Nicotine, I Hate You

[cbird65]

Where the F are you!???

[sixercountry]

First off, I am not writing this to discourage any new quitters. I had trouble with this concept during the beginning of my quit. Many other quitters helped me wrap my head around this idea when I began justifying my monster craves. Let's just put it this way. How would you feel if you believed in Santa Clause, found out he was part of young people's imagination, but then found evidence that he was indeed real? This is what happened...........

If you have not heard, Tony Gwynn died today at the age of 54. This story was broadcast throughout the media today. Many mainstream media outlets as well as those that predominantly report on athletics informed the public of his death. Many of these media outlets explained that he had a career average of .338 or that he had over 3100 career hits. Very limited news reports explained stories about his son accidentally drinking from "spitters" when he was a child, how Gwynn left his house at 2 AM to buy tins of dip at the convenient store after attempted to quit cold turkey, and/or about how he dipped over a tin and a half per day for over 30 years. I did not hear however on a SINGLE news report that he died from using smokeless tobacco. News reports simply called it "cancer".

Earlier in my quit I was under the impression that every single person, organization, or health care affiliate on this earth explained to the public that dip causes cancer which in turn causes death. After countless research, I began understanding many doctors will not "go on record" as stating smokeless causes cancer. I found this to be absurd. I began to realize that many of these above mentioned groups or people had agendas. Many worked for politicians, big tobacco, or were justifying their own habit or dipping. After hearing and reading about how many could not go on record as to cause and effect for dip, I began to justify a cave based upon these bogus assumptions. I spoke with many quitters and they helped re-focus my attention on the truth and the causation and the slavery aspect. Here we are, 106 days today.

The Comprehensive Smokeless Tobacco Health Education Act was passed in 1986. This act required all smokeless companies to put "this product may cause mouth cancer" on the side of tins in a three warning rotation. "Warning Labels" are the middle labels and indicate a "potentially hazardous situation that, if not avoided, could result in death or serious injury." These warnings began to get entrenched in my mind. How many lawyers does big tobacco have? How many lobbyists does big tobacco have? How many politicians does big tobacco have in their pocket? Warning labels can not be good for business, correct? Big tobacco must have fought this in the early 80's. The battle must have been ferocious between Congress and Big Tobacco. The fact that Warning Labels were in fact placed on tins of dip is in fact a "go on record" moment. I do not see too many "this product may cause cancer" on many products. These products INCLUDE those that doctors have "gone on record" as saying they cause cancer lol. This is reason enough to think the product does indeed cause cancer....The other reason is that (not reported) Tony Gwynn himself said his years of dipping caused his death!!!

We know we have the resolve to do this. We will not allow those with agendas to kill us off for money. When you are thinking about justifying a cave because "it doesn't even cause cancer" just remember it does and will be you. Thank everyone. Stay quit. Out.

[Steakbomb18]

I am not attempting to knock anyone down from their highest quit pedestal. I guess you can call me a pessimist but I would probably see myself falling under the category of a realist. I am also a victim of the subject in this intro post. The post on my 103rd day quit.....

When we are feeling great about anything, it makes it so much easier. When we are healthy, engaging in enjoyable activities, and/or feel that unstoppable adrenaline rush when performing a task, things are much easier. I feel like we all have a little bit of front runner in us. This can be seen in the mental well being (of lack there of) during any period of our roller coaster quits. We naturally feel invincible when we are Seattle's defense, up by 2 touchdowns with 5 minutes left. These are the easy times. The times when we are prepared for any challenges related to our quit.....

What happens when there is a lull or a letdown??? What happens when we wake up sick of posting in 15 different HOF months, saying the lingo, and/or feel a little vulnerable??? What happens if we get sick??? What happens when a family member gets sick??? What happens when we lose our job???

I think the answer is to have balance. Maybe we need to engage in a level of involvement that is sustainable for the long haul. Maybe we need to work on the bonds we have made with our close friends on KTC. Either way, we need to translate the invincible times into every moment. Complacency is a bitch. I know I can avoid it together with you all and those in my support network. QLF. Out.

While there is some truth there, let me tell you what has worked for me - post roll first. Then engage in life as it needs you.

Work to do? Do it.

Kids/wife/gf/etc wants to play? Go play.

Need a break? Take one.

Need to engage? engage.

Take what you need and leave the rest. Everybody needs to recharge the battery and we all have varying ways of doing that. That is not saying to not post roll, but if you find it impossible to do what you need to do because you cannot disengage, text your roll in. Use the tools. Pasting it forward us great and this site and all of our success is predicated on it. However, there is a saying - always pay yourself first.

This is first and foremost your quit. You cannot be here to pay it forward if you cave or if you flame out. You owe it to yourself, your family, and your brothers to manage your involvement so neither of those happen.

The whole point of quit is to take back what is yours - your life. So do it.

One thing I'm hearing after reading your first and second post and, subsequently J2B's post is that Freedom is paramount. You either want it or you don't. If after the Xth number of attempts to quit with KTC, if you find yourself back at day one so many times, then at the end of the day...you just don't want it bad enough. When you get that freedom, it's time to act like you have your freedom again. Live and do. No longer is it, have a dip and hope to live, and maybe I'll do this after I make sure I have a dip in.

These posts are incredible Sixer.

[J2b]

I am not attempting to knock anyone down from their highest quit pedestal. I guess you can call me a pessimist but I would probably see myself falling under the category of a realist. I am also a victim of the subject in this intro post. The post on my 103rd day quit.....

When we are feeling great about anything, it makes it so much easier. When we are healthy, engaging in enjoyable activities, and/or feel that unstoppable adrenaline rush when performing a task, things are much easier. I feel like we all have a little bit of front runner in us. This can be seen in the mental well being (of lack there of) during any period of our roller coaster quits. We naturally feel invincible when we are Seattle's defense, up by 2 touchdowns with 5 minutes left. These are the easy times. The times when we are prepared for any challenges related to our quit.....

What happens when there is a lull or a letdown??? What happens when we wake up sick of posting in 15 different HOF months, saying the lingo, and/or feel a little vulnerable??? What happens if we get sick??? What happens when a family member gets sick??? What happens when we lose our job???

I think the answer is to have balance. Maybe we need to engage in a level of involvement that is sustainable for the long haul. Maybe we need to work on the bonds we have made with our close friends on KTC. Either way, we need to translate the invincible times into every moment. Complacency is a bitch. I know I can avoid it together with you all and those in my support network. QLF. Out.

While there is some truth there, let me tell you what has worked for me - post roll first. Then engage in life as it needs you.

Work to do? Do it.

Kids/wife/gf/etc wants to play? Go play.

Need a break? Take one.

Need to engage? engage.

Take what you need and leave the rest. Everybody needs to recharge the battery and we all have varying ways of doing that. That is not saying to not post roll, but if you find it impossible to do what you need to do because you cannot disengage, text your roll in. Use the tools. Pasting it forward us great and this site and all of our success is predicated on it. However, there is a saying - always pay yourself first.

This is first and foremost your quit. You cannot be here to pay it forward if you cave or if you flame out. You owe it to yourself, your family, and your brothers to manage your involvement so neither of those happen.

The whole point of quit is to take back what is yours - your life. So do it.

[sixercountry]

I am not attempting to knock anyone down from their highest quit pedestal. I guess you can call me a pessimist but I would probably see myself falling under the category of a realist. I am also a victim of the subject in this intro post. The post on my 103rd day quit.....

When we are feeling great about anything, it makes it so much easier. When we are healthy, engaging in enjoyable activities, and/or feel that unstoppable adrenaline rush when performing a task, things are much easier. I feel like we all have a little bit of front runner in us. This can be seen in the mental well being (of lack there of) during any period of our roller coaster quits. We naturally feel invincible when we are Seattle's defense, up by 2 touchdowns with 5 minutes left. These are the easy times. The times when we are prepared for any challenges related to our quit.....

What happens when there is a lull or a letdown??? What happens when we wake up sick of posting in 15 different HOF months, saying the lingo, and/or feel a little vulnerable??? What happens if we get sick??? What happens when a family member gets sick??? What happens when we lose our job???

I think the answer is to have balance. Maybe we need to engage in a level of involvement that is sustainable for the long haul. Maybe we need to work on the bonds we have made with our close friends on KTC. Either way, we need to translate the invincible times into every moment. Complacency is a bitch. I know I can avoid it together with you all and those in my support network. QLF. Out.

[SirDerek]

KTC has a special section for political conversations and I understand the importance of these separate sections. Many topics may be passionate subjects for many and some others may not like to engage in these types of conversations altogether due to lack of interest or other causes. I have been doing some thinking lately about KTC as it relates to a current political issue. I will not be mentioning any party affiliation as it relates to this issue (party sides is a media fabrication). I will simply refer to one side of the issue as being that of QuitSmokeless aka "lite" and the other obviously being KTC. I am relating this issue to KTC because I feel like many people including myself have been too lovey dovey. I think these may be my simple quit principles from this point forward. Here it goes.....

The hot button issue will be Entitlements. KTC unsurprisingly stands on the side of "Sixer's Easy Steps to Welfare reform". Lite lies on the opposite end. Many of us have been faced with difficult issues within our quits. We may have became in some ways involuntarily addicted to a drug. Many of us thought we would never become addicted. Others simply didn't care. We "liked" the effects the drug had on us and did not realize the ramifications until much later. We became hooked and needed help. We became victims to Big Tobacco. In the analogy, we became members of the population that now had to rely upon government assistance due to a life threatening event or occurrence. "Lite's" approach from this point forward would be to provide you with housing, cell phones, cash, food stamps, etc indefinitely. Just live off of other people. Have no self-respect or accountability to yourself or others. You want to cave?? It must have been someone else s fault. You want to not post?? its ok, here is a trophy for being the 57th best poster in your group. KTC has and should continue to have a much different approach. We understand that we all need help to overcome the issue. We provide support for our people. We are there to help on holidays or at 3 in the morning. KTC will provide you with the tools and services to get back on your feet. We only ask that you give full effort in return. At some point in time however, you must become accountable to yourself as well as others. KTC will not coddle you and continue to permanently give you things you have not earned. We understand that this feeling of entitlement is infectious to others and our future. We will not have others be negatively affected by your continued lack of respect for the process. This is why I stick with KTC and the bad ass quitters on this site that refuse to pat people on their ass and reward shitty and soft ass behavior.

I understand everyone needs an opportunity for a second and sometimes third chance. But the question of cutting dead weight is often discussed. I simply say, get rid of the weight after 2-3-5 chances to change. The half ass attitude of half ass quitters is infectious to everyone. I am simply tired of sob stories and excuses. Quit on. The support in this place is so awesome. The people and members of this site have been so instrumental to my quit. I am very grateful. Out

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Well stated sixer,

those have to understand that here at KTC we hate failure and do not accept it as an alternative. There are some that may fail in the task but what is wrong is that they fail in the understanding of what to do and of what it takes not to allow the fail back into their lives, so they keep repeating it. And there lies the issue.

[chewie]

KTC has a special section for political conversations and I understand the importance of these separate sections. Many topics may be passionate subjects for many and some others may not like to engage in these types of conversations altogether due to lack of interest or other causes. I have been doing some thinking lately about KTC as it relates to a current political issue. I will not be mentioning any party affiliation as it relates to this issue (party sides is a media fabrication). I will simply refer to one side of the issue as being that of QuitSmokeless aka "lite" and the other obviously being KTC. I am relating this issue to KTC because I feel like many people including myself have been too lovey dovey. I think these may be my simple quit principles from this point forward. Here it goes.....

The hot button issue will be Entitlements. KTC unsurprisingly stands on the side of "Sixer's Easy Steps to Welfare reform". Lite lies on the opposite end. Many of us have been faced with difficult issues within our quits. We may have became in some ways involuntarily addicted to a drug. Many of us thought we would never become addicted. Others simply didn't care. We "liked" the effects the drug had on us and did not realize the ramifications until much later. We became hooked and needed help. We became victims to Big Tobacco. In the analogy, we became members of the population that now had to rely upon government assistance due to a life threatening event or occurrence. "Lite's" approach from this point forward would be to provide you with housing, cell phones, cash, food stamps, etc indefinitely. Just live off of other people. Have no self-respect or accountability to yourself or others. You want to cave?? It must have been someone else s fault. You want to not post?? its ok, here is a trophy for being the 57th best poster in your group. KTC has and should continue to have a much different approach. We understand that we all need help to overcome the issue. We provide support for our people. We are there to help on holidays or at 3 in the morning. KTC will provide you with the tools and services to get back on your feet. We only ask that you give full effort in return. At some point in time however, you must become accountable to yourself as well as others. KTC will not coddle you and continue to permanently give you things you have not earned. We understand that this feeling of entitlement is infectious to others and our future. We will not have others be negatively affected by your continued lack of respect for the process. This is why I stick with KTC and the bad ass quitters on this site that refuse to pat people on their ass and reward shitty and soft ass behavior.

I understand everyone needs an opportunity for a second and sometimes third chance. But the question of cutting dead weight is often discussed. I simply say, get rid of the weight after 2-3-5 chances to change. The half ass attitude of half ass quitters is infectious to everyone. I am simply tired of sob stories and excuses. Quit on. The support in this place is so awesome. The people and members of this site have been so instrumental to my quit. I am very grateful. Out

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[sixercountry]

KTC has a special section for political conversations and I understand the importance of these separate sections. Many topics may be passionate subjects for many and some others may not like to engage in these types of conversations altogether due to lack of interest or other causes. I have been doing some thinking lately about KTC as it relates to a current political issue. I will not be mentioning any party affiliation as it relates to this issue (party sides is a media fabrication). I will simply refer to one side of the issue as being that of QuitSmokeless aka "lite" and the other obviously being KTC. I am relating this issue to KTC because I feel like many people including myself have been too lovey dovey. I think these may be my simple quit principles from this point forward. Here it goes.....

The hot button issue will be Entitlements. KTC unsurprisingly stands on the side of "Sixer's Easy Steps to Welfare reform". Lite lies on the opposite end. Many of us have been faced with difficult issues within our quits. We may have became in some ways involuntarily addicted to a drug. Many of us thought we would never become addicted. Others simply didn't care. We "liked" the effects the drug had on us and did not realize the ramifications until much later. We became hooked and needed help. We became victims to Big Tobacco. In the analogy, we became members of the population that now had to rely upon government assistance due to a life threatening event or occurrence. "Lite's" approach from this point forward would be to provide you with housing, cell phones, cash, food stamps, etc indefinitely. Just live off of other people. Have no self-respect or accountability to yourself or others. You want to cave?? It must have been someone else s fault. You want to not post?? its ok, here is a trophy for being the 57th best poster in your group. KTC has and should continue to have a much different approach. We understand that we all need help to overcome the issue. We provide support for our people. We are there to help on holidays or at 3 in the morning. KTC will provide you with the tools and services to get back on your feet. We only ask that you give full effort in return. At some point in time however, you must become accountable to yourself as well as others. KTC will not coddle you and continue to permanently give you things you have not earned. We understand that this feeling of entitlement is infectious to others and our future. We will not have others be negatively affected by your continued lack of respect for the process. This is why I stick with KTC and the bad ass quitters on this site that refuse to pat people on their ass and reward shitty and soft ass behavior.

I understand everyone needs an opportunity for a second and sometimes third chance. But the question of cutting dead weight is often discussed. I simply say, get rid of the weight after 2-3-5 chances to change. The half ass attitude of half ass quitters is infectious to everyone. I am simply tired of sob stories and excuses. Quit on. The support in this place is so awesome. The people and members of this site have been so instrumental to my quit. I am very grateful. Out

[sixercountry]

Thank you everyone for your support

[Doc Chewfree]

the hall - outstanding job sixer!

Congrats sixer! This is a great accomplishment and you should be extremely proud. Enjoy your day and come back here tomorrow to kick some more ass.

Congrats bro. Great to see the light bulb go off with us freaking retreads. Keep rocking this quit EDD.

Congrats sixer! Keep it up today.

Hey bro. Outstanding job reaching 100 days. I told you when you did, I'd pay for your HOF Coin. Shoot me a PM with some shipping info, and which coin you want and Ill getter ordered. Great job dude

Well done. Now repeat every 100 days.
QLF!

[Winter Green]

the hall - outstanding job sixer!

Congrats sixer! This is a great accomplishment and you should be extremely proud. Enjoy your day and come back here tomorrow to kick some more ass.

Congrats bro. Great to see the light bulb go off with us freaking retreads. Keep rocking this quit EDD.

Congrats sixer! Keep it up today.

Hey bro. Outstanding job reaching 100 days. I told you when you did, I'd pay for your HOF Coin. Shoot me a PM with some shipping info, and which coin you want and Ill getter ordered. Great job dude

[Derk40]

the hall - outstanding job sixer!

Congrats sixer! This is a great accomplishment and you should be extremely proud. Enjoy your day and come back here tomorrow to kick some more ass.

Congrats bro. Great to see the light bulb go off with us freaking retreads. Keep rocking this quit EDD.

Congrats sixer! Keep it up today.

[duathman]

the hall - outstanding job sixer!

Congrats sixer! This is a great accomplishment and you should be extremely proud. Enjoy your day and come back here tomorrow to kick some more ass.

Congrats bro. Great to see the light bulb go off with us freaking retreads. Keep rocking this quit EDD.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

the hall - outstanding job sixer!

Congrats sixer! This is a great accomplishment and you should be extremely proud. Enjoy your day and come back here tomorrow to kick some more ass.

[D2maine]

the hall - outstanding job sixer!