Thansk for the info guys. I have tried the Smokey Mountain before and I just cann't do it. I think im gonna just try to stick with seeds, that way the fake shit wont be tempting me to cave. BTW, Skoal Monster, I loved the example you provided below. Give it a few more days and Im sure i'll feel like doing just that! HAve a good one guys, thanks, and one day at a time!