General Discussion - 2011

[wvsuper]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.

Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.

I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.

Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.

Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?

Nice work with that chewie. It is really sad to see how the addiction we all have grips some so tightly by the balls that they will hold on to it and argue that people who are helping others quit are wrong.. Just really sad. Nothing that helps a man get off nic can be wrong.

[Greg5280]

I assume they went with "You can mope, or you can Snus" because "You can mope, or you can fucking kill yourself" didn't quite give the impression they were looking for.


More accurate though, in my opinion.

Beautiful !! Well said.

It still amazes me that a product this deadly can be sold.

[30yraddict]

Just out of curiosity, what happened to Aquaman43 and SOS? Both are retired admins that disappeared some time ago

[sensei]

In reference to the facebook / Spit out blog post I wanted to point out a couple things that I saw with these knuckleheads.


These are typical arguments from dudes that have their mind set on something and they think that just because there is "research" that is must be true.

For those that care about this shit, I looked on pubmed and did a cursory search for snus AND cancer, boom a bunch of crap comes up.

Keep in mind when looking at research related to topics like tobacco and pharmaceuticals it is REALLY import to look at who is writing the paper. Most of the time there are clear conflicts.

example: This Paper says how great and cancer free the shit is. BUT the author is this guy. oops, Mr. Lee works for the Tobacco Research Council as well as various pharmaceutical companies.

Next on the list was This Gem. But oooooopppps the lead author is funded by UST via Univ of Alabama at Birmingham.

So right off the bat I pull two articles about the topic and both have conflicts of interest.... The "research" that these butt plugs are referring to are funded by tobacco companies.

Essentially these tobacco companies bring out a new product and compete with themselves. It's a very smart business strategy, but it sucks for us when they are selling death.

carry on.

[Ballplayer27]

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

I assume they went with "You can mope, or you can Snus" because "You can mope, or you can fucking kill yourself" didn't quite give the impression they were looking for.


More accurate though, in my opinion.

[30yraddict]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.

Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.

I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.

Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.

Damnit Chewie, If I'd a known that this website causes cancer, I'd have stayed the fuch away! And what you got against swedes anyhow?

[boeckm33]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.

Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.

I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.

Wow, they are fucking stupid. Thanks Chewie for all you do with the site it saved my life.

[tarpon17]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.

Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.

I'm almost speechless. Almost. Many many kudos to Chewie for not blasting the F bomb at Chad and Venus.

Now I'm a bit perturbed. Maybe I should have gone to lite, because I'm not sure I was truly addicted. Ha, well....I'd better stop, I may burst something.

Overall, bullshit. That's all I can say.

[Nolaq]

So I joined this site a while ago, hoping that it would maybe give me the motivation t quit. I read the HOF speeches and I surfed around here for a while before I just said, fuck it, and never came back.

But today, I woke up, took the tin of Grizzly pouches sitting on my desk, and tossed them in the toilet. In angst, and a lot of anger, I pissed on the sorry bastards and flushed them, sending a thick loogie their way as well. I logged in a few minutes ago and posted roll. (Yeah, I know it's 2:30 in the afternoon, but I didn't have classes today, shoot me) Today is going to be the start of something big, I can feel it.

Why have I decided finally to just get this done with? Because I'm scared, that's why. Because for a few weeks now, I've been feeling shitty. I've been getting a lot of sores in my mouth and that worries me. I have this feeling like there's a lump in my throat and after I researched it online, it could be something like a tonsil stone or having to do with my acid reflux, but I don't buy any of that shit. I think it's something from dipping and I'm scared shitless. Maybe it's cancer, maybe that'll teach me a lesson to give up stupid habits.

All I've heard from this shit has been raves about how good the support is. I haven't heard from anyone, but I just want to say thank you in advance, for I feel as though I'll need it soon enough.

Your post goes up 30 minutes ago and you're whining that we're not tripping over ourselves to hold your hand?

Really?

Check your Inbox (1). Upper right corner.

[fightinIrish]

So I joined this site a while ago, hoping that it would maybe give me the motivation t quit. I read the HOF speeches and I surfed around here for a while before I just said, fuck it, and never came back.

But today, I woke up, took the tin of Grizzly pouches sitting on my desk, and tossed them in the toilet. In angst, and a lot of anger, I pissed on the sorry bastards and flushed them, sending a thick loogie their way as well. I logged in a few minutes ago and posted roll. (Yeah, I know it's 2:30 in the afternoon, but I didn't have classes today, shoot me) Today is going to be the start of something big, I can feel it.

Why have I decided finally to just get this done with? Because I'm scared, that's why. Because for a few weeks now, I've been feeling shitty. I've been getting a lot of sores in my mouth and that worries me. I have this feeling like there's a lump in my throat and after I researched it online, it could be something like a tonsil stone or having to do with my acid reflux, but I don't buy any of that shit. I think it's something from dipping and I'm scared shitless. Maybe it's cancer, maybe that'll teach me a lesson to give up stupid habits.

All I've heard from this shit has been raves about how good the support is. I haven't heard from anyone, but I just want to say thank you in advance, for I feel as though I'll need it soon enough.

[scooners]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.

Wow, just wow................. a quick "google" of snus yeilded these gems:

A: From Wikipedia,

Health consequences
Warning label on a container of swedish snus, the text reads: "This tobacco product may affect your health negatively and is addictive".Since snus is not intended nor recommended for inhalation, it does not affect the lungs as cigarettes do. Because it is steam-cured, rather than fire-cured like smoking tobacco or other chewing tobacco, it contains lower concentrations of nitrosamines and other carcinogens that form from the partially anaerobic heating of proteins; 2.8 parts per mil for Ettan brand compared to as high as 127.9 parts per mil in some American brands, according to a study by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Department of Health.[4] The World Health Organization (WHO) acknowledges that Swedish men have the lowest rate of lung cancer in Europe, partly due to the low tobacco smoking rate, but does not argue for substituting snus for smoking, citing that the effects of snus still remain unclear. Around 2005 several reports, partially funded by the snus industry, pointed to the fact that no carcinogenic effects could be attributed to Nordic snus and this resulted in the removal of the warning label that claimed snus could cause cancer. It was replaced with the more vague label "Can affect your health negatively". Research is still going on but at the moment no conclusive reports have been made regarding the health effects of snus.

Many cardiologists believe that nicotine products (oral) contribute to the potentiation of sympathetic nerve tone , and may aggravate hypertension due to the effects of nicotine on cholinergic and dopaminergic neurotransmission. At higher doses, tachycardia and reflex bradycardia can also occur , trigerring serious arrythmias or even cardiac arrest in sensitive individuals . Further studies are needed in this regard.

The European Union banned the sale of snus in 1992, after a 1985 WHO study concluded that "oral use of snuffs of the types used in North America and western Europe is carcinogenic to humans", but a WHO committee on tobacco has also acknowledged that evidence is inconclusive regarding health consequences for snus consumers.[3]. Only Sweden and EFTA-member Norway are exempt from this ban. A popular movement during the run-up to the 1994 referendum for Sweden's EU membership made exemption from the EU sale ban of snus a condition of the membership treaty.

Recent actions by many European governments to limit the use of cigarettes has led to calls to lift the ban on snus, as it is generally considered to be less harmful than cigarette smoke, both to the user[5] and to others.

* I think the cardiologists warning is enough for me not to choose this shit.

B: From USA Today:

"This is a growth strategy for us," says Bill Phelps, spokesman for Philip Morris USA, the nation's biggest tobacco company and maker of Marlboro, the top-selling cigarette. In Dallas this month, Philip Morris is launching its first smokeless product with a cigarette brand name: Marlboro Snus.

R.J. Reynolds, second in U.S. tobacco sales, is expanding tests of its Camel Snus from two cities to eight, which will include Dallas this month. Its ads have a "pleasure for wherever" tagline and a playful tone. Its "abridged guide to snusing" says, "Picture yourself stuck in the center seat 44B of an airplane: You can mope, or you can Snus."

*I am so glad my eyes are open, and I am not being led around by my addiction any more.

[redtrain14]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

No kidding...that was gold chewie...pure gold.

[Nolaq]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

Holy smokes!

Thank you Chewie for going through that exercise. I couldn't in a million years be able to gracefully, and respectfully deal with such ignorance.

Thanks for all you do my man. And just so you know, I'm here to help too.

I'll see you tomorrow.

[chewie]

New blog post: KTC, Facebook And The Great American Spit Out
http://blog.killthecan.org/2011/03/ktc- ... -spit-out/

[Oldog]

I have been on Lexapro since day 1 of my quit(three weeks today). I had the same problems. I had the burning in my chest as well. Scared the shit out of me. Felt great last week, normal for a change. However, I started having the symptoms again yesterday and today. Not sure what to think about it. Thought my body would be used to it by now.

Dealing with alot of anxiety and I'm now on Lexapro.  I'm feeling some side effects from this but the doctor said to hang in there and this it is normal at first from this anxiety med.  That said how many people had the hot flashes/burning feeling in arms, hands, sholders and Face? 

KTM640

I had those symptoms when I tried Lexapro, including increased anxiety. Sometimes that shit has an opposite affect as intended. Getting off dip, I just suffered from extreme anxiety and the screaming poops.

Thanks for the reply just wondering if anyone else was working the same issue at this time. I think the hotflashes are part of the anxiety. My anxiety has been so bad that I'm going to try and ride out the symptoms of the meds since the doc says thay will get better in about a month. Any others out there working the hotflashes with or without anxiety meds? Stay quit

KTM640

Sorry. I posted that wrong. Top quote is mine.