Gum Grafts - I've had 5!

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

I just posted this in Kjsylva82's "scared as hell" feed... I thought some of you other newbies would like to know what is waiting for you if you don't keep posting roll...

I've had 5 gum grafts (maybe more? I have honestly lost count).. they are painful as hell... they never put me to sleep when I get them.. they lay your ass back in a dentists chair under a bright ass light.. you have to keep your mouth wide open for an eternity.. after a while your jaws cramp so damn bad you have to take breaks.. they will give you a lot of numbing agent at first in the roof of your mouth and in your gums on both sides (inside  outside of your gums) because the stitches go all the way through your gums.. the first few shots are really the only ones that actually hurt, because after that it is numb.. There are several bad parts of this procedure.. my least favorite is when they cut the hunk of skin out of the roof of your mouth.. they pretty much have you blind folded and your numb as hell.. still you can tell because the dr says "open wide".. the scalpel goes into the roof of your mouth and you immediately taste blood.. because it runs into the back of your throat.. (this is one good thing about being a dipper.. we have an auto shut off back there and we can block from swallowing!) after the dr. makes the first few slices there.. eventually they have to saw the hunk of skin off  THIS IS THE PART I HATE.. your head moves with the sawing action! by this time they have already completely pulled  scraped what is left of your gums in the bottom away from your teeth as to put the newly cut piece from the roof of your mouth.. this next part irks the shit out of me.. my dr always lays the hunk of skin from the roof of my mouth on my shoulder until she is ready to put it into place.. then.. finally when she is ready.. the hunk of meat from the roof of my mouth.. it is tightly packed between my old gum (whats left of it)  my teeth.. then it is stitched into place.. with a rather large needle that goes all the way through your teeth and gums and back around to neatly sew the new hunk of gum into place.. the entire time this is happening the assistant is sucking blood from your mouth and throat with a large tube.. under the blindfold you can see massive amounts of blood going through the tube.. once were done.. a piece of plastic called a stint is placed in the roof of your mouth, to keep you from bleeding.. for the next week or so it is very soft food and eating on one side of your mouth.. very slowly and carefully not to rip anything away from the gum or hit the roof of your mouth.. you are incredibly swollen and sore for a few days..often during the 1st few nights you bleed from the roof of your mouth while sleeping and gag on bloodÂ… now just imagine being so addicted that within hours of leaving this surgeryÂ… you want to dip so badly that you put a dip into your top lip just to get your nic fix.. you have to do it just right.. any sucking action and you will unclot the roof of your mouth and bleed out like a stuck hog.. Never has a gum graft surgery ever stopped me from dipping.. only when I got tired of all the shit did I stop.. when I got tired of being a fucking slave and paying big money to be the slave. Today even though its only been 12 days.. I still want to dip a few times a day.. but you know what.. I donÂ’t have to! Gone are the days when I have a surgery and I cannot even make it through the rest of the day and I have to pack that shit into my top lip to get the fix.. tell me I am not an addict! I am totally an addict.. if you are here.. guess what?? You probably are too. Today I am so thankful.. I do not have to dip! The nic bitch has lost her fucking power today boys.. I respect the shit out of her because I know what she can do to me.. but today I say no thanks.. actually I say Fuck You and all the pain that comes with you.. I am free today! Thanks fellas! Gooch

Not sure why but I thought of this guy today and this post that scared me over 4 years ago. Took me some time to find again but i was able to, finally.

Maybe it can help.someone else? Who knows...

Sadly, even after all this he still caved and vanished. I wonder how many more gum grafts he has had since.

Smh...

Quit on...

Wow. What a thread. He is probably still chewing or had is lower jawbone replaced with part of his tibia.

[Diesel2112]

I just posted this in Kjsylva82's "scared as hell" feed... I thought some of you other newbies would like to know what is waiting for you if you don't keep posting roll...

I've had 5 gum grafts (maybe more? I have honestly lost count).. they are painful as hell... they never put me to sleep when I get them.. they lay your ass back in a dentists chair under a bright ass light.. you have to keep your mouth wide open for an eternity.. after a while your jaws cramp so damn bad you have to take breaks.. they will give you a lot of numbing agent at first in the roof of your mouth and in your gums on both sides (inside  outside of your gums) because the stitches go all the way through your gums.. the first few shots are really the only ones that actually hurt, because after that it is numb.. There are several bad parts of this procedure.. my least favorite is when they cut the hunk of skin out of the roof of your mouth.. they pretty much have you blind folded and your numb as hell.. still you can tell because the dr says "open wide".. the scalpel goes into the roof of your mouth and you immediately taste blood.. because it runs into the back of your throat.. (this is one good thing about being a dipper.. we have an auto shut off back there and we can block from swallowing!) after the dr. makes the first few slices there.. eventually they have to saw the hunk of skin off  THIS IS THE PART I HATE.. your head moves with the sawing action! by this time they have already completely pulled  scraped what is left of your gums in the bottom away from your teeth as to put the newly cut piece from the roof of your mouth.. this next part irks the shit out of me.. my dr always lays the hunk of skin from the roof of my mouth on my shoulder until she is ready to put it into place.. then.. finally when she is ready.. the hunk of meat from the roof of my mouth.. it is tightly packed between my old gum (whats left of it)  my teeth.. then it is stitched into place.. with a rather large needle that goes all the way through your teeth and gums and back around to neatly sew the new hunk of gum into place.. the entire time this is happening the assistant is sucking blood from your mouth and throat with a large tube.. under the blindfold you can see massive amounts of blood going through the tube.. once were done.. a piece of plastic called a stint is placed in the roof of your mouth, to keep you from bleeding.. for the next week or so it is very soft food and eating on one side of your mouth.. very slowly and carefully not to rip anything away from the gum or hit the roof of your mouth.. you are incredibly swollen and sore for a few days..often during the 1st few nights you bleed from the roof of your mouth while sleeping and gag on bloodÂ… now just imagine being so addicted that within hours of leaving this surgeryÂ… you want to dip so badly that you put a dip into your top lip just to get your nic fix.. you have to do it just right.. any sucking action and you will unclot the roof of your mouth and bleed out like a stuck hog.. Never has a gum graft surgery ever stopped me from dipping.. only when I got tired of all the shit did I stop.. when I got tired of being a fucking slave and paying big money to be the slave. Today even though its only been 12 days.. I still want to dip a few times a day.. but you know what.. I donÂ’t have to! Gone are the days when I have a surgery and I cannot even make it through the rest of the day and I have to pack that shit into my top lip to get the fix.. tell me I am not an addict! I am totally an addict.. if you are here.. guess what?? You probably are too. Today I am so thankful.. I do not have to dip! The nic bitch has lost her fucking power today boys.. I respect the shit out of her because I know what she can do to me.. but today I say no thanks.. actually I say Fuck You and all the pain that comes with you.. I am free today! Thanks fellas! Gooch

Not sure why but I thought of this guy today and this post that scared me over 4 years ago. Took me some time to find again but i was able to, finally.

Maybe it can help.someone else? Who knows...

Sadly, even after all this he still caved and vanished. I wonder how many more gum grafts he has had since.

Smh...

Quit on...

[Bruce]

Gum Grafts, guess who had their 6th today...


This thread reeks of failure. Reading it this dude wanted his quit. But failed, why? Because his addiction got ahold of him and he didn't know where else to reach to but his cancer can. That's why you need to change your mentality, do not use the word want. I want a million dollars, I want not to have to pay bills, I want a super model girlfriend...I won't get those. But I WILL quit today. That's for g'damn sure


I want him to come back...

[Kubrick]

Damn saw this post bumped and though maybe Gooch had come back to quit. Guess he'll wait until his gums and teeth are completely gone or he gets that one sore in his mouth that never goes away...

[Coach Steve]

This is very disheartening...

When I was creeping around the site before I flushed my can 126 days ago, I came across Gooch's story. I was planning on flushing it a few days later but after reading his story and the pain and shit he went through I flushed it that night.

Ive been preoccupied with my quit and my other quit brothers so I havent looked in on Gooch until today... I saw that his most recent activity was over 4 months ago and my stomach dropped...I thought "No, he couldnt have caved, not Gooch he was too strong, especially after having all those surgeries theres no way he did..."

Then I came in here.

It truly is a sad day. Gooch was the first number I got on this site.

Now that I'm done being sad, Gooch if your reading this, Thank you. Thank you for sharing your story and helping me cross that line and flush my can. Thank you for solidifying my quit with your cave. I will not give in to the bitch like you have. I will be stronger than you are...I will not go back to finger fucking a can, jamming cancer dirt in my lip. I want my fucking lips, I want to kiss my wife and future kids with my lips. I like my teeth, I love chewing food with my shiny whites, and flashing a smile at my wife. I love my tongue, I definitely love tasting food and eating other things that arent food (if you know what i mean 'Y' )

I'm pissed the bitch got another great guy. Im pissed that he didnt have the testicular fortitude to stick it out. Im pissed that despite peoples best efforts he still gave in to the bitch.

This will NOT have a negative impact on my quit...I am quit today...I will be quit tomorrow...

Gooch was unique and funny as hell. Quit within a few days of me. When I hit the hof I texted him and thanked him. He said he was happy for me and congratulated me, that's the kind of guy he was. Said he was doing well. Hope he still is. Good guy.

Caver.

Haven't heard that name in awhile. (Gooch) When he caved I had a really tough time with it. It sent me into a major funk. Wondering why someone that had experienced so much pain would go back. Then someone told me not to worry about him, and focus on my quit.
Cavers affect me differently now, NOW I eat their discarded quits for lunch. Shit them out and look for more. Can't get enough. If they don't want them I'll take them gladly, weak people can kiss my ass...

Exactly. Caver. Nothing to see here.

[kana]

This is very disheartening...

When I was creeping around the site before I flushed my can 126 days ago, I came across Gooch's story. I was planning on flushing it a few days later but after reading his story and the pain and shit he went through I flushed it that night.

Ive been preoccupied with my quit and my other quit brothers so I havent looked in on Gooch until today... I saw that his most recent activity was over 4 months ago and my stomach dropped...I thought "No, he couldnt have caved, not Gooch he was too strong, especially after having all those surgeries theres no way he did..."

Then I came in here.

It truly is a sad day. Gooch was the first number I got on this site.

Now that I'm done being sad, Gooch if your reading this, Thank you. Thank you for sharing your story and helping me cross that line and flush my can. Thank you for solidifying my quit with your cave. I will not give in to the bitch like you have. I will be stronger than you are...I will not go back to finger fucking a can, jamming cancer dirt in my lip. I want my fucking lips, I want to kiss my wife and future kids with my lips. I like my teeth, I love chewing food with my shiny whites, and flashing a smile at my wife. I love my tongue, I definitely love tasting food and eating other things that arent food (if you know what i mean 'Y' )

I'm pissed the bitch got another great guy. Im pissed that he didnt have the testicular fortitude to stick it out. Im pissed that despite peoples best efforts he still gave in to the bitch.

This will NOT have a negative impact on my quit...I am quit today...I will be quit tomorrow...

Gooch was unique and funny as hell. Quit within a few days of me. When I hit the hof I texted him and thanked him. He said he was happy for me and congratulated me, that's the kind of guy he was. Said he was doing well. Hope he still is. Good guy.

Caver.

Haven't heard that name in awhile. (Gooch) When he caved I had a really tough time with it. It sent me into a major funk. Wondering why someone that had experienced so much pain would go back. Then someone told me not to worry about him, and focus on my quit.
Cavers affect me differently now, NOW I eat their discarded quits for lunch. Shit them out and look for more. Can't get enough. If they don't want them I'll take them gladly, weak people can kiss my ass...

[Coach Steve]

This is very disheartening...

When I was creeping around the site before I flushed my can 126 days ago, I came across Gooch's story. I was planning on flushing it a few days later but after reading his story and the pain and shit he went through I flushed it that night.

Ive been preoccupied with my quit and my other quit brothers so I havent looked in on Gooch until today... I saw that his most recent activity was over 4 months ago and my stomach dropped...I thought "No, he couldnt have caved, not Gooch he was too strong, especially after having all those surgeries theres no way he did..."

Then I came in here.

It truly is a sad day. Gooch was the first number I got on this site.

Now that I'm done being sad, Gooch if your reading this, Thank you. Thank you for sharing your story and helping me cross that line and flush my can. Thank you for solidifying my quit with your cave. I will not give in to the bitch like you have. I will be stronger than you are...I will not go back to finger fucking a can, jamming cancer dirt in my lip. I want my fucking lips, I want to kiss my wife and future kids with my lips. I like my teeth, I love chewing food with my shiny whites, and flashing a smile at my wife. I love my tongue, I definitely love tasting food and eating other things that arent food (if you know what i mean 'Y' )

I'm pissed the bitch got another great guy. Im pissed that he didnt have the testicular fortitude to stick it out. Im pissed that despite peoples best efforts he still gave in to the bitch.

This will NOT have a negative impact on my quit...I am quit today...I will be quit tomorrow...

Gooch was unique and funny as hell. Quit within a few days of me. When I hit the hof I texted him and thanked him. He said he was happy for me and congratulated me, that's the kind of guy he was. Said he was doing well. Hope he still is. Good guy.

Caver.

[Diesel2112]

This is very disheartening...

When I was creeping around the site before I flushed my can 126 days ago, I came across Gooch's story. I was planning on flushing it a few days later but after reading his story and the pain and shit he went through I flushed it that night.

Ive been preoccupied with my quit and my other quit brothers so I havent looked in on Gooch until today... I saw that his most recent activity was over 4 months ago and my stomach dropped...I thought "No, he couldnt have caved, not Gooch he was too strong, especially after having all those surgeries theres no way he did..."

Then I came in here.

It truly is a sad day. Gooch was the first number I got on this site.

Now that I'm done being sad, Gooch if your reading this, Thank you. Thank you for sharing your story and helping me cross that line and flush my can. Thank you for solidifying my quit with your cave. I will not give in to the bitch like you have. I will be stronger than you are...I will not go back to finger fucking a can, jamming cancer dirt in my lip. I want my fucking lips, I want to kiss my wife and future kids with my lips. I like my teeth, I love chewing food with my shiny whites, and flashing a smile at my wife. I love my tongue, I definitely love tasting food and eating other things that arent food (if you know what i mean 'Y' )

I'm pissed the bitch got another great guy. Im pissed that he didnt have the testicular fortitude to stick it out. Im pissed that despite peoples best efforts he still gave in to the bitch.

This will NOT have a negative impact on my quit...I am quit today...I will be quit tomorrow...

Gooch was unique and funny as hell. Quit within a few days of me. When I hit the hof I texted him and thanked him. He said he was happy for me and congratulated me, that's the kind of guy he was. Said he was doing well. Hope he still is. Good guy.

[fwbwrestler07]

This is very disheartening...

When I was creeping around the site before I flushed my can 126 days ago, I came across Gooch's story. I was planning on flushing it a few days later but after reading his story and the pain and shit he went through I flushed it that night.

Ive been preoccupied with my quit and my other quit brothers so I havent looked in on Gooch until today... I saw that his most recent activity was over 4 months ago and my stomach dropped...I thought "No, he couldnt have caved, not Gooch he was too strong, especially after having all those surgeries theres no way he did..."

Then I came in here.

It truly is a sad day. Gooch was the first number I got on this site.

Now that I'm done being sad, Gooch if your reading this, Thank you. Thank you for sharing your story and helping me cross that line and flush my can. Thank you for solidifying my quit with your cave. I will not give in to the bitch like you have. I will be stronger than you are...I will not go back to finger fucking a can, jamming cancer dirt in my lip. I want my fucking lips, I want to kiss my wife and future kids with my lips. I like my teeth, I love chewing food with my shiny whites, and flashing a smile at my wife. I love my tongue, I definitely love tasting food and eating other things that arent food (if you know what i mean 'Y' )

I'm pissed the bitch got another great guy. Im pissed that he didnt have the testicular fortitude to stick it out. Im pissed that despite peoples best efforts he still gave in to the bitch.

This will NOT have a negative impact on my quit...I am quit today...I will be quit tomorrow...

[copingwithoutcopen]

I've been pretty pissed about your cave and how it reflects on our group and those that looked up to you, joined because of you and depended on you. So I've been bouncing around the site just looking for answers to questions I'm not even sure how to ask and I came across this...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... BTGc#gid=2

In Sept '11 they had another guy named Gooch with the possible area code of 901 which seems pretty close to KY. I just can't fathom someone else coming up with a pseudonym like Gooch.

It seems pretty clear to me you were a retread all along which begs the question, How the fuck can you be true to your brothers when you can't be true to yourself? Your bad ass southern rodeo rope slingin' brand is nothing without integrity. You can't find honor through the voice of a ventriloquist. Maybe you and your life coach can discus why you choose to quit the same time every year.

I hope you find a way back to KTC. I hope you scrape your over sized horse shit ego at the door and I hope you treat your next group with a little more respect. I'll see you next June.

[Mthomas3824]

Damn, I can't believe after 70 something days or whatever it was you thought you needed nicotine. That shit was long gone out of your system. And you still put that crap in your mouth after texting and talking with people? Just sad and weak.

Hell, I'm on day 154 and still get craves, I'm sure there are gentlemen here with many more nic free days under their belts that still get them.

New quitters learn from this. Especially going into the 70s. I experienced some of my worst craves from the late 60s until almost the 120s. I chewed a crapton of smokey mountain during that time, but it got me through.

I'm finally feeling normal again with hardly any craves at all, but just be warned, it comes in waves and it can suck. Don't stray, post roll and reach out if you need to.

Kubrick.....I don't think that he fully utilized his resources before being a dumbass. I seem to remember reading that he was not responding to phone calls or texts. I also don't seem to remember anyone receiving a call from him before he decided to resume poisoning himself.

Am I wrong?

Yea your wrong!

Did he only talk to you Wt? Did he ask your permission to cave? That is part of a quit plan my friend....you have to work your way down a list and get one of your bros' permission to cave.

For those that are new...Say around the 30's to 40's. You have experienced being foggy and funky.

Right about at 70's days quit, you have a pre HOF funk. It is a funk that can get you irritated with all things KTC. You may feel warn and spent in quit strength.

Very, Very important to post roll and only worry about the day. If you can survive a pre HOF funk for roughly two weeks, you will feel better than you ever have on that cat shit we all humped before we quit.

Survive and advance. A funk is just like a slump in baseball. You just keep swinging, don't over analyze and focus on the basics.

If gooch would have posted roll. One to two days tops of a battle and he would have been telling us how great he feels to be quit.

I am 164 days. It wasn't easy every day but I stayed quit. Posted roll 100%. Not intentionally braging but its a fucking fact. With KTC and my quit brotherhood. I am undefeated with the nic bitch.

I'm not here to bust Gooch's balls. I am here to tell you that some will cave but it doesn't have to be you.

[pavetheway]

Damn, I can't believe after 70 something days or whatever it was you thought you needed nicotine. That shit was long gone out of your system. And you still put that crap in your mouth after texting and talking with people? Just sad and weak.

Hell, I'm on day 154 and still get craves, I'm sure there are gentlemen here with many more nic free days under their belts that still get them.

New quitters learn from this. Especially going into the 70s. I experienced some of my worst craves from the late 60s until almost the 120s. I chewed a crapton of smokey mountain during that time, but it got me through.

I'm finally feeling normal again with hardly any craves at all, but just be warned, it comes in waves and it can suck. Don't stray, post roll and reach out if you need to.

Kubrick.....I don't think that he fully utilized his resources before being a dumbass. I seem to remember reading that he was not responding to phone calls or texts. I also don't seem to remember anyone receiving a call from him before he decided to resume poisoning himself.

Am I wrong?

Yea your wrong!

Did he only talk to you Wt? Did he ask your permission to cave? That is part of a quit plan my friend....you have to work your way down a list and get one of your bros' permission to cave.

[Wt57]

Damn, I can't believe after 70 something days or whatever it was you thought you needed nicotine. That shit was long gone out of your system. And you still put that crap in your mouth after texting and talking with people? Just sad and weak.

Hell, I'm on day 154 and still get craves, I'm sure there are gentlemen here with many more nic free days under their belts that still get them.

New quitters learn from this. Especially going into the 70s. I experienced some of my worst craves from the late 60s until almost the 120s. I chewed a crapton of smokey mountain during that time, but it got me through.

I'm finally feeling normal again with hardly any craves at all, but just be warned, it comes in waves and it can suck. Don't stray, post roll and reach out if you need to.

Kubrick.....I don't think that he fully utilized his resources before being a dumbass. I seem to remember reading that he was not responding to phone calls or texts. I also don't seem to remember anyone receiving a call from him before he decided to resume poisoning himself.

Am I wrong?

Yea your wrong! Mike and I were in contact for about 4 days about what was going on in his life. I didn't agree with his cave but he did reach out and struggled! I tried to help he listened but ultimately he made the decision! Don't ask I won't share what he was going through but I will say most of us would struggle even thoughs of us that have rock solid quits!

[pavetheway]

Damn, I can't believe after 70 something days or whatever it was you thought you needed nicotine. That shit was long gone out of your system. And you still put that crap in your mouth after texting and talking with people? Just sad and weak.

Hell, I'm on day 154 and still get craves, I'm sure there are gentlemen here with many more nic free days under their belts that still get them.

New quitters learn from this. Especially going into the 70s. I experienced some of my worst craves from the late 60s until almost the 120s. I chewed a crapton of smokey mountain during that time, but it got me through.

I'm finally feeling normal again with hardly any craves at all, but just be warned, it comes in waves and it can suck. Don't stray, post roll and reach out if you need to.

Kubrick.....I don't think that he fully utilized his resources before being a dumbass. I seem to remember reading that he was not responding to phone calls or texts. I also don't seem to remember anyone receiving a call from him before he decided to resume poisoning himself.

Am I wrong?

[lbj]

I've burnt the ship today fellas... if you don't know that story say so and I'll post it.. Has to do with Napolean and a bunch of soldiers and them fighting their ass off to live.. O hell. I'll tell you now.. Nappy.. pulled his army up to an island.. unload the troops.. then he set the ship on fire..burnt it to a crisp right into the ocean! He told his boys they were outnumbered 4 to 1.. and the only way off the island was to fight their way off the island! Have you burnt your ship girls?? I told every body I knew today that I have quit dipping for good ( and meant it).. Some of them has seen this over and over  over... Not this time! I AM QUIT!! I love me some quittys! Gooch

I remember reading this post when I was chewing the skin off my knuckles,in fact I read it just about everyday,what about you Gooch? Read it again and really burn it.