Day one or two

[30yraddict]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Srans, you were a early supporter of me and although many will miss seeing your sage advice. I trust your word and can understand your decision. I cant't say I agree 100%, but if you are quit then you are quit. Granted the roll posting process works, but you are a big boy and are capable of making your own decisions. Anyone who wants to talk shit is welcome at the P complaint department.

How can you agree 1%? Nobody will be cured ever and none of us could quit without this site. This discussion is not specifically about srans. How is this hard to understand?

exactly, you hit it right on the head. I find it funny that people that have a personal relationship with someone can support certain behaviors that would otherwise be deemed irresponsible and against the code. No one is attacking anyone personally. This IS NOT PERSONAL and our opinions about the actions of others on this site shouldn't be clouded by relationships. If srans were a shitbag, I doubt many of us would even care about his decision. The fact that he has helped others, formed bonds with members, and displayed role model quitter behavior for noobs does not make the decision any more acceptable.

Man... what a couple of days on this Intro. I can say I learned more this past several days in here than I have in a long time.

Not sure it is funny as you put it sixer... but you are right. As you develop relationships with folks here at KTC and have a lot invested in them -- it is extremely difficult to see them go and it is hard to see people hammer on them.

Srans was a critical person in getting me quit. I admire this guy. He brought me thru the fog, he encouraged me to HOF, he was a great supporter and I was the same for him as I progressed. I watched him help countless others as he immersed himself on this site. It is very difficult for me to see him go on his own. Very difficult. Sometimes you are so close to a situation, you can not see it for what it is... that is when it is important to have the rest of the KTC clan get you straight.

The point you are making is a great one. I don't  can't support this decision. I hope the best for Srans and if he were to come back to KTC I would support him with all my power. If he were to call me or text me outside of KTC, I would support him as well. I have told him that. However, no person is bigger than this site. The principles of this site are simple... post roll EDD and repeat. We hold each other accountable and anything less than upholding our core values can not be tolerated.

The last part is the thing I have come to see again in full force after 519 days quit. You all are pretty amazing. I appreciate the accountability. I am proud to be quit with you all today.

Relationships aside, people will come and go as they damn well please. Some will fade and be quit the rest of their lives, others are destined to cave. I happen to believe that Shawn will continue to use the tools he learned here, although he will not be posting roll daily or dishing out sage advice, which will be sorely missed, I know he has other people whom are programmed into his phone and will help hold him accountable.

Those who want to ask me about 1%, you are God Damn right I can give him at least one percent, because if not for him and for a conversation I had with him over a year ago, I cannot say I would be here today. That makes him not a friend but a savior, because ragardless of his current decision, he was there for me then and I have no doubt he will be there anytime I need him.

As was stated some people can move on and be fine. I myself am not mentally ready so I will be here, but bear in mind that Shawn has saved more quits than most here and he is due respect for his path even though you may not agree with everything currently. You may not know his situation and should hold judgement until you do.

And yet, the site is littered with the bones of failed quit because people found themselves "ready" to leave the site. If you aren't here, you aren't using the tools, the concept of accountability is broken, the lessons learned fade, and the relationships that were formed become distant. Complacency sets in. Quit goes on autopilot. And you rely on your own self control, the same self control that failed you throughout your life as an active user.

To quote ninereasons: The Death Spiral of A Quit:

Overconfident

Careless

Smug

Complacent

Unquit

[Pinched]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Srans, you were a early supporter of me and although many will miss seeing your sage advice. I trust your word and can understand your decision. I cant't say I agree 100%, but if you are quit then you are quit. Granted the roll posting process works, but you are a big boy and are capable of making your own decisions. Anyone who wants to talk shit is welcome at the P complaint department.

How can you agree 1%? Nobody will be cured ever and none of us could quit without this site. This discussion is not specifically about srans. How is this hard to understand?

exactly, you hit it right on the head. I find it funny that people that have a personal relationship with someone can support certain behaviors that would otherwise be deemed irresponsible and against the code. No one is attacking anyone personally. This IS NOT PERSONAL and our opinions about the actions of others on this site shouldn't be clouded by relationships. If srans were a shitbag, I doubt many of us would even care about his decision. The fact that he has helped others, formed bonds with members, and displayed role model quitter behavior for noobs does not make the decision any more acceptable.

Man... what a couple of days on this Intro. I can say I learned more this past several days in here than I have in a long time.

Not sure it is funny as you put it sixer... but you are right. As you develop relationships with folks here at KTC and have a lot invested in them -- it is extremely difficult to see them go and it is hard to see people hammer on them.

Srans was a critical person in getting me quit. I admire this guy. He brought me thru the fog, he encouraged me to HOF, he was a great supporter and I was the same for him as I progressed. I watched him help countless others as he immersed himself on this site. It is very difficult for me to see him go on his own. Very difficult. Sometimes you are so close to a situation, you can not see it for what it is... that is when it is important to have the rest of the KTC clan get you straight.

The point you are making is a great one. I don't  can't support this decision. I hope the best for Srans and if he were to come back to KTC I would support him with all my power. If he were to call me or text me outside of KTC, I would support him as well. I have told him that. However, no person is bigger than this site. The principles of this site are simple... post roll EDD and repeat. We hold each other accountable and anything less than upholding our core values can not be tolerated.

The last part is the thing I have come to see again in full force after 519 days quit. You all are pretty amazing. I appreciate the accountability. I am proud to be quit with you all today.

Relationships aside, people will come and go as they damn well please. Some will fade and be quit the rest of their lives, others are destined to cave. I happen to believe that Shawn will continue to use the tools he learned here, although he will not be posting roll daily or dishing out sage advice, which will be sorely missed, I know he has other people whom are programmed into his phone and will help hold him accountable.

Those who want to ask me about 1%, you are God Damn right I can give him at least one percent, because if not for him and for a conversation I had with him over a year ago, I cannot say I would be here today. That makes him not a friend but a savior, because ragardless of his current decision, he was there for me then and I have no doubt he will be there anytime I need him.

As was stated some people can move on and be fine. I myself am not mentally ready so I will be here, but bear in mind that Shawn has saved more quits than most here and he is due respect for his path even though you may not agree with everything currently. You may not know his situation and should hold judgement until you do.

[Derk40]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Srans, you were a early supporter of me and although many will miss seeing your sage advice. I trust your word and can understand your decision. I cant't say I agree 100%, but if you are quit then you are quit. Granted the roll posting process works, but you are a big boy and are capable of making your own decisions. Anyone who wants to talk shit is welcome at the P complaint department.

How can you agree 1%? Nobody will be cured ever and none of us could quit without this site. This discussion is not specifically about srans. How is this hard to understand?

exactly, you hit it right on the head. I find it funny that people that have a personal relationship with someone can support certain behaviors that would otherwise be deemed irresponsible and against the code. No one is attacking anyone personally. This IS NOT PERSONAL and our opinions about the actions of others on this site shouldn't be clouded by relationships. If srans were a shitbag, I doubt many of us would even care about his decision. The fact that he has helped others, formed bonds with members, and displayed role model quitter behavior for noobs does not make the decision any more acceptable.

Man... what a couple of days on this Intro. I can say I learned more this past several days in here than I have in a long time.

Not sure it is funny as you put it sixer... but you are right. As you develop relationships with folks here at KTC and have a lot invested in them -- it is extremely difficult to see them go and it is hard to see people hammer on them.

Srans was a critical person in getting me quit. I admire this guy. He brought me thru the fog, he encouraged me to HOF, he was a great supporter and I was the same for him as I progressed. I watched him help countless others as he immersed himself on this site. It is very difficult for me to see him go on his own. Very difficult. Sometimes you are so close to a situation, you can not see it for what it is... that is when it is important to have the rest of the KTC clan get you straight.

The point you are making is a great one. I don't  can't support this decision. I hope the best for Srans and if he were to come back to KTC I would support him with all my power. If he were to call me or text me outside of KTC, I would support him as well. I have told him that. However, no person is bigger than this site. The principles of this site are simple... post roll EDD and repeat. We hold each other accountable and anything less than upholding our core values can not be tolerated.

The last part is the thing I have come to see again in full force after 519 days quit. You all are pretty amazing. I appreciate the accountability. I am proud to be quit with you all today.

[sixercountry]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Srans, you were a early supporter of me and although many will miss seeing your sage advice. I trust your word and can understand your decision. I cant't say I agree 100%, but if you are quit then you are quit. Granted the roll posting process works, but you are a big boy and are capable of making your own decisions. Anyone who wants to talk shit is welcome at the P complaint department.

How can you agree 1%? Nobody will be cured ever and none of us could quit without this site. This discussion is not specifically about srans. How is this hard to understand?

exactly, you hit it right on the head. I find it funny that people that have a personal relationship with someone can support certain behaviors that would otherwise be deemed irresponsible and against the code. No one is attacking anyone personally. This IS NOT PERSONAL and our opinions about the actions of others on this site shouldn't be clouded by relationships. If srans were a shitbag, I doubt many of us would even care about his decision. The fact that he has helped others, formed bonds with members, and displayed role model quitter behavior for noobs does not make the decision any more acceptable.

[basshaug]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Srans, you were a early supporter of me and although many will miss seeing your sage advice. I trust your word and can understand your decision. I cant't say I agree 100%, but if you are quit then you are quit. Granted the roll posting process works, but you are a big boy and are capable of making your own decisions. Anyone who wants to talk shit is welcome at the P complaint department.

How can you agree 1%? Nobody will be cured ever and none of us could quit without this site. This discussion is not specifically about srans. How is this hard to understand?

[Pinched]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Srans, you were a early supporter of me and although many will miss seeing your sage advice. I trust your word and can understand your decision. I cant't say I agree 100%, but if you are quit then you are quit. Granted the roll posting process works, but you are a big boy and are capable of making your own decisions. Anyone who wants to talk shit is welcome at the P complaint department.

[NoMoreCopeBlack]

Post roll then don't dip that day, then help newer quitters.

Maybe refusing to look at a quitter say 'fuck' with tits in his avatar is a prayer for purity.

But refusing to use proven quit powers to help others is a prayer to satan that Marty Barrington accomplishes great evil. Congrats on 666 days srans.

[Thumblewort]

I admire Srans as a BAQ, but come on guys, light up newbs and the new groups. Dude is gonna do what dude is gonna do no matter what is right or wrong. Only time will tell.

[30yraddict]

Perhaps the discussion is pointless inasmuch as srans is concerned. (perhaps not, time will tell) It is a good discussion to have, nevertheless.

I don't think anybody here believes that it was a good idea for srans to leave. I think people came to his defense based on the tight bonds that they built with srans here. The message might have gotten a bit lost in the discussion on whether people were being disrespectful to srans or not.

There is a simple, consistent method to quit here: Post Roll, Honor That Promise, Repeat. Drifting or leaving the site are completely incompatible with this method. Anything we do or say that diminishes or confuses our method is harmful to the site, and more importantly, the quitters in it. Srans mind might be made up, but what about the guy with 150 days under his belt thinking about drifting and happens upon this intro? How is he served by us soft pedaling the truth because we happen to like quitter "x"?

There is a truth to defend, and by God, we should defend it.

Post roll, honor your promise, repeat.

anything that takes away from that message weakens our effectiveness.

[Derk40]

What the fuck happened to this guy? Does anybody know?
Did he go to Living Dic Free? Cave?
Went looking to talk to him and he has been MIA for over a month. WTF

I just texted him. I'll let you know what I hear.

I actually sent him an email and he responded.
He said there is no doubt that his quit is secure. He was thinking about the site too much.
He couldn't move on until he left the site. Blah blah, rest assured his quit is secure.

Total fucking bullshit, pre-caver.
Told him I'm very disappointed in his attitude.
Wish I never went looking for him.

He told me the same thing.

I told him that I'm glad he's still quit and he should come back if he feels like he should.

Though he seems to be going against his own espoused philosophy when he was active on this site. I always thought he was a certified koolaid drinker. Guess not. If he caves, or caved, we will probably not hear about it.

He's a fucking hypocrite. And now he is officially a pre-caver, if not a caver.
Whatever. I am striking his name from the list of people I give a shit about

Toxic behavior and hate noted above. The quote button can sometimes work against you too, Lipi.

The new groups could really benefit from some help. The new quitters could too. How's about you stop hating on a good man who has left this site months ago, which you didn't notice for over 90 days, and help someone that wants the help. Because you aren't helping Srans.

For the record, I don't agree with his decision. But I don't own srans and have no control over his behavior. Just like I don't own you and have no ability to push the off button on you right now. I tried to get srans to stay - and was unsuccessful. Lots of others did too. We noticed his departure on day 1... where were you?

where is the toxic behavior in your quote? Bad language?
Where was I on the first day he left? How the fuck am I supposed to know? There was nothing about this in his intro until I brought it up. Looks like you guys really fought hard and publicly huh?
As far as helping newbies? I do it everyday. Where the fuck are you you piece of shit?
You want toxic behavior you fuckstck, here it is. FUCK YOU 'Finger'

You might want to do some research on me before accusing me of not helping. I really don't need to waste any time defending my actions on this site to you. Not a minute.

I wish you peace.

I help folks every day. And get help every day. Who exactly are you calling a fuck....

Hey Erussell! 'Finger'

Lol.. But seriously though.

You guys are fighting over a guy who doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here it's very difficult to be supportive of him. He doesn't need/want the accountability apparently. When people leave here I am guilty of not putting up enough of a fight. I'm probably pretty selfish in that regard. I admire Lipi for at least getting Srans to make an appearance. At least he got him in here to give us his excuse for not being here.
Edit - Also, I'll admit that I noticed he was gone a few weeks ago. I've seen other hiatus' before. When Lipi brought up his intro it caused me to want to know where he was. Glad he's still alive and quit. Too bad he won't post roll.

I agree Griz. We can't help him. Can we help the rest of these people who think its okay just to bail?
Someone in this thread actually said "most guys leave after 100" like that is a good thing, or should just be status quo. "Like, whatever, who cares if dudes think they're cured, I mean most dudes just leave at 100 anyway right?" These dudes agree

That was an exact quote from someone? Or you making that one up?

By the way lipi, I'm not implying anything. I am directly saying that in my opinion your efforts would be better served helping newbies (which I know you go a lot based on the number of posts you have) rather than chasing down Srans. Cause he ain't coming back here.

I also am pretty proud today... Feel like I've earned a badge by being called both a piecebof shit and a fuckstick in the same sentence. That puts me up there with Cumbubbles and ass goblin.

You do a lot of good on this site with newbies. That has value.

Being called a fuckstick by Lipi is like having Don Rickles do your best man toast.

Ok, I really hate it when I am all worked up and people stop arguing with me. I calm down.
is Derk serious about burning down a bunch of complacent quitter threads?
I can't tell if he is making fun of me or not. But Derk, I am definitely down, and will start this evening after dinner.

The fact is people roll out of here every day. Luckily there is a core of guys that participate and are reliable. When a core quitter who was heavily involved splits the coop. There is cause for concern and arguments are perfectly understandable. Complacency is the big enemy of a mature quit. That's been pounded into my head for 388 days.

Lipi, that was intended to be a little humor after we went at it all day. I figured you'd be down though!

Griz, good call. It was hard for me to process Srans leaving 90 days ago. I tried to convince him otherwise but it was his call. It was his decision and he has to live with it. As Worktowin said, he is gone. Us fighting about it does no good. I don't think anyone on here approves of people just rolling out.

All here that quit daily know how this needs to be done. Post roll EDD, be accountable and support each other. I would not be 518 days quit without this site and without all you crazy people holding me accountable. Thanks for being there.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

What the fuck happened to this guy? Does anybody know?
Did he go to Living Dic Free? Cave?
Went looking to talk to him and he has been MIA for over a month. WTF

I just texted him. I'll let you know what I hear.

I actually sent him an email and he responded.
He said there is no doubt that his quit is secure. He was thinking about the site too much.
He couldn't move on until he left the site. Blah blah, rest assured his quit is secure.

Total fucking bullshit, pre-caver.
Told him I'm very disappointed in his attitude.
Wish I never went looking for him.

He told me the same thing.

I told him that I'm glad he's still quit and he should come back if he feels like he should.

Though he seems to be going against his own espoused philosophy when he was active on this site. I always thought he was a certified koolaid drinker. Guess not. If he caves, or caved, we will probably not hear about it.

He's a fucking hypocrite. And now he is officially a pre-caver, if not a caver.
Whatever. I am striking his name from the list of people I give a shit about

Toxic behavior and hate noted above. The quote button can sometimes work against you too, Lipi.

The new groups could really benefit from some help. The new quitters could too. How's about you stop hating on a good man who has left this site months ago, which you didn't notice for over 90 days, and help someone that wants the help. Because you aren't helping Srans.

For the record, I don't agree with his decision. But I don't own srans and have no control over his behavior. Just like I don't own you and have no ability to push the off button on you right now. I tried to get srans to stay - and was unsuccessful. Lots of others did too. We noticed his departure on day 1... where were you?

where is the toxic behavior in your quote? Bad language?
Where was I on the first day he left? How the fuck am I supposed to know? There was nothing about this in his intro until I brought it up. Looks like you guys really fought hard and publicly huh?
As far as helping newbies? I do it everyday. Where the fuck are you you piece of shit?
You want toxic behavior you fuckstck, here it is. FUCK YOU 'Finger'

You might want to do some research on me before accusing me of not helping. I really don't need to waste any time defending my actions on this site to you. Not a minute.

I wish you peace.

I help folks every day. And get help every day. Who exactly are you calling a fuck....

Hey Erussell! 'Finger'

Lol.. But seriously though.

You guys are fighting over a guy who doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here it's very difficult to be supportive of him. He doesn't need/want the accountability apparently. When people leave here I am guilty of not putting up enough of a fight. I'm probably pretty selfish in that regard. I admire Lipi for at least getting Srans to make an appearance. At least he got him in here to give us his excuse for not being here.
Edit - Also, I'll admit that I noticed he was gone a few weeks ago. I've seen other hiatus' before. When Lipi brought up his intro it caused me to want to know where he was. Glad he's still alive and quit. Too bad he won't post roll.

I agree Griz. We can't help him. Can we help the rest of these people who think its okay just to bail?
Someone in this thread actually said "most guys leave after 100" like that is a good thing, or should just be status quo. "Like, whatever, who cares if dudes think they're cured, I mean most dudes just leave at 100 anyway right?" These dudes agree

That was an exact quote from someone? Or you making that one up?

By the way lipi, I'm not implying anything. I am directly saying that in my opinion your efforts would be better served helping newbies (which I know you go a lot based on the number of posts you have) rather than chasing down Srans. Cause he ain't coming back here.

I also am pretty proud today... Feel like I've earned a badge by being called both a piecebof shit and a fuckstick in the same sentence. That puts me up there with Cumbubbles and ass goblin.

You do a lot of good on this site with newbies. That has value.

Being called a fuckstick by Lipi is like having Don Rickles do your best man toast.

Ok, I really hate it when I am all worked up and people stop arguing with me. I calm down.
is Derk serious about burning down a bunch of complacent quitter threads?
I can't tell if he is making fun of me or not. But Derk, I am definitely down, and will start this evening after dinner.

The fact is people roll out of here every day. Luckily there is a core of guys that participate and are reliable. When a core quitter who was heavily involved splits the coop. There is cause for concern and arguments are perfectly understandable. Complacency is the big enemy of a mature quit. That's been pounded into my head for 388 days.

[Lipizzaner]

What the fuck happened to this guy? Does anybody know?
Did he go to Living Dic Free? Cave?
Went looking to talk to him and he has been MIA for over a month. WTF

I just texted him. I'll let you know what I hear.

I actually sent him an email and he responded.
He said there is no doubt that his quit is secure. He was thinking about the site too much.
He couldn't move on until he left the site. Blah blah, rest assured his quit is secure.

Total fucking bullshit, pre-caver.
Told him I'm very disappointed in his attitude.
Wish I never went looking for him.

He told me the same thing.

I told him that I'm glad he's still quit and he should come back if he feels like he should.

Though he seems to be going against his own espoused philosophy when he was active on this site. I always thought he was a certified koolaid drinker. Guess not. If he caves, or caved, we will probably not hear about it.

He's a fucking hypocrite. And now he is officially a pre-caver, if not a caver.
Whatever. I am striking his name from the list of people I give a shit about

Toxic behavior and hate noted above. The quote button can sometimes work against you too, Lipi.

The new groups could really benefit from some help. The new quitters could too. How's about you stop hating on a good man who has left this site months ago, which you didn't notice for over 90 days, and help someone that wants the help. Because you aren't helping Srans.

For the record, I don't agree with his decision. But I don't own srans and have no control over his behavior. Just like I don't own you and have no ability to push the off button on you right now. I tried to get srans to stay - and was unsuccessful. Lots of others did too. We noticed his departure on day 1... where were you?

where is the toxic behavior in your quote? Bad language?
Where was I on the first day he left? How the fuck am I supposed to know? There was nothing about this in his intro until I brought it up. Looks like you guys really fought hard and publicly huh?
As far as helping newbies? I do it everyday. Where the fuck are you you piece of shit?
You want toxic behavior you fuckstck, here it is. FUCK YOU 'Finger'

You might want to do some research on me before accusing me of not helping. I really don't need to waste any time defending my actions on this site to you. Not a minute.

I wish you peace.

I help folks every day. And get help every day. Who exactly are you calling a fuck....

Hey Erussell! 'Finger'

Lol.. But seriously though.

You guys are fighting over a guy who doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here it's very difficult to be supportive of him. He doesn't need/want the accountability apparently. When people leave here I am guilty of not putting up enough of a fight. I'm probably pretty selfish in that regard. I admire Lipi for at least getting Srans to make an appearance. At least he got him in here to give us his excuse for not being here.
Edit - Also, I'll admit that I noticed he was gone a few weeks ago. I've seen other hiatus' before. When Lipi brought up his intro it caused me to want to know where he was. Glad he's still alive and quit. Too bad he won't post roll.

I agree Griz. We can't help him. Can we help the rest of these people who think its okay just to bail?
Someone in this thread actually said "most guys leave after 100" like that is a good thing, or should just be status quo. "Like, whatever, who cares if dudes think they're cured, I mean most dudes just leave at 100 anyway right?" These dudes agree

That was an exact quote from someone? Or you making that one up?

By the way lipi, I'm not implying anything. I am directly saying that in my opinion your efforts would be better served helping newbies (which I know you go a lot based on the number of posts you have) rather than chasing down Srans. Cause he ain't coming back here.

I also am pretty proud today... Feel like I've earned a badge by being called both a piecebof shit and a fuckstick in the same sentence. That puts me up there with Cumbubbles and ass goblin.

You do a lot of good on this site with newbies. That has value.

Being called a fuckstick by Lipi is like having Don Rickles do your best man toast.

Ok, I really hate it when I am all worked up and people stop arguing with me. I calm down.
is Derk serious about burning down a bunch of complacent quitter threads?
I can't tell if he is making fun of me or not. But Derk, I am definitely down, and will start this evening after dinner.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

What the fuck happened to this guy? Does anybody know?
Did he go to Living Dic Free? Cave?
Went looking to talk to him and he has been MIA for over a month. WTF

I just texted him. I'll let you know what I hear.

I actually sent him an email and he responded.
He said there is no doubt that his quit is secure. He was thinking about the site too much.
He couldn't move on until he left the site. Blah blah, rest assured his quit is secure.

Total fucking bullshit, pre-caver.
Told him I'm very disappointed in his attitude.
Wish I never went looking for him.

He told me the same thing.

I told him that I'm glad he's still quit and he should come back if he feels like he should.

Though he seems to be going against his own espoused philosophy when he was active on this site. I always thought he was a certified koolaid drinker. Guess not. If he caves, or caved, we will probably not hear about it.

He's a fucking hypocrite. And now he is officially a pre-caver, if not a caver.
Whatever. I am striking his name from the list of people I give a shit about

Toxic behavior and hate noted above. The quote button can sometimes work against you too, Lipi.

The new groups could really benefit from some help. The new quitters could too. How's about you stop hating on a good man who has left this site months ago, which you didn't notice for over 90 days, and help someone that wants the help. Because you aren't helping Srans.

For the record, I don't agree with his decision. But I don't own srans and have no control over his behavior. Just like I don't own you and have no ability to push the off button on you right now. I tried to get srans to stay - and was unsuccessful. Lots of others did too. We noticed his departure on day 1... where were you?

where is the toxic behavior in your quote? Bad language?
Where was I on the first day he left? How the fuck am I supposed to know? There was nothing about this in his intro until I brought it up. Looks like you guys really fought hard and publicly huh?
As far as helping newbies? I do it everyday. Where the fuck are you you piece of shit?
You want toxic behavior you fuckstck, here it is. FUCK YOU 'Finger'

You might want to do some research on me before accusing me of not helping. I really don't need to waste any time defending my actions on this site to you. Not a minute.

I wish you peace.

I help folks every day. And get help every day. Who exactly are you calling a fuck....

Hey Erussell! 'Finger'

Lol.. But seriously though.

You guys are fighting over a guy who doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here it's very difficult to be supportive of him. He doesn't need/want the accountability apparently. When people leave here I am guilty of not putting up enough of a fight. I'm probably pretty selfish in that regard. I admire Lipi for at least getting Srans to make an appearance. At least he got him in here to give us his excuse for not being here.
Edit - Also, I'll admit that I noticed he was gone a few weeks ago. I've seen other hiatus' before. When Lipi brought up his intro it caused me to want to know where he was. Glad he's still alive and quit. Too bad he won't post roll.

I agree Griz. We can't help him. Can we help the rest of these people who think its okay just to bail?
Someone in this thread actually said "most guys leave after 100" like that is a good thing, or should just be status quo. "Like, whatever, who cares if dudes think they're cured, I mean most dudes just leave at 100 anyway right?" These dudes agree

That was an exact quote from someone? Or you making that one up?

By the way lipi, I'm not implying anything. I am directly saying that in my opinion your efforts would be better served helping newbies (which I know you go a lot based on the number of posts you have) rather than chasing down Srans. Cause he ain't coming back here.

I also am pretty proud today... Feel like I've earned a badge by being called both a piecebof shit and a fuckstick in the same sentence. That puts me up there with Cumbubbles and ass goblin.

You do a lot of good on this site with newbies. That has value.

Being called a fuckstick by Lipi is like having Don Rickles do your best man toast.

[worktowin]

What the fuck happened to this guy? Does anybody know?
Did he go to Living Dic Free? Cave?
Went looking to talk to him and he has been MIA for over a month. WTF

I just texted him. I'll let you know what I hear.

I actually sent him an email and he responded.
He said there is no doubt that his quit is secure. He was thinking about the site too much.
He couldn't move on until he left the site. Blah blah, rest assured his quit is secure.

Total fucking bullshit, pre-caver.
Told him I'm very disappointed in his attitude.
Wish I never went looking for him.

He told me the same thing.

I told him that I'm glad he's still quit and he should come back if he feels like he should.

Though he seems to be going against his own espoused philosophy when he was active on this site. I always thought he was a certified koolaid drinker. Guess not. If he caves, or caved, we will probably not hear about it.

He's a fucking hypocrite. And now he is officially a pre-caver, if not a caver.
Whatever. I am striking his name from the list of people I give a shit about

Toxic behavior and hate noted above. The quote button can sometimes work against you too, Lipi.

The new groups could really benefit from some help. The new quitters could too. How's about you stop hating on a good man who has left this site months ago, which you didn't notice for over 90 days, and help someone that wants the help. Because you aren't helping Srans.

For the record, I don't agree with his decision. But I don't own srans and have no control over his behavior. Just like I don't own you and have no ability to push the off button on you right now. I tried to get srans to stay - and was unsuccessful. Lots of others did too. We noticed his departure on day 1... where were you?

where is the toxic behavior in your quote? Bad language?
Where was I on the first day he left? How the fuck am I supposed to know? There was nothing about this in his intro until I brought it up. Looks like you guys really fought hard and publicly huh?
As far as helping newbies? I do it everyday. Where the fuck are you you piece of shit?
You want toxic behavior you fuckstck, here it is. FUCK YOU 'Finger'

You might want to do some research on me before accusing me of not helping. I really don't need to waste any time defending my actions on this site to you. Not a minute.

I wish you peace.

I help folks every day. And get help every day. Who exactly are you calling a fuck....

Hey Erussell! 'Finger'

Lol.. But seriously though.

You guys are fighting over a guy who doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here it's very difficult to be supportive of him. He doesn't need/want the accountability apparently. When people leave here I am guilty of not putting up enough of a fight. I'm probably pretty selfish in that regard. I admire Lipi for at least getting Srans to make an appearance. At least he got him in here to give us his excuse for not being here.
Edit - Also, I'll admit that I noticed he was gone a few weeks ago. I've seen other hiatus' before. When Lipi brought up his intro it caused me to want to know where he was. Glad he's still alive and quit. Too bad he won't post roll.

I agree Griz. We can't help him. Can we help the rest of these people who think its okay just to bail?
Someone in this thread actually said "most guys leave after 100" like that is a good thing, or should just be status quo. "Like, whatever, who cares if dudes think they're cured, I mean most dudes just leave at 100 anyway right?" These dudes agree

That was an exact quote from someone? Or you making that one up?

By the way lipi, I'm not implying anything. I am directly saying that in my opinion your efforts would be better served helping newbies (which I know you go a lot based on the number of posts you have) rather than chasing down Srans. Cause he ain't coming back here.

I also am pretty proud today... Feel like I've earned a badge by being called both a piecebof shit and a fuckstick in the same sentence. That puts me up there with Cumbubbles and ass goblin.

You do a lot of good on this site with newbies. That has value.

[Derk40]

What the fuck happened to this guy? Does anybody know?
Did he go to Living Dic Free? Cave?
Went looking to talk to him and he has been MIA for over a month. WTF

I just texted him. I'll let you know what I hear.

I actually sent him an email and he responded.
He said there is no doubt that his quit is secure. He was thinking about the site too much.
He couldn't move on until he left the site. Blah blah, rest assured his quit is secure.

Total fucking bullshit, pre-caver.
Told him I'm very disappointed in his attitude.
Wish I never went looking for him.

He told me the same thing.

I told him that I'm glad he's still quit and he should come back if he feels like he should.

Though he seems to be going against his own espoused philosophy when he was active on this site. I always thought he was a certified koolaid drinker. Guess not. If he caves, or caved, we will probably not hear about it.

He's a fucking hypocrite. And now he is officially a pre-caver, if not a caver.
Whatever. I am striking his name from the list of people I give a shit about

Toxic behavior and hate noted above. The quote button can sometimes work against you too, Lipi.

The new groups could really benefit from some help. The new quitters could too. How's about you stop hating on a good man who has left this site months ago, which you didn't notice for over 90 days, and help someone that wants the help. Because you aren't helping Srans.

For the record, I don't agree with his decision. But I don't own srans and have no control over his behavior. Just like I don't own you and have no ability to push the off button on you right now. I tried to get srans to stay - and was unsuccessful. Lots of others did too. We noticed his departure on day 1... where were you?

where is the toxic behavior in your quote? Bad language?
Where was I on the first day he left? How the fuck am I supposed to know? There was nothing about this in his intro until I brought it up. Looks like you guys really fought hard and publicly huh?
As far as helping newbies? I do it everyday. Where the fuck are you you piece of shit?
You want toxic behavior you fuckstck, here it is. FUCK YOU 'Finger'

You might want to do some research on me before accusing me of not helping. I really don't need to waste any time defending my actions on this site to you. Not a minute.

I wish you peace.

I help folks every day. And get help every day. Who exactly are you calling a fuck....

Hey Erussell! 'Finger'

Lol.. But seriously though.

You guys are fighting over a guy who doesn't want to be here. If he doesn't want to be here it's very difficult to be supportive of him. He doesn't need/want the accountability apparently. When people leave here I am guilty of not putting up enough of a fight. I'm probably pretty selfish in that regard. I admire Lipi for at least getting Srans to make an appearance. At least he got him in here to give us his excuse for not being here.
Edit - Also, I'll admit that I noticed he was gone a few weeks ago. I've seen other hiatus' before. When Lipi brought up his intro it caused me to want to know where he was. Glad he's still alive and quit. Too bad he won't post roll.

I agree Griz. We can't help him. Can we help the rest of these people who think its okay just to bail?
Someone in this thread actually said "most guys leave after 100" like that is a good thing, or should just be status quo. "Like, whatever, who cares if dudes think they're cured, I mean most dudes just leave at 100 anyway right?" These dudes agree

That was an exact quote from someone? Or you making that one up?

I said this earlier and I still think this is a great idea.

There are plenty of others that are doing the same thing today. They either left or are not posting roll. Let's move on to a new thread and burn that one down. We can do this all week. We can really make a difference.