Time to do this...

[Doc2quit4good]

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Slippery little sucker......

[JayDubya]

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[worktowin]

Dusting this off real quick to say the wife is talking to me again. We're headed to some counseling to try to work on some stuff. Nothing earth-shattering or divorce-inducing, but after she found I was going behind her back for so long doing something so stupid (of which she had no idea), we have some trust issues to work on.

My point is this: nothing, I mean NOTHING, fucking NOTHING is worth one more dip. Not today, not ever. I did my best to trounce my relationship with the best woman on earth and I refuse to do that for one more day. For you new guys taking a look at this, remember this: you will NEVER regret quitting, you will ALWAYS regret caving. Also, your worst day quitting is better than your best day using. Stay strong, you'll get through the suck, and the other side will be so much better. Quit with each of you today.

P.S. you guys/gals can rib me all you want about counseling, I'm fucking free of the NB today. I win. JZ - 20, NB - 0.

Filling your wife in on the truth is bad ass. Beating this addiction (managing it) takes more levels of accountability than must comprehend. You get it.

[J2thaZ]

Dusting this off real quick to say the wife is talking to me again. We're headed to some counseling to try to work on some stuff. Nothing earth-shattering or divorce-inducing, but after she found I was going behind her back for so long doing something so stupid (of which she had no idea), we have some trust issues to work on.

My point is this: nothing, I mean NOTHING, fucking NOTHING is worth one more dip. Not today, not ever. I did my best to trounce my relationship with the best woman on earth and I refuse to do that for one more day. For you new guys taking a look at this, remember this: you will NEVER regret quitting, you will ALWAYS regret caving. Also, your worst day quitting is better than your best day using. Stay strong, you'll get through the suck, and the other side will be so much better. Quit with each of you today.

P.S. you guys/gals can rib me all you want about counseling, I'm fucking free of the NB today. I win. JZ - 20, NB - 0.

[J2thaZ]

Man I was just reading ur posts and it is like reading my own story lol. I had the day 10 blues too. I was thinking fuck yeah im quit, but for my whole life?? I enjoyed dipping. Why can't I have it again? But then you just have to realize it is those deprived brain pathways trying to rationalize why it needs the nic! We got this! I quit with you today.

Thanks Chief. Feels awesome to have gotten thru that funk. I've definitely gotten some energy back and I've taken a renewed sense of whoop-ass to the NB today. QLF with you today bro.

J2thaZ

[UH60Chief107]

Man I was just reading ur posts and it is like reading my own story lol. I had the day 10 blues too. I was thinking fuck yeah im quit, but for my whole life?? I enjoyed dipping. Why can't I have it again? But then you just have to realize it is those deprived brain pathways trying to rationalize why it needs the nic! We got this! I quit with you today.

[Lipizzaner]

Well....pretty major status update since the last version. Last night, the Mrs. and I were talking and I spilled my guts. I wasn't ready, but the conversation arose from a different angle, and I let it rip. I have to say I have mixed emotions about it. She was "disappointed" for sure (duh), but more than anything she just didn't get why I would even start doing something so dumb. She had absolutely zero idea. Never "caught" me and never even had a suspicion.

I explained that at the start it was a dip every two or three months, then once a week, then everyday, then a can a day, etc. I let her know that it took me a long time to realize that it wasn't just because the opportunities were greater, but rather the addiction was getting worse.

To her credit, she understood a lot more about the addictive aspects of this even though she's never dealt with any sort of addiction. In fact, she preached ODAAT to me before I could even let her know that it was a cornerstone of this site.

All that being said, I didn't get the sense of relief that most everybody on the site felt when they confessed. This is MY problem not hers. I think she'll be able to help me in my accountability, but she didn't ask for this. She did nothing to fuel it. She did nothing to push me into it. She has no part in my attempt to single-handedly destroy myself.

Granted, she will be there every step of the way, and her ultimate conclusion from the conversation was that she was proud of me for taking charge of this thing on my own and not due to a "Dr. scare" or being "caught" or something like that. I know from talking to her though that she feels like this is something I should have had a grip on a long time ago.

In the end, I'm glad I told her because I'm glad I don't have to hide anything about my recovery.

I'm quit with the Sultans EDD. Today is day 14 and almost 15. Half a month without destroying myself = win. JZ - 14, NB - 0.

Hey bro- I am glad you told your lady. Honesty is the best policy. I have a couple thoughts about some of your post.
1. I told my wife, but not because I wanted her support or that extra layer of accountability. To me, those reasons are what this site is for. Support and accountability. I only told her because I wanted her to know why I was short tempered, sleeping badly, and pissed off, and that if she pushed the wrong buttons, look the fuck out. For that reason, I think its important to let our ladies know.
2. Stop worrying about her being disappointed that you had become addicted or didn't get control of it sooner. She doesn't understand the nic bitch, and it is not her job to understand it. That's our job. You told her, thats that. Hopefully your quit gets to the point where you don't have to talk about it again.
I don't like my wife talking about my quit, and we haven't discussed it since week 2.
Edit- do I have a shitty marriage since I don't like to talk to my wife about shit like that? who knows??

[CavMan83]

JZ,

Awesome post dude....the ending 14-0 is the best, and will only get better. Honored to be a Sultan with you EDD, man.

[J2thaZ]

Well....pretty major status update since the last version. Last night, the Mrs. and I were talking and I spilled my guts. I wasn't ready, but the conversation arose from a different angle, and I let it rip. I have to say I have mixed emotions about it. She was "disappointed" for sure (duh), but more than anything she just didn't get why I would even start doing something so dumb. She had absolutely zero idea. Never "caught" me and never even had a suspicion.

I explained that at the start it was a dip every two or three months, then once a week, then everyday, then a can a day, etc. I let her know that it took me a long time to realize that it wasn't just because the opportunities were greater, but rather the addiction was getting worse.

To her credit, she understood a lot more about the addictive aspects of this even though she's never dealt with any sort of addiction. In fact, she preached ODAAT to me before I could even let her know that it was a cornerstone of this site.

All that being said, I didn't get the sense of relief that most everybody on the site felt when they confessed. This is MY problem not hers. I think she'll be able to help me in my accountability, but she didn't ask for this. She did nothing to fuel it. She did nothing to push me into it. She has no part in my attempt to single-handedly destroy myself.

Granted, she will be there every step of the way, and her ultimate conclusion from the conversation was that she was proud of me for taking charge of this thing on my own and not due to a "Dr. scare" or being "caught" or something like that. I know from talking to her though that she feels like this is something I should have had a grip on a long time ago.

In the end, I'm glad I told her because I'm glad I don't have to hide anything about my recovery.

I'm quit with the Sultans EDD. Today is day 14 and almost 15. Half a month without destroying myself = win. JZ - 14, NB - 0.

[TrueToMyself]

Stop trying to imagine forever. It's impossible and unproductive. I'm literally telling you to stop thinking beyond today. Just get through today in any way you choose (it is a choice, btw), be it gray, boring, happy, crabby, whatever. ODAAT. ODAAT. ODAAT. Trust me. There's only one way to win this fight and it's ODAAT. I'm 336 days in and I still can't get my head around NAFAR.

The war cry has worn off, huh? Well, that makes one of us. You said yourself that you hate the fact that you spent so much time away from your two kids all for the sake of dip. It pisses me off that I did the same things, too. I hate that someone else won and I lost: the winner was The American Snuff Company in Memphis Tennessee and the loser was me. Their strategy worked: I was willing to fork over thousands of dollars for their product and made it my top priority.

Think I'm being extreme? Consider this: today is June 12th, 2014 and you only have one crack at it. The number of Saturday afternoons you have left with your three year old are fewer than 52, because soon he'll be four. You already missed out many things that make you a very wealthy man and you can't have them back. You were stupid enough to let it happen for what is statistically likely to be 20% of your adult life.

You'll be at an elevated risk of about a dozen types of cancer until you are 46 years old. Throat, tongue, esophageal, lymph-node, mouth... You were willing to risk it all... why? Cancer can't happen to you? You're special?

On the other side of the coin is positivity, of course. Keep taking stock of moments you would otherwise have missed. Time is fleeting, dude, and you are winning.

Stay vigilant, stay active, stay pissed.

Thanks Minny. I really appreciate the post.

I am thoroughly enjoying all of the extra time I've been spending with my kids, not worrying about the next fix, etc., and while it was my choice, nic was what took that away from me. I hate nic for that. I CHOOSE not to today. As you said, I am no longer willing to risk everything for the weed.

Thanks for the boost, this one is for you, Minny: 'Finger' NB 'Finger'

This applied to me, too, and the truth hurts.
Great hit, Minny. I needed this today.

"You said yourself that you hate the fact that you spent so much time away from your two kids all for the sake of dip. It pisses me off that I did the same things, too. I hate that someone else won and I lost: the winner was The American Snuff Company in Memphis Tennessee and the loser was me. Their strategy worked: I was willing to fork over thousands of dollars for their product and made it my top priority.

Think I'm being extreme? Consider this: today is June 12th, 2014 and you only have one crack at it. The number of Saturday afternoons you have left with your three year old are fewer than 52, because soon he'll be four. You already missed out many things that make you a very wealthy man and you can't have them back. You were stupid enough to let it happen for what is statistically likely to be 20% of your adult life."

[J2thaZ]

Stop trying to imagine forever. It's impossible and unproductive. I'm literally telling you to stop thinking beyond today. Just get through today in any way you choose (it is a choice, btw), be it gray, boring, happy, crabby, whatever. ODAAT. ODAAT. ODAAT. Trust me. There's only one way to win this fight and it's ODAAT. I'm 336 days in and I still can't get my head around NAFAR.

The war cry has worn off, huh? Well, that makes one of us. You said yourself that you hate the fact that you spent so much time away from your two kids all for the sake of dip. It pisses me off that I did the same things, too. I hate that someone else won and I lost: the winner was The American Snuff Company in Memphis Tennessee and the loser was me. Their strategy worked: I was willing to fork over thousands of dollars for their product and made it my top priority.

Think I'm being extreme? Consider this: today is June 12th, 2014 and you only have one crack at it. The number of Saturday afternoons you have left with your three year old are fewer than 52, because soon he'll be four. You already missed out many things that make you a very wealthy man and you can't have them back. You were stupid enough to let it happen for what is statistically likely to be 20% of your adult life.

You'll be at an elevated risk of about a dozen types of cancer until you are 46 years old. Throat, tongue, esophageal, lymph-node, mouth... You were willing to risk it all... why? Cancer can't happen to you? You're special?

On the other side of the coin is positivity, of course. Keep taking stock of moments you would otherwise have missed. Time is fleeting, dude, and you are winning.

Stay vigilant, stay active, stay pissed.

Thanks Minny. I really appreciate the post.

I am thoroughly enjoying all of the extra time I've been spending with my kids, not worrying about the next fix, etc., and while it was my choice, nic was what took that away from me. I hate nic for that. I CHOOSE not to today. As you said, I am no longer willing to risk everything for the weed.

Thanks for the boost, this one is for you, Minny: 'Finger' NB 'Finger'

[Minny]

Stop trying to imagine forever. It's impossible and unproductive. I'm literally telling you to stop thinking beyond today. Just get through today in any way you choose (it is a choice, btw), be it gray, boring, happy, crabby, whatever. ODAAT. ODAAT. ODAAT. Trust me. There's only one way to win this fight and it's ODAAT. I'm 336 days in and I still can't get my head around NAFAR.

The war cry has worn off, huh? Well, that makes one of us. You said yourself that you hate the fact that you spent so much time away from your two kids all for the sake of dip. It pisses me off that I did the same things, too. I hate that someone else won and I lost: the winner was The American Snuff Company in Memphis Tennessee and the loser was me. Their strategy worked: I was willing to fork over thousands of dollars for their product and made it my top priority.

Think I'm being extreme? Consider this: today is June 12th, 2014 and you only have one crack at it. The number of Saturday afternoons you have left with your three year old are fewer than 52, because soon he'll be four. You already missed out many things that make you a very wealthy man and you can't have them back. You were stupid enough to let it happen for what is statistically likely to be 20% of your adult life.

You'll be at an elevated risk of about a dozen types of cancer until you are 46 years old. Throat, tongue, esophageal, lymph-node, mouth... You were willing to risk it all... why? Cancer can't happen to you? You're special?

On the other side of the coin is positivity, of course. Keep taking stock of moments you would otherwise have missed. Time is fleeting, dude, and you are winning.

Stay vigilant, stay active, stay pissed.

[J2thaZ]

In a funk the last couple days. Not really any craves, but everything seems a little more gray, a little more boring, nothing really going on, just kind of limping through the week. I think the initial war cry against the bitch wore off after about day 8, and now settling in for the long haul. Still can't shake the idea of: "Not ever, not even one?" Like I said it's not about craving it, it's more like wrapping my head around the concept that I've completely eradicated that part of my life.

Let me reiterate. I am not even close to caving right now. I'm solid and I am holding tight to all the reasons why this decision is one of the best of my life, just going through a little bit of a slow time in the quit. Family coming into town this weekend, couple events to attend so that should help things pick up a little.

Day 12 is an accomplishment, and today I'm winning. JZ - 12, NB - 0.

[Thumblewort]

Kind of a state of complacency right now (even though only 10 days into it). Not close to caving, but tonight has been one of those nights where I'm having trouble taking it ODAAT. I keep thinking ahead, and then it seems the daunting task is back. It's funny because a couple other guys on 10 in the Sultans today have also had a tough day. Not sure what it is, but I'm damn glad I have the site to log into when I need it the most.

Almost time to suck down some Sleepytime, and head to bed (probably with another dip dream on the menu - hate those damned things). Wake up tomorrow to snake eyes, and do it all over. Wouldn't have it any other way. FY NB, I quit successfully again today. J2thaZ - 10, NB - 0.

J2Z, forgive me if I'm wrong. I'm not a vet here but I've noticed something about your quit. You seem to have very high highs. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my impression.

First of all, I'm a huge fan of over-enthusiasm. You just can't teach that in life. I congratulate you on that and I mean it.

The problem is that you could end up being over over excited when things go well and over disappointed when things aren't great. We're all on a rollercoaster right now. Personally, my emotions have been all over the map since quitting but I try to stay as realistic and balanced as possible with an eye on the big picture AND especially one day at a time.

Your enthusiasm gets me pumped up - I really liked your observations 1-5. Keep that up but try to avoid getting too high or too low this early in your quit. Personally, I think it's a little bit risky.

Again - I'm a newbie here with 22 days quit but that's my two cents. You've been very active on KTC and that's awesome - it's the most important thing. Don't let up.

Thanks W2W. Appreciate all the advice whether noob or Chewie. I didn't mean to sound like a downer. Just wanted to make sure my reflections in here aren't just when I'm hyped to be rearending the NB. I won today. I'll wait til tomorrow to win tomorrow.

Proud to be quit with you W2W.

Keep posting in your intro, be it highs or lows. Your brain is rewiring itself and the whole experience is likely different than anything you've ever experienced. And as always, post roll every damn day. Keep going and trust the mantra.

ODAAT

Post every thing from when you get butt hurt on a post, and especially the good days. Don't use nic, and we all win.

[Minny]

Kind of a state of complacency right now (even though only 10 days into it). Not close to caving, but tonight has been one of those nights where I'm having trouble taking it ODAAT. I keep thinking ahead, and then it seems the daunting task is back. It's funny because a couple other guys on 10 in the Sultans today have also had a tough day. Not sure what it is, but I'm damn glad I have the site to log into when I need it the most.

Almost time to suck down some Sleepytime, and head to bed (probably with another dip dream on the menu - hate those damned things). Wake up tomorrow to snake eyes, and do it all over. Wouldn't have it any other way. FY NB, I quit successfully again today. J2thaZ - 10, NB - 0.

J2Z, forgive me if I'm wrong. I'm not a vet here but I've noticed something about your quit. You seem to have very high highs. Maybe I'm wrong but that's my impression.

First of all, I'm a huge fan of over-enthusiasm. You just can't teach that in life. I congratulate you on that and I mean it.

The problem is that you could end up being over over excited when things go well and over disappointed when things aren't great. We're all on a rollercoaster right now. Personally, my emotions have been all over the map since quitting but I try to stay as realistic and balanced as possible with an eye on the big picture AND especially one day at a time.

Your enthusiasm gets me pumped up - I really liked your observations 1-5. Keep that up but try to avoid getting too high or too low this early in your quit. Personally, I think it's a little bit risky.

Again - I'm a newbie here with 22 days quit but that's my two cents. You've been very active on KTC and that's awesome - it's the most important thing. Don't let up.

Thanks W2W. Appreciate all the advice whether noob or Chewie. I didn't mean to sound like a downer. Just wanted to make sure my reflections in here aren't just when I'm hyped to be rearending the NB. I won today. I'll wait til tomorrow to win tomorrow.

Proud to be quit with you W2W.

Keep posting in your intro, be it highs or lows. Your brain is rewiring itself and the whole experience is likely different than anything you've ever experienced. And as always, post roll every damn day. Keep going and trust the mantra.

ODAAT