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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2014, 04:18:00 AM »
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I'm ready for the shit storm this will create, but here goes.

The reason I don't tell her now is because our marriage has been pretty rocky for a long time. We work through it and keep making up, but it isn't a strong relationship. We have a newborn who spent 3 weeks in the NICU with a tumor on his pancreas (that was removed and he's totally fine now). She's not getting much sleep and my real fear is that as fragile as I still am in my quit that her reaction will be pure anger and I'll have to endure a barrage of judgement and criticism. I am not saying that I don't deserve it, I'm just saying that I don't know if I'm strong enough to take it just yet. That is a huge trigger for me. Fight in the past almost always = go have a dip. If my apology turns into a fight, I'm not sure how I'd fare.

Is it weak, yes. It is extremely weak and it's sad, but it's also reality and I must get stronger in my quit before I expose myself to that.

That being said, by day 30 I'll have that talk. I'll let you know when I do, and I'll most likely let you know before I do so that I can have a support group waiting to talk me off the ledge that I'm deathly afraid I'll be standing on after.
Sapper - One of the many great things about KTC is that there are so many people who can relate, in some or all respects, to what someone else is going through. It's also the paradox, since there's guys who went / are going through the same thing as you, and have vastly different experiences and, by extension, advice. For what it's worth, count me in the camp of you gotta do what you know is best for you and your family, and when you think it is best to do it. My wife  I have a 3-yr old son, and I vividly remember the first few months that he was home from the hospital -- and it was a Rubix-fucking-cube of sleep deprivation, batshit crazy hormones (hers, not mine), work schedules, and trying to figure out how to be first-time parents on the fly. In a nutshell, there was plenty of stress to go around. I have no idea if any those elements apply in your home at the moment, and you're obviously the best judge of when to have "the conversation", but I get where you're coming from in pegging a day in your quit to have the talk. Hell, if you continue earning points for being an engaged husband / father and pleasant to be around, the talk could be that much smoother -- presumably you could paint a pretty compelling before-and-after picture of your quit. Regardless, hope all is well on the home-front.

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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2014, 03:36:00 AM »
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Sapper,
You have received a lot of good advice here. I do want to caution you that even though you believe now that your mind is clear and you feel calm inside that the rages you experienced earlier a few days ago can still happen again. I see myself in you in the beginning.... A few months ago very early in my quit I experienced irrational rages over tiny minor things like parking on my side of the garage. Made no sense at all. It may help your wife to understand your behavior should this happen to you. I think all will understand and support you telling her when you are ready. Just keep in mind that in the beginning you may act a little wild and a little crazy.
Cross is right. Ive pretty much been sailing, but yesterday on my day 75 my phone kept freezing up when i was trying to look at my company website, out of know where i grit my teeth and started twisting my old ass piece of shit iphone 4 in half until i hear it start cracking. Then i stopped, it froze again and i literally held my fist up to it and it was everything i could to to stop myself from busting this piece of shit up. I dont have anger issues normally, just pointless temper flares every now and again. This has got me laughing now as i type it. How silly :) you are winning Sapper but never get complacent.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2014, 02:44:00 AM »
Sapper,
You have received a lot of good advice here. I do want to caution you that even though you believe now that your mind is clear and you feel calm inside that the rages you experienced earlier a few days ago can still happen again. I see myself in you in the beginning.... A few months ago very early in my quit I experienced irrational rages over tiny minor things like parking on my side of the garage. Made no sense at all. It may help your wife to understand your behavior should this happen to you. I think all will understand and support you telling her when you are ready. Just keep in mind that in the beginning you may act a little wild and a little crazy.

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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2014, 12:35:00 AM »
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Well, we went to dinner tonight and had a great time. I wasn't jonesing for a dip the whole time, nor was I short tempered and annoyed the whole time which is what I would have been two weeks ago and is also what has been driving a wedge between us. Anyway, she commented about how much fun she was having and that she was glad I was being pleasant and acting comfortable, not trying to rush things. Then she goes, "don't blow it."

I told her that I wouldn't that I was making some changes in my attitude and decisions and really striving to improve our relationship. She said that it tonight was a step in the right direction.

I couldn't bring myself to tell her about the dipping and quitting and all this. I honestly think it would have done more harm than good. We can talk about it later, right now, she needs to see tangible results and then I can tell her where they came from later.
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Actions do speak louder than words. You know your wife better than us. Just stay quit. That's your job now. Everything else will follow. That's what I believe anyways. Glad you had a good night.

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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #67 on: February 15, 2014, 12:16:00 AM »
Well, we went to dinner tonight and had a great time. I wasn't jonesing for a dip the whole time, nor was I short tempered and annoyed the whole time which is what I would have been two weeks ago and is also what has been driving a wedge between us. Anyway, she commented about how much fun she was having and that she was glad I was being pleasant and acting comfortable, not trying to rush things. Then she goes, "don't blow it."

I told her that I wouldn't that I was making some changes in my attitude and decisions and really striving to improve our relationship. She said that it tonight was a step in the right direction.

I couldn't bring myself to tell her about the dipping and quitting and all this. I honestly think it would have done more harm than good. We can talk about it later, right now, she needs to see tangible results and then I can tell her where they came from later.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2014, 10:01:00 PM »
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Here's the thing.  It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage.  I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment.  Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.

Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family.  Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her.  I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her.  I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan.  I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.

There is another benefit to this.  If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me.  She'll want proof that I'm serious.  If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days.  Here's the support network I've built.

I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now.  Maybe next week I'll think differently.  Right now, I don't.  I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.

I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
You can actually break this down into individual priorities. Each priority does not depend upon the others to succeed. Your children, your wife, and your quit. I went through a really hard time in my quit with my wife. Once I almost broke down and said screw it all, I'm gonna go get a dip. But then it hit me that there really is no promise that I'd be married forever. Being married is really not my choice only. There's any number of causes that could make me single. Let's not talk about those. So, i realized that in my future, I could be single. Would I want to be quit or an addict ? I chose to be quit, and that day by a conscious thought and rationalization, my quit became stronger. True. Being quit makes you better in the other areas of your life. And your priority as a parent is improved by you being quit. Being a spouse is improved by being quit. I'm just saying decide. Your quit ranks up there with equal importance. If she doesn't support you, then hey, it's for you first and foremost. It's worth it bro. And you know, regardless of your decision, were all proud to be quit with you.
I'm of a different thought. I know the vets here can tell us historically what has worked in the past, they sure know an awful lot about addict v quit. My lone caveat is this: Only Sapper knows his wife and marital qualities, hell none of us even know Sapper other than by what he's revealed. Of course the final decision is Sapper's, my unsolicited advice...do what you think will be best. Generating stress right now might not be in your best interest. On the other hand, she might jump for joy and encourage you, that's one very deep level of accountability. In the end, all that the KTC community ultimately desires is for you to remain in the quit.
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Sapper -

I will just add, whenever you break the news, there is support for you and for her. There is the section to read for the spousal support, but there is also a Ladies Only group over on FB for the female quitters and wives of quitters.

I was never a ninja, but my wife had no experience with any type of addiction in anyone in her family. She thought it was 'weird' when I wanted to meet some of the guys in person here, and brought her along to meet them and their wives. And it helped tremendously as she got to talk to them and find out more. And she now has been one of my biggest supporters to date and actually cannot wait to meet more.

Be good, be strong, and yell if you need anything.

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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2014, 09:08:00 PM »
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Here's the thing.  It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage.  I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment.  Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.

Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family.  Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her.  I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her.  I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan.  I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.

There is another benefit to this.  If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me.  She'll want proof that I'm serious.  If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days.  Here's the support network I've built.

I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now.  Maybe next week I'll think differently.  Right now, I don't.  I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.

I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
You can actually break this down into individual priorities. Each priority does not depend upon the others to succeed. Your children, your wife, and your quit. I went through a really hard time in my quit with my wife. Once I almost broke down and said screw it all, I'm gonna go get a dip. But then it hit me that there really is no promise that I'd be married forever. Being married is really not my choice only. There's any number of causes that could make me single. Let's not talk about those. So, i realized that in my future, I could be single. Would I want to be quit or an addict ? I chose to be quit, and that day by a conscious thought and rationalization, my quit became stronger. True. Being quit makes you better in the other areas of your life. And your priority as a parent is improved by you being quit. Being a spouse is improved by being quit. I'm just saying decide. Your quit ranks up there with equal importance. If she doesn't support you, then hey, it's for you first and foremost. It's worth it bro. And you know, regardless of your decision, were all proud to be quit with you.
I'm of a different thought. I know the vets here can tell us historically what has worked in the past, they sure know an awful lot about addict v quit. My lone caveat is this: Only Sapper knows his wife and marital qualities, hell none of us even know Sapper other than by what he's revealed. Of course the final decision is Sapper's, my unsolicited advice...do what you think will be best. Generating stress right now might not be in your best interest. On the other hand, she might jump for joy and encourage you, that's one very deep level of accountability. In the end, all that the KTC community ultimately desires is for you to remain in the quit.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #64 on: February 14, 2014, 05:37:00 PM »
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Here's the thing.  It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage.  I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment.  Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.

Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family.  Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her.  I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her.  I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan.  I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.

There is another benefit to this.  If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me.  She'll want proof that I'm serious.  If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days.  Here's the support network I've built.

I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now.  Maybe next week I'll think differently.  Right now, I don't.  I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.

I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
You can actually break this down into individual priorities. Each priority does not depend upon the others to succeed. Your children, your wife, and your quit. I went through a really hard time in my quit with my wife. Once I almost broke down and said screw it all, I'm gonna go get a dip. But then it hit me that there really is no promise that I'd be married forever. Being married is really not my choice only. There's any number of causes that could make me single. Let's not talk about those. So, i realized that in my future, I could be single. Would I want to be quit or an addict ? I chose to be quit, and that day by a conscious thought and rationalization, my quit became stronger. True. Being quit makes you better in the other areas of your life. And your priority as a parent is improved by you being quit. Being a spouse is improved by being quit. I'm just saying decide. Your quit ranks up there with equal importance. If she doesn't support you, then hey, it's for you first and foremost. It's worth it bro. And you know, regardless of your decision, were all proud to be quit with you.

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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #63 on: February 14, 2014, 05:31:00 PM »
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Here's the thing.  It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage.  I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment.  Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.

Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family.  Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her.  I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her.  I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan.  I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.

There is another benefit to this.  If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me.  She'll want proof that I'm serious.  If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days.  Here's the support network I've built.

I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now.  Maybe next week I'll think differently.  Right now, I don't.  I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.

I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2014, 04:27:00 PM »
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Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.

Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.

There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.

I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
I realize how stupid this sounds. No need to tell me.

I'll talk to her about it this weekend... maybe... after I give her lots of wine and chocolate and flowers... and a massage... and a trip to Paris.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2014, 04:12:00 PM »
Here's the thing. It won't be support that I get, it will regress our marriage. I know this because when I've owned up to far less imprtant and damaging things it isn't support that I get, it's anger, bitterness, and resentment. Of course, I know that the anger, bitterness, and resentment is because she's been unhappy with me for not spending enough time with her etc, doing the long shits for dip, the extra showers... I've been there and done them all.

Right now, while I am suffering, the biggest thing I've drilled into my head is that I will not make things worse for my family. Things have actually been improving at home for the last 12 days, because I'm spending time with my wife and I have not lost my cool with her. I'd like to continue to build that improvement, build my strength as a quitter, and then I will tell her. I will, I promise, I am not going to hide it forever, that isn't my plan. I just want to strengthen my quite and my relationship before I bring it up.

There is another benefit to this. If I go to my wife at day 12 and say I've been lying to you and doing this behind your back for years, but I'm done now, she won't believe me. She'll want proof that I'm serious. If I go to her after a month, I can say, look, here's all the bad I've done, but I can prove I've quit, I haven't done it for 30 days. Here's the support network I've built.

I'm serious about this... I know it's sounds like an excuse, and maybe it is, but it's the way my brain is processing it right now. Maybe next week I'll think differently. Right now, I don't. I want to, but I don't.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2014, 04:00:00 PM »
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I fully admit that you are all right.
Sapper,

I started dipping in 1995 as a 20-something; a late bloomer. I was ashamed of it and hid it from everyone. I was a chef at the time and worked 90+ hours a week. If I was at work I was going a mile a second and didn't have time to think about it. As soon as I got out of work I was filling my face in solitude.

Girlfriends came and went. They never knew. I made sure my house was "dip proof" whenever I left. The can was in my bag. The spitter (12 oz aluminum can) was in the back of a drawer at my desk. I never got caught.

I met my wife (a Rn in a NICU) in 1995 but we didn't date until 2001. From that first date until today we are inseparable, and yet I still dipped as a ninja and never got caught. I wouldn't spend the night at her place very often because I needed to get home to dip. If she stayed at my place I would struggle. Once she moved in I started taking multiple showers a day just for a few minutes of dip time. I would "shit" for the longest time. Irritable bowel syndrome, Crohn's diseases, and other illnesses were mentioned. Nope, I was fine, just hiding in the shitter dipping happily. I never slowed down. I managed to find time alone to ingest 1+ cans a day.

I wanted to quit when we got engaged. That didn't happen. I wanted to quit when we got married. That didn't happen. I wanted to quit when our first daughter was born. That didn't happen. I wanted to quit when our second daughter was born. That didn't happen. I did quit when I had a cancer scare from my dentist on 10/10/2012, 493 days ago. Now, for 16 years I dipped as a ninja and damn it I was going to quit as a ninja.

The first few days were easy. I was pissed at it! Then, it started to get rough. My wife has always worked nights and weekends, so I am Mr Mom a lot. A three year old and a baby was tough. I was foggy as could be but more noticeable was the fact that I was just miserable and hating everything about myself and my life.

I had met sox2012 for lunch in the early 20s of my quit. He too was a ninja and suggested I come clean to the wife and get her support. No way! For 16 years I dipped as a ninja and damn it I was going to quit as a ninja.

A few days later, day 28 to be exact, I was pissed, angry, pushing homicidal. At dinner my older daughter looked at me and then said to my wife, "Daddy doesn't seem happy anymore. What did we do?" That was my breaking point.

That night when the girls were taking a bath I talked to my wife. She asked if I was cheating on her, if I wanted a divorce. She asked about every situation that that could make a man "unhappy" to be at home with his family. I told her I was had been using tobacco and that I had quit, and that was why I "was a little off". It was the most difficult words I have ever spoken. Did she then understand? Hell no! She was pissed! She said that I had lied to her all those years (some chick logic about lying by omission, I still donÂ’t get that). I told her about KTC. I told her about the guys. I told her about Sox2012.

The next few days were nothing special, but her hatred towards me lessened. Not once, even to this day, has she ever said "I'm proud of you for quitting. I know it's hard". She doesn't understand this addiction. She knows that I will drop what I'm doing to meet a quitter in person if that opportunity arises. She knows that I am on KTC a lot. She knows there are a slew of contacts in my phone that all start with "KTC - ". She has grown to accept these facts. I don't know if the likes it or not. That doesn't matter, but she now knows I'm quit and that she and ours girls are getting the benefits of a happier husband and father, that doesn't lie, steal time and/or money, and one that doesn't hide from them to romance a slow death sentence.

This fight is difficult. Get all the help you can and start at home. Like quitting, it will suck in the beginning, but it will keep getting better with every +1.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2014, 03:27:00 PM »
I fully admit that you are all right.
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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2014, 03:04:00 PM »
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My advice is have the talk as soon as you can.  Regardless of the rocky past, there is always a chance that your showing a weakness can help strengthen the bonds that the two of you apparently have.

Glad to hear the newborn turned out fine now, but an unhealthy relationship can make for a very nasty child upbringing.  I understand what it is like to live in a china cabinet but over the years I have learned that no matter what I do a few plates are going to break, you have to be willing, open and honest 100% for things to work out.

I will never wish you luck with your quit but I will wish you luck in straightening out things on the home front.
I would talk with the wife ASAP. Dipping created a lot of issues in my marriage as well... I was a ninja dipper, lied about it and that was the main problem. I came clean to Mrs. Derk early  it made all the difference in the world. Don't sell your wife short... her reaction may surprise you. Read thru my intro a bit if you have time. The key is admitting you are an addict, you are committed to quitting and discuss the role of KTC in your quit. Quit on bro!
I have to agree with these guys. My wife likes and respects me a lot better after I told her everything. She trusts me now, she didn't before. I was a ninja and came clean with her. Home life has never been better, actually. PLUS, she can be a huge part of your accountability. You need that for you.
Hey Sapper,
Let's imagine that you took that one step further into your quit and actually decided, committed and believed that using nicotine wasn't even an option.

Now, go talk to your wife. Even if there is an argument, Nicotine isn't an option. You can handle it. Don't let nicotine help feed your fear of the WHAT IF. It's not an option. It doesn't get a say.

Own it. You got this!

Ginet
The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person who is doing it. ~ Chinese Proverb
Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply. ~ Stephen R. Covey

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Re: Sapper's Intro
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2014, 02:10:00 PM »
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My advice is have the talk as soon as you can.  Regardless of the rocky past, there is always a chance that your showing a weakness can help strengthen the bonds that the two of you apparently have.

Glad to hear the newborn turned out fine now, but an unhealthy relationship can make for a very nasty child upbringing.  I understand what it is like to live in a china cabinet but over the years I have learned that no matter what I do a few plates are going to break, you have to be willing, open and honest 100% for things to work out.

I will never wish you luck with your quit but I will wish you luck in straightening out things on the home front.
I would talk with the wife ASAP. Dipping created a lot of issues in my marriage as well... I was a ninja dipper, lied about it and that was the main problem. I came clean to Mrs. Derk early  it made all the difference in the world. Don't sell your wife short... her reaction may surprise you. Read thru my intro a bit if you have time. The key is admitting you are an addict, you are committed to quitting and discuss the role of KTC in your quit. Quit on bro!
I have to agree with these guys. My wife likes and respects me a lot better after I told her everything. She trusts me now, she didn't before. I was a ninja and came clean with her. Home life has never been better, actually. PLUS, she can be a huge part of your accountability. You need that for you.
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