Noob

[Steelers]

thanks SM

couldn't have said it better myself

way to take the doosh to school

Outstanding Response,

Completely reaffirmed my quit and gave me chills reading the Kern's letters.

Well Done

[loot]

thanks SM

couldn't have said it better myself

way to take the doosh to school

[Skoal Monster]

peekachoo,

I am no mere badass, I am an nicotine addict just like you.Probably worse than you, (I get the feeling your a cherry snus suppository kind of guy). I do however have a knack for helping douchetards unwrap their nicotine soaked skulls. I was trained by Smokeyg after I crashed my x-lander in the swamp. Although you may be beyond the skills of all the quit Jedi in the realm. 'chew3'

Read this first , unless you too busy, training for your next climbing event 'chief'

What Price to Save Ourselves?

For over 2 decades, my best quit efforts lasted maybe 10 or so days. Finally, asking myself the right question changed my attitude and made it possible to quit. This quit is not easy, but it is finally in MY CONTROL and (I firmly believe) FINAL.

Previously, I always asked "how can I find the strength to break this addiction? In particular, how can I get through the crushing brain fog that always leads to my demise. I can't stay quit or start quitting right now because I get too brain-stupid to get any work done." THAT QUESTION ALWAYS LED ME TO FAIL because (a) it gave me the choice to fail, and (B) it said I had other priorities that I would allow to interfere with quitting. This time, I asked myself a different question. "IS THERE ANYTHING I WILL NOT DO IN ORDER TO QUIT? IS ANY COST TOO HIGH?" Since nobody was asking me to give up my family, I decided the answer was "NO." I therefore decided that I WILL INCUR ANY COST WHATSOEVER TO QUIT. If I must, I will use up all my vacation time to get away from the office until the fog lifts. If I have no vacation time left, I'll call in sick (and I consider addiction withdrawal to be honestly sick). If I run out of vacation/sick time, I'll ask for unpaid leave until my head clears up and while I practice handling fewer stresses without opening a tin. If I can't get unpaid leave, I'll let that job go (and go find a new job AFTER I SAVED MY LIFE). If I can't afford being on unpaid leave or unemployment, I will swallow my pride and ask for help from family  friends, and I will sell my stupid car/house/stereo while I SAVE MY LIFE.

WOW, once I decided that NO COST WAS TOO HIGH TO SAVE MY LIFE, and that I would GLADLY INCUR THOSE COSTS, my whole mental attitude changed. No longer were there any impediments to quitting. Once that was my attitude, quitting was easier than I had experienced in prior efforts. I did have to cut back on my office time (and incur some temporary pay reduction), but nothing drastic. And in the long run, who gives a damn?

See, the real barrier wasn't quitting tobacco -- the real barrier had been what I had not CONSIDERED doing, or had not been WILLING to do, in order to make quitting the absolute #1 priority.

Another example: does quitting make being around the house unbearable? Negotiate leaving for 2 weeks!!! "Honey, I need these 2 weeks in order to give you the rest of my life. This isn't a vacation, this is the old 'stick with me in sickness and in health thing.' It's unfair to leave you with the kids, but I will make it up to you, and you will like the new me much better, and I won't go and get cancer on you.")

I came to this "At What Price" attitude after my wife died. She had been given a terminal diagnosis from hell with no hope whatsoever (Lou Gehrig's Disease). We had wished there was something/anything we could do, but there was not. And she had done nothing to deserve it (no smokes, barely drank, exercised regularly, young).

Now here I was, 14 months after she passed away, giving myself my own terminal sentence. But this was a sentence I had the power to stop. My wife had been denied any such power. So, every time I CHOSE to fill my lip, I insulted the memory of my wife. My wife and I would have paid ANY PRICE to save her: sacrificing job, house, friends, etc.

Once I asked "What Price" to save myself, the answers became rather obvious and easy. This quit is not easy, but now it is only a question of time. The fog still lingers some, but now I just ride it out rather than fight it or let it scare me back to the can.

Hey guys, don't fill the boards with condolences. It's been 15 months and I've come to terms with my loss. But I wanted to share this story to prompt you to ask yourselves, "Is Any Price Too High?" Are you putting artificial barriers (like the job, or conserving vacation days and sick leave, or keeping secrets from your wife) in the way of accomplishing THE MOST IMPORTANT GOAL in your life right now?

Would you quit your job, sell your house and move to a desolate place where you have no friends, all in order to save the life of your child, wife, or father? Of course you would. Now, do whatever you have to do, at whatever cost, to save your own life.

My comment of "fail" was to focus you on the fact that regardless of your lifestyle or roll call commitment or attendance at numerous grand openings of gay bath houses across America. Your quit BETTER be your top priority. If it isn't you'll cave.
Your quit is NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT GOAL in your life, and it should be.

It's that simple. Deny it, argue, scream, protest,scoff, but its still true. I'm sure your one ass licking( sorry L and K are really close together) name taking kinda gal. But your here for a reason. I have only been here for 463 days. But I have seen "you" come and go a dozen times. Your bravado and denial betray you. Most recently your name was Chugg, Another time you were Moose, and legion of quitters before. The man with the better mousetrap. I know you better than you think. I know the addiction that controls your life. I was you, except mountain goats give me the creeps so I stick to sea level. I'll eat my hat if you stick around to 100. My guess is you'll use the screw you guys, I don't need this bullshit route then take your ball and go home. This too is a use rationalization , I think somebody described it

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EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response

first rationalization is an excuse to leave the site, second is "look at this pathetic caver" to my knowledge you have yet to cave, your post is a response to a future cave? a freudian typo perhaps? or is a cigar just a cigar?

Recently started dating a new girl who exclaimed how disgusted she is by chewing.  Doesn't know I chew(ed),

You hide your addiction, why? like a heroin addict, or an alcoholic hiding a bottle in the closet. Your no different than the rest of us, your an addict. Addicts lie and hide. People with mildly disgusting habits don't.

Every day that I log in I'm glad to see his name, it means more than any other name. I hope that seeing my name on role means the same to him.

I felt the same way about a guy in my group with the same day
He killed himself around day 40, guess your right about it being harder for some. Quit related? anxiety related? maybe, I have some pm's from him that can demonstrate the intensity of what this addiction is capable of. This isn't just a journal to some people, this is life or death. If you just want to document your quit start a fucking blog or try microsoft word. The feedback your getting is not keyboard gorillas , but other well versed addicts calling you out on your own bullshit. You might as well walk into a AA meeting and claim that your really a casual drinker and will be much too busy with more important affairs than to tend to your sobriety or attend meetings. Besides you really don't want to quit "enjoying drinking" and you can quit anytime you want just because you set your mind to it. I almost started laughing reading this. I'm sure no one wanted to quit enjoying their drug of choice.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.

Nice try , but you really shouldn't bring a knife to a tank fight kiddo. My quit is sacred for a number of reasons, a main one is infact my family. But yes my quit comes before them. It has too. I quit for me first, and me only,but they win by default.
I have daughters and a son. Whats important to me?.... Below is taken from the Tom and Jenny Kern story. his daughter sometimes posts messages to Tom. Of course I doubt you've taken the time to read The Tom and Jenny Kern Story ,being busy climbing mountains and what not.

Hey Dad!

Just wanted to drop in and say hi. There is not a day that goes by when I don't miss you. I wish more than anything I could just have one last bear hug from you (yours were ALWAYS the best)! I would do anything just to have another day with you. I know you are in a better place, but it hurt so much not having you here with me.

I love you dad!

Kenzi
Kenzi Kern

Hey Dad-

Merry Christmas!!! I know this is your favorite time of year and we are all missing you so much over the holidays. Ryan, Kenra, and I went out and got a real tree agian this year...It makes me think of you every time I look at it! I miss you and love you so much wishing you could be here every day with us!!!

Merry Christmas Daddy!!!
Kenzi Kern
- Friday, December 25, 2009 8:24 PM CST

Happy Father's Day dad!! I love you and miss you so much. You would have been so proud of Connor today he pitched a good game, and Tori has a good tournament yesterday too, but I know you were there in spirit! I LOVE YOU AND MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kenzi Kern
Hutch, MN - Sunday, June 21, 2009 8:29 PM CDT

To see my children (ages 16, 12, 9, 7) touch their once robust, jolly father who lay lifeless in his hospital bed and know he was dying just killed me. Two days later, we were all around him as he took his last breath. Our oldest child threw herself on his legs and cried, "Don't go, Dad!"

Thats why my quit is the most important thing to me. It is why it comes before all else. It is why I would change my job, change my life, make any sacrifice or commitment. My family will not go through that if I can help it. I will not lay in a hospital bed and die hearing the sobs of my daughters.

As for you. nice fucking wannabe fantasy blog, pathetic quit. Until proven otherwise I standby my original viewpoint about your current scenario. I actually hope you prove me wrong, I wouldn't wish this addiction on anyone. However, until then I'm going to stick with ............

FAIL

Skoal Monster 462

[Rkymtnman]

rkymtnman, I log in here every day for a couple reasons. I respect what people are doing here. If seeing my name on the July list provides one more person to be accountable to than that's my part, ricemt28 is the another person in the July group with the same amount of days. Every day that I log in I'm glad to see his name, it means more than any other name. I hope that seeing my name on role means the same to him.

As for me, right now now I don't really need the support to quit, but this is a support group I realize that one day I may need it. When that day comes I'll be glad to be part of it (don't read that as I'm not already glad to be part of it), again it's like money in the bank.

I do appreciate your responses and I for one won't be the one who rips anyone for using the site in a manner that best fits them. These intro pages are generally just that - a journal for your quit but as public journals that allow for responses, guys will always speak their minds about how your post strikes them. Hell - that is exactly what I am doing.

Consider this - I don't NEED the support right now either. After nearly 500 days of quit, my quit if fucking rock ass solid - the door has been closed and I will chose to stay clean tomorrow as I did today WHETHER OR NOT I POST ROLL. However, I will most definitely post roll tomorrow and be a man of my word for tomorrow for my brothers as much as for myself. I have not missed a single day - ever - and I take some personal pride in that because had I missed a couple key days, I wouldn't be here now. When I woke up "that" day - I didn't know it would absolutely suck. I didn't know I would lose a family member, hear a diagnosis I didn't want to hear, get dealt some other "life set back" that would have sent me to the C-Store had I not posted roll. I had guys looking out for me and if it were not for them, I would be balls deep in a tin right now.

That said - I will reiterate that I do not need the support at the moment either. That does not mean that several of the guys I pm with on a regular basis - guys that I watch out for every day to be sure they post roll - don't. If I am not here to support them - likely someone else will but who's "job" it is to help the new guys out and watch out for them and help them along when life shits on them and they have a promise to keep?

I don't need the support right now. I will never shy away from the accountability and will remain accountable for fighting my addiction. I used for 26 years - through graduations, cross country moves, a wedding, birth of my 2 kids, death of loved ones, jobs, loss of jobs - name it - I used during it. THAT is the easy part. NOT using when life really fucking sucks is the tough part and unfortunately when you wake up first thing in the morning, you don't get to chose how your days goes or how the day of one of your quit brothers goes. Without the accountability, you may never get to the support and I think that is the point.

I am off the grid a ton as I travel the world - literally - for my job. A simple heads up is all people ask. That said, there has never been a 24 hour period in the past (almost) 500 days where I couldn't at least get a text message out to a brother with my word. Several continents, countries, remote back country hunts, etc. Not once. I know it is possible to get there and I am jealous of you for finding such solitude but trying to understand the reactions you are getting may just serve you well long after this place is a fleeting memory for you.

[pkpzp228]

I have been following this thread with detached bemusement.

On the one hand, it would be easy to say that you are raging (which is normal when withdrawing from nicotine). Then again, maybe not.

This site is what it is. On the credit side of the ledger, there is a ton of accumulated quit wisdom and support here. You could make a calendar of what is likely to occur appoximately when if you wanted.

On the debit side of the ledger, there is a lot of other stuff that is written that it looks like you could live without.

Why not filter it? The force of one is not going to change the way things are here. My suggestion is to take the good stuff here and filter out what you don't like. Just like you have a choice to make daily or hourly - to dip or not to dip - you also have a choice in whether or how you respond.

Really, does everything you've responded to really deserve a response?

It's a choice - on or off, read or don't read, respond or don't respond.

Good luck to you and I hope you find what you were looking for when you joined this site.

Well put my man, I realize that this my problem, I have a difficult time leaving things be sometimes. In any case thank you for the response. This is the kind of constructive comment that puts me in my place.

[Greg5280]

I have been following this thread with detached bemusement.

On the one hand, it would be easy to say that you are raging (which is normal when withdrawing from nicotine). Then again, maybe not.

This site is what it is. On the credit side of the ledger, there is a ton of accumulated quit wisdom and support here. You could make a calendar of what is likely to occur appoximately when if you wanted.

On the debit side of the ledger, there is a lot of other stuff that is written that it looks like you could live without.

Why not filter it? The force of one is not going to change the way things are here. My suggestion is to take the good stuff here and filter out what you don't like. Just like you have a choice to make daily or hourly - to dip or not to dip - you also have a choice in whether or how you respond.

Really, does everything you've responded to really deserve a response?

It's a choice - on or off, read or don't read, respond or don't respond.

Good luck to you and I hope you find what you were looking for when you joined this site.

I tried to say the same thing earlier... yours sounded better.

'winker'

[pkpzp228]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

WTF.

If you just wanted to use the site as a journal then why go on the attack as you did. I know I am only 8 days quit. Life sucks right now. I like the support I get from this site. I read the original post you were talking about. The guy was 2 or 3 days quit. He was going out of town for a wedding. Not to the top of a mountain. I understand off the grid. I live in New Mexico and have been off it many times. You might get questioned why you didn't post Roll. This is because you have support in your quit. If you truly don't need support in your quit then Just f'n quit the site. It is for people who need the support.

I am not questioning you ability to quit. Why slam on people who are having a hard time with it. Or trying to offer you their support. I would like to go on record that you are the Biggest Douche bag I have seen in a long time. I hope someone soon punches you in the DICK!!

Cheers,
James

I will say this,

Skoal Monster knows what the heck he is talking about. He gave me some solid advice on day 8-9 I believe when I was a heartbeat away from a cave. He did not know me at all. Take some time and read his posts. He has 6-7 in the words of wisdome section alone.

I believe he was not saying you will fail, he was saying you will fail if you don't make this the single most important part of your life right now, it is what it is. (Very much sucks)

That is, if you truly want to quit.

sm is mentioned in more than one hof speech...hmmm wonder why?

take some time and read the words of wisdom and hof speeches, ya might learn something instead of posting about "being off the grid" unless you're cia or special ops...doubt you can truly be off the grid except by choice

Been following this for some time now. Finding it pretty entertaining until today.

SM may not know a damned thing about you but I can guarantee you, he knows a thing or 2 about quitting, fighting your addiction and can spot addict-speak when he sees it.

I have to ask again since you never answered me the last time - WHY - if this place frustrates you so much and you can do this on your own, etc, etc, etc, - WHY log in every day? If all you want to do is take from here and not participate and/or give back, why bother? This place is about far more than just you.

I came here - read a ton about how it all works and what was "expected" of me before I posted up day 1. The people here have FAR better things to do than worry about your ass - yet that is exactly what they do. They suggest the path to success and you fight it tooth and nail. If you know better and have a better way to get it done, then I applaud the shit out of you. Go get it done. This just may not be the place for you. No harm done.

You either get with the program or you don't - but come in here and piss and moan all the fucking time about how we do it around here and you will ALWAYS meet with violent opposition - it isn't that tough to figure out dude.

Oh come on guys, I'm sure SM is a badass dude and a quitter with some great knowledge to share. I'm not knocking that, I just felt that "FAIL" was a good indicator that he took my statement the wrong way. Maybe I took it the wrong way.

rkymtnman, I log in here every day for a couple reasons. I respect what people are doing here. If seeing my name on the July list provides one more person to be accountable to than that's my part, ricemt28 is the another person in the July group with the same amount of days. Every day that I log in I'm glad to see his name, it means more than any other name. I hope that seeing my name on role means the same to him.

As for me, right now now I don't really need the support to quit, but this is a support group I realize that one day I may need it. When that day comes I'll be glad to be part of it (don't read that as I'm not already glad to be part of it), again it's like money in the bank.

[allec]

I have been following this thread with detached bemusement.

On the one hand, it would be easy to say that you are raging (which is normal when withdrawing from nicotine). Then again, maybe not.

This site is what it is. On the credit side of the ledger, there is a ton of accumulated quit wisdom and support here. You could make a calendar of what is likely to occur appoximately when if you wanted.

On the debit side of the ledger, there is a lot of other stuff that is written that it looks like you could live without.

Why not filter it? The force of one is not going to change the way things are here. My suggestion is to take the good stuff here and filter out what you don't like. Just like you have a choice to make daily or hourly - to dip or not to dip - you also have a choice in whether or how you respond.

Really, does everything you've responded to really deserve a response?

It's a choice - on or off, read or don't read, respond or don't respond.

Good luck to you and I hope you find what you were looking for when you joined this site.

[pkpzp228]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

WTF.

If you just wanted to use the site as a journal then why go on the attack as you did. I know I am only 8 days quit. Life sucks right now. I like the support I get from this site. I read the original post you were talking about. The guy was 2 or 3 days quit. He was going out of town for a wedding. Not to the top of a mountain. I understand off the grid. I live in New Mexico and have been off it many times. You might get questioned why you didn't post Roll. This is because you have support in your quit. If you truly don't need support in your quit then Just f'n quit the site. It is for people who need the support.

I am not questioning you ability to quit. Why slam on people who are having a hard time with it. Or trying to offer you their support. I would like to go on record that you are the Biggest Douche bag I have seen in a long time. I hope someone soon punches you in the DICK!!

Cheers,
James

let me clarify my man. I don't mean that I only want to this site as a journal, I just mean this thread. I also don't discount how difficult any persons quit is, I understand that everyones quit is different, some harder than others. And as for making role, no I don't find it acceptable not to make role when it's possible, the instance I was talking about was NTLY (sorry I don't recall if that's the correct handle but its close), he like me was talking about an instance where he wouldn't have the ability to make role.

[Rkymtnman]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

WTF.

If you just wanted to use the site as a journal then why go on the attack as you did. I know I am only 8 days quit. Life sucks right now. I like the support I get from this site. I read the original post you were talking about. The guy was 2 or 3 days quit. He was going out of town for a wedding. Not to the top of a mountain. I understand off the grid. I live in New Mexico and have been off it many times. You might get questioned why you didn't post Roll. This is because you have support in your quit. If you truly don't need support in your quit then Just f'n quit the site. It is for people who need the support.

I am not questioning you ability to quit. Why slam on people who are having a hard time with it. Or trying to offer you their support. I would like to go on record that you are the Biggest Douche bag I have seen in a long time. I hope someone soon punches you in the DICK!!

Cheers,
James

I will say this,

Skoal Monster knows what the heck he is talking about. He gave me some solid advice on day 8-9 I believe when I was a heartbeat away from a cave. He did not know me at all. Take some time and read his posts. He has 6-7 in the words of wisdome section alone.

I believe he was not saying you will fail, he was saying you will fail if you don't make this the single most important part of your life right now, it is what it is. (Very much sucks)

That is, if you truly want to quit.

sm is mentioned in more than one hof speech...hmmm wonder why?

take some time and read the words of wisdom and hof speeches, ya might learn something instead of posting about "being off the grid" unless you're cia or special ops...doubt you can truly be off the grid except by choice

Been following this for some time now. Finding it pretty entertaining until today.

SM may not know a damned thing about you but I can guarantee you, he knows a thing or 2 about quitting, fighting your addiction and can spot addict-speak when he sees it.

I have to ask again since you never answered me the last time - WHY - if this place frustrates you so much and you can do this on your own, etc, etc, etc, - WHY log in every day? If all you want to do is take from here and not participate and/or give back, why bother? This place is about far more than just you.

I came here - read a ton about how it all works and what was "expected" of me before I posted up day 1. The people here have FAR better things to do than worry about your ass - yet that is exactly what they do. They suggest the path to success and you fight it tooth and nail. If you know better and have a better way to get it done, then I applaud the shit out of you. Go get it done. This just may not be the place for you. No harm done.

You either get with the program or you don't - but come in here and piss and moan all the fucking time about how we do it around here and you will ALWAYS meet with violent opposition - it isn't that tough to figure out dude.

[cdforecheck]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

WTF.

If you just wanted to use the site as a journal then why go on the attack as you did. I know I am only 8 days quit. Life sucks right now. I like the support I get from this site. I read the original post you were talking about. The guy was 2 or 3 days quit. He was going out of town for a wedding. Not to the top of a mountain. I understand off the grid. I live in New Mexico and have been off it many times. You might get questioned why you didn't post Roll. This is because you have support in your quit. If you truly don't need support in your quit then Just f'n quit the site. It is for people who need the support.

I am not questioning you ability to quit. Why slam on people who are having a hard time with it. Or trying to offer you their support. I would like to go on record that you are the Biggest Douche bag I have seen in a long time. I hope someone soon punches you in the DICK!!

Cheers,
James

I will say this,

Skoal Monster knows what the heck he is talking about. He gave me some solid advice on day 8-9 I believe when I was a heartbeat away from a cave. He did not know me at all. Take some time and read his posts. He has 6-7 in the words of wisdome section alone.

I believe he was not saying you will fail, he was saying you will fail if you don't make this the single most important part of your life right now, it is what it is. (Very much sucks)

That is, if you truly want to quit.

sm is mentioned in more than one hof speech...hmmm wonder why?

take some time and read the words of wisdom and hof speeches, ya might learn something instead of posting about "being off the grid" unless you're cia or special ops...doubt you can truly be off the grid except by choice

[Steelers]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

WTF.

If you just wanted to use the site as a journal then why go on the attack as you did. I know I am only 8 days quit. Life sucks right now. I like the support I get from this site. I read the original post you were talking about. The guy was 2 or 3 days quit. He was going out of town for a wedding. Not to the top of a mountain. I understand off the grid. I live in New Mexico and have been off it many times. You might get questioned why you didn't post Roll. This is because you have support in your quit. If you truly don't need support in your quit then Just f'n quit the site. It is for people who need the support.

I am not questioning you ability to quit. Why slam on people who are having a hard time with it. Or trying to offer you their support. I would like to go on record that you are the Biggest Douche bag I have seen in a long time. I hope someone soon punches you in the DICK!!

Cheers,
James

I will say this,

Skoal Monster knows what the heck he is talking about. He gave me some solid advice on day 8-9 I believe when I was a heartbeat away from a cave. He did not know me at all. Take some time and read his posts. He has 6-7 in the words of wisdom section alone.

I believe he was not saying you will fail, he was saying you will fail if you don't make this the single most important part of your life right now, it is what it is. (Very much sucks)

That is, if you truly want to quit.

[ALBYJAY]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

WTF.

If you just wanted to use the site as a journal then why go on the attack as you did. I know I am only 8 days quit. Life sucks right now. I like the support I get from this site. I read the original post you were talking about. The guy was 2 or 3 days quit. He was going out of town for a wedding. Not to the top of a mountain. I understand off the grid. I live in New Mexico and have been off it many times. You might get questioned why you didn't post Roll. This is because you have support in your quit. If you truly don't need support in your quit then Just f'n quit the site. It is for people who need the support.

I am not questioning you ability to quit. Why slam on people who are having a hard time with it. Or trying to offer you their support. I would like to go on record that you are the Biggest Douche bag I have seen in a long time. I hope someone soon punches you in the DICK!!

Cheers,
James

[pkpzp228]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.

lol, I get your point here. I apologize if I come off as the elitist prick, I don't mean to offend. I've met some good people here and again I respect what you and the others do. It just frustrates the shit out me when people like skoal monster say that kind of crap. I mean come he doesn't now the first fucking thing about me. There are many important things in my life and regardless of whether my quit if the most important I'm not going to cave.


I look forward to seeing the names every day in my July group. I'm glad that they are here for me and vise versa. There are just so many people around here that are incapable of comprehending the difference between themselves and others.

[GlennFtheKodiak]

Quitting is important to me but it's not the most important thing in my life, it's just another thing that I haven chosen to do

FAIL

Says the anonymous winner!

I missed the origins of this discussion.

In short though, there's a few dicks on here no doubt. I'll be honest with you though, I never really got offended when I first joined, I welcomed the tough love and the advice.

Today I hit 400 days. I've probably missed posting roll 3 or 4 times, if that. To me it has never been a burden. Back in the old days as soon as my alarm clock went off I went downstairs and posted roll, religiously. Now, I take my time a little bit but i still make sure I do it daily and as early as possible. I've texted my roll in, I've called it in, I've done it from a laptop 3,000 miles away, at football camp, from the hospital, from a funereal, etc.

I learned quickly that posting roll is the foundation of how this site works. i embrace it. You are only hurting yourself by not doing it and that's the bottom line.

what part of off the fucking grid do you people not understand? Did I once anywhere say that I wouldn't make role because it's a burden or anything even remotely of the sort?

Let me summarize it for the people who don't have the time to read the discussion:

I spend a great deal of time "off the grid", like around 20 weekends a year. By off the grid I don't mean down at the river with my fly rod and cooler full of beer camping next to my truck. I mean like 12 miles from my vehicle, up above 13K ft. I carry things like an emergency beacon because if I fell down and broke my leg I would die of exposure long before I ever got any cell phone service. I stated that there will be time that I don't make role because I wont physically be capable of it.

And for that other fucktard that chimed, it's a good thing you don't have kids or a family cause it would be tragic to know that you quit is more important than they are.


EDIT: ugg I'm so over this fucking place. This is totally not the kind of person that I am. When logging into this site and reading what people have to say becomes the most stressful part of my day, it should be a clear indicator that I need a change of venue. Of course some ass clown that I've never seen a post from is goona respond with the same old "look at this pathetic caver letting the nic bitch run his life" response.

Why I even give a shit what people say or think has to be the most irritating part of this whole process. Personally I would like to see this thread locked from anyone other than me or mods posting. I'm just trying to use it as a journal.

LOL, I just re-read the entire thread. I had forgotten I had made some comments to you earlier. My bad.

Appears to me you have been fighting this/us the entire time you came on here. And I agree, this place is not for you. It's not for everybody.

You are much too smart, well-rounded, and busy for the likes of us.