Nicotine has left the building

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I owe too large a debt to stop paying it forward or backward!

:ph43r: sadly shakes his bowed head and wonders where is the outcry from Nov 13?

You are right CBird. This deserves attention from the November '13 Skydivers. I signed up to post roll after 100 and then after 200 and will promise to post roll after 300. Why you ask ?? Because this is one road that I will not go alone. I witnessed some close friends cave along the way. I watched paddymac post roll and admitted to using at the same time. I saw dabean take the reigns and lead the train. I read about Zak stirring the group with drama and at the same time I enjoyed every minute of the suck and turmoil that seemed to encircle my group. One time I accidently "bumped" dabean from roll call. It happens. Learning to post roll in the beginning is a challenge in itself. Bean, you have been an inspiration to me and others. So, from one badass to another, get your head back on and post roll today. You can thank me later.

[Minny]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

Completely agree with J2B, but with a minor tweak.
I do think it is entirely possible to leave KTC and remain quit. But I think that decision point is when you the quitter reach 100% confidence in your ability to quit on your own with no peer accountability. Not 90%, not 95%, not 99.5%. If there remains any chance of failure, you are not ready. If you find you leave and drop below 100%, it is time to get your ass back in here.
J2B is right, the rationale dabean wrote is addict babble. An excuse. Can a caver impact other quitters? Sure, they piss me off for not battling like everyone else and for failing/lying to themselves. Can they weaken my quit? No, I won't relinquish that power to them, I am in charge of my quit. Period.
dabean, if you 100% certain go for it. If not, consider sticking around...
But the reasons you gave for withdrawing are simply not valid...

Dean and I texted before I read this thread and though I don't hold the same view he does, I understood and respected his decision. When I asked him to come to KTC, I asked him for just 100 days and he promised that. I really didn't know if he would go to 200 because though he's loved the community, and is very serious about his quit, it's not something he foresaw himself doing forever. I was hoping as he stayed and settled in, he would find a quiet comfort in staying.

I'm sad he will be leaving and honestly, I hope he reconsiders too.

I got on tonight to look at the thread expecting to be pissed off at members looking for blood. If this thread were directed right at me I think I'd have trouble reading it clearly and seeing the true care behind the words but I do see it. Frankly, I'm really touched by it.

Dean, some of the finest quitters on this site have come here to say "Reconsider. Don't go." It probably feels like a dog pile but it's not. I've seen a couple dog piles. I've seen things that have made me cringe and thought no wonder someone is leaving. This isn't that. This is genuine care and sadness. This reminds me when jrizzle left (that one still stings).

I quoted T-Cell here because I think he's spot on and true. The only reason to leave is if you are 100% certain you can make it on your own. And respectfully little bro, I think it's too early for you. Some of my strongest craves have happened in the 200's.

I know you don't want to stay here forever. No judgment. And I do believe you are quit. But I just think you need to stay a little longer. Can you commit to one year? Try just posting and running for awhile. I know it feels pointless and why bother but can you just try it? I want you to experience one good crave while doing that and then let me know if that little act made a difference for you.

You put a lot of pressure on yourself. It's okay to be selfish for a bit and just post your number and leave. Just you being here is enough though. If you say no, I still respect that cause I do know you and know you would text me if you ran into a problem. But I think there is value in staying at least to the one year mark.

Much love to you.

Either ya get KTC or ya don't. I think we all see what happens when ya dont

I really will miss having my brother DaBean here all the time. The man has helped me through some tough times. I want him to know that he is and always will be my brother and not just in quit. For all you dicked up folks that are giving hell how about this 'Finger'. Hey brother Dean Hang loose and hang in. Keep in touch on the phone. Here's to you and to NAFAR!

Again all you haters - get the hell over yourselves. You ain't the reason we quit, you are help but not mom .. if we needed this much grief we wouldn't have come here; we have wives for that shit.

'bang head' Dang it, I tried my best to sink this thread and even had it off the front page.

Buh bye, see ya, take a hike and beat it. I can't believe your self-absorbed attention grabbing BS actually got you the "oh, please please PLEASE stay" drama that you were looking for.

:deadhorse:

[BearHawk]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

Completely agree with J2B, but with a minor tweak.
I do think it is entirely possible to leave KTC and remain quit. But I think that decision point is when you the quitter reach 100% confidence in your ability to quit on your own with no peer accountability. Not 90%, not 95%, not 99.5%. If there remains any chance of failure, you are not ready. If you find you leave and drop below 100%, it is time to get your ass back in here.
J2B is right, the rationale dabean wrote is addict babble. An excuse. Can a caver impact other quitters? Sure, they piss me off for not battling like everyone else and for failing/lying to themselves. Can they weaken my quit? No, I won't relinquish that power to them, I am in charge of my quit. Period.
dabean, if you 100% certain go for it. If not, consider sticking around...
But the reasons you gave for withdrawing are simply not valid...

Dean and I texted before I read this thread and though I don't hold the same view he does, I understood and respected his decision. When I asked him to come to KTC, I asked him for just 100 days and he promised that. I really didn't know if he would go to 200 because though he's loved the community, and is very serious about his quit, it's not something he foresaw himself doing forever. I was hoping as he stayed and settled in, he would find a quiet comfort in staying.

I'm sad he will be leaving and honestly, I hope he reconsiders too.

I got on tonight to look at the thread expecting to be pissed off at members looking for blood. If this thread were directed right at me I think I'd have trouble reading it clearly and seeing the true care behind the words but I do see it. Frankly, I'm really touched by it.

Dean, some of the finest quitters on this site have come here to say "Reconsider. Don't go." It probably feels like a dog pile but it's not. I've seen a couple dog piles. I've seen things that have made me cringe and thought no wonder someone is leaving. This isn't that. This is genuine care and sadness. This reminds me when jrizzle left (that one still stings).

I quoted T-Cell here because I think he's spot on and true. The only reason to leave is if you are 100% certain you can make it on your own. And respectfully little bro, I think it's too early for you. Some of my strongest craves have happened in the 200's.

I know you don't want to stay here forever. No judgment. And I do believe you are quit. But I just think you need to stay a little longer. Can you commit to one year? Try just posting and running for awhile. I know it feels pointless and why bother but can you just try it? I want you to experience one good crave while doing that and then let me know if that little act made a difference for you.

You put a lot of pressure on yourself. It's okay to be selfish for a bit and just post your number and leave. Just you being here is enough though. If you say no, I still respect that cause I do know you and know you would text me if you ran into a problem. But I think there is value in staying at least to the one year mark.

Much love to you.

Either ya get KTC or ya don't. I think we all see what happens when ya dont

I really will miss having my brother DaBean here all the time. The man has helped me through some tough times. I want him to know that he is and always will be my brother and not just in quit. For all you dicked up folks that are giving hell how about this 'Finger'. Hey brother Dean Hang loose and hang in. Keep in touch on the phone. Here's to you and to NAFAR!

Again all you haters - get the hell over yourselves. You ain't the reason we quit, you are help but not mom .. if we needed this much grief we wouldn't have come here; we have wives for that shit.

[cbird65]

I owe too large a debt to stop paying it forward or backward!

:ph43r: sadly shakes his bowed head and wonders where is the outcry from Nov 13?

[duathman]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

Completely agree with J2B, but with a minor tweak.
I do think it is entirely possible to leave KTC and remain quit. But I think that decision point is when you the quitter reach 100% confidence in your ability to quit on your own with no peer accountability. Not 90%, not 95%, not 99.5%. If there remains any chance of failure, you are not ready. If you find you leave and drop below 100%, it is time to get your ass back in here.
J2B is right, the rationale dabean wrote is addict babble. An excuse. Can a caver impact other quitters? Sure, they piss me off for not battling like everyone else and for failing/lying to themselves. Can they weaken my quit? No, I won't relinquish that power to them, I am in charge of my quit. Period.
dabean, if you 100% certain go for it. If not, consider sticking around...
But the reasons you gave for withdrawing are simply not valid...

Dean and I texted before I read this thread and though I don't hold the same view he does, I understood and respected his decision. When I asked him to come to KTC, I asked him for just 100 days and he promised that. I really didn't know if he would go to 200 because though he's loved the community, and is very serious about his quit, it's not something he foresaw himself doing forever. I was hoping as he stayed and settled in, he would find a quiet comfort in staying.

I'm sad he will be leaving and honestly, I hope he reconsiders too.

I got on tonight to look at the thread expecting to be pissed off at members looking for blood. If this thread were directed right at me I think I'd have trouble reading it clearly and seeing the true care behind the words but I do see it. Frankly, I'm really touched by it.

Dean, some of the finest quitters on this site have come here to say "Reconsider. Don't go." It probably feels like a dog pile but it's not. I've seen a couple dog piles. I've seen things that have made me cringe and thought no wonder someone is leaving. This isn't that. This is genuine care and sadness. This reminds me when jrizzle left (that one still stings).

I quoted T-Cell here because I think he's spot on and true. The only reason to leave is if you are 100% certain you can make it on your own. And respectfully little bro, I think it's too early for you. Some of my strongest craves have happened in the 200's.

I know you don't want to stay here forever. No judgment. And I do believe you are quit. But I just think you need to stay a little longer. Can you commit to one year? Try just posting and running for awhile. I know it feels pointless and why bother but can you just try it? I want you to experience one good crave while doing that and then let me know if that little act made a difference for you.

You put a lot of pressure on yourself. It's okay to be selfish for a bit and just post your number and leave. Just you being here is enough though. If you say no, I still respect that cause I do know you and know you would text me if you ran into a problem. But I think there is value in staying at least to the one year mark.

Much love to you.

Either ya get KTC or ya don't. I think we all see what happens when ya dont

[LionHeartedGirl]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

Completely agree with J2B, but with a minor tweak.
I do think it is entirely possible to leave KTC and remain quit. But I think that decision point is when you the quitter reach 100% confidence in your ability to quit on your own with no peer accountability. Not 90%, not 95%, not 99.5%. If there remains any chance of failure, you are not ready. If you find you leave and drop below 100%, it is time to get your ass back in here.
J2B is right, the rationale dabean wrote is addict babble. An excuse. Can a caver impact other quitters? Sure, they piss me off for not battling like everyone else and for failing/lying to themselves. Can they weaken my quit? No, I won't relinquish that power to them, I am in charge of my quit. Period.
dabean, if you 100% certain go for it. If not, consider sticking around...
But the reasons you gave for withdrawing are simply not valid...

Dean and I texted before I read this thread and though I don't hold the same view he does, I understood and respected his decision. When I asked him to come to KTC, I asked him for just 100 days and he promised that. I really didn't know if he would go to 200 because though he's loved the community, and is very serious about his quit, it's not something he foresaw himself doing forever. I was hoping as he stayed and settled in, he would find a quiet comfort in staying.

I'm sad he will be leaving and honestly, I hope he reconsiders too.

I got on tonight to look at the thread expecting to be pissed off at members looking for blood. If this thread were directed right at me I think I'd have trouble reading it clearly and seeing the true care behind the words but I do see it. Frankly, I'm really touched by it.

Dean, some of the finest quitters on this site have come here to say "Reconsider. Don't go." It probably feels like a dog pile but it's not. I've seen a couple dog piles. I've seen things that have made me cringe and thought no wonder someone is leaving. This isn't that. This is genuine care and sadness. This reminds me when jrizzle left (that one still stings).

I quoted T-Cell here because I think he's spot on and true. The only reason to leave is if you are 100% certain you can make it on your own. And respectfully little bro, I think it's too early for you. Some of my strongest craves have happened in the 200's.

I know you don't want to stay here forever. No judgment. And I do believe you are quit. But I just think you need to stay a little longer. Can you commit to one year? Try just posting and running for awhile. I know it feels pointless and why bother but can you just try it? I want you to experience one good crave while doing that and then let me know if that little act made a difference for you.

You put a lot of pressure on yourself. It's okay to be selfish for a bit and just post your number and leave. Just you being here is enough though. If you say no, I still respect that cause I do know you and know you would text me if you ran into a problem. But I think there is value in staying at least to the one year mark.

Much love to you.

[B-loMatt]

I was going to read all the back story and give some encouragement type argument for you to stick b/c I watched your quit from day 1 and like you and really respect LHG, but you know what? 200 days or whatever, you don't want to keep your tools sharp, and you don't want to keep doing what got you here, then I am not wasting my time beyond saying this. There is someone out there needs some words more than you... Good luck.

[worktowin]

I'm not sure why you are telling everyone here that you are done posting roll.  That is your choice.  Are you giving us the big ....  'Finger' ????  Either this works for you, or it doesn't.  Sounds like you are all done.  Got your 200 days  you are ready to tackle this on your own.  I hope that works for you.

I will tell you that you need to worry about your quit FIRST.  Letting all the failures from your group impact your quit is not where you need to be.  I don't know why you got all tangled up in those disaster quits anyhow... sometimes when someone flames out you just need to get out of the way  let them do their business.

What is holding accountable? 
To me, it is me posting roll EDD and honoring my word for that day.  I am accountable to those that choose to post roll.  I am accountable to people outside of September 2013 as well.  If someone chooses to not post roll... that will not impact my quit  what I do.  I am in charge of myself and that is what I need to handle.  All others know how this works and they choose your fate.  Getting mad and obsessing about the ability to impose your will on someone else is a recipe for failure.

In the end... this is about being quit.  I do it by posting roll EDD, honoring my word, giving what I can to help others... then I do it again the next day. 

This is not for everyone, but I know it works.  243 days of badass quit proves it.  You do what you want, brother.

Damn, Out of respect for LHG I was gonna stay out of this because I tend to be an asshole. But I want to put my two cents is.....

Sounds like complacency to me. After 200 days you damn sure aren't cured. If you think that not having a crave after 100 days means you are free then you missed the entire mark here for the last 200 days. Sounds like you missed it anyway. See, I got complacent around 170-180 days (I would have to look it up to know the real day count), and I started to feel like I was putting too much time into KTC after being a conductor myself. THEN I felt like My group was losing touch with each other. (this all sounds familiar right?) In general, I was out of touch and had forgotten what I was doing and why I was here! Guess what happened? I posted a new day 1! And I would have argued before the day I caved that it could not happen. I was a 100% poster! (until a few weeks before my cave) I was good. See all that I had contributed here? It was worthless the moment I walked away. I sealed my own fate. Good news is that you can come back here if you find that you are wrong and need to post a new day 1. But why do that? It sucks. The shame and the hurt you cause your brothers here. Stick around. Add up your +1's. And then you can look back and be grateful that you dodged a mistake. Just my 2 cents...... I have experience!

Jake Frawley is a bad ass. Jake Frawley was a conductor and very active member of this community. After about 200 days he didn't need this community any more! Stopped posting. Stopped responding to texts. That didn't go so well. But he came back and took a different approach. Stopped and listened, took it all in.

I would listen to Jake if I were you, but as the self proclaimed leader of November 2013 (good memory here) I would also feel guilt about abandoning ship. Maybe that is just me? Think about it... When you put yourself in a leadership position, YOU OWE IT TO OTHERS TO BE THE EXAMPLE.

Go back and read Jakes thread if you can tear yourself away from the Olympics for a minute. Lots of similarities.....

[Diesel2112]

Nice look at me" walk-off. Reminiscent of LeBron and "The decision". A truly duchy move. Not only that you are leaving but your skewed view of yourself, I was waiting for you to go 3rd person. You care more and too much...than who???? Is there a care-o-meter I'm not aware of?

You will post role on behalf of others and MAYBE even post role yourself??!!! Ewwwwwee. You're my hero!!!

200 days. That is a great accomplishment, I would never say otherwise.

I guess for the elite like yourself that's enough time to go lone wolf.

But...if you ever get weak, crave and consider caving, then you will come crawling back. Gee, that's mighty gracious of you.

The best part is that if you do, we will help you. Not bail on you.

Novel concept, eh?

[RAZD611]

No man is so foolish but he may sometimes give another good counsel, and no man so wise that he may not easily err if he takes no other counsel than his own. He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master.

Hunter S. Thompson

[Spartanron]

:scowick:

Moving on

[Ron_Cross]

I choose to post roll every day. It's as normal as taking a dump or having a cup of coffee. Why do I continue to do this well into my 4th year of freedom from this addiction? For you newbies out there, I'll tell you.

1. I do it for myself. I know from being around this site for so long that posting roll is the cornerstone of a person's quit. It is EVERYTHING in the beginning and is a sense of comfort as you progress years into your quit. I'm 99.99% sure that I will NEVER, EVER use tobacco again. I keep coming back for that 0.01% because I know if I make that simple promise each day then I can and will remain free. I know you guys will hold me accountable. The only people that I know that cave are people that quit posting roll. It is that simple. I won't be one of those people.

2. Pay it back... you've heard the story a hundred times but i REALLY suffered in trying to quit this shit. I sincerely want to help someone else. I remember those days and how horrible they were. This site is the ONLY thing that made me successful in my quit. I OWE it something and that something is trying to be a very, very small piece of that amazing web of support and help.

3. Many of the closest friends that I have made in my life are in here.
Some of them I haven't even met in person. That sense of brotherhood is a big reason that I remain....

Whatever YOUR reasons for posting roll are I hope you continue to do it. In the early weeks/months of your quit it will be the MOST important thing you do each day. As you progress, I hope you see the value of continuing on. If not I'm sure I'll see you back in here with your tail between your legs as a caver and pure example of what happens when you quit posting roll.  That one small gest of posting roll that takes less than a minute a day can and will be the breaking line of if some of you make it or not.
Don't take the chance. Post up....

My promise is here today in the form of a simple phrase:
TCOPE = 1757... today I promise not to use tobacco. One day at a time....

Some wise words from TCOPE above to one of the new pre-HOF classes. This in addition to the vet's words below are some good KTC kool aid.

[Mthomas3824]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

This is amazing insight. Word of Wisdom Material for me and I suspect KTC

Roam, I was Contestent #1 - I had enough of KTC. It wasn't until I was verbally slapped when Noonelikesaquitter told me what was going on. He said, "Mthomas you're hurting" Then roam meets me on a shitty side of town (refinery and traintracks next to a stinky salty marsh) and we had a good dinner.

I was enlightened. It was easier, life on paper was great but I couldn't deny I was hurting.

You know, KTC does a great job with preparing us for withdrawls, fogs, funks, dreams post hall. We say, "Embrace the suck". Then is gets easier and simple really simple, almost boring and dull.

Then you get into the 200 - 350 range. It hurts. Maybe we need to prepare groups in that range that they will have to "Face the Hurt"?

I don't know but I was saved from myself because KTC and brothers took the time and cared to wake my up and tell me the hurt really happens and its part of the process.

I sure feel great now and thank you for the steak in a shitty part of town. I was Qutter 1 who was saved.

Dabean - you are gettin a response simply because you are us and we are you. Addictive behavor is chronic, and identified with similar symptoms and signs. I understand you and care about your success.

So read what is being said. Vent, Rage, get whatever ales you out. If you hurt but think you shouldn't....Been their.

At least stay posting daily for 50 to 100 more days. Say at 300 days, if you still feel the same, exit stage left. I bet you'll be glad and at the very least wont regret putting a 50 to 100 day morretorium to leave. Let it paly out.

You are too valuable to quitters on the site and we are a value to your quit as well. Support. Many hands makes light work. Sit on this feeling for 100 days and then make your choice. Please?

[Evil_Won]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

Completely agree with J2B, but with a minor tweak.
I do think it is entirely possible to leave KTC and remain quit. But I think that decision point is when you the quitter reach 100% confidence in your ability to quit on your own with no peer accountability. Not 90%, not 95%, not 99.5%. If there remains any chance of failure, you are not ready. If you find you leave and drop below 100%, it is time to get your ass back in here.
J2B is right, the rationale dabean wrote is addict babble. An excuse. Can a caver impact other quitters? Sure, they piss me off for not battling like everyone else and for failing/lying to themselves. Can they weaken my quit? No, I won't relinquish that power to them, I am in charge of my quit. Period.
dabean, if you 100% certain go for it. If not, consider sticking around...
But the reasons you gave for withdrawing are simply not valid...

Should I stay or should I go now?

Whatever your decision is it will not effect me. That is both sad and true I suppose Regardless, I will be here giving my word every day and upholding it to those that read it. I am not cured at day 499. Tomorrow? Maybe, but I doubt it. I still think about it many times a day proving the the smoltering remains of that romance are not dead; it is just awaiting for a flame to invigorate it and strip me of my Quit status. That won't happen. Not Today. Because I am here.

You can add your name to that list of "half-assed quitters but more likely cavers that are too weak and pussyish to admit it" that you mentioned (you forgot a few), or you can read what J2B said and choose option 1.

[T-Cell]

This is utter bullshit, addict speak, planned cave nonsense.  Dont get pissy about it either - some folks just drift away and some stay quit.  Every single time I have seen someone "announce" they were leaving its been for one of two reasons:
1) they were in a rough spot and crying out for help.
2) they had already made up their mind and were planning to cave, and didnt want other quitters to come a looking when they didnt post roll. 

In both cases, caving had definitely become an "option" for them.

Case 1 quitters need and are often "saved" by brothers doing exactly what is being done here - calling them out on their nonsense.  They forgot day 1, they started to take the longview (forever is a long, long time).  They forgot what slavery felt like.

Case 2 quitters are a different breed.  They believe they are cured, can have just one, are tired of the daily struggle, etc.  A lot of them never truly "closed the door" or burned their boats.  In fact, a good portion were highly active early on.  Maybe trying to sell it to themselves because they were not REALLY quit.  Who knows, I am not a shrink. 

Dabean, I "hope" you are case 1.  I hope you read these messages, go back and reread your intro and conductor messages, your quit group, etc and pull your head out of your ass long enough to realize that your quit is about you.  Others caving may have an impact on you, but it sure as hell cant impact your quit.  You gotta be stronger than that. 

New quitters - take heed.  Focus on your quit today.  Post roll today.  Protect your quit first, then do what you can to help others today.  Today. Today.  Quit getting so caught up in the major milestones that you don't enjoy the daily victories, the real method to quitting.  It is NOT about 100, 200, 1000, 5 years, etc.  It is about TODAY.  Posting roll today puts my quit at 1000%, no matter what happens, or what anyone else does.

To yoda listen..... nuff said

Completely agree with J2B, but with a minor tweak.
I do think it is entirely possible to leave KTC and remain quit. But I think that decision point is when you the quitter reach 100% confidence in your ability to quit on your own with no peer accountability. Not 90%, not 95%, not 99.5%. If there remains any chance of failure, you are not ready. If you find you leave and drop below 100%, it is time to get your ass back in here.
J2B is right, the rationale dabean wrote is addict babble. An excuse. Can a caver impact other quitters? Sure, they piss me off for not battling like everyone else and for failing/lying to themselves. Can they weaken my quit? No, I won't relinquish that power to them, I am in charge of my quit. Period.
dabean, if you 100% certain go for it. If not, consider sticking around...
But the reasons you gave for withdrawing are simply not valid...