Day one or two

[Thumblewort]

Tell me this isnt serious????

Are people actually supporting leaving???

The excuses and the planned caves are so pathetic. I am sure your wife and your god are upset with you for taking 3 minutes to post roll on a website lol. The issues that you now have with the site and the "language" were not an issue when you were crawling up walls because you wanted a dip. How did god feel when you were killing the vessel he provided you by throwing a can a day in your mouth? how do people forget where they came from?


have fun bud.....see you in a few months.

I second that. If you were already one month out the door and still solid on the quit, why come back and stir the pot more? Something is a bit out of place IMHO.

I'm fairly certain 200 days ago you would have jumped on me for stopping roll posting because my wife didn't like to see the titties on my quit site. She is very religious too, but loves me enough to know KTC has kept me quit for 233 day, where nothing else has.

[sixercountry]

Tell me this isnt serious????

Are people actually supporting leaving???

The excuses and the planned caves are so pathetic. I am sure your wife and your god are upset with you for taking 3 minutes to post roll on a website lol. The issues that you now have with the site and the "language" were not an issue when you were crawling up walls because you wanted a dip. How did god feel when you were killing the vessel he provided you by throwing a can a day in your mouth? how do people forget where they came from?


have fun bud.....see you in a few months.

[Sand_Fleas_Gotta_Eat]

Put together a quick reference guide if anyone else wanted all the excuses and addict speak more organized.

For some reason i couldn't keep ktc and family separated enough (for a lack of better words). It blead into important areas of my life and it caused stress and friction. I can't explain this. Hopefully most will understand. I believe a doctor visit would indicate ADD. I determimed it was best to step away and now i clearly see it as a good decision.

1. two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2. women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3. men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

It's always been about people like you and your lack of respect for others.

Religion and wife are of the most important...

Everything else i mentioned is stuff i deal with day in and out, nothing i can't handle.

No excuses needed really

Man, this blew up. What the hell? I don't usually get into this kind of war of words but IMHO Srans owes no one an explanation. It's his life to live, live it brother. Do what you gotta do! You've helped my quit and I know you've spent countless hours helping others. You've given your word and I will trust in that! If you post a day one you will have my support but I know better! Quit on brother!

[Lipizzaner]

Put together a quick reference guide if anyone else wanted all the excuses and addict speak more organized.

For some reason i couldn't keep ktc and family separated enough (for a lack of better words). It blead into important areas of my life and it caused stress and friction. I can't explain this. Hopefully most will understand. I believe a doctor visit would indicate ADD. I determimed it was best to step away and now i clearly see it as a good decision.

1. two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2. women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3. men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

It's always been about people like you and your lack of respect for others.

Religion and wife are of the most important...

Everything else i mentioned is stuff i deal with day in and out, nothing i can't handle.

No excuses needed really

[srans]

Well,, my exit didn't play out exactly like this in my head. The avatars and such never bothered me morgan. What bothered me was my wife being bothered. Everything else i mentioned is stuff i deal with day in and out, nothing i can't handle. Much respect morgan,,, i know your tying to help me.

What do i know ,, I'm just an addict making excuses per josh. No excuses needed really,,,, I'm quit today. Y'all keep the drama going if it helps you get through the day. I'm out!

Bump

[bronc]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

Srans brings up a valid point that is never spoken about on the site. It's offensive (not to me) and vulgar. I can definitely see where people can get turned off by the site - especially religious women who don't see the true message behind all the crudeness. IMO if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to look at it. IMO Srans shouldn't leave the site. But I'm not him. You can't make people do what they don't like. I agree with Lipi that this is all pretty weak - and I didn't see this one coming. Srans (who I only know by rep) has always been solid on the site and he has a large inner circle of quitters I have no doubt. IE - guys that lean on him for support.....Now if I were still married and I had to choose leaving KTC or divorce I'd choose leaving (as anyone with a happy healthy marriage would). Having said that, Srans is the member of KTC - not his wife. His wife has no need or cause to be on the site if she doesn't like a couple of cartoon bananas screwing. I hope you reconsider this Srans. You need never do anything but post roll in your group and your wife need never look at this site. If she (or you) believes that you are being morally compromised by this site then I'd suggest lightening up a little or else looking in the mirror and toughening your resolve - you're stronger than bad words or a picture of a girl in a bikini right?. Hope you stick - you've done a lot of good here.

Reasons of spiritual beliefs and spouse are not weak morgan. Much respect for u, but disagree. Religion and wife are of the most important...

The reasons aren't weak. A man believes what he believes. Who am I compared to your wife? Or your core beliefs? I'm a total stranger on a website. No one. But the action being taken is weak imo. Leaving isn't the only only alternative man. J2B says above there is a way to turn off
Avatars and such I think. Maybe you can look into that option. Your wife needn't look here at all ever again. Etc etc. I wouldn't have commented at all on this thread if I didn't believe you were an asset here. Hope you stick. This isn't an attack.

Srans - Please don't leave the site. There's offense all over the place, but that's not the part that matters. You can turn off the avatars. That's for sure. You don't have to participate in the nonsensical dribble that we do to pass the time and keep our minds off of quit. However, I will appeal to you to reason with me on this.

There is a very particular reason this place works like it does with the results it has. You simply have to ask yourself why you were able to quit with this site and not with the loving support of your wife previously. This is a common question all of us ask. It seems ridiculous to think that a bunch of strangers can have such an impact on quitting but the facts are it does. The truth is it works. And it worked for you.

Your wife doesn't understand addiction. You must tell her that she doesn't understand addiction and that she needs to trust you to do the right thing, and that right thing is quitting. I get it that she would be offended. I couldn't show what I've written on here and be proud of it. It's why there is an anonymous nature to it, the very founding principles. What you have here is pure accountability with no hidden agenda. The truth that is spilled here, your addict mind can't argue with. It can't use the reasons that we gave ourselves before for not listening to those closest to us that asked us to quit. Thats the power of this place. You have no way to dismiss the truth like you can with a wife. "She just doesn't understand." "She's on the rag." "She's just pissed about the last thing I did." All the excuses our addict mind gives to ignore the truth when it comes from those people closest to us.

It's different when it's coming from a bunch of strangers. You have no way to dismiss the truth that way. And then those strangers, turn into brothers, and that brotherhood is what brings about the ultimate in accountability.

SRANS, I'm literally begging you not to go. Please reason with your wife on this if you need to. She may think you don't need us, but you know you do. More important, we need you. You are a man of faith. Jesus didn't hang out with the church people of his day. He hung out with, well, pretty much dudes like us, and hookers. You're an important part of a lot of quits and its an important ministry that you are a part of.

CMARK, Keddy - are both pastors, and are both on here and have had an incredible impact. You have too. Please reach out to them if you want additional guidance and ask them for their counsel from a Christian perspective.

PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE AS A KNEE JERK REACTION

That is not a wise thing to do. In the counsel of many there is wisdom.

[srans]

Well,, my exit didn't play out exactly like this in my head. The avatars and such never bothered me morgan. What bothered me was my wife being bothered. Everything else i mentioned is stuff i deal with day in and out, nothing i can't handle. Much respect morgan,,, i know your tying to help me.

What do i know ,, I'm just an addict making excuses per josh. No excuses needed really,,,, I'm quit today. Y'all keep the drama going if it helps you get through the day. I'm out!

[Morgan1]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

Srans brings up a valid point that is never spoken about on the site. It's offensive (not to me) and vulgar. I can definitely see where people can get turned off by the site - especially religious women who don't see the true message behind all the crudeness. IMO if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to look at it. IMO Srans shouldn't leave the site. But I'm not him. You can't make people do what they don't like. I agree with Lipi that this is all pretty weak - and I didn't see this one coming. Srans (who I only know by rep) has always been solid on the site and he has a large inner circle of quitters I have no doubt. IE - guys that lean on him for support.....Now if I were still married and I had to choose leaving KTC or divorce I'd choose leaving (as anyone with a happy healthy marriage would). Having said that, Srans is the member of KTC - not his wife. His wife has no need or cause to be on the site if she doesn't like a couple of cartoon bananas screwing. I hope you reconsider this Srans. You need never do anything but post roll in your group and your wife need never look at this site. If she (or you) believes that you are being morally compromised by this site then I'd suggest lightening up a little or else looking in the mirror and toughening your resolve - you're stronger than bad words or a picture of a girl in a bikini right?. Hope you stick - you've done a lot of good here.

Reasons of spiritual beliefs and spouse are not weak morgan. Much respect for u, but disagree. Religion and wife are of the most important...

The reasons aren't weak. A man believes what he believes. Who am I compared to your wife? Or your core beliefs? I'm a total stranger on a website. No one. But the action being taken is weak imo. Leaving isn't the only only alternative man. J2B says above there is a way to turn off
Avatars and such I think. Maybe you can look into that option. Your wife needn't look here at all ever again. Etc etc. I wouldn't have commented at all on this thread if I didn't believe you were an asset here. Hope you stick. This isn't an attack.

[srans]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

Srans brings up a valid point that is never spoken about on the site. It's offensive (not to me) and vulgar. I can definitely see where people can get turned off by the site - especially religious women who don't see the true message behind all the crudeness. IMO if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to look at it. IMO Srans shouldn't leave the site. But I'm not him. You can't make people do what they don't like. I agree with Lipi that this is all pretty weak - and I didn't see this one coming. Srans (who I only know by rep) has always been solid on the site and he has a large inner circle of quitters I have no doubt. IE - guys that lean on him for support.....Now if I were still married and I had to choose leaving KTC or divorce I'd choose leaving (as anyone with a happy healthy marriage would). Having said that, Srans is the member of KTC - not his wife. His wife has no need or cause to be on the site if she doesn't like a couple of cartoon bananas screwing. I hope you reconsider this Srans. You need never do anything but post roll in your group and your wife need never look at this site. If she (or you) believes that you are being morally compromised by this site then I'd suggest lightening up a little or else looking in the mirror and toughening your resolve - you're stronger than bad words or a picture of a girl in a bikini right?. Hope you stick - you've done a lot of good here.

Reasons of spiritual beliefs and spouse are not weak morgan. Much respect for u, but disagree. Religion and wife are of the most important...

[J2b]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

Srans brings up a valid point that is never spoken about on the site. It's offensive (not to me) and vulgar. I can definitely see where people can get turned off by the site - especially religious women who don't see the true message behind all the crudeness. IMO if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to look at it. IMO Srans shouldn't leave the site. But I'm not him. You can't make people do what they don't like. I agree with Lipi that this is all pretty weak - and I didn't see this one coming. Srans (who I only know by rep) has always been solid on the site and he has a large inner circle of quitters I have no doubt. IE - guys that lean on him for support.....Now if I were still married and I had to choose leaving KTC or divorce I'd choose leaving (as anyone with a happy healthy marriage would). Having said that, Srans is the member of KTC - not his wife. His wife has no need or cause to be on the site if she doesn't like a couple of cartoon bananas screwing. I hope you reconsider this Srans. You need never do anything but post roll in your group and your wife need never look at this site. If she (or you) believes that you are being morally compromised by this site then I'd suggest lightening up a little or else looking in the mirror and toughening your resolve - you're stronger than bad words or a picture of a girl in a bikini right?. Hope you stick - you've done a lot of good here.

Before anyone gets any other bright ideas, if the avatars and emoji offend you or you feel they disrespect your wife, marriage, whatever -go to control panel and turn them off.

No excuses. Especially not bullshit ones. Addicts are great at turning anything into one, using it to suit their purpose, and then defending it. This site and community is a place where other addicts see something, say something. No need to get pissy when that happens -you should be thankful someone gives a shit enough to notice.

[Morgan1]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

Srans brings up a valid point that is never spoken about on the site. It's offensive (not to me) and vulgar. I can definitely see where people can get turned off by the site - especially religious women who don't see the true message behind all the crudeness. IMO if she doesn't like it, she doesn't have to look at it. IMO Srans shouldn't leave the site. But I'm not him. You can't make people do what they don't like. I agree with Lipi that this is all pretty weak - and I didn't see this one coming. Srans (who I only know by rep) has always been solid on the site and he has a large inner circle of quitters I have no doubt. IE - guys that lean on him for support.....Now if I were still married and I had to choose leaving KTC or divorce I'd choose leaving (as anyone with a happy healthy marriage would). Having said that, Srans is the member of KTC - not his wife. His wife has no need or cause to be on the site if she doesn't like a couple of cartoon bananas screwing. I hope you reconsider this Srans. You need never do anything but post roll in your group and your wife need never look at this site. If she (or you) believes that you are being morally compromised by this site then I'd suggest lightening up a little or else looking in the mirror and toughening your resolve - you're stronger than bad words or a picture of a girl in a bikini right?. Hope you stick - you've done a lot of good here.

[srans]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

CHANGE THE STORY!!! Shame on you moron. Read everything again,,,,, It's always the same,, I'm just trying to use words your ignorant brain can understand. It's always been about people like you and your lack of respect for others. I can't believe i let you bring me back for this.

[Lipizzaner]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

Well, that's a totally different excuse than you used in the previous 24 hours, so I hope you get your story straight and stop by from time to time.

[srans]

30 year addict,,,,,,, Much respect! I will always take what you say seriously. You deserve my utmost attention.

Now let me lay it all on the table. Imagine if you will,,,, a humble couple. A husband and wife who go to church and the husband in desperate need of help to brake the chains of nicotine. The man finds this site, keeps his beliefs strong while using ktc to help him. He tells his wife, who is very religious and one of the nicest people you will ever meet. His wife is happy that he is quitting, but has never understood his addiction. Her husband gives her his sign on and she gets on ktc and sees the following;

1, two bananas not being ate but taking part in pornography. Thats her thoughts.

2, women dressed provocatively in the corner of screens, if dressed at all.

3, men and women talking to each other with what she describes as cursing and drama.

I could add some more, but i think u get the point. If not feel free to look at lipi's signature line and his last post.

Understand this. My wife is number 2 in my life,,,, right behind my Lord and Savior. Being quit will always be of the utmost importance to me. Have a good day and God Bless!

[Lipizzaner]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

Just a few questions for the dudes supporting "Veteran Drift".
(These are based on Srans being unable to post roll again until his cave)
1. When he caves and returns, what will your reaction be?
2. Will you be supportive? (i.e. handjob squad) Will you be angry?
3. If you give him a handy when he returns, will it be because of your culpability in this planned cave?
4. Will you even bother to ask him what happened? (I mean, you were right there holding the tin for him)
5. Should he even be asked the three questions, or should you guys answer for him?
6. Should we just wave the three questions for a legend of this magnitude?
7. Are you guys supporting the drift because you have your own parachute ready to go?

I am not trying to keep Srans here if he doesn't want to be here. I am trying to snap him out of it.
Rest assured that if anyone on this site who is important to me drifts away, you will get the exact same treatment. If you don't want to see something like this in your intro, the ransom is simple- one fucking minute of your time per day. Post roll. We all fucking know that.
If you send me a pre-caver bullshit response like Srans, I will know where you are headed too. And you all should still realize that, but you're getting complacent as well.
Good luck Srans.

You know what lippi you can go fuck yourself! What have you done in the real world...not to pat my own back but I can tell you what I have done I gave two talks at a college here I shared my story of my quit and this site. I didnt do it because I am wonderful public speaker in fact I am scared to death to speak publicly but my disdain for tobacco outweighs my fear. So u can get your handy ready for me as a pleasure basis I am a strong quitter I assure you I dont need a parachute.
What are you pissed at that srans made a quiet exit no drama. An exit is not on my radar but respect his decision I believe that srans the skills to know what to do.

There is a difference between thinking you are cured and just moving on. We are all addicts and need to remember that EDD for the rest of our lives. Failure to do that is a recipe for day 1.

All cavers get the same treatment. Your questions are ridiculous.

I keep in contact with several folks that fought with me past 200+ days. Now I can do one of 2 things... tell them (1) you are dead to me, good luck or say (2) good luck, stay quit, drop in from time to time and you know how to get in touch with me if you need to. I use #2. You can use #1 if you want to and maybe we need that here as well.

We are addicts and by our very nature extremists. At some point people grow up and want to move out on their own. Just like when you were a kid and turned 18... you needed to grow up and move out on your own. It could be a slippery slope sometimes and if you slip you will return with a day 1 post. But many folks just do it when they think they are ready. You don't need to like it but it is reality.

I don't neccessarily think "growing up" and being on KTC are mutally exclusive.
I am well aware that there is a real world. And I know many folks leave "when they are ready".
Why are you making excuses for them not taking one minute to post roll? Of course we can't change their minds for them, but we don't need to support that either.
This isn't the case of "I will come back from time to time" this is "I had to leave because I was thinking about it too much". That is bullshit. If you heard that from a guy on day 10, its bullshit. Its bullshit when it comes from a guy on day 600. I will stop 'bang head' about it.
My position is clear, and I make no apologies to anyone for it, ever.