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Offline Mthomas3824

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Re: The first day...
« Reply #102 on: December 02, 2013, 11:06:00 AM »
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First of all, I truly hope everyone at KTC had a blessed Thanksgiving.

Now, I ask for your forgiveness because I am an addict and last night, on November 28, 2013 at approximately 0100 hours, I caved.

Earlier in the night on November 27, while on my way to work, I decided that I was done with this site and the members here.  I was done with my quit for the time being and I walked into a gas station and bought two cans of Skoal.  I put the cans in my work jacket and waited until after midnight.  I posted roll that day and I was going to keep my promise for that day—but as soon as midnight hit, I was going to cave.  It was a conscious decision and I battled internally, but I knew in my head that I was going to choose to be weak and give in.   

What happened?  I have been battling with the thought of caving for about 15 days now.  I would definitely call this a planned cave and even felt at times that it was only a matter of time before I succumbed to this bullshit addiction.  It was on the eve of Thanksgiving and I was missing my dad and I honestly just gave up.  I didn’t talk to anyone.  I didn’t tell my wife that I was planning on caving.  I didn’t reach out to a single soul here.  Like a mindless robot, I drove to the gas station and made a huge mistake that I wish like hell I could take back.  I took on an attitude of “I don’t care” and ran with it.

I caved because I am an addict and I didn’t take my quit seriously.  I talked a big game and even ripped some other cavers to shreds, despite the fact that I knew I was right on their heels in giving up.  I caved because I did not utilize the tools that were given to me here.  I have about 10 numbers and I didn’t use a single one.  The only person who I texted in the past week or so was Barca, who I can only assume is chewing again.  He has left the site and has not responded to my texts.  I don’t know what I expected from him.  Maybe I wanted him to tell me he was chewing again so I could feel justified in caving as well.  He was the first person to contact me on this site and I think him giving up (again, that’s an assumption) gave me a reason, as illogical and stupid as that sounds.  I’m not blaming him—the truth is, his absence here and the assumption of his failed quit should have fueled me. 

My plan was to chew these couple of cans and be done again.  I would simply leave KTC and do this on my own.  I felt that I didn’t owe any of you an explanation or an apology.  I felt that I didn’t have to be accountable to any of you.  I knew that coming back would result in me getting blasted by the true quitters here who have supported me.  In my moments of not caring I simply decided that I didn’t have to deal with that.  I now know that I can’t do it on my own and this site is exactly what I need to slay this addiction of 12 years once and for all.  My dad died of lung cancer after more than 40 years of smoking and I talked of how I was going to break the generational cycle of nicotine addiction in my family—for MY boys.  His death continues to rock me to my core and I used it as a crutch to not care.  That is a huge slap in the face to him and what he would want for me.  I am ashamed, but I am not giving up.  I have learned from this.  I am not giving up on my quit or this site.  I slipped for one day and that is all it took.  One day, where I chose to not battle, and here I am.  I lost a battle but the war wages on and I WILL win.  One day at a time.  It is now time to quit for MYSELF first, because before I wasn't doing that.  I was quitting for my family and I thought that would be enough.  I haven't dealt with the grief of losing my dad well and at times have hated the person I have been since he died.  I didn't respect myself.  My self-respect was non-existent and my brief stoppage in chewing was never about me.  That has to change.

What will I do different?  I will actually be a contributing member here.  I will quit talking a good game and actually take my quit seriously.  I will use the resources here and be in contact with other quitters here (especially the veterans).  I will get involved in the quits of the new members here.  If I’m even entertaining the idea of caving, I will pick up the phone, despite the fact that I work Graveyard and most everyone else here is sleeping.   

To the new quitters here, let this be a lesson to you.  I was 69 days into a quit that on the surface looked pretty solid.  For 69 days, I kept tobacco out of my mouth and posted roll every single day without fail.  Look at the December 2013 group—until November 28, I was a “100 percent poster.”  I was winning the battle and if you would have bet me a thousand dollars that I would ever take a chew again, I would have taken that bet before you could pull your hand back.  I had won, or so I thought.  I should be writing a rough draft of my Hall of Fame speech, but instead, I’m here telling you how I caved like a punk.

I’m still here.  I’m not giving in.  I am an addict.  I choose to fight my addiction head on and I will quit one day at a time and I will be here every day.

I am not trying to impress anyone with a long explanation here.  I am writing this for me and I am being honest.  December, I am sorry.  I let you down.  Please let this fuel your quit and don't make the same mistakes I did.  Don't ever get complacent.

Life isn't about the singular mistakes we make in moments of weakness.  Our true mettle is tested and revealed in our actions following those mistakes and I am here to prove to myself that I am a quitter.
I didn't read past, "I caved". Once I read that, I just wondered, why? We are all addicts. Some cave but some quit.

Did you make a promise to quit that day? Was alcohol your companion when you gave in?

I'm an addict too but I never ever want to act like a dog and lap up my own vomit. Yes you are an addict but how did you forget you wanted to be done with this crap?

If you were drinking, throw that bitch out too! Obviously, your word is forgotten when you drink. No buzz or drunkeness will ever replace the value and thrill of integrity.

Get free and take back your buried integrity. Crush the skull of nicotine today, and every today you live!

Fight to win your war with this bitch! Everyone is better and more powerful than the cravings. EVERY ADDICT that honestly wants to quit will not cave. They will learn the strategy and follow it.

Quit, keep your word and repeat daily. You either didn't make a promise or you didn't keep your word. Right? Right!
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #101 on: December 01, 2013, 07:21:00 PM »
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You missed roll yesterday. Did you cave again? Are you gone for good now? What about all that sunshine you were spewing? Just blowing it up our ass huh. Good luck to you. Maybe when you find out your way doesn't work you'll be back.
Talk is cheap, ain't it Sarge? I initially thought that you might have it all together after your cave, especially in light of that lengthy essay you obviously spent hours drafting...but after 2 days and no roll posting I guess I was wrong about you. You talked the talk for a day after caving, but it is obvious you can't walk the walk.
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #100 on: December 01, 2013, 11:12:00 AM »
You missed roll yesterday. Did you cave again? Are you gone for good now? What about all that sunshine you were spewing? Just blowing it up our ass huh. Good luck to you. Maybe when you find out your way doesn't work you'll be back.
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2013, 09:03:00 AM »
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Did you ever hear the sayin "Fuck me once...shame on you?" "Fuck me twice...shame on me?" He would not be welcomed back into my quit group, as the only thing he has consistantly demonstrated is a constant desire to use tobacco while throwing aside all quit protocol. I would not be shamed by this serial caver's lame excuses, as all his caves have continued to inflict harm and he is not an asset to any quit group. Cutting out this cancer is the only way to save the limb.
Sgt., I posted the above captioned quote in Chanch's intro this morning in response to his Thanksgiving Day cave. After reading your unsolicited response and explanation, I feel there is hope for you. I have always advocated giving a man the benefit of the doubt and helping him stand on his own two feet when he stumbles and falls. You, on the other hand, have picked yourself up, dusted yourself off, and formulated a game plan that should work for you. Accountability is all that is asked. Dont be a cancer to your new group or your old group for that matter either. Be a man. Lead the way for the new guys to follow. Stay strong and I will quit with you this fine day. I have also sent you my cell number by PM and expect a call if the urge hits you hard again. Wayne
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #98 on: November 29, 2013, 08:52:00 AM »
Hey sgt12, sounds like you thought a lot about what you need to do differently this time, you need to let your old group and March know what happened. Hopefully someone can learn from your story and not make the same mistake. 69 days down the drain sucks, seems like every group looses someone during that funk, live and learn.

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Re: The first day...
« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2013, 08:19:00 AM »
WOW! First off WTF?! C'mon man you planned your cave! That is some stupid BS. How'd you feel slapping that cancer causing turd in your lip? Did the suck go away? I don't think it did or you would not be back here so quick... I am disappointed. I could heap on the negative comments here but I am sure you know what a jackass you were behaving like. You must have felt like the biggest looser on the planet as you caved. Did you finish both cans of poison or did that first dip fill you with so much self loathing that you flushed 'em?

Second point: At least you are finally honest with yourself about your situation. You came back here after planning your cave with the intentions of being done with KTC so you must realize that it works here if you learn it, live it, and love it. I expect you to back up your talk by taking on a leadership role with your new quit group... I also think you need to make things right with your old quit group: you know how a quit-brothers cave can mess with you.

Re-read your intro thread. You did indeed talk the talk, but that makes me even more disturbed about your planned cave... BTW if you knew you were going to cave working graveyard is a BS excuse for not reaching out for the kick to the nuts you clearly needed. Damn it man I posted right here a few days ago about owning your quit and keeping your tools sharp! Just goes to show you that if you are not quitting for yourself and owning your quit, then all the quit power KTC has to offer is for naught. I am rooting for you Sarg, but you need to back-up your talk immediately.

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Re: The first day...
« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2013, 05:10:00 AM »
First of all, I truly hope everyone at KTC had a blessed Thanksgiving.

Now, I ask for your forgiveness because I am an addict and last night, on November 28, 2013 at approximately 0100 hours, I caved.

Earlier in the night on November 27, while on my way to work, I decided that I was done with this site and the members here. I was done with my quit for the time being and I walked into a gas station and bought two cans of Skoal. I put the cans in my work jacket and waited until after midnight. I posted roll that day and I was going to keep my promise for that day—but as soon as midnight hit, I was going to cave. It was a conscious decision and I battled internally, but I knew in my head that I was going to choose to be weak and give in.

What happened? I have been battling with the thought of caving for about 15 days now. I would definitely call this a planned cave and even felt at times that it was only a matter of time before I succumbed to this bullshit addiction. It was on the eve of Thanksgiving and I was missing my dad and I honestly just gave up. I didn’t talk to anyone. I didn’t tell my wife that I was planning on caving. I didn’t reach out to a single soul here. Like a mindless robot, I drove to the gas station and made a huge mistake that I wish like hell I could take back. I took on an attitude of “I don’t care” and ran with it.

I caved because I am an addict and I didn’t take my quit seriously. I talked a big game and even ripped some other cavers to shreds, despite the fact that I knew I was right on their heels in giving up. I caved because I did not utilize the tools that were given to me here. I have about 10 numbers and I didn’t use a single one. The only person who I texted in the past week or so was Barca, who I can only assume is chewing again. He has left the site and has not responded to my texts. I don’t know what I expected from him. Maybe I wanted him to tell me he was chewing again so I could feel justified in caving as well. He was the first person to contact me on this site and I think him giving up (again, that’s an assumption) gave me a reason, as illogical and stupid as that sounds. I’m not blaming him—the truth is, his absence here and the assumption of his failed quit should have fueled me.

My plan was to chew these couple of cans and be done again. I would simply leave KTC and do this on my own. I felt that I didn’t owe any of you an explanation or an apology. I felt that I didn’t have to be accountable to any of you. I knew that coming back would result in me getting blasted by the true quitters here who have supported me. In my moments of not caring I simply decided that I didn’t have to deal with that. I now know that I can’t do it on my own and this site is exactly what I need to slay this addiction of 12 years once and for all. My dad died of lung cancer after more than 40 years of smoking and I talked of how I was going to break the generational cycle of nicotine addiction in my family—for MY boys. His death continues to rock me to my core and I used it as a crutch to not care. That is a huge slap in the face to him and what he would want for me. I am ashamed, but I am not giving up. I have learned from this. I am not giving up on my quit or this site. I slipped for one day and that is all it took. One day, where I chose to not battle, and here I am. I lost a battle but the war wages on and I WILL win. One day at a time. It is now time to quit for MYSELF first, because before I wasn't doing that. I was quitting for my family and I thought that would be enough. I haven't dealt with the grief of losing my dad well and at times have hated the person I have been since he died. I didn't respect myself. My self-respect was non-existent and my brief stoppage in chewing was never about me. That has to change.

What will I do different? I will actually be a contributing member here. I will quit talking a good game and actually take my quit seriously. I will use the resources here and be in contact with other quitters here (especially the veterans). I will get involved in the quits of the new members here. If IÂ’m even entertaining the idea of caving, I will pick up the phone, despite the fact that I work Graveyard and most everyone else here is sleeping.

To the new quitters here, let this be a lesson to you. I was 69 days into a quit that on the surface looked pretty solid. For 69 days, I kept tobacco out of my mouth and posted roll every single day without fail. Look at the December 2013 group—until November 28, I was a “100 percent poster.” I was winning the battle and if you would have bet me a thousand dollars that I would ever take a chew again, I would have taken that bet before you could pull your hand back. I had won, or so I thought. I should be writing a rough draft of my Hall of Fame speech, but instead, I’m here telling you how I caved like a punk.

IÂ’m still here. IÂ’m not giving in. I am an addict. I choose to fight my addiction head on and I will quit one day at a time and I will be here every day.

I am not trying to impress anyone with a long explanation here. I am writing this for me and I am being honest. December, I am sorry. I let you down. Please let this fuel your quit and don't make the same mistakes I did. Don't ever get complacent.

Life isn't about the singular mistakes we make in moments of weakness. Our true mettle is tested and revealed in our actions following those mistakes and I am here to prove to myself that I am a quitter.
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #95 on: November 24, 2013, 09:46:00 AM »
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66 days.

Seeing a lot of BS around here lately.  Seeing some guys from my group drop like flies.  Seeing former HoF'ers cave and not care about it.  Posting two day 1's on back to back days. 

Who does that?

Not me.  I'm quit.  I post roll every single day without fail and know that I am $7 and a short drive from home away from a bad decision.

I quit today.  No chew for me.
I'm just 2 days ahead of you and pullin' You are quit my friend and you do get it! Some just won't ever get it...
Srg, I am 181 today and the last week or so has been full of craves, suck and funk for me compared to day 100-170, but I post roll everyday and keep KTC close to me, and this has kept my tools sharp. One never knows when they might need those tools. Own your quit, quit for you, and keep doing what has worked for you since your day 1.

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Re: The first day...
« Reply #94 on: November 24, 2013, 08:43:00 AM »
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66 days.

Seeing a lot of BS around here lately. Seeing some guys from my group drop like flies. Seeing former HoF'ers cave and not care about it. Posting two day 1's on back to back days.

Who does that?

Not me. I'm quit. I post roll every single day without fail and know that I am $7 and a short drive from home away from a bad decision.

I quit today. No chew for me.
I'm just 2 days ahead of you and pullin' You are quit my friend and you do get it! Some just won't ever get it...
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #93 on: November 24, 2013, 02:18:00 AM »
66 days.

Seeing a lot of BS around here lately. Seeing some guys from my group drop like flies. Seeing former HoF'ers cave and not care about it. Posting two day 1's on back to back days.

Who does that?

Not me. I'm quit. I post roll every single day without fail and know that I am $7 and a short drive from home away from a bad decision.

I quit today. No chew for me.
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #92 on: November 09, 2013, 08:23:00 AM »
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50 days feels great.
Great job sgt. For 50 days you have proved to yourself that you don't need it and never did. It continues to get better my friend. You've made it through one of the hardest doors. Keep adding bolt locks to that door and keep them locked at all times. Glad to be quit with you.
Thank you brother. I owe it to KTC. The program here WORKS.

I'll keep it going one day at a time. I'm proud to be quit with you too.
Oh yeah 50! Great work getting to 50 Sgt12! Still some tough days in the 50-100 range, but you have the tools now to get through. It just keeps getting better.
Like William Wallace said, "Freedom!!!". Congrats my brother!
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #91 on: November 08, 2013, 08:40:00 AM »
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50 days feels great.
Great job sgt. For 50 days you have proved to yourself that you don't need it and never did. It continues to get better my friend. You've made it through one of the hardest doors. Keep adding bolt locks to that door and keep them locked at all times. Glad to be quit with you.
Thank you brother. I owe it to KTC. The program here WORKS.

I'll keep it going one day at a time. I'm proud to be quit with you too.
Oh yeah 50! Great work getting to 50 Sgt12! Still some tough days in the 50-100 range, but you have the tools now to get through. It just keeps getting better.

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Re: The first day...
« Reply #90 on: November 08, 2013, 07:33:00 AM »
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Quote from: Sgt12
50 days feels great.
Great job sgt. For 50 days you have proved to yourself that you don't need it and never did. It continues to get better my friend. You've made it through one of the hardest doors. Keep adding bolt locks to that door and keep them locked at all times. Glad to be quit with you.
Thank you brother. I owe it to KTC. The program here WORKS.

I'll keep it going one day at a time. I'm proud to be quit with you too.
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2013, 07:27:00 AM »
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50 days feels great.
Great job sgt. For 50 days you have proved to yourself that you don't need it and never did. It continues to get better my friend. You've made it through one of the hardest doors. Keep adding bolt locks to that door and keep them locked at all times. Glad to be quit with you.
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Re: The first day...
« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2013, 07:06:00 AM »
50 days feels great.
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