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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2018, 10:40:00 PM »
We all make decisions in life. So good, some bad. Most of us are here because we made the bad decision many years ago to put that poison in our mouth. Now for me one of the best decisions I make daily is posting my promise every morning to not use nicotine. We choose a spouse to spend our life with. Sometimes we make stupid decisions again and screw up or they screw up and it leads to a divorce. We make a decision when we are young, finish school go to college, drop out start to work, the last usually donÂ’t work out well but itÂ’s your decision. Now youÂ’re older you have all your brothers and sisters here at ktc, itÂ’s your decision with all of this support how could you not make the right one. Quit on
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2018, 09:53:00 PM »
Day 166 and haven't posted in here in about 3 months and honestly that is because things are going great. Still have occasional dip thoughts but they are quickly crushed. I wanted to document a couple of things from over the past 3 months.

Haven't had a dip dream in a long while, but did have a dream that I missed posting roll. I felt just as bad as I did when I had a dip dream in the past. This is telling me how committed I am to the KTC way and my quit brothers.

Been having dreams nightly, most nights more than one. For most my life I have gone months and years without remembering any dreams. For the past couple of months I have been having very vivid and mostly realistic dreams, both good dreams and bad ones. A lot of times during the day I think about the dream from the prior night and it takes me a good minute to remember that it was a dream and not real life. Not sure if this has anything to do with quitting or brain rewiring but wanted to document for future reference.

Spring/summer is approaching if the weather allows it. I often think about certain summer activities that I will be experiencing for the 1st time dip free. I know its not rational to worry about these things coming in the future and I will take it ODAAT, but it doesn't stop the thoughts from floating through my mind here and there. I hate the fact that I spend time thinking about these future events. I read something today that I have pasted below that really speaks to how I want to handle these future activities.
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Always loved fishing and playing softball with a dip. When I quit some 3+ years ago didnÂ’t think it would be possible to do either without dip. I thought to myself, IÂ’ve let tobacco stop me from doing a lot of things itÂ’s time for me to grab my sack, man up and show this piece of shit whoÂ’s the boss. Got my SM chew, gum headed out, had problems first couple of times, talked to my brothers on here some and now it very seldom is on my mind. You see I learned to hate the shit that was controlling my life. Life is so much better without the bitch! Learn to hate here, quit the romance and be the man or woman you were meant to be. Damn proud to be quitting with you all today!

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I saw this posted in July today. This really speaks to me and thought I would copy it in here in case it may help anyone else. We / I are still going through a lot of firsts with not having been through a full year or a spring/summer. This weighs on my mind as there are so many summer activities that I closely associate with dip and this will be the summer of breaking those associations, same way I have been breaking them the past 5 months. I think the attitude Pab talks about will be essential for me this summer; remembering what dip stopped me from doing, what it took away from me, and me being the one in control from now on. That romancing shit still creeps into my head every now and then when I think about summer stuff. I still need to see this stuff and to be ready to face these firsts. Thanks for putting this out there Pab!

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2018, 04:03:00 PM »
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Congratulations on 100 days of freedom man!

This is only the beginning, and it will be a tough next 100... but you will soon see how much better it gets!
Congratulations Mike! YouÂ’re doing great. More and more freedom awaits my friend. Keep on doing what youÂ’re doing
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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2018, 10:38:00 AM »
Congratulations on 100 days of freedom man!

This is only the beginning, and it will be a tough next 100... but you will soon see how much better it gets!
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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2018, 10:46:00 AM »
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Day 81, haven't thought about updating anything here in quite a while which I guess has been a good thing. Things are going very well with my quit overall. Yesterday and today have really sucked so I wanted to document. In all honesty I have no idea if this has anything to do with quitting nicotine or if it is just regular life. I have some crap going on in different areas of my life (work is crazy, some family issues, and am having a major renovation done at my house while I live at my in-laws house). It may just be the combination of all this nonsense at once but I have been seeing red for a good part of yesterday and this morning so far. I snapped at my wife twice yesterday and once at a coworker which is extremely unusual. I am not the type of person that easily gets pissed, I am pretty easy going in all aspects of life. I can't remember being this pissed in many years. I was also surprised to wake up still pre-occuppied with anger and some anxiety. I would have thought a sleep would have helped more. As I write this I am starting to feel a bit better so hopefully today will get back to normal.

The thought of dipping to "relieve" this anger/anxiety has crossed my mind a few times. I am proud that I have quickly shut those thoughts out of my head and said to myself that there is no way I am going back to that crap. I am happy that my defenses against the bitch are stronger than the temptation even when I am at a weak point. I have been trying some of the usual methods to help get past this - exercise, deep breaths, water. Strangely enough (or maybe not) posting my support to fellow quitters this morning has brought me some relief and I will take it anyway I can get it. Thanks KTC!
Life's full of stress, is it not?

I completely get that feeling of - aw screw it, just go back to the dip and this stress will go away.

Except, we both know it won't. When I had a real stressful time, caught between about 5 things, I just went outside and let out the biggest AUGGGHHHH!!!!!!! and then realized that did help. Chew the shit outta some gum. Chomp on that stuff like you hate it. Use a stress ball or tennis ball and squeeze the crap outta it.

But know this. Your house will get done. Your work will settle down, life will get smoother. And you will still be quit. You will make it through this and it will make you stronger. Cuz thats what life does.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2018, 09:50:00 AM »
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Day 81, haven't thought about updating anything here in quite a while which I guess has been a good thing. Things are going very well with my quit overall. Yesterday and today have really sucked so I wanted to document. In all honesty I have no idea if this has anything to do with quitting nicotine or if it is just regular life. I have some crap going on in different areas of my life (work is crazy, some family issues, and am having a major renovation done at my house while I live at my in-laws house). It may just be the combination of all this nonsense at once but I have been seeing red for a good part of yesterday and this morning so far. I snapped at my wife twice yesterday and once at a coworker which is extremely unusual. I am not the type of person that easily gets pissed, I am pretty easy going in all aspects of life. I can't remember being this pissed in many years. I was also surprised to wake up still pre-occuppied with anger and some anxiety. I would have thought a sleep would have helped more. As I write this I am starting to feel a bit better so hopefully today will get back to normal.

The thought of dipping to "relieve" this anger/anxiety has crossed my mind a few times. I am proud that I have quickly shut those thoughts out of my head and said to myself that there is no way I am going back to that crap. I am happy that my defenses against the bitch are stronger than the temptation even when I am at a weak point. I have been trying some of the usual methods to help get past this - exercise, deep breaths, water. Strangely enough (or maybe not) posting my support to fellow quitters this morning has brought me some relief and I will take it anyway I can get it. Thanks KTC!
Life's full of stress, is it not?

I completely get that feeling of - aw screw it, just go back to the dip and this stress will go away.

Except, we both know it won't. When I had a real stressful time, caught between about 5 things, I just went outside and let out the biggest AUGGGHHHH!!!!!!! and then realized that did help. Chew the shit outta some gum. Chomp on that stuff like you hate it. Use a stress ball or tennis ball and squeeze the crap outta it.

But know this. Your house will get done. Your work will settle down, life will get smoother. And you will still be quit. You will make it through this and it will make you stronger. Cuz thats what life does.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2018, 09:43:00 AM »
Day 81, haven't thought about updating anything here in quite a while which I guess has been a good thing. Things are going very well with my quit overall. Yesterday and today have really sucked so I wanted to document. In all honesty I have no idea if this has anything to do with quitting nicotine or if it is just regular life. I have some crap going on in different areas of my life (work is crazy, some family issues, and am having a major renovation done at my house while I live at my in-laws house). It may just be the combination of all this nonsense at once but I have been seeing red for a good part of yesterday and this morning so far. I snapped at my wife twice yesterday and once at a coworker which is extremely unusual. I am not the type of person that easily gets pissed, I am pretty easy going in all aspects of life. I can't remember being this pissed in many years. I was also surprised to wake up still pre-occuppied with anger and some anxiety. I would have thought a sleep would have helped more. As I write this I am starting to feel a bit better so hopefully today will get back to normal.

The thought of dipping to "relieve" this anger/anxiety has crossed my mind a few times. I am proud that I have quickly shut those thoughts out of my head and said to myself that there is no way I am going back to that crap. I am happy that my defenses against the bitch are stronger than the temptation even when I am at a weak point. I have been trying some of the usual methods to help get past this - exercise, deep breaths, water. Strangely enough (or maybe not) posting my support to fellow quitters this morning has brought me some relief and I will take it anyway I can get it. Thanks KTC!

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2017, 10:08:00 AM »
Thanks for the heads up Dun! I appreciate all the warnings and advice and know I can never hear it enough. I went back after about a year quit many years ago so I understand the complacency factor with time passing. Proud to be quit with you.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2017, 07:55:00 AM »
Mike,

You are doing a great job with your quit but remember not to let your guard down.

You need to quickly change your focus to something else when you think about dipping.

You also need to be aware that when you approach major milestones like 50, 100 days etc, when you think things should be getting easier, they instead get harder. You will feel pangs of want. Ignore those pangs, change your focus and soldier on.

Just giving your fair warning.

I quit with you today. Dundippin day 827.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2017, 12:38:00 PM »
Day 44 update, things are going very well. I am going longer periods of time without thinking about dip. I can say that the cravings I experience are no where near as intense as they were before. Now when I get a crave I stick a toothpick or piece of gum in my mouth and it goes away quickly. I get slightly stronger cravings on weekends and during down times and for those I am using the fake. In general the fake still falls short of what I remember kodiak tasting like but it is becoming less of a concern for me. That is something that truly made me angry early on - the damn taste of fake tobacco. Dumb. I a I went overboard a few weeks ago and over ordered fake so I have many varieties of Hooch (my preference), SMC, and Jake's around. I was a Kodiak wintergreen user and I have found surprisingly that wintergreen is the flavor I like least. I am still at the point where once in a while I will realize dip hasn't popped into my mind in 3 or 4 hours and I am amazed by that short amount of "freedom". Sometimes the thought crosses my mind that I need to be thinking about dip more often to stay quit, almost like if I don't keep it in the forefront of my mind I will relapse. This is some pretty jacked up logic. I am keeping my guard up and not getting cocky about my short term success as I had a bad day a couple of weeks ago and know that another one could come back at any time.

I had my 2nd dip dream and I felt the most amount of guilt possible. I didn't make the choice to dip in the dream it just started with me dipping in the dream and I could not understand why. I spit it out and felt terrible. If this felt this bad in the dream I can not imagine what it would feel like in real life and I won't let that happen. I was around a couple of cousins that dip at a holiday party and was not tempted in the least. That surprised me, in a good way. I really haven't been around many dippers since I quit because most of my buddies never dipped or quit along time ago. I told them that I quit. Really I have been telling anyone and everyone that I quit and that has been helpful. Takes more options of caving off the table.

I am still spending many, many hours on KTC a week reading, quit groups, intros, hall of fame, everything. For me, I can't get enough of all of our stories, shared experiences, advice, triumphs, and even failures. There are so many of us addicts going through very similar things and winning. We are not alone and we can succeed. I am also learning from what I see from those that have failed. Up until 44 days ago I really thought I would be dipping until the day I died and I accepted that as my reality. No more. What a difference a mindset can make. It has and is a difficult process getting that mindset to change but I can say that mine is changing and it feels great. Well worth the pain for this reward.

If anyone considering/trying quitting is reading this, quit now. Get to work on changing your mindset. Everyday matters. The sooner you start the process the sooner you will realize its worth and find a happier life.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2017, 09:21:00 PM »
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Thanks Pab! Love seeing success stories like yours, helps to see it can and IS being done. 1000 plus days is amazing! You are right, i am like you in that I never really had much of a normal as an adult. I am getting my new normal in pieces and loving it while it lasts. I am excited to keep it going and keep experiencing longer periods of the new normal.
The way I look at it there were a lot more downs than ups when I did dip! Now way more ups than downs! Loving the quit life ODAAT!
Tobacco is so addictive it took me a year after a massive heart attack, in which doctor confirmed caused from dipping to finally put a lid on the bitch! ODAAT EDD

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2017, 10:20:00 PM »
Thanks Pab! Love seeing success stories like yours, helps to see it can and IS being done. 1000 plus days is amazing! You are right, i am like you in that I never really had much of a normal as an adult. I am getting my new normal in pieces and loving it while it lasts. I am excited to keep it going and keep experiencing longer periods of the new normal.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2017, 11:54:00 PM »
Wow dude youÂ’re killing this! Damn proud to be quitting with you! Dipped 38 years myself 1075 days later never felt any better. Quit on. My numbers a pm away. Wait till the new normal hits you. If like me you never knew what normal was since I started dipping into at 12.
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2017, 02:27:00 PM »
Day 32 for me. Still going through ups and downs and coming to the realization that there will always be ups and downs with this, but hoping for less downs as the quit time builds. Day 31 was a rough day for me where I was thinking about/missing the Kodiak throughout the day. It was weird because I haven't had my thoughts that consumed by it for that length of time in a couple of weeks and was thinking I was past that part. I am understanding that I must be ready with my tools at any time, these attacks can happen no matter how good or bad things have been going. I seem to be doing well handling most of my triggers other than what I will call boredom or sitting around watching tv. This is my biggest challenge and when I think about dip the most. Its what I call the "passing the time" dips that I am missing. Happy to say on this day 32 I am feeling much better.

I am still heavily using all of the substitutes - toothpicks, gum, candy, and fake. Sometimes I wonder if, in the ultimate irony, my jaw might fall off from the overuse of these. I tried my umpteenth brand of the fake, Hooch, and this one seems like the closest substitute so far, even though it is not very close at all. Nothing seems to come close to the taste that I became addicted to. Anyway its better than using, and I am mostly only using fake on the weekends so not a ton.

I have been spending a ton of time reading on this site and can't stress enough how much helpful, reassuring, inspiring, information there is out here. Reading intros, HOF speeches, and quit groups - the amount of information is unbelievable and is great info to have to stay quit. I have been reaching out to more members and that definitely keeps me quit and maybe helps them also. I have been telling more friends about my quit and they have all been supportive. My favorite reaction is the old "No shit, its about time you moron! You aren't a teenager anymore. How the hell could you have been doing this for so long". Of course reactions like this come from the non-addict friends. They are funny/sad/true all at the same time. I told my parents also - I hesitated to tell them for a bit as I wanted to be more sure of myself before I did and not risk disappointing them. My mom said she had just been praying about me quitting the past week and my Dad's voice sounded as happy as I have heard it in a while. I started dipping way back as a 13 yr old living with my parents and like most 13 year old's was a terrible ninja so they have been aware of my use since the beginning. Later in life I was only a ninja at work and in front of my parents. I got to the point were I did it openly in front of anyone and could care less, except for my parents and work (for fear of being asked to stop) where I became a ninja because god knows I couldn't just stop during those times.. I am very proud that I have been able to share my quit with my parents and I am happy they have one less thing to worry about.

I told my cousin about my quit. He also is a Kodiak addict who quit, while using this site some years ago. In fact he told me about this site years ago when he quit but I wasn't interested at the time. Seeing him successfully quit I kept that info in the back of my mind for the last several years and when I was ready to quit looked up this site. We talked for a bit about the site. He stopped using the site after a year or so but remains quit. He said he learned many things on here and the biggest one was that he is an addict and he can never ever have just one again. I agree that this is the most important advice to heed for me. I can never have just one again. When he 1st quit all I could think too myself was that he was making it look so easy. He never seemed phased by it. I brought that up with him and he said he was going crazy so that made me feel a little more normal. He also said how it was hard to stay quit when I was dipping around him which made me feel like a real dick. That thought didn't even cross my mind back in the day and now I am uber aware of triggers like that.

I continue to deal with the ups and downs but am very happy and proud to be quit - those permanent good feelings far outweigh the temporary crave/frustrating/annoyed times.

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Re: Mike2017a
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2017, 09:38:00 PM »
Nice work Mike! Keep it up man.