Alright....here I go....

[Remshot]

Rem,

Loot is straight up. I jumped on him pretty hard because I can't read, and I was wrong. When I first quit Loot and chewie were the first guys to welcome me in. It meant a lot because suddenly this quitting wasn't something you had to do by yourself but something that other guys were going through too. It was brotherhood!

Rem, I appreciate what you do here. The site couldn't run like it does without you. I agree with you that this site works because we don't dip. Heck I'm really happy I don't dip. I can think about forever and smile. I'd be bummed if someone in my March group was dipping/smoking/cheating.

I disagree that the site is exclusive for people who don't dip. We're worried someone is gonna feel peer pressure to starting chewing in here??? I thought the purpose was to help get people into a quit group, not run off those who aren't. If you can't come here to quit then what's the point?

Come on Rem, we've all got the same goal!



CCM,

Don't make me look like an a-hole. Stick to your quit. Check out the pics on the home page here. Think about that when you're chewing. Quitting's gonna suck at first, we all went through it, we've all tried something and no one found a way to make it easy. After a couple days it kind of goes away, and this site will make it different than any other quit you've tried. Read, post and most importantly quit. You're ready.

No. Not peer pressure to start dipping.

Newbies and people who are struggling will see some yahoo posting that he is still dipping and how easy his "quit" is and how wonderful life is, and said newbies and strugglers, who are fighting an internal battle all the time - "Go buy some dip. No, don't buy some dip. I need a dip. No, I don't need a dip. I want a dip. No, I don't want and can't have a dip".

Newbies and people who are struggling will read the posts from the yahoo who still has a fatty in his mouth, and there will be some who say "Fuck it. I'm gonna have a dip. One won't hurt. I'll just wean myself like yahoo is doing". Eventhough the newbie/struggler is already on day 10 and all nicotine is out of his system.

Back to square one.

Like I posted earlier. We are here for the greater good and cannot accomodate everyone from every walk of life. We are too extreme and have our limits, for that to happen.

This is all simply my vote. My opinion. There are 6 other admins who can vote differently than I will. No one person steers this ship.

[Gee]

Cane,
Be strong man. You have a plan and you intend to stick to it...fantastic bud. I did too. Fran, and Loot, and a couple other guys tried to get me to quit sooner much like they have with you. It took the journals of Jenny (look them up) to get me off of my plan. I don't know if you are married, ever want to be, have kids or ever want them, but after I read her journals I could not look myself in the mirror again with a dip of snuff. I had a fresh can of Cope sitting by me...knew I was going to quit in a week and was ready for it...but after reading this poor family's suffering I could not look at myself as a man any longer as long as I had Copenhagen in my lip. I dumped the new can out that night. Logged on and told these fools here, and then emailed my best friend who had also quit. I wrote a note to my wife for her to see when she woke up. The next morning I went to every store on my way to work looking for the fake snuff...and couldn't find it. I went apeshit. The pain fucking sucked. Ended up finding that fake shit after work. It helped. I'm on 30 days now. Nothing special but I'm 30 days clean and that feels pretty good right now. Do what you have to do but come back and use this site...these guys can be assholes but they are here for you when you need them. Hang tough Cane

[Eoi]

Rem,

Loot is straight up. I jumped on him pretty hard because I can't read, and I was wrong. When I first quit Loot and chewie were the first guys to welcome me in. It meant a lot because suddenly this quitting wasn't something you had to do by yourself but something that other guys were going through too. It was brotherhood!

Rem, I appreciate what you do here. The site couldn't run like it does without you. I agree with you that this site works because we don't dip. Heck I'm really happy I don't dip. I can think about forever and smile. I'd be bummed if someone in my March group was dipping/smoking/cheating.

I disagree that the site is exclusive for people who don't dip. We're worried someone is gonna feel peer pressure to starting chewing in here??? I thought the purpose was to help get people into a quit group, not run off those who aren't. If you can't come here to quit then what's the point?

Come on Rem, we've all got the same goal!



CCM,

Don't make me look like an a-hole. Stick to your quit. Check out the pics on the home page here. Think about that when you're chewing. Quitting's gonna suck at first, we all went through it, we've all tried something and no one found a way to make it easy. After a couple days it kind of goes away, and this site will make it different than any other quit you've tried. Read, post and most importantly quit. You're ready.

[Remshot]

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

OK...LOOT was called to task for this.

Please understand....I would never, ever, in a million years wish cancer on someone. The point of this sentence was to make CCM think. You see, LOOT thinks oral cancer/lung cancer is a black and white issue. You either have it...or you don't.

There is ONE SINGLE DIP that determines your fate...all I was conveying was that I hoped that ONE wasn't before this 6 week out quit date.

I knew that.

[loot]

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

OK...LOOT was called to task for this.

Please understand....I would never, ever, in a million years wish cancer on someone. The point of this sentence was to make CCM think. You see, LOOT thinks oral cancer/lung cancer is a black and white issue. You either have it...or you don't.

There is ONE SINGLE DIP that determines your fate...all I was conveying was that I hoped that ONE wasn't before this 6 week out quit date.

[Remshot]

11, EOI, and anyone else who disagrees with me,

I posted this in another area. It illustrates a few of my reasons.

One of the foundations of posting at QS was always that you do not post with dip in your mouth. And, I agree with that.

I can see some one posting - Hey, i'm on day 26 with 1/2 of a pinch of cope and 1/2 of a pinch of hooch shit!!!

Then we have Wally WishIwasstilldipping reading his post and thinking, "fuck this shit, one won't hurt."

That goes against everything I believe, that works here.

.

Keep in mind - we are here for the greater good. We are not politicians and we cannot pander to each individual. Why? #1 we don't lie. #2 what you see is what you get. This is our only resource. It is for the greater good. Newbies should not have to read posts from someone who has dip in his mouth.

It will most definitely weaken someone's will and will lead to caving.

[loot]

I agree with 11X4.

Loot you've given me good advice in the past, and I thank you for that. In fact, I thank you and chewie most of all for helping me quit, but what happened right here was F*CKED.

F*ck if a guy is gonna/trying/maybe gonna quit why bust him out of here. Busting someone fine, busting them all the way out of here is pointless.

Joe

Didn't mean to disappoint you.

LOOT has absolutely no problem with weaning...even with dip. LOOT could tolerate it for a little while...but 6 weeks of subjecting young quitters to "hey...in 45 days I'm gonna quit...just you wait and see" is a little excessive.

We have have never tolerated signing roll call (in any form) with tobacco in your mouth. Yet it was going on in here...with quitters joining in. That sends the wrong message in my opinion. But again...LOOT don't make the rules but I will tell you this...

I left my own group for months because one of our members smoked some cigs and continued to post his "smokeless" number. I refused to sign roll call with him and there was a huge stink over it. That is why Syn and I don't get along. Enough history.

Here is my promise. The day that this site allows people to post in quit group roll calls/personal introduction roll calls/wildcard roll calls etc. and it is accepted by the moderators and administrators of this board...that day will be my last. It goes against everything that I believe in and everything that I have worked for for 960 days.

[Franpro]

First off, thanks for all the support from everybody, and also thanks to Loot and Rem for jumping on me. I think it brought up some good points that I hadn't thought of, and maybe will it will lead to some process to deal with others like me.

To put this thread to rest, I will be sending a PM every morning to some members and will not be posting on the site. But hey...can you blame me for trying something...anything to quit and make it stick?

See you all for my first roll call on Ground Hog Day!

You can do it Mark! I would rather see you quit today, but do what you need to do.

[CCM]

First off, thanks for all the support from everybody, and also thanks to Loot and Rem for jumping on me. I think it brought up some good points that I hadn't thought of, and maybe will it will lead to some process to deal with others like me.

To put this thread to rest, I will be sending a PM every morning to some members and will not be posting on the site. But hey...can you blame me for trying something...anything to quit and make it stick?

See you all for my first roll call on Ground Hog Day!

[Eoi]

“Go fuck yourself”…howsabout a little reality check there homo.  LOOT don’t need to read your original post.  LOOT knows that you are dipping while you are posting on this site.  That is taboo dumbass.  Think about it…LOOT would like for you to study over some of the roll calls that are pinned in the quit group section.  Now…ask yourself how many of those people would like to have a dip.  How many would like to pack in a big ol fatty, just like you and tell everyone else “I’ll quit in 6 weeks or so”.  If your intent is to ween, fine…LOOT aint got no problem with that.  But for fucks sake us some common sense and understand that you are waving the source of peoples addiction in their faces just so you can make a promise to yourself, that LOOT says you won’t keep anyway.  Buy a fucking calendar and count down the days to the 23rd…but fuck almighty dude…don’t do it here.  It’s called being considerate….you’ve fuckin got to be kidding LOOT man.

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

Well, I thought the whole point of the site was accountability and that's what I was using it for. But...since you seem to be one of the big wigs around here...I guess I'll just pack my bags and see you guys back here when I meet your criteria.

Thanks again for the site.

LOOT aint a big wig....just a quitter

and loot don't make rules alone...if no one else has a problem with your plan, or you posting with a lipper...the go right ahead...LOOT'll just call bullshit until he sees a Day 1 post from you

Alright, we'll see you later - when you DON'T have any tobacco stuffed in your face. You want to lurk with a fatty in, go ahead. Just don't post with one in. Easy, simple.

Humor me with one last post though...If you pledge to not beg, borrow or steal tobacco, but you have a huge stash to tide you over, what good is the fucking pledge? If I'm Bill Gates and I pledge not to spend more than $200 on lunch today, is that really meaningful?

The answer is No.

Loot, Remmy,

I've gone a while on this site agreeing with you guys and you have given me great advice countless times and for that I can never fully repay you. But on this one I am going to respectfully disagree.

CCM has been posting his word to get himself quit right here. I gave him the good advice to stay out of the quit groups and he has stayed good to his word to spite that. He may find that his quit was a little late and he has been made aware of that from a good many of us, but in the mean time he is sticking to his plan and we owe it to him to support that.

CCM, I said it before and I'll say it again, stay the course! get clean, sooner rather than later! In fact, NOW!

I agree with 11X4.

Loot you've given me good advice in the past, and I thank you for that. In fact, I thank you and chewie most of all for helping me quit, but what happened right here was F*CKED.

F*ck if a guy is gonna/trying/maybe gonna quit why bust him out of here. Busting someone fine, busting them all the way out of here is pointless.

Joe

[11X4]

“Go fuck yourself”…howsabout a little reality check there homo.  LOOT don’t need to read your original post.  LOOT knows that you are dipping while you are posting on this site.  That is taboo dumbass.  Think about it…LOOT would like for you to study over some of the roll calls that are pinned in the quit group section.  Now…ask yourself how many of those people would like to have a dip.  How many would like to pack in a big ol fatty, just like you and tell everyone else “I’ll quit in 6 weeks or so”.  If your intent is to ween, fine…LOOT aint got no problem with that.  But for fucks sake us some common sense and understand that you are waving the source of peoples addiction in their faces just so you can make a promise to yourself, that LOOT says you won’t keep anyway.  Buy a fucking calendar and count down the days to the 23rd…but fuck almighty dude…don’t do it here.  It’s called being considerate….you’ve fuckin got to be kidding LOOT man.

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

Well, I thought the whole point of the site was accountability and that's what I was using it for. But...since you seem to be one of the big wigs around here...I guess I'll just pack my bags and see you guys back here when I meet your criteria.

Thanks again for the site.

LOOT aint a big wig....just a quitter

and loot don't make rules alone...if no one else has a problem with your plan, or you posting with a lipper...the go right ahead...LOOT'll just call bullshit until he sees a Day 1 post from you

Alright, we'll see you later - when you DON'T have any tobacco stuffed in your face. You want to lurk with a fatty in, go ahead. Just don't post with one in. Easy, simple.

Humor me with one last post though...If you pledge to not beg, borrow or steal tobacco, but you have a huge stash to tide you over, what good is the fucking pledge? If I'm Bill Gates and I pledge not to spend more than $200 on lunch today, is that really meaningful?

The answer is No.

Loot, Remmy,

I've gone a while on this site agreeing with you guys and you have given me great advice countless times and for that I can never fully repay you. But on this one I am going to respectfully disagree.

CCM has been posting his word to get himself quit right here. I gave him the good advice to stay out of the quit groups and he has stayed good to his word to spite that. He may find that his quit was a little late and he has been made aware of that from a good many of us, but in the mean time he is sticking to his plan and we owe it to him to support that.

CCM, I said it before and I'll say it again, stay the course! get clean, sooner rather than later! In fact, NOW!

[Remshot]

“Go fuck yourself”…howsabout a little reality check there homo.  LOOT don’t need to read your original post.  LOOT knows that you are dipping while you are posting on this site.  That is taboo dumbass.  Think about it…LOOT would like for you to study over some of the roll calls that are pinned in the quit group section.  Now…ask yourself how many of those people would like to have a dip.  How many would like to pack in a big ol fatty, just like you and tell everyone else “I’ll quit in 6 weeks or so”.  If your intent is to ween, fine…LOOT aint got no problem with that.  But for fucks sake us some common sense and understand that you are waving the source of peoples addiction in their faces just so you can make a promise to yourself, that LOOT says you won’t keep anyway.  Buy a fucking calendar and count down the days to the 23rd…but fuck almighty dude…don’t do it here.  It’s called being considerate….you’ve fuckin got to be kidding LOOT man.

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

Well, I thought the whole point of the site was accountability and that's what I was using it for. But...since you seem to be one of the big wigs around here...I guess I'll just pack my bags and see you guys back here when I meet your criteria.

Thanks again for the site.

LOOT aint a big wig....just a quitter

and loot don't make rules alone...if no one else has a problem with your plan, or you posting with a lipper...the go right ahead...LOOT'll just call bullshit until he sees a Day 1 post from you

Alright, we'll see you later - when you DON'T have any tobacco stuffed in your face. You want to lurk with a fatty in, go ahead. Just don't post with one in. Easy, simple.

Humor me with one last post though...If you pledge to not beg, borrow or steal tobacco, but you have a huge stash to tide you over, what good is the fucking pledge? If I'm Bill Gates and I pledge not to spend more than $200 on lunch today, is that really meaningful?

The answer is No.

[loot]

“Go fuck yourself”…howsabout a little reality check there homo.  LOOT don’t need to read your original post.  LOOT knows that you are dipping while you are posting on this site.  That is taboo dumbass.  Think about it…LOOT would like for you to study over some of the roll calls that are pinned in the quit group section.  Now…ask yourself how many of those people would like to have a dip.  How many would like to pack in a big ol fatty, just like you and tell everyone else “I’ll quit in 6 weeks or so”.  If your intent is to ween, fine…LOOT aint got no problem with that.  But for fucks sake us some common sense and understand that you are waving the source of peoples addiction in their faces just so you can make a promise to yourself, that LOOT says you won’t keep anyway.  Buy a fucking calendar and count down the days to the 23rd…but fuck almighty dude…don’t do it here.  It’s called being considerate….you’ve fuckin got to be kidding LOOT man.

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

Well, I thought the whole point of the site was accountability and that's what I was using it for. But...since you seem to be one of the big wigs around here...I guess I'll just pack my bags and see you guys back here when I meet your criteria.

Thanks again for the site.

LOOT aint a big wig....just a quitter

and loot don't make rules alone...if no one else has a problem with your plan, or you posting with a lipper...the go right ahead...LOOT'll just call bullshit until he sees a Day 1 post from you

[CCM]

“Go fuck yourself”…howsabout a little reality check there homo. LOOT don’t need to read your original post. LOOT knows that you are dipping while you are posting on this site. That is taboo dumbass. Think about it…LOOT would like for you to study over some of the roll calls that are pinned in the quit group section. Now…ask yourself how many of those people would like to have a dip. How many would like to pack in a big ol fatty, just like you and tell everyone else “I’ll quit in 6 weeks or so”. If your intent is to ween, fine…LOOT aint got no problem with that. But for fucks sake us some common sense and understand that you are waving the source of peoples addiction in their faces just so you can make a promise to yourself, that LOOT says you won’t keep anyway. Buy a fucking calendar and count down the days to the 23rd…but fuck almighty dude…don’t do it here. It’s called being considerate….you’ve fuckin got to be kidding LOOT man.

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.

Well, I thought the whole point of the site was accountability and that's what I was using it for. But...since you seem to be one of the big wigs around here...I guess I'll just pack my bags and see you guys back here when I meet your criteria.

Thanks again for the site.

[loot]

“Go fuck yourself”…howsabout a little reality check there homo. LOOT don’t need to read your original post. LOOT knows that you are dipping while you are posting on this site. That is taboo dumbass. Think about it…LOOT would like for you to study over some of the roll calls that are pinned in the quit group section. Now…ask yourself how many of those people would like to have a dip. How many would like to pack in a big ol fatty, just like you and tell everyone else “I’ll quit in 6 weeks or so”. If your intent is to ween, fine…LOOT aint got no problem with that. But for fucks sake us some common sense and understand that you are waving the source of peoples addiction in their faces just so you can make a promise to yourself, that LOOT says you won’t keep anyway. Buy a fucking calendar and count down the days to the 23rd…but fuck almighty dude…don’t do it here. It’s called being considerate….you’ve fuckin got to be kidding LOOT man.

And BTWÂ…LOOT hopes the dips you take between now and some pie in the sky fucking date arenÂ’t the ones that cost you your face.