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Re: General Discussion - 2011
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #168 on: March 29, 2011, 12:44:00 PM »
Today’s lesson is in Leadership. Leadership is often used as a noun: “Our Leadership Team is…” I look at Leadership as more of a way of life. Below are 12 Leadership Traits that I feel are important for anyone in any and all leadership roles in their lives.
Which ones do you feel are most important? Which ones have you seen on display today? Which ones are you going to ensure you adopt and use in your life today and tomorrow?


BEARING
Definition. Creating a favorable impression in carriage, appearance, and personal conduct at all times.
Significance. The ability to look, act, and speak like a leader whether or not these manifestations indicate one's true feelings. Some signs of these traits are clear and plain speech, an erect gait, and impeccable personal appearance.
Example: Keeping your head, keeping your word and keeping your temper.

COURAGE
Definition. Courage is a mental quality that recognizes fear of danger or criticism, but enables a person to pro-ceed in the face of it with calmness and firmness.
Significance. Knowing and standing for what is right, even in the face of popular disfavor, is often the leader's lot.
Example. Accepting criticism for making subordinates work for an extra hour to get the job done correctly.

DECISIVENESS
Definition. Ability to make decisions promptly and to announce them in a clear, forceful manner.
Significance. The quality of character which guides a person to accumulate all available facts in a circumstance, weigh the facts, choose and announce an alternative which seems best. It is often better that a decision be made promptly than a potentially better one be made at the expense of more time.
Example. A leader who sees a potentially dangerous situation developing, immediately takes action to prevent injury from occurring.

DEPENDABILITY
Definition. The certainty of proper performance of duty, every day.
Significance. The quality which permits a senior to assign a task to a junior with the understanding that it will be accomplished with minimum supervision. This understanding includes the assumption that the initiative will be taken on small matters not covered by instructions.
Example. The leader is one who will continue to get the job done, every single day. Rain or shine, sick or tired, day in, and day out.

ENDURANCE
Definition. The mental and physical stamina measured by the ability to withstand pain, fatigue, stress, and hardship
Significance. The quality of withstanding pain during you daily life in order to improve stamina is crucial in the development of leadership. Leaders are responsible for leading their units in all kids of environments and for motivating them as well.
Example. A leader keeps up with his work load even though he has a new-born child at home and is getting very little sleep. A leader will work longer hours than most to ensure the daily operations are running smoothly so employees can work efficiently, and safely.

ENTHUSIASM
Definition. The display of sincere interest and exuberance in the performance of duty
Significance. Displaying interest in a task, and an optimism that it can be successfully completed, greatly en-hances the likelihood that the task will be successfully completed.
Example. A leader will lend a hand on a task that is otherwise unpopular. A leader will show true enthusiasm in the face of others thereby spreading a more positive attitude throughout the workforce.

INITIATIVE
Definition. Taking action in the absence of orders.
Significance. Leaders will often be left with little supervision. A true leader will be able to identify tasks and situations that need attention, and will complete said tasks without having to be told to do so.
Example. In the unexplained absence of a supervisor, the leader takes charge of the work force and carries out the daily schedule.

INTEGRITY
Definition. Uprightness of character and soundness of moral principles. The quality of truthfulness and honesty.
Significance. A man's word is his bond. Nothing less than complete honesty in all of your dealings with subordinates, peers, and superiors is acceptable.
Example. A leader who gives credit to subordinates that have completed tasks, or shown initiative in saving time on a task, or improving procedures rather than taking credit He can be counted upon to always respond truthfully and honestly.

JUDGMENT
Definition. The ability to weigh facts and possible courses of action in order to make sound decisions.
Significance. Sound judgment allows a leader to make appropriate decisions in the guidance and training of his works or peers. A Leader who exercises good judgment weighs pros and cons accordingly to arrive at an appropriate decision/take proper action.
Example. A leader properly apportions time off for his staff so as to optimally ensure the tasks are completed, and crucial positions are covered.

JUSTICE
Definition. Giving reward and punishment according to the merits of the case in question. The ability to administer a system of rewards and punishments impartially and consistently.
Significance. The quality of displaying fairness and impartiality is critical in order to gain the trust and respect of subordinates and maintain discipline and unit cohesion, particularly in the exercise of responsibility as a leader.
Example. Fair apportionment of tasks by a manager during unpopular tasks.

KNOWLEDGE
Definition. Understanding of a science or an art. The range of one's information, including professional knowledge and an understanding of your staff.
Significance. The gaining and retention of current developments in your field or expertise is important for your growth and development.
Example. The leader who not only knows how to do their own job, but knows how to perform tasks of his other workers or subordinates.

LOYALTY
Definition. The quality of faithfulness to one's seniors, subordinates, and peers.
Significance. You should show unswerving loyalty up and down the chain of command: to seniors, subordi-nates, and peers.
Example. No matter if you agree with the policy, or procedure sent down from above, you carry out the task as required. This shows your subordinates your loyalty to your administrators. When discussing a grievance from your subordinates, you carry that complaint to your higher eschelon.

TACT
Definition. The ability to deal with others without creating hostility.
Significance. The quality of consistently treating peers, seniors, and subordinates with respect and courtesy is a sign of maturity. Tact allows commands, guidance, and opinions to be expressed in a constructive and beneficial manner. This deference must be extended under all conditions regardless of true feelings.
Example. A leader discreetly points out a mistake in a procedure to a co-worker by waiting until after the task has been complete and privately discussing the correction

UNSELFISHNESS
Definition. Avoidance of providing for one's own comfort and personal advancement at the expense of others.
Significance. The quality of looking out for the needs of your subordinates before your own is the essence of leadership. This quality is not to be confused with putting these matters ahead of the accomplishment of the mission.
Example: An leader ensures that his subordinates have their vacation scheduled before his. He ensures his employees are properly paid, and takes care of grievances before his own.
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #167 on: March 23, 2011, 11:20:00 PM »
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If you like bacc-off, you will probably like smokey mountain better. give it a try sometime.
Probably, but wasting money on this shit is like wasting money on regular dip. I've already tossed $40 down to tubes for that Bacc-off shit and now Hooch is crap too.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #166 on: March 23, 2011, 05:21:00 PM »
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If you like bacc-off, you will probably like smokey mountain better. give it a try sometime.
Here are some Smokeless Alternative reviews if you're interested: http://www.killthecan.org/yourquit/reviews.asp
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #165 on: March 23, 2011, 05:19:00 PM »
If you like bacc-off, you will probably like smokey mountain better. give it a try sometime.
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #164 on: March 22, 2011, 06:18:00 PM »
I got some bacc-off cans I order last week today. Tastes alright, packs like sand, spits like normal dip, and is messy like a motherfucker. Incredibly foggy still, even with double trips to the gym, work, school, and a lot of water.

Hope everyone else is hanging in there.

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #163 on: March 21, 2011, 09:59:00 PM »
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Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.

You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??

'bang head'

Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.

Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!

'Finger'
Wow.. that is a painful read.

Just one of those things that makes you go hmmm ??! :huh:


Thanks for the info
sorry to jump on your post, thanks for the info

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #162 on: March 21, 2011, 09:58:00 PM »
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: shortround
Quote from: amgdenney
Quote from: wvsuper
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: boeckm33
Quote from: tarpon17
Quote from: scooners
Quote from: redtrain14
Quote from: noonelikesaquitter
Quote from: iuchewie
New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/
Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.

You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??

'bang head'

Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.

Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!

'Finger'
Wow.. that is a painful read.

Just one of those things that makes you go hmmm ??! :huh:


Thanks for the info

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #161 on: March 20, 2011, 09:25:00 PM »
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: shortround
Quote from: amgdenney
Quote from: wvsuper
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: boeckm33
Quote from: tarpon17
Quote from: scooners
Quote from: redtrain14
Quote from: noonelikesaquitter
Quote from: iuchewie
New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/
Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.

You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??

'bang head'

Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.

Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!

'Finger'
Wow.. that is a painful read.

Just one of those things that makes you go hmmm ??! :huh:

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #160 on: March 19, 2011, 05:09:00 PM »
Quote from: shortround
Quote from: amgdenney
Quote from: wvsuper
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: boeckm33
Quote from: tarpon17
Quote from: scooners
Quote from: redtrain14
Quote from: noonelikesaquitter
Quote from: iuchewie
New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/
Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.

You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??

'bang head'

Sigh.
We have no clue who these idiots might be. They could be under the employ of R.J. Reynolds for all we know.

Sorry, I won't take the bait again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!!!

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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #159 on: March 19, 2011, 12:10:00 PM »
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New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/
Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.
Wow.

You the man Chewie. Way to keep your composure while dealing with morons. People that use snus are healthier than those that quit altogether?? Nicotine doesn't kill? Wha.....??

'bang head'

Sigh.
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Re: General Discussion - 2011
« Reply #158 on: March 19, 2011, 11:17:00 AM »
Quote from: wvsuper
Quote from: 30yrAddict
Quote from: boeckm33
Quote from: tarpon17
Quote from: scooners
Quote from: redtrain14
Quote from: noonelikesaquitter
Quote from: iuchewie
New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/
Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.
No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.
Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.
I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.
Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.
Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?
Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.
wow, just damn wow, the level of ignorance is laughable.