General Discussion - 2014

[Diesel2112]

I don't know if this is the place to rant or if I'm cutting into any ongoing conversations but I'm having a rough day.

This is my day 5 today. I felt foggy and sh*tty all day.

I used to dip when I was stressed out and today really tested me.
My house was broken into and my car was stolen early this morning. With just the way I've been feeling over the past five days dealing with the quit (disgruntled, angry, stressed, craving), you couldn't have picked a worst time for something like this to happen.

I thought about dipping a lot today. It's driving me nuts. I won't do it though. I came onto the KoC.org a couple times throughout the day and read some articles and posts and that really helped get me past the urge. Thanks for the inspiration everyone, thanks for giving me a reason not to go back to dipping.

That sucks about your house getting broken in to and your car stolen. I'm truly sorry to hear that.

Gotta ask yourself though, would your house NOT have been broken into if you were still dipping? Nope. Would your car still be here? Nope. If you loaded your lip, would your house magically be normal again and your car suddenly reappear? Nope.

Today would still have sucked, it just would have sucked while you sucked on some poison.

I used to think dip relieved stress. That was a lie. The only thing dip relieved was nicotine withdrawal. It just seemed to relieve stress because when I was stressed, that urge for nicotine magnified 1,000 times over. When I put in a dip, I would say "Ahhhhh" but that wasn't reliefe from the stressful situation, it was relief that I filled my brains need for nicotine. When I spit my dip out , all my problems were still there and needed to be dealt with. Nicotine filled NO voids in my life. It created them.

The body knows how to deal with stress without the help of nicotine. Unfortunately for us nic addicts we got lost along the way and were tricked into thinking we couldn't "deal" without our nic crutch.

It is possible to lose that crutch and "deal" again. I and many here are living proof of that.

It's just going to take awhile. Getting through days like today without your crutch, is one hell of step in the right direction. I know it sucked but It was a victory. Keep stringing victories together and things will get progressively easier.

This site can help you tremendously. Are you posting role? Have you started an intro page? Have you jumped into chat? Their are a lot of people here who can help you. Use them.

Keep grinding. You got this. You need anything, hit me up any time.

Quit on...

[wastepanel]

I don't know if this is the place to rant or if I'm cutting into any ongoing conversations but I'm having a rough day.

This is my day 5 today. I felt foggy and sh*tty all day.

I used to dip when I was stressed out and today really tested me.
My house was broken into and my car was stolen early this morning. With just the way I've been feeling over the past five days dealing with the quit (disgruntled, angry, stressed, craving), you couldn't have picked a worst time for something like this to happen.

I thought about dipping a lot today. It's driving me nuts. I won't do it though. I came onto the KoC.org a couple times throughout the day and read some articles and posts and that really helped get me past the urge. Thanks for the inspiration everyone, thanks for giving me a reason not to go back to dipping.

Just sent you my number, man.

You can do this.

[GetOutOfMyWay]

I don't know if this is the place to rant or if I'm cutting into any ongoing conversations but I'm having a rough day.

This is my day 5 today. I felt foggy and sh*tty all day.

I used to dip when I was stressed out and today really tested me.
My house was broken into and my car was stolen early this morning. With just the way I've been feeling over the past five days dealing with the quit (disgruntled, angry, stressed, craving), you couldn't have picked a worst time for something like this to happen.

I thought about dipping a lot today. It's driving me nuts. I won't do it though. I came onto the KoC.org a couple times throughout the day and read some articles and posts and that really helped get me past the urge. Thanks for the inspiration everyone, thanks for giving me a reason not to go back to dipping.

[chewie]

You're here looking around and reading, wondering, 'Could I actually walk away? Not dip again, forever?'

Forget forever. Those on this site all quit the same; one day (hour, minute, second) at a time. Spit it out - you're quit. Now don't dip for the next second. When you have two, promise to quit for the third and do it. Don't look ahead just quit for the now.

sbtzc 8 years ~ around 2,920 days ~ around 70,080 hours ~ around 4,204,800 minutes ~ around 252,288,000 seconds of freedom,.. one at a time

Good to see you sir! And HUGE congrats on 8 years of freedom!!!

[sbtzc]

You're here looking around and reading, wondering, 'Could I actually walk away? Not dip again, forever?'

Forget forever. Those on this site all quit the same; one day (hour, minute, second) at a time. Spit it out - you're quit. Now don't dip for the next second. When you have two, promise to quit for the third and do it. Don't look ahead just quit for the now.

sbtzc 8 years ~ around 2,920 days ~ around 70,080 hours ~ around 4,204,800 minutes ~ around 252,288,000 seconds of freedom,.. one at a time

[chewie]

So inhaling nicotine vapor is 60% more effective in quitting smoking than other methods?!?!?!

'Crazy'

Idiots!

Yes it is. And as what some people call an alcoholic I can assure you that switching from beer to ale solved my problem.

Flawed logic.

Here's the link to the survey.

5863 people in the last year were used, and of those 3477 attempted cold turkey (59.30%), 1922 used NRT (32.78%), and the rest used e-cigs (7.92%). It began in 2009, and just concluded now. Basically, they kept sending surveys to these people asking if they were quit (not sure how often or when they stopped) but because e-cigs are so new...most "quitters" using these were under 6 months. They also defined a non-smoker (thus, successful) as somebody who answered "Are you still smoking?" with "no". Now, I've done quite a bit of research on e-cigs and one of the things I've noticed is that they don't consider "vaping" as "smoking" (kind of like our "stopping" and "quitting" difference). So, vapors are more likely to report being quit despite still using nicotine. I even emailed the authors for verification of this. They also ruled out group therapy as an option.

At the end of the study, 93 people "quit" using e-cigs (20.0%), 194 using NRT (10.1%), and 15.4% (or 535) quit going cold turkey. Now, instead of reporting that cold turkey methods are more effective than NRT, the headline became about the e-cigs. Like I mentioned, flawed stats here due to terminology and time.

So, I've seen this study reported all over, but it's interesting to note that nobody is talking group therapy (what we do) and that cold turkey is more effective anyways. For perspective, KTC is about 35-40% to HOF and 25-30% at 6 months. We trounce all of these numbers, and we are the program that these quit lines all over the world want to be. But, as much as I laud the program, the magic comes from all of us that "pay it forward". When we were at the smokeless summit last August, they all stood up there and challenged the programs to get their quitters involved. We do that. They wanted quitters to write about their experiences, and hadn't had any luck with it. We do that. They salivated at the numbers we post every day, and unfortunately, didn't understand why we concerned that they chose to protect their medication money over their support money when push came to shove.

We were the only group at the summit that didn't promote NRT's. There was a lot of interest in what we had to say but I think it'll take time to change the state programs that get lobbied hard to promote NRT's as the best quitting method to preserve their market.

NRT= $$$

Plain and simple. *sigh*

[Kdip]

So inhaling nicotine vapor is 60% more effective in quitting smoking than other methods?!?!?!

'Crazy'

Idiots!

Yes it is. And as what some people call an alcoholic I can assure you that switching from beer to ale solved my problem.

Flawed logic.

Here's the link to the survey.

5863 people in the last year were used, and of those 3477 attempted cold turkey (59.30%), 1922 used NRT (32.78%), and the rest used e-cigs (7.92%). It began in 2009, and just concluded now. Basically, they kept sending surveys to these people asking if they were quit (not sure how often or when they stopped) but because e-cigs are so new...most "quitters" using these were under 6 months. They also defined a non-smoker (thus, successful) as somebody who answered "Are you still smoking?" with "no". Now, I've done quite a bit of research on e-cigs and one of the things I've noticed is that they don't consider "vaping" as "smoking" (kind of like our "stopping" and "quitting" difference). So, vapors are more likely to report being quit despite still using nicotine. I even emailed the authors for verification of this. They also ruled out group therapy as an option.

At the end of the study, 93 people "quit" using e-cigs (20.0%), 194 using NRT (10.1%), and 15.4% (or 535) quit going cold turkey. Now, instead of reporting that cold turkey methods are more effective than NRT, the headline became about the e-cigs. Like I mentioned, flawed stats here due to terminology and time.

So, I've seen this study reported all over, but it's interesting to note that nobody is talking group therapy (what we do) and that cold turkey is more effective anyways. For perspective, KTC is about 35-40% to HOF and 25-30% at 6 months. We trounce all of these numbers, and we are the program that these quit lines all over the world want to be. But, as much as I laud the program, the magic comes from all of us that "pay it forward". When we were at the smokeless summit last August, they all stood up there and challenged the programs to get their quitters involved. We do that. They wanted quitters to write about their experiences, and hadn't had any luck with it. We do that. They salivated at the numbers we post every day, and unfortunately, didn't understand why we concerned that they chose to protect their medication money over their support money when push came to shove.

We were the only group at the summit that didn't promote NRT's. There was a lot of interest in what we had to say but I think it'll take time to change the state program directors minds that get lobbied hard by drug companies to promote NRT's, to promote cold turkey like KTC does as the most effective quitting method

[wastepanel]

So inhaling nicotine vapor is 60% more effective in quitting smoking than other methods?!?!?!

'Crazy'

Idiots!

Yes it is. And as what some people call an alcoholic I can assure you that switching from beer to ale solved my problem.

Flawed logic.

Here's the link to the survey.

5863 people in the last year were used, and of those 3477 attempted cold turkey (59.30%), 1922 used NRT (32.78%), and the rest used e-cigs (7.92%). It began in 2009, and just concluded now. Basically, they kept sending surveys to these people asking if they were quit (not sure how often or when they stopped) but because e-cigs are so new...most "quitters" using these were under 6 months. They also defined a non-smoker (thus, successful) as somebody who answered "Are you still smoking?" with "no". Now, I've done quite a bit of research on e-cigs and one of the things I've noticed is that they don't consider "vaping" as "smoking" (kind of like our "stopping" and "quitting" difference). So, vapors are more likely to report being quit despite still using nicotine. I even emailed the authors for verification of this. They also ruled out group therapy as an option.

At the end of the study, 93 people "quit" using e-cigs (20.0%), 194 using NRT (10.1%), and 15.4% (or 535) quit going cold turkey. Now, instead of reporting that cold turkey methods are more effective than NRT, the headline became about the e-cigs. Like I mentioned, flawed stats here due to terminology and time.

So, I've seen this study reported all over, but it's interesting to note that nobody is talking group therapy (what we do) and that cold turkey is more effective anyways. For perspective, KTC is about 35-40% to HOF and 25-30% at 6 months. We trounce all of these numbers, and we are the program that these quit lines all over the world want to be. But, as much as I laud the program, the magic comes from all of us that "pay it forward". When we were at the smokeless summit last August, they all stood up there and challenged the programs to get their quitters involved. We do that. They wanted quitters to write about their experiences, and hadn't had any luck with it. We do that. They salivated at the numbers we post every day, and unfortunately, didn't understand why we concerned that they chose to protect their medication money over their support money when push came to shove.

[Mjollnir]

So inhaling nicotine vapor is 60% more effective in quitting smoking than other methods?!?!?!

'Crazy'

Idiots!

Yes it is. And as what some people call an alcoholic I can assure you that switching from beer to ale solved my problem.

[Nolaq]

So inhaling nicotine vapor is 60% more effective in quitting smoking than other methods?!?!?!

'Crazy'

Idiots!

[jthomas38]

Two days without a dip. Think tomorrow will be the worst so far because I'll be in the car all day.

Be prepared. Take some seeds, some gum, some candy, some fake if you have any. Anything to feed the oral fixation.

Have you posted roll? Do you have any numbers for any guys/gals in your group? Use them if need be.

You got this man, it's a necessary step in taking back your life

Quit on...

Two days without a dip. Think tomorrow will be the worst so far because I'll be in the car all day.

Be prepared. Take some seeds, some gum, some candy, some fake if you have any. Anything to feed the oral fixation.

Have you posted roll? Do you have any numbers for any guys/gals in your group? Use them if need be.

You got this man, it's a necessary step in taking back your life

Quit on...

From JThomas38.....on Day 7
For 23 years I dipped, everyday. Since joining KTC, I'm on Day 7 of no dip. Never thought I could do it after 23 years but I can. And, I'm feeling good.

It just feels like people tugging and twisting you, that's all. It's not happening, it just feels like it. Enjoy it, that's what I did. Sounds crazy but it's pretty easy if you can get a cheap laugh out of it. It's almost like a nitrous buzz or spin the top.....just look at it like that and don't think too much of it.

You're not born to put that shit in your mouth. Go back to your roots. Good luck, it's doable.
JT

[Diesel2112]

Two days without a dip. Think tomorrow will be the worst so far because I'll be in the car all day.

Be prepared. Take some seeds, some gum, some candy, some fake if you have any. Anything to feed the oral fixation.

Have you posted roll? Do you have any numbers for any guys/gals in your group? Use them if need be.

You got this man, it's a necessary step in taking back your life

Quit on...

[BMCD]

Two days without a dip. Think tomorrow will be the worst so far because I'll be in the car all day.

[DaveKnight]

3300 big ones today. None more important than this one.

If you are lurking. Scared. Jump on in. It can be done. We can show you how. It won't be easy by any stretch...but it's managable.

Flush your stash...you know you want to. You know you need to.

Father's Day is tomorrow. What better gift for your children than to spend the day with a lickably clean dad?

Let's get it.

It doesn't matter how many times I see it... "lickably clean" makes me shudder every... damn... time.

Hope you enjoyed your Dad's Day yesterday my man!

Wow, that does read pretty bad.

[chewie]

At the community pool with my kids.

Some dad here walking around, spitting into an empty Sprite bottle.

I shoulda worn my KTC shirt today.

I'm so glad I'm not that guy any more.

I bought a used touring for my bike on Saturday. I met the old dude at a gas station and he was sitting in his truck. Spit bottle in the console and when I shook his hand he had a fatty in and his bottom teeth were all gross looking like he never brushed his teeth. Followed him to his house and he showed me the trunk and his bike. Empty used plastic spit bottle in the cup holder. Thought about telling about the site but since the dude was in his 70's figured it would be a waste of time since he would probably never quit.

I LOVE not being that guy...