responsibility for their own actions. Let's say that againÂ…taking responsibility for your own actions. That's what the quit is all aboutÂ…understanding that putting dip in your lip is a choice. Sometimes life dictates the choices we make and forces us to choose one thing over the other. However, the quit is not one of those things in life, we have complete, 100% control over our addiction. You just have to believe it.

Addiction

Read between the lines of all the excuses put forth on KTC and you'll notice a common theme. At some point, the person making the excuse will refer, indirectly or directly, to their addiction. Are we all addicts? Of course, but does that give us an excuse to cave? No, it doesn't. Here's why. The point of labeling our nicotine use as an addiction is simple. It shows us that we cannot partake in casual use or have "just one." The only way to quit is nicotine cessation in all forms. To excuse caves because we are addicts does no one any favors. All that does is create a cycle of excuses, each cave excused and forgiven just as the last until this place loses it's sole purpose…to BE quit. 

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

Do unto others as you'd NEED them do unto you.

I'd need my ass kicked. Thanks to all of you who'd kick it. But not today, cuz I quit this morning.

I agree- Please DON'T give me unconditional support. I'd find another forum for that. I am an addict and I cannot cave or i start back at square 1. I understand this and I seek the support of people who will help me NOT to cave rather than to help me feel ok about myself if/when I cave. That would almost assure that I would cave eventually- and I don't want that.

well said CS! Way too many people showing up here just looking for a magic painless way to quit and believing caving is inevidable. Bullshit. Anyone can be/stay a quitter, but you have to want it AND maintain it every day.

[BrandtL]

I agree 100% CS. When I first quit, my addict brain was thinking and saying things like, "in a few months or a year after I have this under control, i'll be able to chew and smoke stogies and shit once in awhile, and it'll be no big deal." I was a good three weeks in when I finally realized the truth of the matter. Unfortunately, there are some people on here that I don't think will ever quite discover the truth.

[brettlees]

Alright boys and girlsÂ…I wanted to wait until day 700 to post some thoughts but I just can't hold it in any longer.

Excuses

When it comes to the quit, excuses are the rationalization of caving. Approximately 99.9% of cave explanations contain at least one excuse. Some contain so many excuses that it's difficult to imagine that person taking any responsibility for their own actions. Let's say that againÂ…taking responsibility for your own actions. That's what the quit is all aboutÂ…understanding that putting dip in your lip is a choice. Sometimes life dictates the choices we make and forces us to choose one thing over the other. However, the quit is not one of those things in life, we have complete, 100% control over our addiction. You just have to believe it.

Addiction

Read between the lines of all the excuses put forth on KTC and you'll notice a common theme. At some point, the person making the excuse will refer, indirectly or directly, to their addiction. Are we all addicts? Of course, but does that give us an excuse to cave? No, it doesn't. Here's why. The point of labeling our nicotine use as an addiction is simple. It shows us that we cannot partake in casual use or have "just one." The only way to quit is nicotine cessation in all forms. To excuse caves because we are addicts does no one any favors. All that does is create a cycle of excuses, each cave excused and forgiven just as the last until this place loses it's sole purpose…to BE quit. 

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

Do unto others as you'd NEED them do unto you.

I'd need my ass kicked. Thanks to all of you who'd kick it. But not today, cuz I quit this morning.

I agree- Please DON'T give me unconditional support. I'd find another forum for that. I am an addict and I cannot cave or i start back at square 1. I understand this and I seek the support of people who will help me NOT to cave rather than to help me feel ok about myself if/when I cave. That would almost assure that I would cave eventually- and I don't want that.

[G]

Alright boys and girlsÂ…I wanted to wait until day 700 to post some thoughts but I just can't hold it in any longer.

Excuses

When it comes to the quit, excuses are the rationalization of caving. Approximately 99.9% of cave explanations contain at least one excuse. Some contain so many excuses that it's difficult to imagine that person taking any responsibility for their own actions. Let's say that againÂ…taking responsibility for your own actions. That's what the quit is all aboutÂ…understanding that putting dip in your lip is a choice. Sometimes life dictates the choices we make and forces us to choose one thing over the other. However, the quit is not one of those things in life, we have complete, 100% control over our addiction. You just have to believe it.

Addiction

Read between the lines of all the excuses put forth on KTC and you'll notice a common theme. At some point, the person making the excuse will refer, indirectly or directly, to their addiction. Are we all addicts? Of course, but does that give us an excuse to cave? No, it doesn't. Here's why. The point of labeling our nicotine use as an addiction is simple. It shows us that we cannot partake in casual use or have "just one." The only way to quit is nicotine cessation in all forms. To excuse caves because we are addicts does no one any favors. All that does is create a cycle of excuses, each cave excused and forgiven just as the last until this place loses it's sole purposeÂ…to BE quit.

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.

Do unto others as you'd NEED them do unto you.

I'd need my ass kicked. Thanks to all of you who'd kick it. But not today, cuz I quit this morning.

[Coach Steve]

Alright boys and girlsÂ…I wanted to wait until day 700 to post some thoughts but I just can't hold it in any longer.

Excuses

When it comes to the quit, excuses are the rationalization of caving. Approximately 99.9% of cave explanations contain at least one excuse. Some contain so many excuses that it's difficult to imagine that person taking any responsibility for their own actions. Let's say that againÂ…taking responsibility for your own actions. That's what the quit is all aboutÂ…understanding that putting dip in your lip is a choice. Sometimes life dictates the choices we make and forces us to choose one thing over the other. However, the quit is not one of those things in life, we have complete, 100% control over our addiction. You just have to believe it.

Addiction

Read between the lines of all the excuses put forth on KTC and you'll notice a common theme. At some point, the person making the excuse will refer, indirectly or directly, to their addiction. Are we all addicts? Of course, but does that give us an excuse to cave? No, it doesn't. Here's why. The point of labeling our nicotine use as an addiction is simple. It shows us that we cannot partake in casual use or have "just one." The only way to quit is nicotine cessation in all forms. To excuse caves because we are addicts does no one any favors. All that does is create a cycle of excuses, each cave excused and forgiven just as the last until this place loses it's sole purposeÂ…to BE quit.

Support

Support is another word thrown around quite often on KTC. Several times I've read about AA support and why it's better than what we do here. Other times I've read about how our support should be unconditionally given, no matter how many times someone has caved. Why they say? Because we are addictsÂ…I say bullshit. My support is conditional. It's conditioned upon the fact that each day we put our name and quit day on roll call and keep our promise to ourselves and each other. Unconditional support is enabling the addict, and enabling the addict is accepting their bullshit excuses. Fuck that.