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Community => Introductions => Topic started by: DirtRoad89 on April 20, 2020, 05:19:34 PM
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So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
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So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
Hi DR89 - glad you signed up. This is a no nicotine forum as it was stating in the terms you accepted when signing up on this forum. Cold turkey is the only way unfortunately. Believe me...weening is a marketing scheme implemented by big tobacco to get you to not quit and 'think' you still need nic. It's all a big fat lie. Nicotine isn't required for anything at all...nothing. Don't give into the lies that weening is helping YOU...it is only helping big tobacco steal more of your money. Quit now...get through the withdrawal now. Weening only delays when you have true withdrawal (along with giving big tobacco your money). Withdrawal starts when you stop using. So it is either now or later. If you choose later...come back then and post up your Day 1. I would highly encourage starting now because chances of you coming back later with a 'future quit date' (as we have seen NUMEROUS times before from MANY on this site) results in a 1% chance that person actually comes back and an almost 100% chance that they fail in their quit since they have thought there was a cure. This is an addiction - meaning it is lifelong.
Join up and post Day 1. The system here works if you buy into it. Surrender yourself to the fact that you are an addict to nicotine and post up each day.
I hope you join up and choose this path. We will all be here to support you. In the end, only you can quit for yourself.
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So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
Hi DR89 - glad you signed up. This is a no nicotine forum as it was stating in the terms you accepted when signing up on this forum. Cold turkey is the only way unfortunately. Believe me...weening is a marketing scheme implemented by big tobacco to get you to not quit and 'think' you still need nic. It's all a big fat lie. Nicotine isn't required for anything at all...nothing. Don't give into the lies that weening is helping YOU...it is only helping big tobacco steal more of your money. Quit now...get through the withdrawal now. Weening only delays when you have true withdrawal (along with giving big tobacco your money). Withdrawal starts when you stop using. So it is either now or later. If you choose later...come back then and post up your Day 1. I would highly encourage starting now because chances of you coming back later with a 'future quit date' (as we have seen NUMEROUS times before from MANY on this site) results in a 1% chance that person actually comes back and an almost 100% chance that they fail in their quit since they have thought there was a cure. This is an addiction - meaning it is lifelong.
Join up and post Day 1. The system here works if you buy into it. Surrender yourself to the fact that you are an addict to nicotine and post up each day.
I hope you join up and choose this path. We will all be here to support you. In the end, only you can quit for yourself.
hey thanks for the encouragement. Oh trust me, I know first and foremost that I am an addict. I am acutely aware that I am addicted to nicotine. I used to abuse pills years ago till I nearly overdosed and ive been clean now for nearly 9 years. I wont even take presciption meds or even OTC pills. Thats a promise I made to myself. I refuse to break it.
But yes, you are 100% right that I am an addict. However, I can't quit cold turkey. Last two times I tried that shit I wound up in the ER in intensive care. My body as I mentioned, is already severely dependent on nicotine to function. I know that its all mental, but in my case, some of it is actually very physical, as 10 years of hospital records would show.
I would love to quit cold turkey, but thats a very dangerous game for me to play. Even my ex, who urged me to quit cold turkey, saw how irresponsible of an option that was for me first hand, and we both agreed back then that if I were to ever quit, I were to quit by weaning myself off. Its the only safe way I can do it.
I know that sounds 100% like bullshit, even I think its bullshit, but Ive been diagnosed with a rare disease and suffer from it daily, that is literally caused by an allergic reaction to nicotine and tobacco. The allergies are gone, but the effects are permanent and lifelong. Fucking messed up if you ask me that Im able to be addicted to it still, and knowing put that shit in my mouth knowing hours later Ill be suffering physically because of what it does to my body health wise. But If I quit suddenly, I risk seizures and instant death. Im so used to the fact I could drop dead immediately, that Ive had many many years of accepting that simple fact. Im more afraid of leaving people I love behind, then dying instantly. Ive already been in that boat once before, so the fear of cancer and the like dont really scare me, its more the suddenly dropping out without any warning and not being able to say goodbye, that scares me.
However, Yes, I am an addict, I know I make excuses, and I know youve all heard it before. Im not promising to you or anyone else that Ill be back, Idk if I will, but I do know that the steps and amount Ive cut back on, are drastic and unheard of for me, especially people who know me personally. I can not guarantee at all that Ill be able to wean myself off completely, but god dammit Im gonna try.
I will say, I have 4 cans of real chew left, and I havent bought any. Thats insanity for me. Normally If I buy a can of fake chew, I buy 2 cans of real chew. Its crazy to me that Im over here buying fake chew and not buying any real chew too.
Anyways, thanks for the encouragement and advice.
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So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
Hi DR89 - glad you signed up. This is a no nicotine forum as it was stating in the terms you accepted when signing up on this forum. Cold turkey is the only way unfortunately. Believe me...weening is a marketing scheme implemented by big tobacco to get you to not quit and 'think' you still need nic. It's all a big fat lie. Nicotine isn't required for anything at all...nothing. Don't give into the lies that weening is helping YOU...it is only helping big tobacco steal more of your money. Quit now...get through the withdrawal now. Weening only delays when you have true withdrawal (along with giving big tobacco your money). Withdrawal starts when you stop using. So it is either now or later. If you choose later...come back then and post up your Day 1. I would highly encourage starting now because chances of you coming back later with a 'future quit date' (as we have seen NUMEROUS times before from MANY on this site) results in a 1% chance that person actually comes back and an almost 100% chance that they fail in their quit since they have thought there was a cure. This is an addiction - meaning it is lifelong.
Join up and post Day 1. The system here works if you buy into it. Surrender yourself to the fact that you are an addict to nicotine and post up each day.
I hope you join up and choose this path. We will all be here to support you. In the end, only you can quit for yourself.
However, I can't quit cold turkey.
My body as I mentioned, is already severely dependent on nicotine to function.
I know that sounds 100% like bullshit...
Oh. My. Good. God.
Bullshit doesn’t even come close.
I am fully speechless. Wow.
-
So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
Hi DR89 - glad you signed up. This is a no nicotine forum as it was stating in the terms you accepted when signing up on this forum. Cold turkey is the only way unfortunately. Believe me...weening is a marketing scheme implemented by big tobacco to get you to not quit and 'think' you still need nic. It's all a big fat lie. Nicotine isn't required for anything at all...nothing. Don't give into the lies that weening is helping YOU...it is only helping big tobacco steal more of your money. Quit now...get through the withdrawal now. Weening only delays when you have true withdrawal (along with giving big tobacco your money). Withdrawal starts when you stop using. So it is either now or later. If you choose later...come back then and post up your Day 1. I would highly encourage starting now because chances of you coming back later with a 'future quit date' (as we have seen NUMEROUS times before from MANY on this site) results in a 1% chance that person actually comes back and an almost 100% chance that they fail in their quit since they have thought there was a cure. This is an addiction - meaning it is lifelong.
Join up and post Day 1. The system here works if you buy into it. Surrender yourself to the fact that you are an addict to nicotine and post up each day.
I hope you join up and choose this path. We will all be here to support you. In the end, only you can quit for yourself.
However, I can't quit cold turkey.
My body as I mentioned, is already severely dependent on nicotine to function.
I know that sounds 100% like bullshit...
Oh. My. Good. God.
Bullshit doesn’t even come close.
I am fully speechless. Wow.
Sounds like you've really got a handle on it this time. So while you contine to kill yourself, we'll be over here actually giving a fuck, quitting.
-
So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
Hi DR89 - glad you signed up. This is a no nicotine forum as it was stating in the terms you accepted when signing up on this forum. Cold turkey is the only way unfortunately. Believe me...weening is a marketing scheme implemented by big tobacco to get you to not quit and 'think' you still need nic. It's all a big fat lie. Nicotine isn't required for anything at all...nothing. Don't give into the lies that weening is helping YOU...it is only helping big tobacco steal more of your money. Quit now...get through the withdrawal now. Weening only delays when you have true withdrawal (along with giving big tobacco your money). Withdrawal starts when you stop using. So it is either now or later. If you choose later...come back then and post up your Day 1. I would highly encourage starting now because chances of you coming back later with a 'future quit date' (as we have seen NUMEROUS times before from MANY on this site) results in a 1% chance that person actually comes back and an almost 100% chance that they fail in their quit since they have thought there was a cure. This is an addiction - meaning it is lifelong.
Join up and post Day 1. The system here works if you buy into it. Surrender yourself to the fact that you are an addict to nicotine and post up each day.
I hope you join up and choose this path. We will all be here to support you. In the end, only you can quit for yourself.
However, I can't quit cold turkey.
My body as I mentioned, is already severely dependent on nicotine to function.
I know that sounds 100% like bullshit...
Oh. My. Good. God.
Bullshit doesn’t even come close.
I am fully speechless. Wow.
Sounds like you've really got a handle on it this time. So while you contine to kill yourself, we'll be over here actually giving a fuck, quitting.
@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) I won't speak for everyone here but most of our bodies were/are severely dependent on nicotine; certainly mine was/is. Most of us used for longer than you...some much longer. Your body will always be dependent on nicotine...that's addiction. You are doing yourself zero favors putting this off. If, as you say, you are motivated to quit, cut the cord now. Putting it off only gives you wiggle room to not commit. YOU CAN DO THIS. We can lead you down the path. Post up and take the first step of the rest of your life.
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So guess Ill stick here in the introductions forum until then...
Ive known about KilltheCan ever since its inception years and years ago, but up until recently, Ive never had a strong enough desire to quit, so I didnt't fucking care, lets just be honest. Even now, I dont want to quit, but because of my health, I seriously need to. Ive been in and out of the hospital most of my life due to health issues all stemming from nicotine use, and logic be damned, but my extremely addictive personality doesnt care about what happens to my health in the end apparantly.
However here in the last few months Ive been increasingly worried about my health and just how long Ive got left if I continue down this nicotine road. Thus I am in the process of weaning myself off of the shit. Ive quit before, a few times actually, years ago, but I always started up again. Hell lets be honest, if I quit this time, I cant guarantee that I wont pick it up again some day in the future, long after Ive quit. Maybe thats why Im subconciously really here, to not only quit, but quit for good.
Anyways, enough with the same backstory thats been told 10000x already youve all heard before...
Ive been dipping since the military 12 years ago. Its where I started using tobacco, both smoking and dip. Ive been off and on both forms, if not all forms of nicotine since them. Currently for the last 5 years or so Ive been 100% dip. Im from rural midwest, so dip is pretty common and widely accepted. You see it everywhere, and you stand out like a sore thumb if you DONT use it... thats the culture here. Hence it makes it much harder to quit when its so common.
At the moment, Im trying to wean myself off the real chew. Ive tried quitting cold turkey before and it causes more problems then cures. Ive only ever been able to wean myself off it, its the only thing that works.
But unlike in the past where I always half assed all my attempts, and gave myself plenty of cheat days, Im really trying to stick to it this time. On average, before this new attempt, I was dipping for at least a solid 9 hours out of every 24. Currently Ive cut back to around 3 to 5. Ive been using Smokey Mountain, a brand Ive known about for many years. Real Dip every 4 hours if I want it, for 30 minutes, then take it out immediately and toss in the fake stuff for another hour or so. Its really been helpful in tricking my mind into thinking im still chewing.
My goal is to continue like this for a week or two until I am comfortable with the new tolerance levels, and then go down to like 30 mins of real dip every 6 hours if i want it, 15 every 8 hours, etc. Its the only method thats ever managed to work for me. In the past I also always had a shitty job so coughing up money for fake chew on top of real chew was not logical. Not trying to brag, just saying I have the finances now to support the attempt this time. Ive got 3 cans of SM on hand, and 10 cans from Jakes on the way, with a 30 can order from SM on the way as well.
Never have I attempted this hard to quit by making a concrete effort financially to quit, so I really am hoping, almost praying Ive got the willpower this time to not let my money go to waste.
Yea, thats my story...
Hi DR89 - glad you signed up. This is a no nicotine forum as it was stating in the terms you accepted when signing up on this forum. Cold turkey is the only way unfortunately. Believe me...weening is a marketing scheme implemented by big tobacco to get you to not quit and 'think' you still need nic. It's all a big fat lie. Nicotine isn't required for anything at all...nothing. Don't give into the lies that weening is helping YOU...it is only helping big tobacco steal more of your money. Quit now...get through the withdrawal now. Weening only delays when you have true withdrawal (along with giving big tobacco your money). Withdrawal starts when you stop using. So it is either now or later. If you choose later...come back then and post up your Day 1. I would highly encourage starting now because chances of you coming back later with a 'future quit date' (as we have seen NUMEROUS times before from MANY on this site) results in a 1% chance that person actually comes back and an almost 100% chance that they fail in their quit since they have thought there was a cure. This is an addiction - meaning it is lifelong.
Join up and post Day 1. The system here works if you buy into it. Surrender yourself to the fact that you are an addict to nicotine and post up each day.
I hope you join up and choose this path. We will all be here to support you. In the end, only you can quit for yourself.
However, I can't quit cold turkey.
My body as I mentioned, is already severely dependent on nicotine to function.
I know that sounds 100% like bullshit...
Oh. My. Good. God.
Bullshit doesn’t even come close.
I am fully speechless. Wow.
Sounds like you've really got a handle on it this time. So while you contine to kill yourself, we'll be over here actually giving a fuck, quitting.
@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) I won't speak for everyone here but most of our bodies were/are severely dependent on nicotine; certainly mine was/is. Most of us used for longer than you...some much longer. Your body will always be dependent on nicotine...that's addiction. You are doing yourself zero favors putting this off. If, as you say, you are motivated to quit, cut the cord now. Putting it off only gives you wiggle room to not commit. YOU CAN DO THIS. We can lead you down the path. Post up and take the first step of the rest of your life.
This might be the biggest pile of shit I have read on KTC. However, I give you a B- for creativity.
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Update:
I have now almost quit real chew. I am barely dipping at all now, the real stuff that is at least. Im down to about 20 minutes every 24 hours. In between I either dont dip or I do the fake stuff. It has been hard, but I am determined to quit (despite what all the naysayers here say, not surprised by that either). I will continue to wean myself off it until I am completely free of it. At this point in time Im at the point where half the time I go to reach for a real dip, and im just like 'nah, ill do the fake stuff', so I end up going longer the 24 hours without the real stuff.
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Update:
I have now almost quit real chew. I am barely dipping at all now, the real stuff that is at least. Im down to about 20 minutes every 24 hours. In between I either dont dip or I do the fake stuff. It has been hard, but I am determined to quit (despite what all the naysayers here say, not surprised by that either). I will continue to wean myself off it until I am completely free of it. At this point in time Im at the point where half the time I go to reach for a real dip, and im just like 'nah, ill do the fake stuff', so I end up going longer the 24 hours without the real stuff.
This isn’t Facebook.
Updates are white noise and bullshit to us when you haven’t quit.
1... How dare you come on a site that is all about quitting and gaining power over this addiction, flaunting your 100% lame ass excuses for why you “can’t quit” cold turkey AND still using. Idiot.
2... Quit now or leave. It’s that simple. If you would pull your head out of your ass and take the time to read all the responses below, you would understand why we are vehemently attacking you on this point.
I, for one, do NOT give one damn about your weaning status.
It’s weak.
It’s insulting to all the guys and gals who are ACTUALLY quitting.
Quit, join a quit group, or...
Go. Away.
It’s that simple.
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Update:
I have now almost quit real chew. I am barely dipping at all now, the real stuff that is at least. Im down to about 20 minutes every 24 hours. In between I either dont dip or I do the fake stuff. It has been hard, but I am determined to quit (despite what all the naysayers here say, not surprised by that either). I will continue to wean myself off it until I am completely free of it. At this point in time Im at the point where half the time I go to reach for a real dip, and im just like 'nah, ill do the fake stuff', so I end up going longer the 24 hours without the real stuff.
I’m with AppleJack. Come back when you are ready to quit. As long as you are letting a dead plant in a can kick your ass, stop posting here. If and when you are ready to quit, come back. We will be ready to support you.
This isn’t Facebook.
Updates are white noise and bullshit to us when you haven’t quit.
1... How dare you come on a site that is all about quitting and gaining power over this addiction, flaunting your 100% lame ass excuses for why you “can’t quit” cold turkey AND still using. Idiot.
2... Quit now or leave. It’s that simple. If you would pull your head out of your ass and take the time to read all the responses below, you would understand why we are vehemently attacking you on this point.
I, for one, do NOT give one damn about your weaning status.
It’s weak.
It’s insulting to all the guys and gals who are ACTUALLY quitting.
Quit, join a quit group, or...
Go. Away.
It’s that simple.
I agree with AppleJack. Stop posting until you are ready to quit. We don’t try, we quit. We don’t do stoppages, we quit. So when you are tired of letting a dead plant in a can kick you ass and have truly decided to quit, come back and we will support you every step of the way. Until then. - don’t post anymore updates.
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Update:
I have now almost quit real chew. I am barely dipping at all now, the real stuff that is at least. Im down to about 20 minutes every 24 hours. In between I either dont dip or I do the fake stuff. It has been hard, but I am determined to quit (despite what all the naysayers here say, not surprised by that either). I will continue to wean myself off it until I am completely free of it. At this point in time Im at the point where half the time I go to reach for a real dip, and im just like 'nah, ill do the fake stuff', so I end up going longer the 24 hours without the real stuff.
I’m with AppleJack. Come back when you are ready to quit. As long as you are letting a dead plant in a can kick your ass, stop posting here. If and when you are ready to quit, come back. We will be ready to support you.
This isn’t Facebook.
Updates are white noise and bullshit to us when you haven’t quit.
1... How dare you come on a site that is all about quitting and gaining power over this addiction, flaunting your 100% lame ass excuses for why you “can’t quit” cold turkey AND still using. Idiot.
2... Quit now or leave. It’s that simple. If you would pull your head out of your ass and take the time to read all the responses below, you would understand why we are vehemently attacking you on this point.
I, for one, do NOT give one damn about your weaning status.
It’s weak.
It’s insulting to all the guys and gals who are ACTUALLY quitting.
Quit, join a quit group, or...
Go. Away.
It’s that simple.
I agree with AppleJack. Stop posting until you are ready to quit. We don’t try, we quit. We don’t do stoppages, we quit. So when you are tired of letting a dead plant in a can kick you ass and have truly decided to quit, come back and we will support you every step of the way. Until then. - don’t post anymore updates.
I'll quit on my own terms, thank you very much, and not what the KilltheCan Cult wants. I have far far more respect for myself and any man or woman out there that quits an addiction based off their own heart/mind etc, and not what the collective hivemind demands.
Furthermore, yea I read the fucking forum rules. If nicotine is still in your system, youre limited to introductions, which is exactly what im doing.
I can see now how toxic of a community this is, no different then say something like Reddit, or other forms of social media. I am more then happy to go my own way now and do this thing on my own then be keelhauled into what the great hivemind wants.
Id rather die of by my own hand then join a cult.
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Update:
I have now almost quit real chew. I am barely dipping at all now, the real stuff that is at least. Im down to about 20 minutes every 24 hours. In between I either dont dip or I do the fake stuff. It has been hard, but I am determined to quit (despite what all the naysayers here say, not surprised by that either). I will continue to wean myself off it until I am completely free of it. At this point in time Im at the point where half the time I go to reach for a real dip, and im just like 'nah, ill do the fake stuff', so I end up going longer the 24 hours without the real stuff.
I’m with AppleJack. Come back when you are ready to quit. As long as you are letting a dead plant in a can kick your ass, stop posting here. If and when you are ready to quit, come back. We will be ready to support you.
This isn’t Facebook.
Updates are white noise and bullshit to us when you haven’t quit.
1... How dare you come on a site that is all about quitting and gaining power over this addiction, flaunting your 100% lame ass excuses for why you “can’t quit” cold turkey AND still using. Idiot.
2... Quit now or leave. It’s that simple. If you would pull your head out of your ass and take the time to read all the responses below, you would understand why we are vehemently attacking you on this point.
I, for one, do NOT give one damn about your weaning status.
It’s weak.
It’s insulting to all the guys and gals who are ACTUALLY quitting.
Quit, join a quit group, or...
Go. Away.
It’s that simple.
I agree with AppleJack. Stop posting until you are ready to quit. We don’t try, we quit. We don’t do stoppages, we quit. So when you are tired of letting a dead plant in a can kick you ass and have truly decided to quit, come back and we will support you every step of the way. Until then. - don’t post anymore updates.
I'll quit on my own terms, thank you very much, and not what the KilltheCan Cult wants. I have far far more respect for myself and any man or woman out there that quits an addiction based off their own heart/mind etc, and not what the collective hivemind demands.
Furthermore, yea I read the fucking forum rules. If nicotine is still in your system, youre limited to introductions, which is exactly what im doing.
I can see now how toxic of a community this is, no different then say something like Reddit, or other forms of social media. I am more then happy to go my own way now and do this thing on my own then be keelhauled into what the great hivemind wants.
Id rather die of by my own hand then join a cult.
It isn't a cult. It's an accountability website for those of us that are actually QUIT. Which you are not. And like AppleJack said, your lame status updates while still poisoning yourself isn't what we do here.
If you think you got this all figured out, I don't know why you are wasting your time here. If you don't understand what we are trying to do to help you make the leap, then you also don't understand accountability. This isn't a feel good site where we try and hope and failures are addressed with a pat on the ass and a "you'll get them next time champ". Those sites are out there but their success rate doesn't even compare to KTC.
If you decide to find some humility and stop poisoning yourself while stretching our your withdrawal period, let us know. Until then, stop wasting our time. We will be helping those that have the balls to rid their lives from nicotine completely and are honoring their words one day at a time.
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Update:
I have now almost quit real chew. I am barely dipping at all now, the real stuff that is at least. Im down to about 20 minutes every 24 hours. In between I either dont dip or I do the fake stuff. It has been hard, but I am determined to quit (despite what all the naysayers here say, not surprised by that either). I will continue to wean myself off it until I am completely free of it. At this point in time Im at the point where half the time I go to reach for a real dip, and im just like 'nah, ill do the fake stuff', so I end up going longer the 24 hours without the real stuff.
I’m with AppleJack. Come back when you are ready to quit. As long as you are letting a dead plant in a can kick your ass, stop posting here. If and when you are ready to quit, come back. We will be ready to support you.
This isn’t Facebook.
Updates are white noise and bullshit to us when you haven’t quit.
1... How dare you come on a site that is all about quitting and gaining power over this addiction, flaunting your 100% lame ass excuses for why you “can’t quit” cold turkey AND still using. Idiot.
2... Quit now or leave. It’s that simple. If you would pull your head out of your ass and take the time to read all the responses below, you would understand why we are vehemently attacking you on this point.
I, for one, do NOT give one damn about your weaning status.
It’s weak.
It’s insulting to all the guys and gals who are ACTUALLY quitting.
Quit, join a quit group, or...
Go. Away.
It’s that simple.
I agree with AppleJack. Stop posting until you are ready to quit. We don’t try, we quit. We don’t do stoppages, we quit. So when you are tired of letting a dead plant in a can kick you ass and have truly decided to quit, come back and we will support you every step of the way. Until then. - don’t post anymore updates.
I'll quit on my own terms, thank you very much, and not what the KilltheCan Cult wants. I have far far more respect for myself and any man or woman out there that quits an addiction based off their own heart/mind etc, and not what the collective hivemind demands.
Furthermore, yea I read the fucking forum rules. If nicotine is still in your system, youre limited to introductions, which is exactly what im doing.
I can see now how toxic of a community this is, no different then say something like Reddit, or other forms of social media. I am more then happy to go my own way now and do this thing on my own then be keelhauled into what the great hivemind wants.
Id rather die of by my own hand then join a cult.
You make me sad, dude.
You just absolutely do NOT get it.
You’re being a bitch because you got called out. Truth hurts... especially when you’re an addict still trying to justify why you’re still using. It’s all excuses. Can you see that? You’re sabotaging yourself on all sides. You obviously can’t quit on your own. Can you see that? You listed reason after reason (all bullshit) why you can’t just quit.
Pull your head out. Listen to us. We know addicts... we are addicts. I’ve personally heard cats like you hundreds of times crying and whining about KTC being bullies. Don’t like it?... go away. Slow your roll and listen?... you might have a chance.
We’re successful here. Our way. Proven.
You haven’t been on your own.
Food for thought.
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You sound a lot like I did when I joined this site 1,557 days ago. All I can say is that I’ve learned that this site works. The method works. I chewed for more than 24 years, and tried to quit on my own countless times.
Just before coming here I tried “stepping down” too. Only I used nicotine gum.
I detested the hive think and bullying too. But I wanted to quit more. So I started drinking the Kool-aid. Here I am, more than four years later, still quit and posting roll daily.
This place works. Check your ego at the door, and quit with us.
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...I have now almost quit ....
almost?
loves, fortunes, and lives have been lost to almost
How about a nice healthy dose of honest introspection. Take a walk with me and we'll look back on your life and see just how much almost has cost you.
You mentioned an ex. Is that because you were almost a husband?
Are there children suffering from almost a father?
Has your professional development suffered because you almost educated yourself?
How many career opportunities were lost to 'almost ready'?
I'm not being presumptuous; you've already told us all we need to know.
Yeah, how bout we take a walk and see just how much 'almost' has cost you.
I'm thinking that's a veil you'll almost pull back.
Aren't you tire of paying for 'almost'?
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@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) you are pathetic. Stop posting. You don’t have the balls or mindset to quit. I truly feel sorry for you.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
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You sound a lot like I did when I joined this site 1,557 days ago. All I can say is that I’ve learned that this site works. The method works. I chewed for more than 24 years, and tried to quit on my own countless times.
Just before coming here I tried “stepping down” too. Only I used nicotine gum.
I detested the hive think and bullying too. But I wanted to quit more. So I started drinking the Kool-aid. Here I am, more than four years later, still quit and posting roll daily.
This place works. Check your ego at the door, and quit with us.
its inspiring, im sure your not the only one. i know how damn helplessly addicted i am to this shit tho, i dont even know hwo the fuck to get to that point where im able to toss all the shit out just like that. like, im at that point right now. its in the trash, and ive already picked it back out twice now, and then consequently put it right back. ive got 14 cans of fake shit, and im just sitting here wanting to quit so badly, yet i cant even bring myself to make the first crucial step. i dont know how the fuck im supposed to contend with a lack of willpower like that.
its disheartening when you see just how much you want to quit, and you cant even force yourself to take the first crucial step. i know for a fact if i throw everything away and quit, within a few days ill be back at the gas station cursing myself for being weak hating myself and stuff. idk what to do anymore.
thats why im asking about accountability.
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Fuck it. been heavily reading all the posts here. Arguing or something of the sort over on my original introduction thread. Fuck all that. Im fucking pissed. Pissed at nicotine. Pissed at my past. Pissed at myself. Everyone is right. Excuses, that's all it fucking is. All it ever was. Im motherfucking sick of being addicted to this shit. And I already dont like the hivemind here, but fuck it, I clearly cant do this shit on my own. And through the midst of all the garbage I dont care for here, I can see the message everyone is trying to get across.
Something thats always always bugged me, is that "people dont care" about your problems. Something dawned on me earlier that you all have tons and tons of people here taking the time to help people actually quit and stay quit. Maybe this KTC shit willa ctually work for me i dont know. I know for fucking sure that im in one terrible pissed off mood right now. I do not want to go cold turkey, I dont want to fucking quit. I just want to keep chewing and chewing and chewing. But I know thats not really me, thats the nicotine talking. Its like a fucking mindjacking alien. Fuck that alien.
I know Im gonna fuck up, stumble, and will probably be the weakest counterpart of whatever group Im in. But god dammit Im at my wits end, and I am humbled by my lack of willpower. So im gonna try the KTC way, cuz I dont know what else to do anymore.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
Honor your promise. It’s that simple. When you post roll, you are promising yourself, every member of your quit group, and everyone posting support.
Be a man of your word, and honor your promise.
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New group is forming up right here. Join them and make your promise to stay nicotine free until tomorrow.
https://ktcforum.org/index.php?topic=16445.0
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Fuck it. been heavily reading all the posts here. Arguing or something of the sort over on my original introduction thread. Fuck all that. Im fucking pissed. Pissed at nicotine. Pissed at my past. Pissed at myself. Everyone is right. Excuses, that's all it fucking is. All it ever was. Im motherfucking sick of being addicted to this shit. And I already dont like the hivemind here, but fuck it, I clearly cant do this shit on my own. And through the midst of all the garbage I dont care for here, I can see the message everyone is trying to get across.
Something thats always always bugged me, is that "people dont care" about your problems. Something dawned on me earlier that you all have tons and tons of people here taking the time to help people actually quit and stay quit. Maybe this KTC shit willa ctually work for me i dont know. I know for fucking sure that im in one terrible pissed off mood right now. I do not want to go cold turkey, I dont want to fucking quit. I just want to keep chewing and chewing and chewing. But I know thats not really me, thats the nicotine talking. Its like a fucking mindjacking alien. Fuck that alien.
I know Im gonna fuck up, stumble, and will probably be the weakest counterpart of whatever group Im in. But god dammit Im at my wits end, and I am humbled by my lack of willpower. So im gonna try the KTC way, cuz I dont know what else to do anymore.
1... Stick to your original intro. A mod will fix that for you. Each person only gets one.
2... Pissed off is good. Very good. This garbage drug is stealing your health, your money, your integrity, your personality... everything. Pissed off is very good. You’re the top of the food chain... stop letting yourself be owned by it.
3... No trying. No hoping. Own your decision bro. You’re not any more addicted than I was. I chewed for 25 years and was doing 2 cans a day for a good damn chunk of it. Dude... that’s epic junkie level status right there. How did I do this? I wanted to. Plain and simple. I wanted to quit more than I wanted to chew. I. Fucking. Owned. It. I got involved here... I got phone numbers... I talked to people... I helped people... I raged against the machine...
I worked it.
Your mindset has to change.
There is NO option to stumble. You don’t get to cave and try again. That’s not how it works.
Own. Your. Decision.
Be better than what you’re addicted to.
You can do this.
Ask me how I know.
I was you.
AJ... 2,567 days of freedom
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Fuck it. been heavily reading all the posts here. Arguing or something of the sort over on my original introduction thread. Fuck all that. Im fucking pissed. Pissed at nicotine. Pissed at my past. Pissed at myself. Everyone is right. Excuses, that's all it fucking is. All it ever was. Im motherfucking sick of being addicted to this shit. And I already dont like the hivemind here, but fuck it, I clearly cant do this shit on my own. And through the midst of all the garbage I dont care for here, I can see the message everyone is trying to get across.
Something thats always always bugged me, is that "people dont care" about your problems. Something dawned on me earlier that you all have tons and tons of people here taking the time to help people actually quit and stay quit. Maybe this KTC shit willa ctually work for me i dont know. I know for fucking sure that im in one terrible pissed off mood right now. I do not want to go cold turkey, I dont want to fucking quit. I just want to keep chewing and chewing and chewing. But I know thats not really me, thats the nicotine talking. Its like a fucking mindjacking alien. Fuck that alien.
I know Im gonna fuck up, stumble, and will probably be the weakest counterpart of whatever group Im in. But god dammit Im at my wits end, and I am humbled by my lack of willpower. So im gonna try the KTC way, cuz I dont know what else to do anymore.
1... Stick to your original intro. A mod will fix that for you. Each person only gets one.
2... Pissed off is good. Very good. This garbage drug is stealing your health, your money, your integrity, your personality... everything. Pissed off is very good. You’re the top of the food chain... stop letting yourself be owned by it.
3... No trying. No hoping. Own your decision bro. You’re not any more addicted than I was. I chewed for 25 years and was doing 2 cans a day for a good damn chunk of it. Dude... that’s epic junkie level status right there. How did I do this? I wanted to. Plain and simple. I wanted to quit more than I wanted to chew. I. Fucking. Owned. It. I got involved here... I got phone numbers... I talked to people... I helped people... I raged against the machine...
I worked it.
Your mindset has to change.
There is NO option to stumble. You don’t get to cave and try again. That’s not how it works.
Own. Your. Decision.
Be better than what you’re addicted to.
You can do this.
Ask me how I know.
I was you.
AJ... 2,567 days of freedom
Already Ive caught myself thinking its ok, we can do this for a few weeks, a few days, etc. Or like its fine, Ill just go buy cigs, its ok cuz its not dip. etc. Fuck that though. I dont want to make any kinds of excuses or alterations or come up with alternatives. Im sitting here telling myself I can do this but I honestly cant in good faith say that a week from now I wont be dipping. Im unable tow rap my mindset around how you are able to guarantee in a year or whatever you wont be dipping. That mentally does not make sense to me, as in I physically cant understand that.
So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours.
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Fuck it. been heavily reading all the posts here. Arguing or something of the sort over on my original introduction thread. Fuck all that. Im fucking pissed. Pissed at nicotine. Pissed at my past. Pissed at myself. Everyone is right. Excuses, that's all it fucking is. All it ever was. Im motherfucking sick of being addicted to this shit. And I already dont like the hivemind here, but fuck it, I clearly cant do this shit on my own. And through the midst of all the garbage I dont care for here, I can see the message everyone is trying to get across.
Something thats always always bugged me, is that "people dont care" about your problems. Something dawned on me earlier that you all have tons and tons of people here taking the time to help people actually quit and stay quit. Maybe this KTC shit willa ctually work for me i dont know. I know for fucking sure that im in one terrible pissed off mood right now. I do not want to go cold turkey, I dont want to fucking quit. I just want to keep chewing and chewing and chewing. But I know thats not really me, thats the nicotine talking. Its like a fucking mindjacking alien. Fuck that alien.
I know Im gonna fuck up, stumble, and will probably be the weakest counterpart of whatever group Im in. But god dammit Im at my wits end, and I am humbled by my lack of willpower. So im gonna try the KTC way, cuz I dont know what else to do anymore.
1... Stick to your original intro. A mod will fix that for you. Each person only gets one.
2... Pissed off is good. Very good. This garbage drug is stealing your health, your money, your integrity, your personality... everything. Pissed off is very good. You’re the top of the food chain... stop letting yourself be owned by it.
3... No trying. No hoping. Own your decision bro. You’re not any more addicted than I was. I chewed for 25 years and was doing 2 cans a day for a good damn chunk of it. Dude... that’s epic junkie level status right there. How did I do this? I wanted to. Plain and simple. I wanted to quit more than I wanted to chew. I. Fucking. Owned. It. I got involved here... I got phone numbers... I talked to people... I helped people... I raged against the machine...
I worked it.
Your mindset has to change.
There is NO option to stumble. You don’t get to cave and try again. That’s not how it works.
Own. Your. Decision.
Be better than what you’re addicted to.
You can do this.
Ask me how I know.
I was you.
AJ... 2,567 days of freedom
Already Ive caught myself thinking its ok, we can do this for a few weeks, a few days, etc. Or like its fine, Ill just go buy cigs, its ok cuz its not dip. etc. Fuck that though. I dont want to make any kinds of excuses or alterations or come up with alternatives. Im sitting here telling myself I can do this but I honestly cant in good faith say that a week from now I wont be dipping. Im unable tow rap my mindset around how you are able to guarantee in a year or whatever you wont be dipping. That mentally does not make sense to me, as in I physically cant understand that.
So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours.
ODAAT
One day at a time.
That’s the manageable increment we go with. Today.
Today... you can quit.
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Fuck it. been heavily reading all the posts here. Arguing or something of the sort over on my original introduction thread. Fuck all that. Im fucking pissed. Pissed at nicotine. Pissed at my past. Pissed at myself. Everyone is right. Excuses, that's all it fucking is. All it ever was. Im motherfucking sick of being addicted to this shit. And I already dont like the hivemind here, but fuck it, I clearly cant do this shit on my own. And through the midst of all the garbage I dont care for here, I can see the message everyone is trying to get across.
Something thats always always bugged me, is that "people dont care" about your problems. Something dawned on me earlier that you all have tons and tons of people here taking the time to help people actually quit and stay quit. Maybe this KTC shit willa ctually work for me i dont know. I know for fucking sure that im in one terrible pissed off mood right now. I do not want to go cold turkey, I dont want to fucking quit. I just want to keep chewing and chewing and chewing. But I know thats not really me, thats the nicotine talking. Its like a fucking mindjacking alien. Fuck that alien.
I know Im gonna fuck up, stumble, and will probably be the weakest counterpart of whatever group Im in. But god dammit Im at my wits end, and I am humbled by my lack of willpower. So im gonna try the KTC way, cuz I dont know what else to do anymore.
1... Stick to your original intro. A mod will fix that for you. Each person only gets one.
2... Pissed off is good. Very good. This garbage drug is stealing your health, your money, your integrity, your personality... everything. Pissed off is very good. You’re the top of the food chain... stop letting yourself be owned by it.
3... No trying. No hoping. Own your decision bro. You’re not any more addicted than I was. I chewed for 25 years and was doing 2 cans a day for a good damn chunk of it. Dude... that’s epic junkie level status right there. How did I do this? I wanted to. Plain and simple. I wanted to quit more than I wanted to chew. I. Fucking. Owned. It. I got involved here... I got phone numbers... I talked to people... I helped people... I raged against the machine...
I worked it.
Your mindset has to change.
There is NO option to stumble. You don’t get to cave and try again. That’s not how it works.
Own. Your. Decision.
Be better than what you’re addicted to.
You can do this.
Ask me how I know.
I was you.
AJ... 2,567 days of freedom
Already Ive caught myself thinking its ok, we can do this for a few weeks, a few days, etc. Or like its fine, Ill just go buy cigs, its ok cuz its not dip. etc. Fuck that though. I dont want to make any kinds of excuses or alterations or come up with alternatives. Im sitting here telling myself I can do this but I honestly cant in good faith say that a week from now I wont be dipping. Im unable tow rap my mindset around how you are able to guarantee in a year or whatever you wont be dipping. That mentally does not make sense to me, as in I physically cant understand that.
So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours.
ODAAT
One day at a time.
That’s the manageable increment we go with. Today.
Today... you can quit.
@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) I have merged your Intros. Each quitter is allowed 1 so please don’t start another one.
Your addiction and the nicotine is scaring you and causing you to not want to quit. Quitting does suck for a while and then it doesn’t. Quitting isn’t easy. But quitting is the most rewarding thing I might have ever done. Don’t get me wrong, I am still an addict and I still quit one day at a time but the freedom I have is amazing. You will receive accountability and brother/sisterhood from fellow quitters. Check your messages as fellow quitters will be reaching out. I just sent you my digits if you want extra accountability. We can partner in this fight against nicotine and stay quit ODAAT.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) absolutely nobody is going to stop you from cheating. There is no KTC police that watches you to make sure you aren't packing your face with poison. That being said, KTC works because we are men and women of our words and operating with honesty and integrity. Lot of people here didn't necessarily want to quit when they made the leap but they trust the process and dove in headfirst. A common phrase you will hear around here is "all we have is our word". When you post roll each and every morning when you wake up, you are making a promise to yourself and to the entire KTC community that you will do whatever it takes to be nicotine free for the next 24 hours. You honor that word and keep yourself honest by sharing digits with your fellow quitters and reaching out via text or phone calls when you are craving or shit is getting tough. You grind it out 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 30 minutes or 1 hour at a time and honor your word. If you fuck up and come back here lying, pretending nothing happened, that will get you banned from the site. Losing the credibility of your word is a tough thing to regain so think carefully before your jeopardize it.
No one here "indulges from time to time" because we have given our word and honor that promise. We have learned to loathe nicotine in every form since it does nothing but steal our freedom, our money, our health as well as injure our relationships. 1 problem + nicotine = 2 problems. You have to stop fantasizing about a chemical that is holding you hostage and trying to kill you.
And a final note, what would be the point of a bunch of people on a free internet forum for quitting nicotine to hang out here if we have been lying and using? Why would we waste our time trying to help stubborn people like you while using? We practice what we preach. We have been in your shoes and know how difficult and daunting it is. We know the craves, the struggles, the mind games. We just can't quit for you - you have to quit for yourself and let us help along the way.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) absolutely nobody is going to stop you from cheating. There is no KTC police that watches you to make sure you aren't packing your face with poison. That being said, KTC works because we are men and women of our words and operating with honesty and integrity. Lot of people here didn't necessarily want to quit when they made the leap but they trust the process and dove in headfirst. A common phrase you will hear around here is "all we have is our word". When you post roll each and every morning when you wake up, you are making a promise to yourself and to the entire KTC community that you will do whatever it takes to be nicotine free for the next 24 hours. You honor that word and keep yourself honest by sharing digits with your fellow quitters and reaching out via text or phone calls when you are craving or shit is getting tough. You grind it out 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 30 minutes or 1 hour at a time and honor your word. If you fuck up and come back here lying, pretending nothing happened, that will get you banned from the site. Losing the credibility of your word is a tough thing to regain so think carefully before your jeopardize it.
No one here "indulges from time to time" because we have given our word and honor that promise. We have learned to loathe nicotine in every form since it does nothing but steal our freedom, our money, our health as well as injure our relationships. 1 problem + nicotine = 2 problems. You have to stop fantasizing about a chemical that is holding you hostage and trying to kill you.
And a final note, what would be the point of a bunch of people on a free internet forum for quitting nicotine to hang out here if we have been lying and using? Why would we waste our time trying to help stubborn people like you while using? We practice what we preach. We have been in your shoes and know how difficult and daunting it is. We know the craves, the struggles, the mind games. We just can't quit for you - you have to quit for yourself and let us help along the way.
Posted day 1 roll yesterday...
Caved same day.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
@DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) absolutely nobody is going to stop you from cheating. There is no KTC police that watches you to make sure you aren't packing your face with poison. That being said, KTC works because we are men and women of our words and operating with honesty and integrity. Lot of people here didn't necessarily want to quit when they made the leap but they trust the process and dove in headfirst. A common phrase you will hear around here is "all we have is our word". When you post roll each and every morning when you wake up, you are making a promise to yourself and to the entire KTC community that you will do whatever it takes to be nicotine free for the next 24 hours. You honor that word and keep yourself honest by sharing digits with your fellow quitters and reaching out via text or phone calls when you are craving or shit is getting tough. You grind it out 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 30 minutes or 1 hour at a time and honor your word. If you fuck up and come back here lying, pretending nothing happened, that will get you banned from the site. Losing the credibility of your word is a tough thing to regain so think carefully before your jeopardize it.
No one here "indulges from time to time" because we have given our word and honor that promise. We have learned to loathe nicotine in every form since it does nothing but steal our freedom, our money, our health as well as injure our relationships. 1 problem + nicotine = 2 problems. You have to stop fantasizing about a chemical that is holding you hostage and trying to kill you.
And a final note, what would be the point of a bunch of people on a free internet forum for quitting nicotine to hang out here if we have been lying and using? Why would we waste our time trying to help stubborn people like you while using? We practice what we preach. We have been in your shoes and know how difficult and daunting it is. We know the craves, the struggles, the mind games. We just can't quit for you - you have to quit for yourself and let us help along the way.
This is great and applicable for all people struggling with quitting. @MNxEngineer314 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=21) bump
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"So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours."
That is the goal brother. ODAAT. You can do it, be true to yourself and get in the quitter's mindset.
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"So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours."
That is the goal brother. ODAAT. You can do it, be true to yourself and get in the quitter's mindset.
He IS being true to himself...
He’s too in love with his addiction and isn’t man enough to strap in and ride it out.
He posted day 1 and then caved later in the day.
Bye.
I tried with this cat all day yesterday. Gave him quit gold all damn day. Yet... he gave in.
This place isn’t for him to “try” again.
Hell. No.
Bye.
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"So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours."
That is the goal brother. ODAAT. You can do it, be true to yourself and get in the quitter's mindset.
He IS being true to himself...
He’s too in love with his addiction and isn’t man enough to strap in and ride it out.
He posted day 1 and then caved later in the day.
Bye.
I tried with this cat all day yesterday. Gave him quit gold all damn day. Yet... he gave in.
This place isn’t for him to “try” again.
Hell. No.
Bye.
Same here AJ. Called him multiple times and texted with for. A good part of the day. It is sad. He really doesn’t want to quit.
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"So instead my goal for today is to go 24 hours without. Tommorrow, I will make the goal, another 24 hours."
That is the goal brother. ODAAT. You can do it, be true to yourself and get in the quitter's mindset.
He IS being true to himself...
He’s too in love with his addiction and isn’t man enough to strap in and ride it out.
He posted day 1 and then caved later in the day.
Bye.
I tried with this cat all day yesterday. Gave him quit gold all damn day. Yet... he gave in.
This place isn’t for him to “try” again.
Hell. No.
Bye.
Same here AJ. Called him multiple times and texted with for. A good part of the day. It is sad. He really doesn’t want to quit.
His intro is overflowing with bullshit. AppleJack nailed it by saying DirtRoad is too much in love with his addiction. A couple people like that come through here every year. It's like they lose their true selves. Their addiction swallows them completely. Most of us come here feeling like prisoners...owned and controlled, but there is a defiant fucker in us who wants to make a jail break. We know what freedom means and, even though we think we are going to fall apart or somehow die trying to achieve it, we are ready to take that risk. DirtRoad enjoys his cell... he gets his 3 meals a day, has a roof over his head, and nothing much is asked of him, so he is willing to take any abuse, abuse himself, and convince himself that he loves it. Hell, we all did that for a long time, but sooner or later integrity came calling and we knew what we had to do. Find that little atom of defiant fucker you still have left in there, somewhere, and ask it what it wants.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
Because you’d have to be a total psychopath to continue to post a fraudulent number. All you’d be doing is coming to this site and lying to yourself and others day in and day out, for zero gain. I’m sure that there are people who have done this, but I have to believe that they get tired of it and drift away pretty damn fast. Like what would you possibly have to gain by lying about your quit date? It’s not like you get paid by tenure here or something.
Beside, most people don’t like to lie. Lying like that would make most humans feel like a piece of shit. Would you not feel like a piece of shit if you told a lie every day?
The people posting here every day actually want to quit. That’s kind of the purpose of this whole thing. Lying, fighting and trying to buck the system really only hurts your chances of being successful. You are more than welcome to try it your way, have at it hoss. We’ll be here quitting every day if you ever decide to get serious.
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Alright, lets say I do join the cult. Whats gonna stop me from cheating? What actual accountability is there? I can easily see myself having a moment of weakness and dipping still. Im sure my words have been spoken a million times here before, but like stressful job + local culture + lack of willpower, how the fuck do you actually have accountability for that to keep people from lying and being honest? How do I know that my group doesnt have a bunch of lyers in it telling me, hell, how do I know that anyone here is being truthful theyve actually quit, or dont indulge from time to time?
Because you’d have to be a total psychopath to continue to post a fraudulent number. All you’d be doing is coming to this site and lying to yourself and others day in and day out, for zero gain. I’m sure that there are people who have done this, but I have to believe that they get tired of it and drift away pretty damn fast. Like what would you possibly have to gain by lying about your quit date? It’s not like you get paid by tenure here or something.
Beside, most people don’t like to lie. Lying like that would make most humans feel like a piece of shit. Would you not feel like a piece of shit if you told a lie every day?
The people posting here every day actually want to quit. That’s kind of the purpose of this whole thing. Lying, fighting and trying to buck the system really only hurts your chances of being successful. You are more than welcome to try it your way, have at it hoss. We’ll be here quitting every day if you ever decide to get serious.
Mic drop motha fucka! 'clap' 'clap' 'clap'
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Yea, I joined KTC for about a day, and then quickly realized the kind of charlatans these people were.
I too, was just like you, sitting there reading about all these success stories, all these amazing recovery stories. I too thought drinking the kool-aid was worth it in the end if it meant I could quit.
Holy Fuck was I wrong.
The real truth about this place is you arent joining a loving family, youre joining a cult. A cult filled with alpha males hopped up on too much testorone, acting like gods gifts to men. That sentence alone should scare you.
Im not the only one out there that has realized the joke that KTC is. Go digging around on the internet, and you will find many stories of ex-members who tell the same tales of being treated like garbage, mocked, ridiculed, flogged and beaten.
KTC likes to tout their "high success rate", but many of the members are habitual at lieing. Dig around the forum and you will find many contradicting posts from members. Its right there out in the open, plain as day the deceit that is rampant here, to anyone who has half a mind to actually be able to think for themselves.
But thats not why youre here right? Youre unable to think on your own, so you figure joining a flock of sheep is the only way to quit.
I quit. Quit on my own. I caved day 1. And I received more foul messages from "outstanding quitters" in one day, then Ive received in my entire life for anything else. Talk about double standards.
After that, I quit drinking the kool-aid before I lost my soul to it. So I quit on my own again, and I still remain nicotine free. Do yourself a favor and dont join the cult.
Like my grandpa always said, "Theres more honor and pride in doing something on your own, then following the flock."
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Hey @DirtRoad89 (https://ktcforum.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17426) if this place is so horrible, why do you keep coming back? To troll? I will tell you this one time and one time only, you get ONE intro per quitter. This one will now be merged with your previous one. Create any more and there will be administrative review.
Buh bye
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Yea, I joined KTC for about a day, and then quickly realized the kind of charlatans these people were.
I too, was just like you, sitting there reading about all these success stories, all these amazing recovery stories. I too thought drinking the kool-aid was worth it in the end if it meant I could quit.
Holy Fuck was I wrong.
The real truth about this place is you arent joining a loving family, youre joining a cult. A cult filled with alpha males hopped up on too much testorone, acting like gods gifts to men. That sentence alone should scare you.
Im not the only one out there that has realized the joke that KTC is. Go digging around on the internet, and you will find many stories of ex-members who tell the same tales of being treated like garbage, mocked, ridiculed, flogged and beaten.
KTC likes to tout their "high success rate", but many of the members are habitual at lieing. Dig around the forum and you will find many contradicting posts from members. Its right there out in the open, plain as day the deceit that is rampant here, to anyone who has half a mind to actually be able to think for themselves.
But thats not why youre here right? Youre unable to think on your own, so you figure joining a flock of sheep is the only way to quit.
I quit. Quit on my own. I caved day 1. And I received more foul messages from "outstanding quitters" in one day, then Ive received in my entire life for anything else. Talk about double standards.
After that, I quit drinking the kool-aid before I lost my soul to it. So I quit on my own again, and I still remain nicotine free. Do yourself a favor and dont join the cult.
Like my grandpa always said, "Theres more honor and pride in doing something on your own, then following the flock."
Speaking to any prospective quitters that are reading this, rather than to DirtRoad, who is almost certainly not a “real” quitter, but someone who has been here before and came back with an obvious agenda to try to make us look bad, I will say he got one thing right.
KTC is not a family. Your family will love you unconditionally, will pat you on the back and hug you through your failures and post your drawings up on the fridge, even when they look like they’ve been drawn by a chimpanzee with a learning disability. KTC is not that. KTC is a system with the specific mandate of helping individuals defeat their addiction to a deadly chemical.
The love and support here absolutely come with conditions. Those conditions are pretty simple and if you maintain them, there is a ceaseless supply of support, encouragement and genuine friendship. However, that is predicated on you holding up your end of the bargain. Post your promise every day, keep your word and then do it again tomorrow. That is how we quit. That is how I was able to cross my four year mark the other day and that is how thousands of others have been able to break the cycle of failure and addiction.
Failure, deception and obstinance are simply not acceptable. If you don’t like the way things are done here, that’s totally ok, you live in a free country and can take your quit attempts elsewhere. We’re not changing what works for us to appease your sensibilities.
I will repeat so it’s really clear: This is not a family, this is a program dedicated to defeating addiction to nicotine. If you aren’t committed to quitting nicotine, don’t waste your time or mine by spending another minute here. However, if you are willing to put in the work and freedom is something that you truly want for yourself, this system is the best way that I’ve found to achieve it.
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Yea, I joined KTC for about a day, and then quickly realized the kind of charlatans these people were.
I too, was just like you, sitting there reading about all these success stories, all these amazing recovery stories. I too thought drinking the kool-aid was worth it in the end if it meant I could quit.
Holy Fuck was I wrong.
The real truth about this place is you arent joining a loving family, youre joining a cult. A cult filled with alpha males hopped up on too much testorone, acting like gods gifts to men. That sentence alone should scare you.
Im not the only one out there that has realized the joke that KTC is. Go digging around on the internet, and you will find many stories of ex-members who tell the same tales of being treated like garbage, mocked, ridiculed, flogged and beaten.
KTC likes to tout their "high success rate", but many of the members are habitual at lieing. Dig around the forum and you will find many contradicting posts from members. Its right there out in the open, plain as day the deceit that is rampant here, to anyone who has half a mind to actually be able to think for themselves.
But thats not why youre here right? Youre unable to think on your own, so you figure joining a flock of sheep is the only way to quit.
I quit. Quit on my own. I caved day 1. And I received more foul messages from "outstanding quitters" in one day, then Ive received in my entire life for anything else. Talk about double standards.
After that, I quit drinking the kool-aid before I lost my soul to it. So I quit on my own again, and I still remain nicotine free. Do yourself a favor and dont join the cult.
Like my grandpa always said, "Theres more honor and pride in doing something on your own, then following the flock."
Speaking to any prospective quitters that are reading this, rather than to DirtRoad, who is almost certainly not a “real” quitter, but someone who has been here before and came back with an obvious agenda to try to make us look bad, I will say he got one thing right.
KTC is not a family. Your family will love you unconditionally, will pat you on the back and hug you through your failures and post your drawings up on the fridge, even when they look like they’ve been drawn by a chimpanzee with a learning disability. KTC is not that. KTC is a system with the specific mandate of helping individuals defeat their addiction to a deadly chemical.
The love and support here absolutely come with conditions. Those conditions are pretty simple and if you maintain them, there is a ceaseless supply of support, encouragement and genuine friendship. However, that is predicated on you holding up your end of the bargain. Post your promise every day, keep your word and then do it again tomorrow. That is how we quit. That is how I was able to cross my four year mark the other day and that is how thousands of others have been able to break the cycle of failure and addiction.
Failure, deception and obstinance are simply not acceptable. If you don’t like the way things are done here, that’s totally ok, you live in a free country and can take your quit attempts elsewhere. We’re not changing what works for us to appease your sensibilities.
I will repeat so it’s really clear: This is not a family, this is a program dedicated to defeating addiction to nicotine. If you aren’t committed to quitting nicotine, don’t waste your time or mine by spending another minute here. However, if you are willing to put in the work and freedom is something that you truly want for yourself, this system is the best way that I’ve found to achieve it.
Unbelievably well said PKY. Only thing you regretted to include was the mic drop and the PERIOD.
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Yea, I joined KTC for about a day, and then quickly realized the kind of charlatans these people were.
I too, was just like you, sitting there reading about all these success stories, all these amazing recovery stories. I too thought drinking the kool-aid was worth it in the end if it meant I could quit.
Holy Fuck was I wrong.
The real truth about this place is you arent joining a loving family, youre joining a cult. A cult filled with alpha males hopped up on too much testorone, acting like gods gifts to men. That sentence alone should scare you.
Im not the only one out there that has realized the joke that KTC is. Go digging around on the internet, and you will find many stories of ex-members who tell the same tales of being treated like garbage, mocked, ridiculed, flogged and beaten.
KTC likes to tout their "high success rate", but many of the members are habitual at lieing. Dig around the forum and you will find many contradicting posts from members. Its right there out in the open, plain as day the deceit that is rampant here, to anyone who has half a mind to actually be able to think for themselves.
But thats not why youre here right? Youre unable to think on your own, so you figure joining a flock of sheep is the only way to quit.
I quit. Quit on my own. I caved day 1. And I received more foul messages from "outstanding quitters" in one day, then Ive received in my entire life for anything else. Talk about double standards.
After that, I quit drinking the kool-aid before I lost my soul to it. So I quit on my own again, and I still remain nicotine free. Do yourself a favor and dont join the cult.
Like my grandpa always said, "Theres more honor and pride in doing something on your own, then following the flock."
Speaking to any prospective quitters that are reading this, rather than to DirtRoad, who is almost certainly not a “real” quitter, but someone who has been here before and came back with an obvious agenda to try to make us look bad, I will say he got one thing right.
KTC is not a family. Your family will love you unconditionally, will pat you on the back and hug you through your failures and post your drawings up on the fridge, even when they look like they’ve been drawn by a chimpanzee with a learning disability. KTC is not that. KTC is a system with the specific mandate of helping individuals defeat their addiction to a deadly chemical.
The love and support here absolutely come with conditions. Those conditions are pretty simple and if you maintain them, there is a ceaseless supply of support, encouragement and genuine friendship. However, that is predicated on you holding up your end of the bargain. Post your promise every day, keep your word and then do it again tomorrow. That is how we quit. That is how I was able to cross my four year mark the other day and that is how thousands of others have been able to break the cycle of failure and addiction.
Failure, deception and obstinance are simply not acceptable. If you don’t like the way things are done here, that’s totally ok, you live in a free country and can take your quit attempts elsewhere. We’re not changing what works for us to appease your sensibilities.
I will repeat so it’s really clear: This is not a family, this is a program dedicated to defeating addiction to nicotine. If you aren’t committed to quitting nicotine, don’t waste your time or mine by spending another minute here. However, if you are willing to put in the work and freedom is something that you truly want for yourself, this system is the best way that I’ve found to achieve it.
Unbelievably well said PKY. Only thing you regretted to include was the mic drop and the PERIOD.
There’s nothing special or fraudulent about any of us. We all come from different backgrounds, careers, and educations. We all have our struggles, challenges, and short-comings in life. I wish we were graced with luck and had it easy, but the truth is we all are dealing with some problem or challenge, whether it’s big or small. The one thing we all do have in common though: we all choose to quit one day at a time. We all know that nicotine will not help our other problems disappear, in fact all nicotine does is create another problem we have to deal with. We all choose not to create another problem. What are you going to choose for yourself? I don’t care if you stay with KTC, but I hope the best for you and that eventually you do break your addiction. If you would like to use the information here, you can still do that even without posting. There’s some valuable insight here that has definitely helped me in my quit. I would recommend you post another day 1 because that’s what worked for me, but do what you think is best for you and whether that means KTC isn’t going to work for you or you start posting, just make the right decision for yourself.