Doing it for real.

[Paddington]

Day 24. Been pretty stress free last few days. Went to work and came home. Been hiking, playing video games, being a homebody. Going through a can or two of smokey mountain and chewing a bag of seeds a day. Today went into town to visit the PO BOX. Nothing good ever comes in the mail. Always a bill, someone wanting something, or some bullshit I have to deal with.

Ended up being all three this morning.

I am not going to chew, I already signed today's roll call. That is a promise I will not break. I ended up going to a gas station and purchased seeds and fake chew. Cleaned them completely out. I saw the chew on the wall but I did not actually have an urge to buy it. It is strange. I don't think I ever liked chew, I just liked the action of doing it and the reaction I got from the nicotine. Since I have figured out ways to trick myself, I am fine using the seeds and smokey mountain, although it still does not satisfy me like chew did.

I hope that rant was coherent. Regardless of its clarity it made me feel better just typing it up.

So here is my question. You know that feeling of doom that we fixed with tobacco? I have obviously replaced it with seeds and fake snuff. While better I don't think it is appropriate. I should be able to handle situations like opening the mail without the world coming to an end. How long did it take all of you to fight these little stresses. That is if you even had them to begin with.

End rant.

[Scowick65]

Wanted to check on the post roll rules. I don't feel confident posting roll on my phone as I am having problems cutting and pasting. I got called into work today for 6 hours which has turned into at least 18 hours as of right now. EMS right! If someone could post roll in April quitters group for me I would appreciate it. No chew today. Got a pack of gum a bag of almonds and 3 cans of smky mountain. My partner today worked with me for 1 year when I was full time and chewed. He is fucking proud and says I am more enjoyable to be around as I am not moody and always fighting the nicotine depletion. That says alot as your crew or partner on the rig is attached to your hip. Dare I say just as intimate as a spouse when you think about it. 1/3 of your life for that full 24 hours no further than 10 feet from each other or others.

Hi Paddington. Keep it up! I've been watching your quit and am glad to help. I just posted to April roll for today for you. Also keep bulding out your support network. You can always text someone and ask them to post for you. I've done that a few times. PM me sometime if you'd like my number.

Keep up the good quit- you are doing it!

Way to work it guys!

[brettlees]

Wanted to check on the post roll rules. I don't feel confident posting roll on my phone as I am having problems cutting and pasting. I got called into work today for 6 hours which has turned into at least 18 hours as of right now. EMS right! If someone could post roll in April quitters group for me I would appreciate it. No chew today. Got a pack of gum a bag of almonds and 3 cans of smky mountain. My partner today worked with me for 1 year when I was full time and chewed. He is fucking proud and says I am more enjoyable to be around as I am not moody and always fighting the nicotine depletion. That says alot as your crew or partner on the rig is attached to your hip. Dare I say just as intimate as a spouse when you think about it. 1/3 of your life for that full 24 hours no further than 10 feet from each other or others.

Hi Paddington. Keep it up! I've been watching your quit and am glad to help. I just posted to April roll for today for you. Also keep bulding out your support network. You can always text someone and ask them to post for you. I've done that a few times. PM me sometime if you'd like my number.

Keep up the good quit- you are doing it!

[Paddington]

Wanted to check on the post roll rules. I don't feel confident posting roll on my phone as I am having problems cutting and pasting. I got called into work today for 6 hours which has turned into at least 18 hours as of right now. EMS right! If someone could post roll in April quitters group for me I would appreciate it. No chew today. Got a pack of gum a bag of almonds and 3 cans of smky mountain. My partner today worked with me for 1 year when I was full time and chewed. He is fucking proud and says I am more enjoyable to be around as I am not moody and always fighting the nicotine depletion. That says alot as your crew or partner on the rig is attached to your hip. Dare I say just as intimate as a spouse when you think about it. 1/3 of your life for that full 24 hours no further than 10 feet from each other or others.

[Paddington]

USCG, I got your point, no need to apologize. In a way it is an addiction as well as a habit.

Well day 20 has been pretty fucking good. Pardon my language! Got some good sleep, did pretty well today and got a lot done. I go shooting probably 1-2 times a week at an indoor range. Nothing better than bringing the .45 out and putting some rounds down range. Since quitting I have not enjoyed shooting as much. I actually forced myself to go the last few weeks. I would usually go through a half can in the 2 hours I would dick around there. So far the smokey mountain has helped and like it has been mentioned I go through 1-2 cans a day. While shooting today I didn't reach for the smokey mountain as it is messy, sticky and I did not want to handle my Gold Cup after having sticky stuff on my hands. I was surprised that I was able to make it through the event without something in my mouth. It really goes to show that the more you go back to your triggers and fight them the easier it gets.

Hope everyone is doing well and sticking to their quit.

Oh and before I forget. T-cell. Some more information-

I have greatly reduced my food intake, I don't feel the need to eat 24/7. That was the case the first 16 days or so. I have started getting more active. The first few days I just sat on my ass and moped around (I know that just made it worse) I am at 200lbs, while last month I was 185 and on the way to my goal of 160. I don't feel as bloated though and am getting more regular (as in once a day). When I was eating healthy (which I am back to doing so) and active, I was a twice a day guy. The first week or so I must have gone 3-5 days without going. The last time I did that I was on a strict diet of MREs in 100+ degree heat on the fire line.

[USCG77]

I apologize if anyone thought I was saying nicotine is a habit. Its not, it is the hardest addiction there is to overcome. The point I was trying to make is that the practice or ritual of dipping and all actions surrounding dipping are habits.
The use off non nicotine fake dip does not in itself replace the urge to use nicotine but rather full fills the regular habit of dipping. Yes this habit was created from an addiction but they are ultimately 2 seperate issues. I am a nicotine addict. If I had a cigar, nic gum or smoke I would instantly be back at square one. The oral fixation from dipping is like I said before a habit. We are nicotine addicts not dip addicts.

Again if the fake dip helps you cope and keep your quit then by all means use it. Eventually you need to address the habit of dipping if you want to be free of sticking stuff in your lip.

[T-Cell]

Sam, Derk, Srans, Kubrick. Thanks for the replies. Tomorrow morning I will be on day 20. This is the longest in 7 years I have gone without tobacco in my system. I have actually started to feel better. Today has been super productive and I feel amazing. This is the best I have felt in a long time. I find that going for 2-3 mile walks in the evening has helped with the insomnia. I know it sounds weird, but I suppose it just tires me out. I have put on 15lbs in the last 2 weeks although I have noticed my appetite has slowed down in the last 3 days. I am eating better and not craving crap foods like the first 2 weeks. I still am irregular, which has blown my mind! I know why one would be irregular but with all the fluid, fiber and good gut food such as yoghurt I have been consuming I really thought it would not be as much of an issue.

Well that is an update, I figure day 20 is worth documenting.

Thanks guys.

Also, the Smokey Mountain. I cleaned out the small store in town. I am going to the next biggest town tomorrow and know of a place that has some. I am at 1-2 cans a day of the smokey mountain. I have mixed feelings. I still have spitters laying around, and still feel gross, but that is psychological (I don't have to spit this stuff and the only reason I am using it is for the psychological withdrawals, not the physical).

Next goal will be to cut it out.

Sounds like a little more info would be useful here. First, you were regular when you chewed because in addition to being an addictive poison and carcinogen, dip is also a laxative. Many of us went through an adjustment period going without a constant laxative for the first times in our adult lives. Your body will eventually adjust. 'flush'

[Wt57]

In regards to the use of nicotine free alternatives, I liked using Smokey Mountain Fake Dip. It got me through the first couple weeks of my quit. On day 15 I decided I was stronger then the urge and stopped using the fake stuff. They say it takes 21 days to create a habit and another 21 days to break
k a habit. I notice that the urge is still there and probably will be forever since I am a nic addict but the ability to handle the urge and avoid compulsive habits gets easier. There are few things greater in life then a pinch of Copenhagen, but I know that I am strong enough to keep my quit. ODAAT and keep posting roll. On day 27 my only real complaint is dealing with chapped lips. Never had this issue with dip. Anyways stay quit my fellow quitters and if fake dip helps you achieve that then note power to you. Just be careful not to be consumed by compulsive behaviors.

I've got to make a point. Nothing about our nicotine use is a habit. That was my error for decades, I felt that I could always break my "bad habit" in a couple weeks when I want to. We are freaking addicts to one of the most addicting substances known to man. I'm not diminishing your current number of days or anyone else's, but sending out a warning that the nic bitch is patient and waits for you to let your guard down. An example; I hadnt had cravings in many months and then this past week I had a dip dream followed by a day of intense craving for two full days. WT 667

[LifeAfterDip]

True, however if smokey mountain keeps someone from having the urge to use the real stuff then it is certainly worth using. The oral fixation that us ex-dippers are so used to will fade in time and quitting smokey wont be nearly as difficult as nicotine.

[USCG77]

In regards to the use of nicotine free alternatives, I liked using Smokey Mountain Fake Dip. It got me through the first couple weeks of my quit. On day 15 I decided I was stronger then the urge and stopped using the fake stuff. They say it takes 21 days to create a habit and another 21 days to break
k a habit. I notice that the urge is still there and probably will be forever since I am a nic addict but the ability to handle the urge and avoid compulsive habits gets easier. There are few things greater in life then a pinch of Copenhagen, but I know that I am strong enough to keep my quit. ODAAT and keep posting roll. On day 27 my only real complaint is dealing with chapped lips. Never had this issue with dip. Anyways stay quit my fellow quitters and if fake dip helps you achieve that then note power to you. Just be careful not to be consumed by compulsive behaviors.

[LifeAfterDip]

Congrats man! That's an awesome achievement. Take a moment be proud of yourself. Today is day 22 for me, which is also the longest I've gone since starting dippin consistently 3 years ago. I, like you, have been slowly starting to feel a change in how my body and brain is adjusting. All I can say is to be patient! Give things time to happen! This fight is going to take the rest of your life to win, so try not to be in a rush. In regards to the Smokey Mountain I personally have been using about a tin a day which is exactly how much Grizzly I used to poison myself with. I'm not worried about using the smokey because I don't need it like I needed my nicotine. I don't need to stay up late to my fix or to borrow some if I was out. Its something that makes it a little bit easier for me to stay quit early on and to me, is definitely worth it. Quit on bro! You're kicking ass!

[Paddington]

Sam, Derk, Srans, Kubrick. Thanks for the replies. Tomorrow morning I will be on day 20. This is the longest in 7 years I have gone without tobacco in my system. I have actually started to feel better. Today has been super productive and I feel amazing. This is the best I have felt in a long time. I find that going for 2-3 mile walks in the evening has helped with the insomnia. I know it sounds weird, but I suppose it just tires me out. I have put on 15lbs in the last 2 weeks although I have noticed my appetite has slowed down in the last 3 days. I am eating better and not craving crap foods like the first 2 weeks. I still am irregular, which has blown my mind! I know why one would be irregular but with all the fluid, fiber and good gut food such as yoghurt I have been consuming I really thought it would not be as much of an issue.

Well that is an update, I figure day 20 is worth documenting.

Thanks guys.

Also, the Smokey Mountain. I cleaned out the small store in town. I am going to the next biggest town tomorrow and know of a place that has some. I am at 1-2 cans a day of the smokey mountain. I have mixed feelings. I still have spitters laying around, and still feel gross, but that is psychological (I don't have to spit this stuff and the only reason I am using it is for the psychological withdrawals, not the physical).

Next goal will be to cut it out.

[Kubrick]

Starting day 19 in 10 minutes (my time/western).

I wanted to say that the cravings have not gone away. They appear to be the same, but I know in actuality they are getting fewer and far between as well as shorter. I have turned to using Smokey Mountain. I find it funny how while chewing I could not stand Smokey Mountain. Over 10 days into no chew and smokey mountain feels and looks like the real stuff. I have read a blog post in regards to using products like Smokey Mountain and, whether, or not that is actually winning. I figure I am of the mindset that anything that is not nicotine and or tobacco is alright for now, even if it does look like it, taste like it, and feel like it to a degree.

What are your thoughts?

First congrats on Day 19! I think that ulitmately it is personal choice. The rules for KTC are to remain nic free, there is no rule or expecatation about putting anything else in your mouth. You could pack dryer lint in there as long as it is nic free. For me, right now, I think it would hit a little to close to home, so I chew Trident and suck a fireball once in a while. I was having a conversation about this with Ziilah cowboy a few days back and some one (to lazy to go back and look but the conversation is on ZC intro) summed it up nicely...paraphrase..."Quit is quit (nic free), why split hairs on the other stuff". Gaurd your quit and do what you need to to remain nic free. I quit with you today.

19 days is great bro! Let's get one thing straight... You are winning today! Anything without nicotine is fair game.

There is a lot of bogus opinions on the internet and in the media. Some places tell you that NRT is winning - it is not. I've seen commercials that tell you that e-cigs are winning - they are not.

The true path to quit and victory is exactly what you are doing. Cold turkey and cutting nicotine out of your life.

The only real similarity with smokey mt and dip is that they come in a tin, they look similar, you put it in you lip and spit. The fact is that stuff is totally safe and won't kill you. You use it until you decide you don't need to. That may be never. But it is better than the alternative.

Keep at it bro. Remember that when you wake up, post roll and you hold your word that day --- that is victory. Quit on!

I'm with derk friend. Do what you need to to keep the real stuff out. I used it until the 40's and had no problem tossing it. You can't get addicted to a herb. If the most you are worried about right now is the fake you have a great quit going. Great job! Glad to be quit with you.

I used the fake stuff (Hooch was my favorite) until I was around 400 days. Everyone is different, but if it helps you like it helped me, then keep on using it guilt free. At some point, you'll most likely just stop using it like most of us did.

[srans]

Starting day 19 in 10 minutes (my time/western).

I wanted to say that the cravings have not gone away. They appear to be the same, but I know in actuality they are getting fewer and far between as well as shorter. I have turned to using Smokey Mountain. I find it funny how while chewing I could not stand Smokey Mountain. Over 10 days into no chew and smokey mountain feels and looks like the real stuff. I have read a blog post in regards to using products like Smokey Mountain and, whether, or not that is actually winning. I figure I am of the mindset that anything that is not nicotine and or tobacco is alright for now, even if it does look like it, taste like it, and feel like it to a degree.

What are your thoughts?

First congrats on Day 19! I think that ulitmately it is personal choice. The rules for KTC are to remain nic free, there is no rule or expecatation about putting anything else in your mouth. You could pack dryer lint in there as long as it is nic free. For me, right now, I think it would hit a little to close to home, so I chew Trident and suck a fireball once in a while. I was having a conversation about this with Ziilah cowboy a few days back and some one (to lazy to go back and look but the conversation is on ZC intro) summed it up nicely...paraphrase..."Quit is quit (nic free), why split hairs on the other stuff". Gaurd your quit and do what you need to to remain nic free. I quit with you today.

19 days is great bro! Let's get one thing straight... You are winning today! Anything without nicotine is fair game.

There is a lot of bogus opinions on the internet and in the media. Some places tell you that NRT is winning - it is not. I've seen commercials that tell you that e-cigs are winning - they are not.

The true path to quit and victory is exactly what you are doing. Cold turkey and cutting nicotine out of your life.

The only real similarity with smokey mt and dip is that they come in a tin, they look similar, you put it in you lip and spit. The fact is that stuff is totally safe and won't kill you. You use it until you decide you don't need to. That may be never. But it is better than the alternative.

Keep at it bro. Remember that when you wake up, post roll and you hold your word that day --- that is victory. Quit on!

I'm with derk friend. Do what you need to to keep the real stuff out. I used it until the 40's and had no problem tossing it. You can't get addicted to a herb. If the most you are worried about right now is the fake you have a great quit going. Great job! Glad to be quit with you.

[Derk40]

Starting day 19 in 10 minutes (my time/western).

I wanted to say that the cravings have not gone away. They appear to be the same, but I know in actuality they are getting fewer and far between as well as shorter. I have turned to using Smokey Mountain. I find it funny how while chewing I could not stand Smokey Mountain. Over 10 days into no chew and smokey mountain feels and looks like the real stuff. I have read a blog post in regards to using products like Smokey Mountain and, whether, or not that is actually winning. I figure I am of the mindset that anything that is not nicotine and or tobacco is alright for now, even if it does look like it, taste like it, and feel like it to a degree.

What are your thoughts?

First congrats on Day 19! I think that ulitmately it is personal choice. The rules for KTC are to remain nic free, there is no rule or expecatation about putting anything else in your mouth. You could pack dryer lint in there as long as it is nic free. For me, right now, I think it would hit a little to close to home, so I chew Trident and suck a fireball once in a while. I was having a conversation about this with Ziilah cowboy a few days back and some one (to lazy to go back and look but the conversation is on ZC intro) summed it up nicely...paraphrase..."Quit is quit (nic free), why split hairs on the other stuff". Gaurd your quit and do what you need to to remain nic free. I quit with you today.

19 days is great bro! Let's get one thing straight... You are winning today! Anything without nicotine is fair game.

There is a lot of bogus opinions on the internet and in the media. Some places tell you that NRT is winning - it is not. I've seen commercials that tell you that e-cigs are winning - they are not.

The true path to quit and victory is exactly what you are doing. Cold turkey and cutting nicotine out of your life.

The only real similarity with smokey mt and dip is that they come in a tin, they look similar, you put it in you lip and spit. The fact is that stuff is totally safe and won't kill you. You use it until you decide you don't need to. That may be never. But it is better than the alternative.

Keep at it bro. Remember that when you wake up, post roll and you hold your word that day --- that is victory. Quit on!