A Higher Power

[John3:16]

loot:

Some of this is open to interpretation...

One thing is for sure that you'll give an account of your life before God and he'll want to discuss what you did for him with the talents he gave you...not $$$ or success...only, how many people did you help save?

But those destined for hell will go immediately...they are forever separated from God...as they rejected God, and he gave them what they wanted - a place to dwell where God was absent...

Those destined for heaven will go to where heaven is today and await the 2nd coming of christ...

As ridiculus as it may sound, the final heaven after Christ returns and new Jerusalem is here on Earth...and at that point God will return to dwell on earth as he did in the days of Adam and Eve...

Sounds pretty far fetched, but I can accept that God's power is not limited to what our little human brains can believe...

I agree 100%....

you nailed it

and LOOTs got no problem with this...just interested in your opinions...I just happen to fall more in line with what Syn said in the religion thread.

Yea,

I'll move over there...I really did not know it existed before I posted this thread...

But, if nothing else some good spirited conversation took place here...

And I did finish my introduction...I'm almost done with my HOF speech...and

will get on the Faces/etc. page...

I know I'm never going back to dipping, and I'm ashamed of myself for spending 30 years risking my life, cheating my family, and throwing away my $$$ to a company that could care less if their product killed me.

As for others here, with or without God I hope they can find the stamina to reject this stuff before it ruins their lives for good...

[loot]

loot:

Some of this is open to interpretation...

One thing is for sure that you'll give an account of your life before God and he'll want to discuss what you did for him with the talents he gave you...not $$$ or success...only, how many people did you help save?

But those destined for hell will go immediately...they are forever separated from God...as they rejected God, and he gave them what they wanted - a place to dwell where God was absent...

Those destined for heaven will go to where heaven is today and await the 2nd coming of christ...

As ridiculus as it may sound, the final heaven after Christ returns and new Jerusalem is here on Earth...and at that point God will return to dwell on earth as he did in the days of Adam and Eve...

Sounds pretty far fetched, but I can accept that God's power is not limited to what our little human brains can believe...

I agree 100%....

you nailed it

and LOOTs got no problem with this...just interested in your opinions...I just happen to fall more in line with what Syn said in the religion thread.

[boomhauer]

loot:

Some of this is open to interpretation...

One thing is for sure that you'll give an account of your life before God and he'll want to discuss what you did for him with the talents he gave you...not $$$ or success...only, how many people did you help save?

But those destined for hell will go immediately...they are forever separated from God...as they rejected God, and he gave them what they wanted - a place to dwell where God was absent...

Those destined for heaven will go to where heaven is today and await the 2nd coming of christ...

As ridiculus as it may sound, the final heaven after Christ returns and new Jerusalem is here on Earth...and at that point God will return to dwell on earth as he did in the days of Adam and Eve...

Sounds pretty far fetched, but I can accept that God's power is not limited to what our little human brains can believe...

I agree 100%....

you nailed it

[John3:16]

loot:

Some of this is open to interpretation...

One thing is for sure that you'll give an account of your life before God and he'll want to discuss what you did for him with the talents he gave you...not $$$ or success...only, how many people did you help save?

But those destined for hell will go immediately...they are forever separated from God...as they rejected God, and he gave them what they wanted - a place to dwell where God was absent...

Those destined for heaven will go to where heaven is today and await the 2nd coming of christ...

As ridiculus as it may sound, the final heaven after Christ returns and new Jerusalem is here on Earth...and at that point God will return to dwell on earth as he did in the days of Adam and Eve...

Sounds pretty far fetched, but I can accept that God's power is not limited to what our little human brains can believe...

[loot]

Ok Loot...

Maybe this will help...

http://www.wcg.org/lit/prophecy/perish.htm

ha! that is more confusing that my feeble attempts to explain it...

Next question....when you die...do you immediately appear before St Peter or whoever and immediately go to heaven or hell?

[John3:16]

Ok Loot...

Maybe this will help...

http://www.wcg.org/lit/prophecy/perish.htm

[John3:16]

J316:

let loot make sure he understands your stance.

there is this magical book of life JC write names in...kinda like stellar Santa Clause...only instead of coal...you get your nads lit on fire for a while.  Then...at end times...when Satan is finally overthrown....he and his minion (folks who didn't make the candy cane list) are cast into a lake of fire and die a spiritual death?

that about it?

Yes, the book of life...

Yes...that's right, if a person's name is not there...then they will join
those who have rejected God with Satan...

and spend eternity in hell?

Yes.

It is as FAL says...

Just so you know - I know alot of good people who practice Christian values but have/will not accept God's salvation...

On the other hand, I know people (and I put myself in that category) who have
not practiced these values for most their lives...and honestly probably don't deserve God's grace...

But God makes a blanket deal to all...no 1 sin is any greater than another...and bottom line is no person is good enough or righteous enough no matter how they appear on the outside to make it heaven on their own...

So, only by John3:16 the verse is anyone able to get to heaven...

I don't make the rules, those rules will mean people I care about (family, etc.) will not be in heaven...but who am I to question God's judgement? Read the book of Job and God's response to Job when Job did...

the please explain the "perish" portion of that verse again for us dense ones. Somewhere in Revelations it says that at the end of Satans time, all the people in hell will be cast into the lake of fire...this is the second death...death of the soul...you will be no more.

If J3:16 says perish, and Rev backs it up...you can't burn forever

LOOT is just rying to figure out how long his sentence is going to be.

*Disclaimer* - I'm not a minister...nor am I trying to push my beliefs on anybody on this site. Anyone who doesn't want to discuss this topic, please ignore this post and go on about your business. Thanks

LOOT,

If I may comment....

The second death is spiritual death.....the first is the physical death. We all will experience the first. The second death is the one we have a choice whether we'll experience it or not. Jesus said that the only way to the Father is through Him(Jesus). So what that means is regardless of how many good deeds one does, or what they are, without Jesus, we can't get to the Father. Being denied this, is the second death....and it lasts forever.....and ever...and ever...and ever...times 50 trillion.....and so on.

John 3:16 says "....that so whoever believes in Him, should not perish, but have everlasting life"

That's saying that those who believe in Him, will not perish. But those who don't believe, WILL perish (again referring to second death)

We all deserve the second death, but Jesus took our place and died on the cross so we wouldn't have to experience this second death....but it doesn't mean that everybody gets a pass.....Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

well done...

[boomhauer]

agreed Boom

we'll talk about Catholics praying to Mary later

Sure, maybe we can start a thread in religion on that topic....I have some thoughts on that as well (I'm not Catholic, so I don't pray to Mary)...anyway...we can discuss later.

please do start a thread for that...and soon too...boomer is chopping at the bit....

:D

[free-at-last!]

agreed Boom

we'll talk about Catholics praying to Mary later

Sure, maybe we can start a thread in religion on that topic....I have some thoughts on that as well (I'm not Catholic, so I don't pray to Mary)...anyway...we can discuss later.

please do start a thread for that...and soon too...boomer is chopping at the bit....

[boomhauer]

agreed Boom

we'll talk about Catholics praying to Mary later

Sure, maybe we can start a thread in religion on that topic....I have some thoughts on that as well (I'm not Catholic, so I don't pray to Mary)...anyway...we can discuss later.

[loot]

agreed Boom

we'll talk about Catholics praying to Mary later

[boomhauer]

man...loot must not be speaking english

perish = die

eternity = forver ...opposite of die

J316 say you gunna die or have everlasting life...so how can hell be forever?

and loot is just poking at you guys cause its fun and loot is genuinely interested in how you can believe hell is an eternal thing when the most revered verse (J316) says it's not.

and loot looks to Aquaman as his definitive source on religion...(read with much, much sarcasm)

Perish = Die

Die does not necessarly mean eternity...

Just because someone/something dies, doesn't mean time stops.

In the example we're talking about, death occurs, so that life stops, but time keeps going...for eternity. That's why we need to decide now whether we want to spend that infinite amount of time either spiritually alive(in Heaven) or spiritually dead(in hell).

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/soul.htm

MNS,

I certainly don't claim to be a minister, nor do I have a PhD in religious studies, only a bachelors in political science ;) .

I can't answer for the mosquitos and bacteria and all that mentioned in the article. I believe what the Bible says, and I don't know of a place in there that explains what happens to mice, goats, dogs etc when they die.

I do agree that there is no chemical makeup for the soul, you won't find it on an anatomy chart.

Since I base my beliefs off the Bible, my opinion will differ from anyone who doesn't believe in the Bible.....so it goes back to the age old argument.

I guess we have to agree to disagree

PMNS...you just opened the floodgates...now LOOT thinks this should be moved to the religion thread and if LOOT knew how...it certainly would be

Nah....at least for me, I'm not going to keep harping on it. This argument is as old as anything, and I doubt any of us will change anyone's mind on here anyway. I was just offering my .02, as was MMS, J316 and yourself.

You gentlemen have a good day and thanks for the thought provoking conversation!

[loot]

man...loot must not be speaking english

perish = die

eternity = forver ...opposite of die

J316 say you gunna die or have everlasting life...so how can hell be forever?

and loot is just poking at you guys cause its fun and loot is genuinely interested in how you can believe hell is an eternal thing when the most revered verse (J316) says it's not.

and loot looks to Aquaman as his definitive source on religion...(read with much, much sarcasm)

Perish = Die

Die does not necessarly mean eternity...

Just because someone/something dies, doesn't mean time stops.

In the example we're talking about, death occurs, so that life stops, but time keeps going...for eternity. That's why we need to decide now whether we want to spend that infinite amount of time either spiritually alive(in Heaven) or spiritually dead(in hell).

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/soul.htm

MNS,

I certainly don't claim to be a minister, nor do I have a PhD in religious studies, only a bachelors in political science ;) .

I can't answer for the mosquitos and bacteria and all that mentioned in the article. I believe what the Bible says, and I don't know of a place in there that explains what happens to mice, goats, dogs etc when they die.

I do agree that there is no chemical makeup for the soul, you won't find it on an anatomy chart.

Since I base my beliefs off the Bible, my opinion will differ from anyone who doesn't believe in the Bible.....so it goes back to the age old argument.

I guess we have to agree to disagree

PMNS...you just opened the floodgates...now LOOT thinks this should be moved to the religion thread and if LOOT knew how...it certainly would be

[boomhauer]

man...loot must not be speaking english

perish = die

eternity = forver ...opposite of die

J316 say you gunna die or have everlasting life...so how can hell be forever?

and loot is just poking at you guys cause its fun and loot is genuinely interested in how you can believe hell is an eternal thing when the most revered verse (J316) says it's not.

and loot looks to Aquaman as his definitive source on religion...(read with much, much sarcasm)

Perish = Die

Die does not necessarly mean eternity...

Just because someone/something dies, doesn't mean time stops.

In the example we're talking about, death occurs, so that life stops, but time keeps going...for eternity. That's why we need to decide now whether we want to spend that infinite amount of time either spiritually alive(in Heaven) or spiritually dead(in hell).

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/soul.htm

MNS,

I certainly don't claim to be a minister, nor do I have a PhD in religious studies, only a bachelors in political science ;) .

I can't answer for the mosquitos and bacteria and all that mentioned in the article. I believe what the Bible says, and I don't know of a place in there that explains what happens to mice, goats, dogs etc when they die.

I do agree that there is no chemical makeup for the soul, you won't find it on an anatomy chart.

Since I base my beliefs off the Bible, my opinion will differ from anyone who doesn't believe in the Bible.....so it goes back to the age old argument.

I guess we have to agree to disagree

[mns36]

man...loot must not be speaking english

perish = die

eternity = forver ...opposite of die

J316 say you gunna die or have everlasting life...so how can hell be forever?

and loot is just poking at you guys cause its fun and loot is genuinely interested in how you can believe hell is an eternal thing when the most revered verse (J316) says it's not.

and loot looks to Aquaman as his definitive source on religion...(read with much, much sarcasm)

Perish = Die

Die does not necessarly mean eternity...

Just because someone/something dies, doesn't mean time stops.

In the example we're talking about, death occurs, so that life stops, but time keeps going...for eternity. That's why we need to decide now whether we want to spend that infinite amount of time either spiritually alive(in Heaven) or spiritually dead(in hell).

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/soul.htm