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Offline darwinfeeshy

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #626 on: December 10, 2016, 01:36:00 PM »
Hey all,

First day quitter here. I've been chewing a can a day for about 7 years, never quit for more than a week or two.

What I wanted to ask is, did any of you heavy dippers experience pain in your ears? Like an occasional mild, dull ache/pressure? Cause I have that.

It's irregular but it's definitely linked to chewing, because when ever I would stop for a day or two it would go away. I think it's linked to the throat irritation that chew causes.

Same thing with my jaw sometimes. Whenever I would open my mouth really wide my jaw would pop, nothing too serious, kinda like popping a knuckle. It was strange.
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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #625 on: December 05, 2016, 02:01:00 PM »
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Question --

I was reading this blog on KTC, and I'm a little unclear on what this dentist is saying. Is he saying that fake dip will cause cancer just as effectively as the real thing?

http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/04/fake ... s-opinion/
That does appear to be what that one dentist is saying about that one product. However, let's take that with a HUGE grain of salt.
1. Fake doesn't contain addictive chemicals. So you will be able to wean off and stop using fairly quickly. Personally, I haven't used the fake since around day 80. If that had been a nicotine product, I'd still be using it right now.
2. Not all fakes are created equally. Different products use different ingredients to create that "burn" sensation. If your particular product uses something that creates an irritation in the same way as tobacco, then perhaps it is harmful. However, smoky mountain for instance, uses cayenne to create that. That product creates a similar 'burn' but there's no way it's as harmful as the chemicals used in tobacco.
3. This reaction seems to be based on gut reaction rather than any kind of scientific process. For this statement to be in any way qualified, it would need to be backed up by research. Honestly, this seems like an off-hand general answer rather than an official scientific opinion.

Frankly his statement seems rather irresponsible. It needs to be qualified across several fronts and then backed up with research.

In terms of how it should affect you, it shouldn't. Do you want to be quit  free or addicted  a slave? If I was diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, I'd still choose to spend the rest of my life free. That has to be your mindset.

I applaud you for seeking out information and trying to learn as much as possible. You'll find a lot of contradictory stuff out there. Take it in stride and keep your focus. Stay quit today and then do it again tomorrow.

Edit: Also superb screen name and avatar. There's a special place in Hell for the HBO exec that pulled the plug on Deadwood.
Thanks for responding. This issue gives me a bit of pause, but it's not going to affect my quit. Nothing interferes with my quit.

EDIT: I too was really pissed when Deadwood got the boot. So many loose ends.

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #624 on: December 05, 2016, 01:55:00 PM »
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My name is zack I quit dipping 1 week ago I had a bump come up in my mouth what caused me to quit went to the dentist got a cancer scan everything came back great no cancer haven't had one since but after getting no mouth cancer news I thought I had throat cancer went got a throats ultra sound came back normal throats felt like it was closing up and I really thought I had it but they said I didn't I've been scared for 2 weeks even after I got the news of no cancer I'm still worrying everyday now I feel like I'm losing weight and I eating all the time is this normal
It's definitely normal to freak out when you have a health scare. If the doctor said that you don't have cancer, then you should be in the clear.

Using dip and quitting dip will definitely do some crazy stuff to your body. Phantom pain, sore throat, panic over health - all of these are very normal during your quit.

The most important is to make sure you are committed to quitting, even after this health crisis passes. I've been in your shoes - panic about a weird white patch on my lip, check with the dentist, quit for a few days out of fear. Then as soon as I get the all clear and the panic subsides, I'm right back using just as heavy as before.

The important thing is to get to the point where you want to be quit regardless of your health situation. You should go check out the March Quit group and start posting roll. Roll is for people who are serious about quitting and make the promise to stay quit for today, every day.

Reach out if I can help in any way

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #623 on: December 05, 2016, 10:21:00 AM »
My name is zack I quit dipping 1 week ago I had a bump come up in my mouth what caused me to quit went to the dentist got a cancer scan everything came back great no cancer haven't had one since but after getting no mouth cancer news I thought I had throat cancer went got a throats ultra sound came back normal throats felt like it was closing up and I really thought I had it but they said I didn't I've been scared for 2 weeks even after I got the news of no cancer I'm still worrying everyday now I feel like I'm losing weight and I eating all the time is this normal

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #622 on: December 04, 2016, 10:00:00 AM »
Quote from: swearengen
Question --

I was reading this blog on KTC, and I'm a little unclear on what this dentist is saying. Is he saying that fake dip will cause cancer just as effectively as the real thing?

http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/04/fake ... s-opinion/
That does appear to be what that one dentist is saying about that one product. However, let's take that with a HUGE grain of salt.
1. Fake doesn't contain addictive chemicals. So you will be able to wean off and stop using fairly quickly. Personally, I haven't used the fake since around day 80. If that had been a nicotine product, I'd still be using it right now.
2. Not all fakes are created equally. Different products use different ingredients to create that "burn" sensation. If your particular product uses something that creates an irritation in the same way as tobacco, then perhaps it is harmful. However, smoky mountain for instance, uses cayenne to create that. That product creates a similar 'burn' but there's no way it's as harmful as the chemicals used in tobacco.
3. This reaction seems to be based on gut reaction rather than any kind of scientific process. For this statement to be in any way qualified, it would need to be backed up by research. Honestly, this seems like an off-hand general answer rather than an official scientific opinion.

Frankly his statement seems rather irresponsible. It needs to be qualified across several fronts and then backed up with research.

In terms of how it should affect you, it shouldn't. Do you want to be quit  free or addicted  a slave? If I was diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, I'd still choose to spend the rest of my life free. That has to be your mindset.

I applaud you for seeking out information and trying to learn as much as possible. You'll find a lot of contradictory stuff out there. Take it in stride and keep your focus. Stay quit today and then do it again tomorrow.

Edit: Also superb screen name and avatar. There's a special place in Hell for the HBO exec that pulled the plug on Deadwood.

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #621 on: December 03, 2016, 01:57:00 PM »
Question --

I was reading this blog on KTC, and I'm a little unclear on what this dentist is saying. Is he saying that fake dip will cause cancer just as effectively as the real thing?

http://blog.killthecan.org/2015/04/fake ... s-opinion/

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #620 on: December 03, 2016, 02:34:00 AM »
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/1 ... -stadiums/

So I guess this is old news.... it was on the radio yesterday for some reason

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #619 on: December 03, 2016, 02:31:00 AM »
Wanted to get this shit out there....

Gov. Brown Signs Bill Banning Smokeless Tobacco Use In State’s Pro Baseball Stadiums – CBS San Francisco

Players, fans, baseball, no dip. Check it out.



Hey KN, I reached out to Charro (sp?) earlier today. Hope he's ready to give it up.

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #618 on: December 01, 2016, 11:24:00 PM »
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Welcome chambro, your hatred for nicotine and the slavery you willingly endured for 20 years is great. One word of advice, don't worry about forever. Just win today. Deal with tomorrow when it gets here.

Okay one more piece of advice, get to know the other quitters in your quit group. Really get to know them. If you do it right, these quitters will improve your chances of success one hundred fold.
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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #617 on: December 01, 2016, 08:39:00 PM »
2 weeks quit. I've been trolling this site for years and I'm finally doing it. 20 years of cope, can a day, and I never want to go back again. It has ruined my life and has hurt my marriage. I'll never go back. Where's my quit group.

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #616 on: December 01, 2016, 08:36:00 PM »
2 weeks quit. I've been trolling this site for years and I'm finally doing it. 20 years of cope, can a day, and I never want to go back again. It has ruined my life and has hurt my marriage. I'll never go back. Where's my quit group.

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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #615 on: November 30, 2016, 12:38:00 PM »
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Quote from: Edward
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Well... that sucked. Glad to be back up and running.

Thankful for all you fellow quitters. Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving tomorrow folks!

Chewie
Nice work Chewie! Happy Thanksgiving, stay quit y'all!
Thanks Chewie for all of your efforts in the past and especially during the recent outage.

Has anyone else noticed that there are extra blank pages in many of the forums? At the top and bottom of every page, are the links to specific page numbers. In the October 2016 group right now it shows:
Pages: [1] [...] [1240] [1241]
Usually, if you click on the last option, it will take you to that page and there is the most recent posts. If you do that right now, you go to that page, but there are no posts there, just the black band describing the thread, and then the list of members viewing that page.

We've been working around it so far, but if the issue isn't wide spread, the folks that can fix it, may not know that something is broken.
Not a complete list but here are the pages I've noticed this issue on:
  • October 2016
  • December 2016
  • July 2016
  • February 2016
  • March 2016
Appreciate the kind words... but I honestly didn't do much. I was just communicating with the folks at Zeta.

My guess re: blank pages is that since they essentially needed to rebuild from scrath there were some left over "bits and bytes" (not wanting to get too technical).

I can enter a support ticket to see if they can't clean things up but my guess is that those extra pages will go away once there are more responses to those affected threads.
The blank page issue has been taken care of (thanks flashman!)

Let us know if you continue to see this pop up.
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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #614 on: November 29, 2016, 06:16:00 AM »
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I quit this morning. Been wanting to kick the habit a long time. Been dipping for 20 plus years. Not bad right now but worried about when i get home lol. Ive got this. Got to stay on the move i guess.
Make sure you get your introduction done, and post roll in the appropriate group. I think you'll want Feb 2017. I can't grab links right now.

Get that support going, your roll post is your daily promise to stay quit. Welcome to KTC and glad to quit with you.
And it looks like he gave up on us the same day he quit. Hopefully he finds his way one of these days.
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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #613 on: November 29, 2016, 02:26:00 AM »
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I quit this morning. Been wanting to kick the habit a long time. Been dipping for 20 plus years. Not bad right now but worried about when i get home lol. Ive got this. Got to stay on the move i guess.
Make sure you get your introduction done, and post roll in the appropriate group. I think you'll want Feb 2017. I can't grab links right now.

Get that support going, your roll post is your daily promise to stay quit. Welcome to KTC and glad to quit with you.
And it looks like he gave up on us the same day he quit. Hopefully he finds his way one of these days.
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Re: General Discussion - 2016
« Reply #612 on: November 28, 2016, 12:13:00 PM »
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Quote from: canless2014
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Well... that sucked. Glad to be back up and running.

Thankful for all you fellow quitters. Have a happy and safe Thanksgiving tomorrow folks!

Chewie
Nice work Chewie! Happy Thanksgiving, stay quit y'all!
Thanks Chewie for all of your efforts in the past and especially during the recent outage.

Has anyone else noticed that there are extra blank pages in many of the forums? At the top and bottom of every page, are the links to specific page numbers. In the October 2016 group right now it shows:
Pages: [1] [...] [1240] [1241]
Usually, if you click on the last option, it will take you to that page and there is the most recent posts. If you do that right now, you go to that page, but there are no posts there, just the black band describing the thread, and then the list of members viewing that page.

We've been working around it so far, but if the issue isn't wide spread, the folks that can fix it, may not know that something is broken.
Not a complete list but here are the pages I've noticed this issue on:
  • October 2016
  • December 2016
  • July 2016
  • February 2016
  • March 2016
Appreciate the kind words... but I honestly didn't do much. I was just communicating with the folks at Zeta.

My guess re: blank pages is that since they essentially needed to rebuild from scrath there were some left over "bits and bytes" (not wanting to get too technical).

I can enter a support ticket to see if they can't clean things up but my guess is that those extra pages will go away once there are more responses to those affected threads.
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9th Floor - 1.08.09 / Comma - 4.18.09 / 11th Floor - 7.27.09 / 12th Floor - 11.04.09 / 13th Floor - 2.12.10 / 14th Floor - 05.23.10 / 15th Floor - 08.31.2010 / 16th Floor - 12.9.10
17th Floor - 3.19.11 / 18th Floor - 6.27.11 / 19th Floor - 10.5.11 / 2K - 1.13.12 / 21st Floor - 4.22.12 / 22nd Floor - 7.31.12 / 23rd Floor - 11.8.12 / 24th Floor - 2.16.13 / 25th Floor - 5.27.13
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35th Floor - 2.21.16 / 36th Floor - 5.31.16 / 37th Floor - 9.8.16 / 38th Floor - 12.17.16 / 39th Floor - 3.27.17 / 4K - 7.5.17 / 41st Floor - 10.13.17 / 42nd Floor - 1.21.18 / 43rd Floor - 5.1.18
44th Floor - 8.9.18 / 45th Floor - 11.17.18 / 46th Floor - 2.25.19 / 47th Floor - 6.5.19 / 48th Floor - 9.13.19 / 49th Floor - 12.22.19 / 5K - 4.1.20 / 51st Floor - 7.9.20 / 52nd Floor - 10.17.20 / 53rd Floor - 1.25.21 / 54th Floor - 5.5.21
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