Diesel's Intro Page

[Wt57]

Thank you.

There is only one way to Quit.....Fucking Quit!!!!

Thanks again Diesel...

Diesel you are one bad ass MFer. Love ya man!

[jaynellie]

Thank you.

There is only one way to Quit.....Fucking Quit!!!!

Thanks again Diesel...

[Kubiak]

Thank you.

[Diesel2112]

Busy weekend as I am the assistant athletic director at my kids school (despite somes claim I have no life), and we hosted a huge girls basketball tournament.

Our head A.D. is a chain smoker, every half hour or so he would say, "time to go burn one", like he was about to go outside and get a prize or something. Instead, he would go out into the frigid Michigan air and suck on a lung dart.

I don't preach to those who don't WANT to be helped so I never said a word to him until he said to me, "Craig, we gotta get you smoking my man". Not sure if that was some kind of term of endearment as he missed me for those 5 minutes he would disappear outside, but it was probably one of the dumbest things anyone has ever said to me.

Very calmly I just said, "No way man, that shit will kill you" and then went on to tell him my story of chewing for 15 years, my early struggles to quit, and that I had no desire to be a SLAVE to nicotine any longer. I also reminded him that I had two young kids and I'd like to be with them as long as possible.

He did not seem to like that, especially since he has two sons of his own, both in high school now. He got very agitated and defensive after I told him my story and started throwing addict logic at me. But I was ready, WITH BOLD REBUTTALS...

"Hey man, we all gotta die of something"...YEAH BUT NO FROM THAT SHIT. HAVENT YOU EVER SEEN OR READ ANYTHING ABOUT HOW BAD SMOKING IS FOR YOU??? SHITS A PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT

"I could get hit by a bus tomorrow"...DON'T YOU LOOK BOTH WAYS BEFORE YOU CROSS THE STREET? AND WHEN IS THE LAST TIME YOU HEARD OF ANY MOTHER FUCKER GETTING HIT BY A BUS????

"My Aunt Suzie smoked and she lived to be 95"...MY WIFES UNCLE DIED LAST YEAR FROM SMALL CELL CANCER, HE SMOKED FOR 40 YEARS, HE WAS 58.

"I'm smoking as a favor to my son's. When they see me with cancer and die, they will know not to smoke"....THAT'S THE DUMBEST THING YOU HAVE EVER SAID AND I KNOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT.

"Smoking relaxes me"...IF THAT'S THE CASE WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO OUTSIDE EVERY HALF HOUR TO SMOKE SOME MORE???

"Dude, I can't quit. I'm fucking addicted as a mother fucker"...BINGO, YOU DON'T WANT TO QUIT.

His final word..."Nope and I aint gonna either".

Sad shit boys and girls. Keep fighting the good fight. Don't be a fucking douche nozzle like that guy.

Stay Quit...

[stew5978]

Hey Diesel
When I first joined KTC I read your posts all over the place and quickly came to the conclusion that you were one quit dude! I don't know why, but tonight I read your whole 41 page intro and I am exhausted. To follow your path has totally de-funked me tonight! What a great journey . You are nurturing and protecting one beautiful garden! Thanks for keeping up on it like you did. You would be one of my biggest quit leaders even if you didn't worship at the alter of the Holy Canadian Triumvirate!

Dude...if you took the time to read all 41 pages of my fucked up intro, you must have either been funking like a funked out funker, or bored out your mind.

My journey has been pretty jacked up. If it helped you in any way, then I'm happy for that.

But remember, "the point of a journey, is not to arrive".

Quit on...

I need to save the world

fuck dip i quit

I still remember that day of meltdown and knew I wasn't alone. I always know if I start losing my mind diesel will understand and listen before telling me "fuck you", and "get your head out of your ass".
We quit, we deal with life's challenges, we tell our cravings to fuck off, we set down and cry if we need to but at the end of the day we pat ourselves and our brothers and sisters on the back and say well done. And then we start over again. ( that was my reasoning behind posting my promise shortly after midnight everyday for months.)
I will quit with diesel everyday because I've been there since his day 1 and know the struggles he has overcome.

What are you guys trying to do, make a guy weepy???

Thanks for being there from day 1 WT, and thanks to anyone who took the time to post some words of encouragement. That's what makes this site great.

I took a look back and some guys are still here kicking ass and others
went back to the can.

Proud to be an ass kicker, with all of you.

Quit on...

yup, Diesel's thread has kept me going...

[Diesel2112]

Hey Diesel
When I first joined KTC I read your posts all over the place and quickly came to the conclusion that you were one quit dude! I don't know why, but tonight I read your whole 41 page intro and I am exhausted. To follow your path has totally de-funked me tonight! What a great journey . You are nurturing and protecting one beautiful garden! Thanks for keeping up on it like you did. You would be one of my biggest quit leaders even if you didn't worship at the alter of the Holy Canadian Triumvirate!

Dude...if you took the time to read all 41 pages of my fucked up intro, you must have either been funking like a funked out funker, or bored out your mind.

My journey has been pretty jacked up. If it helped you in any way, then I'm happy for that.

But remember, "the point of a journey, is not to arrive".

Quit on...

I need to save the world

fuck dip i quit

I still remember that day of meltdown and knew I wasn't alone. I always know if I start losing my mind diesel will understand and listen before telling me "fuck you", and "get your head out of your ass".
We quit, we deal with life's challenges, we tell our cravings to fuck off, we set down and cry if we need to but at the end of the day we pat ourselves and our brothers and sisters on the back and say well done. And then we start over again. ( that was my reasoning behind posting my promise shortly after midnight everyday for months.)
I will quit with diesel everyday because I've been there since his day 1 and know the struggles he has overcome.

What are you guys trying to do, make a guy weepy???

Thanks for being there from day 1 WT, and thanks to anyone who took the time to post some words of encouragement. That's what makes this site great.

I took a look back and some guys are still here kicking ass and others
went back to the can.

Proud to be an ass kicker, with all of you.

Quit on...

[Wt57]

Hey Diesel
When I first joined KTC I read your posts all over the place and quickly came to the conclusion that you were one quit dude! I don't know why, but tonight I read your whole 41 page intro and I am exhausted. To follow your path has totally de-funked me tonight! What a great journey . You are nurturing and protecting one beautiful garden! Thanks for keeping up on it like you did. You would be one of my biggest quit leaders even if you didn't worship at the alter of the Holy Canadian Triumvirate!

Dude...if you took the time to read all 41 pages of my fucked up intro, you must have either been funking like a funked out funker, or bored out your mind.

My journey has been pretty jacked up. If it helped you in any way, then I'm happy for that.

But remember, "the point of a journey, is not to arrive".

Quit on...

I need to save the world

fuck dip i quit

I still remember that day of meltdown and knew I wasn't alone. I always know if I start losing my mind diesel will understand and listen before telling me "fuck you", and "get your head out of your ass".
We quit, we deal with life's challenges, we tell our cravings to fuck off, we set down and cry if we need to but at the end of the day we pat ourselves and our brothers and sisters on the back and say well done. And then we start over again. ( that was my reasoning behind posting my promise shortly after midnight everyday for months.)
I will quit with diesel everyday because I've been there since his day 1 and know the struggles he has overcome.

[duathman]

Hey Diesel
When I first joined KTC I read your posts all over the place and quickly came to the conclusion that you were one quit dude! I don't know why, but tonight I read your whole 41 page intro and I am exhausted. To follow your path has totally de-funked me tonight! What a great journey . You are nurturing and protecting one beautiful garden! Thanks for keeping up on it like you did. You would be one of my biggest quit leaders even if you didn't worship at the alter of the Holy Canadian Triumvirate!

Dude...if you took the time to read all 41 pages of my fucked up intro, you must have either been funking like a funked out funker, or bored out your mind.

My journey has been pretty jacked up. If it helped you in any way, then I'm happy for that.

But remember, "the point of a journey, is not to arrive".

Quit on...

I need to save the world

fuck dip i quit

[Diesel2112]

Hey Diesel
When I first joined KTC I read your posts all over the place and quickly came to the conclusion that you were one quit dude! I don't know why, but tonight I read your whole 41 page intro and I am exhausted. To follow your path has totally de-funked me tonight! What a great journey . You are nurturing and protecting one beautiful garden! Thanks for keeping up on it like you did. You would be one of my biggest quit leaders even if you didn't worship at the alter of the Holy Canadian Triumvirate!

Dude...if you took the time to read all 41 pages of my fucked up intro, you must have either been funking like a funked out funker, or bored out your mind.

My journey has been pretty jacked up. If it helped you in any way, then I'm happy for that.

But remember, "the point of a journey, is not to arrive".

Quit on...

[rdad]

Hey Diesel
When I first joined KTC I read your posts all over the place and quickly came to the conclusion that you were one quit dude! I don't know why, but tonight I read your whole 41 page intro and I am exhausted. To follow your path has totally de-funked me tonight! What a great journey . You are nurturing and protecting one beautiful garden! Thanks for keeping up on it like you did. You would be one of my biggest quit leaders even if you didn't worship at the alter of the Holy Canadian Triumvirate!

[B-loMatt]

I gotta get this off my chest.  My wife and everyone else I've talked to about it, including my parents, my shrink and councelor (yes I put in an emergency call to both last night) laughed about it and said I did nothing wrong, but the guilt of this stupid action is tearing me up, so here goes...

First off, I work with my mom and Dad in the company business out of their home.  Since the day I quit I have tried unsuccessfully to get my mom to quit smoking.  She's smoked for 46 and simply tells me "Craig I DON'T WANT TO QUIT.  NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!!!". I keep bugging her on it not but to no avail.

Yesterday, late afternoon I was finishing up some work on my moms computer at work.  I saw what looked like a fake white cigarette sitting on my moms desk.

You see, throughout my youth my mom, would half ass attempt to quit or cut down anyway, by buying this paper cigarette that I guess was supposed to simulate filling the oral void of not smoking and having a cig hang out of your mouth???  When we were kids every so often my mom would bust this thing out (when she was feeling guilty I guess) and me and my brothers would ask, "why are you having a candy cigarette?". She would tell us to "SHUT UP!!!".

So when I saw this cheesy thing on her
desk where I was working I thought "oh boy, looks like moms feeling guilty again".

A minute later my Dad was walking down the hall thinking my Mom was in the office and I guess he had a question for her and said  "Hey Nance" (my moms name is Nancy).

Like a dope trying to be funny I put the fake cig in my mouth, swung around in my chair and said "Yes Howard" (my Dads name is Howard).  He laugghed but as I said those words a small plume of vapor came out of my mouth.  Confused I asked my Dad, "what the fuck was that?".  He laughed and said, "it's your moms new toy, an electronic cigarette".

HOLY FUCK!!!!

I immediately ran to the bathroom and started to suck on a bar of soap and flush my mouth out.  I  put nicotine vapor in my mouth!!!  I had an immediate anxiety attack and stated to cry.  My parents were baffled.  My mom even said "Jesus Christ Craig, grow up!!!"

I called my wife in tears and she was and still is baffled as well as to why I was and still am so upset.  I am physically shaking ask I type this right now. 

I have d bag buddies who use those stupid e cigs but they didn't look like my moms cheesy ass thing.  Theirs are kind of stream lined looking and longer with some kind of oil thing.

I swear to all that is holy that I did not know this white fake cigarette was an e cig.  I thought it was her dumb ass fake cig again.

I also did not "puff" or take drag of this thing, it was literally in my mouth for 15 seconds.  I simply put it in my mouth trying to be funny and I the process must have pulled a little bit of the vapor out.  heck I've never even smoked before so I don't even know how to inhale a cigarette.  I got no buzz or nicotine rush from this thing.  Like I said once I saw that vapor and my Dad told me what it was I freaked the fuck out and sucked on a bar of soap.

Is this a cave?  God I hope not. 

I wasn't jonsing for some chew, I wasn't stressing out over something, I didn't say "fuck it" and ignore all that I have learned here, or not use all the tools at my disposal.  Hell I dont even think I inhaled the son of a bitch, and really the only thing I was trying to do was make my old man laugh.  Had I known that was an e cig, I never would have touched it.

I've been on the brink of a cave before and pulled myself out of it by coming here. I remember one time very vividly where I was parked at a 7-11 and I texted Wedgie and told him I was gonna buy a can because everyone around me was enjoying nicotine and I was gonna too.  He talked me out of it, thank God.  Their have been other times I've been on the brink, and came here and read and came to my senses. 

I know what to do when a true crave comes and "cave" enters the brain.  To be honest that has not happened to me since about day 150, and it didn't happen to me yesterday afternoon either.  I was simply trying to be funny.

My wife says I'm a fool for sharing what happened yesterday, but I can't help it.  I've been honest about every ounce of my quit since my first day here and I'm just doing the same now.

I literally was up all night debating what to say, if anything.  I decided on the long version of the truth.

Holy shit am I shaking like a leaf, but I HAD to get this off my chest.  Thanks for listening.

Craig

Not a cave. The fact that you chomped on a bar of soap and came on here spilling your guts, in a message where a reader can feel your emotion and fear, tells the whole story. Not a cave.

You have my complete respect today. Thanks for sharing.

Tell you mom to throw out the d bag e cig. Enjoy your weekend.

Michael

Not a cave. But still a horrible experience for you. Hold your fucking head up. We trust you and respect the shit out of your ass bro. I quit with you.

What Erussell said x2.........Your a Bad Ass Quitter Bro!!!!

Proud as Hell to be Quit with You today my friend.Quit On!!!

going to follow suit here, with a vote for no cave, and a brother here that will stand right beside you.

I would not blame you for blowing a stack today, not at your mom but at the manufacturers of all of this new fangled crap that is coming out that looks like fakes or toys, but in fact are just another delivery system for a poison. It is starting to really piss me off what these companies are doing.

Keep your head up, and let me know if there is anything I can do.

You fucking caved?

Sarcasm

Come on Diesel, take a few deep breaths and get out there telling some weak assed pussy caver to FUCK OFF.. Your reaction is the answer to your question. Just consider it second hand smoke if the soap didn't do the job. Fuck! Soap, really? 'crackup'

No doubt. Most mornings when I come to work I walk through a cloud of smoke to get to my desk. Probably does more damage than what I did yesterday.

I still have soap taste in my mouth. I didn't know what to do. I wanted strangle my Mom but also wanted to fly backwards around the earth like Superman and reverse time so I coukd realize the cheesy looking thing was an e cig.

Time to move forward.

Thanks.

The bitch will stop at nothing. Even an accident can get you hooked again. Be careful Deisel.

Crazy timing on that post. I had just finished up a phone call with a Day 2 newbie and I suggested that he check out your thread. You are an outstanding quitter and a major contributor to this brotherhood. This changes nothing. Not a cave!!! But holy shit bro there is nothing that could be any closer. Be careful Deisel.

Thanks man. You're right.

Even though I was simply trying to make my old man laugh. I know the power of nic and the "just one" .

That's why even though I had no intention to do what I did, it scared the shit out of me...as it should.

It scares me too man. I am talking to my wife about it right now. Kind of shook me up to read the post.

The door was cracked open. The door that you held closed so tightly for over 400 days. That fucker cracked open, albeit a cunt hair. Accident or no accident, you give that bitch an inch and .......... you know. Be vigilant friend. Kick that fugger shut, chain it, bolt it, weld it and stand guard. I quit with you, hit me up if you need anything. You've got the digits.

Ryan

Thanks man.

I looked up the definition of the word cave.

Cave
Pronunciation: \ˈkâv\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): caved; cav·ing
Etymology: probably alteration of calve
Date: 1513
intransitive verb
1 : to fall in or down especially from being undermined —usually used with in 2 : to cease to resist.

You did not cave... Or Cease to resist, brother. Anyone that jams soap down their throat is still in the fight. I appreciate your honesty and I was sitting here imagining you running to the sink wearing your Desmond Howard jersey and all I could think was... Typical Michigan man! Quit on!

Embarassing. I once had an Anthony Carter jersey, but that's it.

What is a cave? We have heard the term used in here since day 1. Prior to joining KTC, I had always thought of a cave as a tunnel in a mountainÂ…but no longer. But what is it? Other than a dictionary definition, I think a cave is the intentional ingestion of nicotine via one of the following three socially accepted nicotine delivery systems: (1) the subcutaneous absorption of the drug through patches placed on the epidermis; (2) oral absorption of the drug through ground up or whole tobacco leaves sited in ones mouth; and/or (3) the ingestion of the drug through smoke vapor inhaled into the mouth or lungs. I am sure there are other means available, but these three seem to be the most common methodologies. The operative language in all of this nonsense is intentional, ie, was DieselÂ’s use of the electronic cigarette an intentional means to use nicotine? Did he possess the requisite mental intent at that time to ingest nicotine into his body? Clearly the answer is NO. I have also thought about having gone into some old, nasty, skank infested bars when I ride my scooter and having ingested 2nd hand smokeÂ…is that a cave? Again, without the intent to ingest nicotine negates a cave. Just my opinion and some food for thought today. Enjoy your Sunday afternoon w/o worry Diesel.

Am I caving when I have to go in my garage after my wife slurps a heater? Is my mangina yeasty? Do I have girl parts???

Sorry Diesel, but I just had an epiphany and now believe you when you say you are a big pussy. It took me 200+ days to get past the FACT that you are a BAD ASS quitter, and that you are a fellow Rush fan, but I have now confirmed to myself that you are a drama queen!

Seriously your e-cig moment would have freaked me out too, but you should have no worries. You got this.

[wmcatty]

I gotta get this off my chest.  My wife and everyone else I've talked to about it, including my parents, my shrink and councelor (yes I put in an emergency call to both last night) laughed about it and said I did nothing wrong, but the guilt of this stupid action is tearing me up, so here goes...

First off, I work with my mom and Dad in the company business out of their home.  Since the day I quit I have tried unsuccessfully to get my mom to quit smoking.  She's smoked for 46 and simply tells me "Craig I DON'T WANT TO QUIT.  NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!!!". I keep bugging her on it not but to no avail.

Yesterday, late afternoon I was finishing up some work on my moms computer at work.  I saw what looked like a fake white cigarette sitting on my moms desk.

You see, throughout my youth my mom, would half ass attempt to quit or cut down anyway, by buying this paper cigarette that I guess was supposed to simulate filling the oral void of not smoking and having a cig hang out of your mouth???  When we were kids every so often my mom would bust this thing out (when she was feeling guilty I guess) and me and my brothers would ask, "why are you having a candy cigarette?". She would tell us to "SHUT UP!!!".

So when I saw this cheesy thing on her
desk where I was working I thought "oh boy, looks like moms feeling guilty again".

A minute later my Dad was walking down the hall thinking my Mom was in the office and I guess he had a question for her and said  "Hey Nance" (my moms name is Nancy).

Like a dope trying to be funny I put the fake cig in my mouth, swung around in my chair and said "Yes Howard" (my Dads name is Howard).  He laugghed but as I said those words a small plume of vapor came out of my mouth.  Confused I asked my Dad, "what the fuck was that?".  He laughed and said, "it's your moms new toy, an electronic cigarette".

HOLY FUCK!!!!

I immediately ran to the bathroom and started to suck on a bar of soap and flush my mouth out.  I  put nicotine vapor in my mouth!!!  I had an immediate anxiety attack and stated to cry.  My parents were baffled.  My mom even said "Jesus Christ Craig, grow up!!!"

I called my wife in tears and she was and still is baffled as well as to why I was and still am so upset.  I am physically shaking ask I type this right now. 

I have d bag buddies who use those stupid e cigs but they didn't look like my moms cheesy ass thing.  Theirs are kind of stream lined looking and longer with some kind of oil thing.

I swear to all that is holy that I did not know this white fake cigarette was an e cig.  I thought it was her dumb ass fake cig again.

I also did not "puff" or take drag of this thing, it was literally in my mouth for 15 seconds.  I simply put it in my mouth trying to be funny and I the process must have pulled a little bit of the vapor out.  heck I've never even smoked before so I don't even know how to inhale a cigarette.  I got no buzz or nicotine rush from this thing.  Like I said once I saw that vapor and my Dad told me what it was I freaked the fuck out and sucked on a bar of soap.

Is this a cave?  God I hope not. 

I wasn't jonsing for some chew, I wasn't stressing out over something, I didn't say "fuck it" and ignore all that I have learned here, or not use all the tools at my disposal.  Hell I dont even think I inhaled the son of a bitch, and really the only thing I was trying to do was make my old man laugh.  Had I known that was an e cig, I never would have touched it.

I've been on the brink of a cave before and pulled myself out of it by coming here. I remember one time very vividly where I was parked at a 7-11 and I texted Wedgie and told him I was gonna buy a can because everyone around me was enjoying nicotine and I was gonna too.  He talked me out of it, thank God.  Their have been other times I've been on the brink, and came here and read and came to my senses. 

I know what to do when a true crave comes and "cave" enters the brain.  To be honest that has not happened to me since about day 150, and it didn't happen to me yesterday afternoon either.  I was simply trying to be funny.

My wife says I'm a fool for sharing what happened yesterday, but I can't help it.  I've been honest about every ounce of my quit since my first day here and I'm just doing the same now.

I literally was up all night debating what to say, if anything.  I decided on the long version of the truth.

Holy shit am I shaking like a leaf, but I HAD to get this off my chest.  Thanks for listening.

Craig

Not a cave. The fact that you chomped on a bar of soap and came on here spilling your guts, in a message where a reader can feel your emotion and fear, tells the whole story. Not a cave.

You have my complete respect today. Thanks for sharing.

Tell you mom to throw out the d bag e cig. Enjoy your weekend.

Michael

Not a cave. But still a horrible experience for you. Hold your fucking head up. We trust you and respect the shit out of your ass bro. I quit with you.

What Erussell said x2.........Your a Bad Ass Quitter Bro!!!!

Proud as Hell to be Quit with You today my friend.Quit On!!!

going to follow suit here, with a vote for no cave, and a brother here that will stand right beside you.

I would not blame you for blowing a stack today, not at your mom but at the manufacturers of all of this new fangled crap that is coming out that looks like fakes or toys, but in fact are just another delivery system for a poison. It is starting to really piss me off what these companies are doing.

Keep your head up, and let me know if there is anything I can do.

You fucking caved?

Sarcasm

Come on Diesel, take a few deep breaths and get out there telling some weak assed pussy caver to FUCK OFF.. Your reaction is the answer to your question. Just consider it second hand smoke if the soap didn't do the job. Fuck! Soap, really? 'crackup'

No doubt. Most mornings when I come to work I walk through a cloud of smoke to get to my desk. Probably does more damage than what I did yesterday.

I still have soap taste in my mouth. I didn't know what to do. I wanted strangle my Mom but also wanted to fly backwards around the earth like Superman and reverse time so I coukd realize the cheesy looking thing was an e cig.

Time to move forward.

Thanks.

The bitch will stop at nothing. Even an accident can get you hooked again. Be careful Deisel.

Crazy timing on that post. I had just finished up a phone call with a Day 2 newbie and I suggested that he check out your thread. You are an outstanding quitter and a major contributor to this brotherhood. This changes nothing. Not a cave!!! But holy shit bro there is nothing that could be any closer. Be careful Deisel.

Thanks man. You're right.

Even though I was simply trying to make my old man laugh. I know the power of nic and the "just one" .

That's why even though I had no intention to do what I did, it scared the shit out of me...as it should.

It scares me too man. I am talking to my wife about it right now. Kind of shook me up to read the post.

The door was cracked open. The door that you held closed so tightly for over 400 days. That fucker cracked open, albeit a cunt hair. Accident or no accident, you give that bitch an inch and .......... you know. Be vigilant friend. Kick that fugger shut, chain it, bolt it, weld it and stand guard. I quit with you, hit me up if you need anything. You've got the digits.

Ryan

Thanks man.

I looked up the definition of the word cave.

Cave
Pronunciation: \ˈkâv\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): caved; cav·ing
Etymology: probably alteration of calve
Date: 1513
intransitive verb
1 : to fall in or down especially from being undermined —usually used with in 2 : to cease to resist.

You did not cave... Or Cease to resist, brother. Anyone that jams soap down their throat is still in the fight. I appreciate your honesty and I was sitting here imagining you running to the sink wearing your Desmond Howard jersey and all I could think was... Typical Michigan man! Quit on!

Embarassing. I once had an Anthony Carter jersey, but that's it.

What is a cave? We have heard the term used in here since day 1. Prior to joining KTC, I had always thought of a cave as a tunnel in a mountainÂ…but no longer. But what is it? Other than a dictionary definition, I think a cave is the intentional ingestion of nicotine via one of the following three socially accepted nicotine delivery systems: (1) the subcutaneous absorption of the drug through patches placed on the epidermis; (2) oral absorption of the drug through ground up or whole tobacco leaves sited in ones mouth; and/or (3) the ingestion of the drug through smoke vapor inhaled into the mouth or lungs. I am sure there are other means available, but these three seem to be the most common methodologies. The operative language in all of this nonsense is intentional, ie, was DieselÂ’s use of the electronic cigarette an intentional means to use nicotine? Did he possess the requisite mental intent at that time to ingest nicotine into his body? Clearly the answer is NO. I have also thought about having gone into some old, nasty, skank infested bars when I ride my scooter and having ingested 2nd hand smokeÂ…is that a cave? Again, without the intent to ingest nicotine negates a cave. Just my opinion and some food for thought today. Enjoy your Sunday afternoon w/o worry Diesel.

[Diesel2112]

I gotta get this off my chest.  My wife and everyone else I've talked to about it, including my parents, my shrink and councelor (yes I put in an emergency call to both last night) laughed about it and said I did nothing wrong, but the guilt of this stupid action is tearing me up, so here goes...

First off, I work with my mom and Dad in the company business out of their home.  Since the day I quit I have tried unsuccessfully to get my mom to quit smoking.  She's smoked for 46 and simply tells me "Craig I DON'T WANT TO QUIT.  NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!!!". I keep bugging her on it not but to no avail.

Yesterday, late afternoon I was finishing up some work on my moms computer at work.  I saw what looked like a fake white cigarette sitting on my moms desk.

You see, throughout my youth my mom, would half ass attempt to quit or cut down anyway, by buying this paper cigarette that I guess was supposed to simulate filling the oral void of not smoking and having a cig hang out of your mouth???  When we were kids every so often my mom would bust this thing out (when she was feeling guilty I guess) and me and my brothers would ask, "why are you having a candy cigarette?". She would tell us to "SHUT UP!!!".

So when I saw this cheesy thing on her
desk where I was working I thought "oh boy, looks like moms feeling guilty again".

A minute later my Dad was walking down the hall thinking my Mom was in the office and I guess he had a question for her and said  "Hey Nance" (my moms name is Nancy).

Like a dope trying to be funny I put the fake cig in my mouth, swung around in my chair and said "Yes Howard" (my Dads name is Howard).  He laugghed but as I said those words a small plume of vapor came out of my mouth.  Confused I asked my Dad, "what the fuck was that?".  He laughed and said, "it's your moms new toy, an electronic cigarette".

HOLY FUCK!!!!

I immediately ran to the bathroom and started to suck on a bar of soap and flush my mouth out.  I  put nicotine vapor in my mouth!!!  I had an immediate anxiety attack and stated to cry.  My parents were baffled.  My mom even said "Jesus Christ Craig, grow up!!!"

I called my wife in tears and she was and still is baffled as well as to why I was and still am so upset.  I am physically shaking ask I type this right now. 

I have d bag buddies who use those stupid e cigs but they didn't look like my moms cheesy ass thing.  Theirs are kind of stream lined looking and longer with some kind of oil thing.

I swear to all that is holy that I did not know this white fake cigarette was an e cig.  I thought it was her dumb ass fake cig again.

I also did not "puff" or take drag of this thing, it was literally in my mouth for 15 seconds.  I simply put it in my mouth trying to be funny and I the process must have pulled a little bit of the vapor out.  heck I've never even smoked before so I don't even know how to inhale a cigarette.  I got no buzz or nicotine rush from this thing.  Like I said once I saw that vapor and my Dad told me what it was I freaked the fuck out and sucked on a bar of soap.

Is this a cave?  God I hope not. 

I wasn't jonsing for some chew, I wasn't stressing out over something, I didn't say "fuck it" and ignore all that I have learned here, or not use all the tools at my disposal.  Hell I dont even think I inhaled the son of a bitch, and really the only thing I was trying to do was make my old man laugh.  Had I known that was an e cig, I never would have touched it.

I've been on the brink of a cave before and pulled myself out of it by coming here. I remember one time very vividly where I was parked at a 7-11 and I texted Wedgie and told him I was gonna buy a can because everyone around me was enjoying nicotine and I was gonna too.  He talked me out of it, thank God.  Their have been other times I've been on the brink, and came here and read and came to my senses. 

I know what to do when a true crave comes and "cave" enters the brain.  To be honest that has not happened to me since about day 150, and it didn't happen to me yesterday afternoon either.  I was simply trying to be funny.

My wife says I'm a fool for sharing what happened yesterday, but I can't help it.  I've been honest about every ounce of my quit since my first day here and I'm just doing the same now.

I literally was up all night debating what to say, if anything.  I decided on the long version of the truth.

Holy shit am I shaking like a leaf, but I HAD to get this off my chest.  Thanks for listening.

Craig

Not a cave. The fact that you chomped on a bar of soap and came on here spilling your guts, in a message where a reader can feel your emotion and fear, tells the whole story. Not a cave.

You have my complete respect today. Thanks for sharing.

Tell you mom to throw out the d bag e cig. Enjoy your weekend.

Michael

Not a cave. But still a horrible experience for you. Hold your fucking head up. We trust you and respect the shit out of your ass bro. I quit with you.

What Erussell said x2.........Your a Bad Ass Quitter Bro!!!!

Proud as Hell to be Quit with You today my friend.Quit On!!!

going to follow suit here, with a vote for no cave, and a brother here that will stand right beside you.

I would not blame you for blowing a stack today, not at your mom but at the manufacturers of all of this new fangled crap that is coming out that looks like fakes or toys, but in fact are just another delivery system for a poison. It is starting to really piss me off what these companies are doing.

Keep your head up, and let me know if there is anything I can do.

You fucking caved?

Sarcasm

Come on Diesel, take a few deep breaths and get out there telling some weak assed pussy caver to FUCK OFF.. Your reaction is the answer to your question. Just consider it second hand smoke if the soap didn't do the job. Fuck! Soap, really? 'crackup'

No doubt. Most mornings when I come to work I walk through a cloud of smoke to get to my desk. Probably does more damage than what I did yesterday.

I still have soap taste in my mouth. I didn't know what to do. I wanted strangle my Mom but also wanted to fly backwards around the earth like Superman and reverse time so I coukd realize the cheesy looking thing was an e cig.

Time to move forward.

Thanks.

The bitch will stop at nothing. Even an accident can get you hooked again. Be careful Deisel.

Crazy timing on that post. I had just finished up a phone call with a Day 2 newbie and I suggested that he check out your thread. You are an outstanding quitter and a major contributor to this brotherhood. This changes nothing. Not a cave!!! But holy shit bro there is nothing that could be any closer. Be careful Deisel.

Thanks man. You're right.

Even though I was simply trying to make my old man laugh. I know the power of nic and the "just one" .

That's why even though I had no intention to do what I did, it scared the shit out of me...as it should.

It scares me too man. I am talking to my wife about it right now. Kind of shook me up to read the post.

The door was cracked open. The door that you held closed so tightly for over 400 days. That fucker cracked open, albeit a cunt hair. Accident or no accident, you give that bitch an inch and .......... you know. Be vigilant friend. Kick that fugger shut, chain it, bolt it, weld it and stand guard. I quit with you, hit me up if you need anything. You've got the digits.

Ryan

Thanks man.

I looked up the definition of the word cave.

Cave
Pronunciation: \ˈkāv\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): caved; cav·ing
Etymology: probably alteration of calve
Date: 1513
intransitive verb
1 : to fall in or down especially from being undermined —usually used with in 2 : to cease to resist.

You did not cave... Or Cease to resist, brother. Anyone that jams soap down their throat is still in the fight. I appreciate your honesty and I was sitting here imagining you running to the sink wearing your Desmond Howard jersey and all I could think was... Typical Michigan man! Quit on!

Embarassing. I once had an Anthony Carter jersey, but that's it.

[Derk40]

I gotta get this off my chest.  My wife and everyone else I've talked to about it, including my parents, my shrink and councelor (yes I put in an emergency call to both last night) laughed about it and said I did nothing wrong, but the guilt of this stupid action is tearing me up, so here goes...

First off, I work with my mom and Dad in the company business out of their home.  Since the day I quit I have tried unsuccessfully to get my mom to quit smoking.  She's smoked for 46 and simply tells me "Craig I DON'T WANT TO QUIT.  NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!!!". I keep bugging her on it not but to no avail.

Yesterday, late afternoon I was finishing up some work on my moms computer at work.  I saw what looked like a fake white cigarette sitting on my moms desk.

You see, throughout my youth my mom, would half ass attempt to quit or cut down anyway, by buying this paper cigarette that I guess was supposed to simulate filling the oral void of not smoking and having a cig hang out of your mouth???  When we were kids every so often my mom would bust this thing out (when she was feeling guilty I guess) and me and my brothers would ask, "why are you having a candy cigarette?". She would tell us to "SHUT UP!!!".

So when I saw this cheesy thing on her
desk where I was working I thought "oh boy, looks like moms feeling guilty again".

A minute later my Dad was walking down the hall thinking my Mom was in the office and I guess he had a question for her and said  "Hey Nance" (my moms name is Nancy).

Like a dope trying to be funny I put the fake cig in my mouth, swung around in my chair and said "Yes Howard" (my Dads name is Howard).  He laugghed but as I said those words a small plume of vapor came out of my mouth.  Confused I asked my Dad, "what the fuck was that?".  He laughed and said, "it's your moms new toy, an electronic cigarette".

HOLY FUCK!!!!

I immediately ran to the bathroom and started to suck on a bar of soap and flush my mouth out.  I  put nicotine vapor in my mouth!!!  I had an immediate anxiety attack and stated to cry.  My parents were baffled.  My mom even said "Jesus Christ Craig, grow up!!!"

I called my wife in tears and she was and still is baffled as well as to why I was and still am so upset.  I am physically shaking ask I type this right now. 

I have d bag buddies who use those stupid e cigs but they didn't look like my moms cheesy ass thing.  Theirs are kind of stream lined looking and longer with some kind of oil thing.

I swear to all that is holy that I did not know this white fake cigarette was an e cig.  I thought it was her dumb ass fake cig again.

I also did not "puff" or take drag of this thing, it was literally in my mouth for 15 seconds.  I simply put it in my mouth trying to be funny and I the process must have pulled a little bit of the vapor out.  heck I've never even smoked before so I don't even know how to inhale a cigarette.  I got no buzz or nicotine rush from this thing.  Like I said once I saw that vapor and my Dad told me what it was I freaked the fuck out and sucked on a bar of soap.

Is this a cave?  God I hope not. 

I wasn't jonsing for some chew, I wasn't stressing out over something, I didn't say "fuck it" and ignore all that I have learned here, or not use all the tools at my disposal.  Hell I dont even think I inhaled the son of a bitch, and really the only thing I was trying to do was make my old man laugh.  Had I known that was an e cig, I never would have touched it.

I've been on the brink of a cave before and pulled myself out of it by coming here. I remember one time very vividly where I was parked at a 7-11 and I texted Wedgie and told him I was gonna buy a can because everyone around me was enjoying nicotine and I was gonna too.  He talked me out of it, thank God.  Their have been other times I've been on the brink, and came here and read and came to my senses. 

I know what to do when a true crave comes and "cave" enters the brain.  To be honest that has not happened to me since about day 150, and it didn't happen to me yesterday afternoon either.  I was simply trying to be funny.

My wife says I'm a fool for sharing what happened yesterday, but I can't help it.  I've been honest about every ounce of my quit since my first day here and I'm just doing the same now.

I literally was up all night debating what to say, if anything.  I decided on the long version of the truth.

Holy shit am I shaking like a leaf, but I HAD to get this off my chest.  Thanks for listening.

Craig

Not a cave. The fact that you chomped on a bar of soap and came on here spilling your guts, in a message where a reader can feel your emotion and fear, tells the whole story. Not a cave.

You have my complete respect today. Thanks for sharing.

Tell you mom to throw out the d bag e cig. Enjoy your weekend.

Michael

Not a cave. But still a horrible experience for you. Hold your fucking head up. We trust you and respect the shit out of your ass bro. I quit with you.

What Erussell said x2.........Your a Bad Ass Quitter Bro!!!!

Proud as Hell to be Quit with You today my friend.Quit On!!!

going to follow suit here, with a vote for no cave, and a brother here that will stand right beside you.

I would not blame you for blowing a stack today, not at your mom but at the manufacturers of all of this new fangled crap that is coming out that looks like fakes or toys, but in fact are just another delivery system for a poison. It is starting to really piss me off what these companies are doing.

Keep your head up, and let me know if there is anything I can do.

You fucking caved?

Sarcasm

Come on Diesel, take a few deep breaths and get out there telling some weak assed pussy caver to FUCK OFF.. Your reaction is the answer to your question. Just consider it second hand smoke if the soap didn't do the job. Fuck! Soap, really? 'crackup'

No doubt. Most mornings when I come to work I walk through a cloud of smoke to get to my desk. Probably does more damage than what I did yesterday.

I still have soap taste in my mouth. I didn't know what to do. I wanted strangle my Mom but also wanted to fly backwards around the earth like Superman and reverse time so I coukd realize the cheesy looking thing was an e cig.

Time to move forward.

Thanks.

The bitch will stop at nothing. Even an accident can get you hooked again. Be careful Deisel.

Crazy timing on that post. I had just finished up a phone call with a Day 2 newbie and I suggested that he check out your thread. You are an outstanding quitter and a major contributor to this brotherhood. This changes nothing. Not a cave!!! But holy shit bro there is nothing that could be any closer. Be careful Deisel.

Thanks man. You're right.

Even though I was simply trying to make my old man laugh. I know the power of nic and the "just one" .

That's why even though I had no intention to do what I did, it scared the shit out of me...as it should.

It scares me too man. I am talking to my wife about it right now. Kind of shook me up to read the post.

The door was cracked open. The door that you held closed so tightly for over 400 days. That fucker cracked open, albeit a cunt hair. Accident or no accident, you give that bitch an inch and .......... you know. Be vigilant friend. Kick that fugger shut, chain it, bolt it, weld it and stand guard. I quit with you, hit me up if you need anything. You've got the digits.

Ryan

Thanks man.

I looked up the definition of the word cave.

Cave
Pronunciation: \ˈkāv\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): caved; cav·ing
Etymology: probably alteration of calve
Date: 1513
intransitive verb
1 : to fall in or down especially from being undermined —usually used with in 2 : to cease to resist.

You did not cave... Or Cease to resist, brother. Anyone that jams soap down their throat is still in the fight. I appreciate your honesty and I was sitting here imagining you running to the sink wearing your Desmond Howard jersey and all I could think was... Typical Michigan man! Quit on!

[Diesel2112]

I gotta get this off my chest.  My wife and everyone else I've talked to about it, including my parents, my shrink and councelor (yes I put in an emergency call to both last night) laughed about it and said I did nothing wrong, but the guilt of this stupid action is tearing me up, so here goes...

First off, I work with my mom and Dad in the company business out of their home.  Since the day I quit I have tried unsuccessfully to get my mom to quit smoking.  She's smoked for 46 and simply tells me "Craig I DON'T WANT TO QUIT.  NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!!!". I keep bugging her on it not but to no avail.

Yesterday, late afternoon I was finishing up some work on my moms computer at work.  I saw what looked like a fake white cigarette sitting on my moms desk.

You see, throughout my youth my mom, would half ass attempt to quit or cut down anyway, by buying this paper cigarette that I guess was supposed to simulate filling the oral void of not smoking and having a cig hang out of your mouth???  When we were kids every so often my mom would bust this thing out (when she was feeling guilty I guess) and me and my brothers would ask, "why are you having a candy cigarette?". She would tell us to "SHUT UP!!!".

So when I saw this cheesy thing on her
desk where I was working I thought "oh boy, looks like moms feeling guilty again".

A minute later my Dad was walking down the hall thinking my Mom was in the office and I guess he had a question for her and said  "Hey Nance" (my moms name is Nancy).

Like a dope trying to be funny I put the fake cig in my mouth, swung around in my chair and said "Yes Howard" (my Dads name is Howard).  He laugghed but as I said those words a small plume of vapor came out of my mouth.  Confused I asked my Dad, "what the fuck was that?".  He laughed and said, "it's your moms new toy, an electronic cigarette".

HOLY FUCK!!!!

I immediately ran to the bathroom and started to suck on a bar of soap and flush my mouth out.  I  put nicotine vapor in my mouth!!!  I had an immediate anxiety attack and stated to cry.  My parents were baffled.  My mom even said "Jesus Christ Craig, grow up!!!"

I called my wife in tears and she was and still is baffled as well as to why I was and still am so upset.  I am physically shaking ask I type this right now. 

I have d bag buddies who use those stupid e cigs but they didn't look like my moms cheesy ass thing.  Theirs are kind of stream lined looking and longer with some kind of oil thing.

I swear to all that is holy that I did not know this white fake cigarette was an e cig.  I thought it was her dumb ass fake cig again.

I also did not "puff" or take drag of this thing, it was literally in my mouth for 15 seconds.  I simply put it in my mouth trying to be funny and I the process must have pulled a little bit of the vapor out.  heck I've never even smoked before so I don't even know how to inhale a cigarette.  I got no buzz or nicotine rush from this thing.  Like I said once I saw that vapor and my Dad told me what it was I freaked the fuck out and sucked on a bar of soap.

Is this a cave?  God I hope not. 

I wasn't jonsing for some chew, I wasn't stressing out over something, I didn't say "fuck it" and ignore all that I have learned here, or not use all the tools at my disposal.  Hell I dont even think I inhaled the son of a bitch, and really the only thing I was trying to do was make my old man laugh.  Had I known that was an e cig, I never would have touched it.

I've been on the brink of a cave before and pulled myself out of it by coming here. I remember one time very vividly where I was parked at a 7-11 and I texted Wedgie and told him I was gonna buy a can because everyone around me was enjoying nicotine and I was gonna too.  He talked me out of it, thank God.  Their have been other times I've been on the brink, and came here and read and came to my senses. 

I know what to do when a true crave comes and "cave" enters the brain.  To be honest that has not happened to me since about day 150, and it didn't happen to me yesterday afternoon either.  I was simply trying to be funny.

My wife says I'm a fool for sharing what happened yesterday, but I can't help it.  I've been honest about every ounce of my quit since my first day here and I'm just doing the same now.

I literally was up all night debating what to say, if anything.  I decided on the long version of the truth.

Holy shit am I shaking like a leaf, but I HAD to get this off my chest.  Thanks for listening.

Craig

Not a cave. The fact that you chomped on a bar of soap and came on here spilling your guts, in a message where a reader can feel your emotion and fear, tells the whole story. Not a cave.

You have my complete respect today. Thanks for sharing.

Tell you mom to throw out the d bag e cig. Enjoy your weekend.

Michael

Not a cave. But still a horrible experience for you. Hold your fucking head up. We trust you and respect the shit out of your ass bro. I quit with you.

What Erussell said x2.........Your a Bad Ass Quitter Bro!!!!

Proud as Hell to be Quit with You today my friend.Quit On!!!

going to follow suit here, with a vote for no cave, and a brother here that will stand right beside you.

I would not blame you for blowing a stack today, not at your mom but at the manufacturers of all of this new fangled crap that is coming out that looks like fakes or toys, but in fact are just another delivery system for a poison. It is starting to really piss me off what these companies are doing.

Keep your head up, and let me know if there is anything I can do.

You fucking caved?

Sarcasm

Come on Diesel, take a few deep breaths and get out there telling some weak assed pussy caver to FUCK OFF.. Your reaction is the answer to your question. Just consider it second hand smoke if the soap didn't do the job. Fuck! Soap, really? 'crackup'

No doubt. Most mornings when I come to work I walk through a cloud of smoke to get to my desk. Probably does more damage than what I did yesterday.

I still have soap taste in my mouth. I didn't know what to do. I wanted strangle my Mom but also wanted to fly backwards around the earth like Superman and reverse time so I coukd realize the cheesy looking thing was an e cig.

Time to move forward.

Thanks.

The bitch will stop at nothing. Even an accident can get you hooked again. Be careful Deisel.

Crazy timing on that post. I had just finished up a phone call with a Day 2 newbie and I suggested that he check out your thread. You are an outstanding quitter and a major contributor to this brotherhood. This changes nothing. Not a cave!!! But holy shit bro there is nothing that could be any closer. Be careful Deisel.

Thanks man. You're right.

Even though I was simply trying to make my old man laugh. I know the power of nic and the "just one" .

That's why even though I had no intention to do what I did, it scared the shit out of me...as it should.

It scares me too man. I am talking to my wife about it right now. Kind of shook me up to read the post.

The door was cracked open. The door that you held closed so tightly for over 400 days. That fucker cracked open, albeit a cunt hair. Accident or no accident, you give that bitch an inch and .......... you know. Be vigilant friend. Kick that fugger shut, chain it, bolt it, weld it and stand guard. I quit with you, hit me up if you need anything. You've got the digits.

Ryan

Thanks man.