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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #91 on: November 17, 2013, 10:35:00 PM »
A Thought for the day....

I've seen a lot of "this is not your group, so f*k off" in the last few weeks. Maybe it's time to discuss to just exactly what is meant by "Your group" or "my group". If I'm not in "your group", do I..... not challenge someone that says that there is no requirement to answer any silly questions? ..... not challenge someone that "doesn't post weekends" ...not challenge someone that thinks it's OK to edit your roll post based on whether they "like" you or not? ...someone who refuses to post a number? ....someone who wants to keep a trophy can? ...someone who calls honorable a guy that has lied every day over the last 104 days?

At some point, when do you say "sorry, but I'm not gonna shut up and leave your group... I'm not gonna do that because the group your are trying to join is the group I"m in, and that group deserves people willing to hold others and me accountable. That group is called the HOF group.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2013, 09:54:00 PM »
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There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so.  He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future."  Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days,  now he's gone.  But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section.  Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum  where nic use status is not considered?  We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free.   More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site.  But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll?  I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
I am not sure this is the right area to entertain this but I was told that is the cost of admission to be able to type in the intro was to be nic free and have posted roll. Then after roll has been posted have at it run all over the site. I have heard that chat and the other forums were for those who didn't post roll.

I am not sure IMO I think that the roll post section and the intro threads should be reserved for those who are posting roll and making the promise EDD. Its really our basic fundamental of the site post roll repeat. If you cant do that the quit isn't on the forefront. I guess I am not understanding what is happening with shark? He posts roll now and then but goes to intro a lot? 10 seconds more and he can post roll?

I try not to post in anyones intro until I have posted roll or I am still within my 24hours. I just thought that was how it worked would like to see what the rule is on this.
my understanding is intros can be done by anyone, but you must be nic-free to post roll in quit groups. However I've never seen this written down anywhere. Seems to me we should encouraging those that are considering quitting not driving them away from the site...
There are no written rules. The point is to drive users towards quitting and posting in the quit groups. Sometimes that happens, sometimes we never see that person again, and sometimes you get the trolls that blatantly refuse to post roll and talk shit to others for following the "status quo."

My 2 cents? If you're not posting roll and you are using, but you continue to post in your Intro day after day...eventually you need to be told to get with the program or fuck off.
There is a price of admission to play on our playground.

It is roll.

Now, for the most part, the intros are the only part of the site that we have traditionally allowed people to post stuff while using. This was to help out those thinking about quitting without an immediate exit. However, this system can be abused. Once you post a day 1 on the forum section, we ask that you keep posting roll as long as you're quit. If you post a day 1-3, and come back just to play in your intro from that point on...that person is trolling and is not serious about quitting. Remember, the intros are the public section of our site that guests can read. Do you want somebody out here spewing failure?

I guess the best answer is to look at this example specifically.

Shark posted first to his intro on July 31. After 4 days of preparing himself to quit, he posted that he:
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Been through 2 cans of Smokey Mountain already this morning.
on August 3.

After he did that, you see a flurry of posts telling him to post roll. Why? Somewhat for the rules of the site, but primarily because it is an important part of our program. I wouldn't be here today had I not made the habit of posting roll daily. I guarantee there would be many more that would be in the same boat. It's what we do and how we quit. No grey areas.

He then posted for the next 4 days, and has been missing the last 3.

Honestly, if he comes back today and doesn't post roll but plays in the intros, I'm going to question his quit. He hasn't, and hasn't posted in his intro since the third (day 1).

This case doesn't seem any more special than the 800,000 times I've already seen it. Why did shark catch your attention Zam?
Good points, all. I'm not sure what got my attention about shark's post. Probably the fact that he believed his own BS addict logic...like we all did, and I love debating addict logic. I'm not saying posting in the INRO section is without limits. Well, I'm not saying it now, after you all reminded me of the troll-factor. I see your points, and cede that, even in the INTRO section, eventually we need to get to the "post or leave" place. I'm not sure that place comes after 2...yep....2 total posts. While we (you and I, my brothers) were all over this thread, shark certainly didn't begin to understand the urgency that we understood. While he was scratching his head wondering why we didn't see the brilliance of his plan and why we are so damned impatient, we told him to "post or leave" after what was literally his second post. Granted, his 3rd post was just-plain-asking-for-it-stupid, but it was still his THIRD total post.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2013, 08:45:00 PM »
Quote from: Coach
Quote from: T-Cell
Quote from: traumagnet
Quote from: Zam
There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so.  He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future."  Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days,  now he's gone.  But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section.  Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum  where nic use status is not considered?  We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free.   More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site.  But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll?  I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
I am not sure this is the right area to entertain this but I was told that is the cost of admission to be able to type in the intro was to be nic free and have posted roll. Then after roll has been posted have at it run all over the site. I have heard that chat and the other forums were for those who didn't post roll.

I am not sure IMO I think that the roll post section and the intro threads should be reserved for those who are posting roll and making the promise EDD. Its really our basic fundamental of the site post roll repeat. If you cant do that the quit isn't on the forefront. I guess I am not understanding what is happening with shark? He posts roll now and then but goes to intro a lot? 10 seconds more and he can post roll?

I try not to post in anyones intro until I have posted roll or I am still within my 24hours. I just thought that was how it worked would like to see what the rule is on this.
my understanding is intros can be done by anyone, but you must be nic-free to post roll in quit groups. However I've never seen this written down anywhere. Seems to me we should encouraging those that are considering quitting not driving them away from the site...
There are no written rules. The point is to drive users towards quitting and posting in the quit groups. Sometimes that happens, sometimes we never see that person again, and sometimes you get the trolls that blatantly refuse to post roll and talk shit to others for following the "status quo."

My 2 cents? If you're not posting roll and you are using, but you continue to post in your Intro day after day...eventually you need to be told to get with the program or fuck off.
To be fair, those who are not quit yet are invited to post in the Intro section.



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I'm just saying that it takes some longer than others to get it (me) and that we should hammer 'em with the principles of KTC and not be to quick to push the GTFO button.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #88 on: August 12, 2013, 11:27:00 AM »
Quote from: Coach
Quote from: T-Cell
Quote from: traumagnet
Quote from: Zam
There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so.  He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future."  Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days,  now he's gone.  But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section.  Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum  where nic use status is not considered?  We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free.   More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site.  But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll?  I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
I am not sure this is the right area to entertain this but I was told that is the cost of admission to be able to type in the intro was to be nic free and have posted roll. Then after roll has been posted have at it run all over the site. I have heard that chat and the other forums were for those who didn't post roll.

I am not sure IMO I think that the roll post section and the intro threads should be reserved for those who are posting roll and making the promise EDD. Its really our basic fundamental of the site post roll repeat. If you cant do that the quit isn't on the forefront. I guess I am not understanding what is happening with shark? He posts roll now and then but goes to intro a lot? 10 seconds more and he can post roll?

I try not to post in anyones intro until I have posted roll or I am still within my 24hours. I just thought that was how it worked would like to see what the rule is on this.
my understanding is intros can be done by anyone, but you must be nic-free to post roll in quit groups. However I've never seen this written down anywhere. Seems to me we should encouraging those that are considering quitting not driving them away from the site...
There are no written rules. The point is to drive users towards quitting and posting in the quit groups. Sometimes that happens, sometimes we never see that person again, and sometimes you get the trolls that blatantly refuse to post roll and talk shit to others for following the "status quo."

My 2 cents? If you're not posting roll and you are using, but you continue to post in your Intro day after day...eventually you need to be told to get with the program or fuck off.
There is a price of admission to play on our playground.

It is roll.

Now, for the most part, the intros are the only part of the site that we have traditionally allowed people to post stuff while using. This was to help out those thinking about quitting without an immediate exit. However, this system can be abused. Once you post a day 1 on the forum section, we ask that you keep posting roll as long as you're quit. If you post a day 1-3, and come back just to play in your intro from that point on...that person is trolling and is not serious about quitting. Remember, the intros are the public section of our site that guests can read. Do you want somebody out here spewing failure?

I guess the best answer is to look at this example specifically.

Shark posted first to his intro on July 31. After 4 days of preparing himself to quit, he posted that he:
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Been through 2 cans of Smokey Mountain already this morning.
on August 3.

After he did that, you see a flurry of posts telling him to post roll. Why? Somewhat for the rules of the site, but primarily because it is an important part of our program. I wouldn't be here today had I not made the habit of posting roll daily. I guarantee there would be many more that would be in the same boat. It's what we do and how we quit. No grey areas.

He then posted for the next 4 days, and has been missing the last 3.

Honestly, if he comes back today and doesn't post roll but plays in the intros, I'm going to question his quit. He hasn't, and hasn't posted in his intro since the third (day 1).

This case doesn't seem any more special than the 800,000 times I've already seen it. Why did shark catch your attention Zam?
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #87 on: August 12, 2013, 10:30:00 AM »
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There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so. He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future." Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days, now he's gone. But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section. Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum where nic use status is not considered? We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free. More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site. But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll? I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
How about this...Shark fucking just mans up and quits? The very first line of his intro is something like, "I came across this site a few years ago, but didn't think much of it..." Gee Shark, WELCOME.

If you REALLY want something NOBODY can "run you off". If the guy is not quit then what's the point of being here? He's a bad influence on the rest of us. It only takes on spec of poop to ruin an entire gallon of ice cream.

If he is struggling and such then reach out and we will help, but if your just here to fuck around and waste everyones time then you will be called out.

He didn't seem to mind it as this is his quote in his final post:

"Thanks guys. Thanks too to everyone who called me out. I needed that. It's been a rough first day, but KTC is a good reminder that quit can be done."

Tired of people who fade away somehow blaming others for "Pushing them away".

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You want to fuck around and hym and haw. Then no offense, perhaps this isn't the place for you.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #86 on: August 12, 2013, 10:07:00 AM »
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Quote from: traumagnet
Quote from: Zam
There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so.  He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future."  Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days,  now he's gone.  But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section.  Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum  where nic use status is not considered?  We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free.   More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site.  But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll?  I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
I am not sure this is the right area to entertain this but I was told that is the cost of admission to be able to type in the intro was to be nic free and have posted roll. Then after roll has been posted have at it run all over the site. I have heard that chat and the other forums were for those who didn't post roll.

I am not sure IMO I think that the roll post section and the intro threads should be reserved for those who are posting roll and making the promise EDD. Its really our basic fundamental of the site post roll repeat. If you cant do that the quit isn't on the forefront. I guess I am not understanding what is happening with shark? He posts roll now and then but goes to intro a lot? 10 seconds more and he can post roll?

I try not to post in anyones intro until I have posted roll or I am still within my 24hours. I just thought that was how it worked would like to see what the rule is on this.
my understanding is intros can be done by anyone, but you must be nic-free to post roll in quit groups. However I've never seen this written down anywhere. Seems to me we should encouraging those that are considering quitting not driving them away from the site...
There are no written rules. The point is to drive users towards quitting and posting in the quit groups. Sometimes that happens, sometimes we never see that person again, and sometimes you get the trolls that blatantly refuse to post roll and talk shit to others for following the "status quo."

My 2 cents? If you're not posting roll and you are using, but you continue to post in your Intro day after day...eventually you need to be told to get with the program or fuck off.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #85 on: August 12, 2013, 10:01:00 AM »
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There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so.  He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future."  Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days,  now he's gone.  But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section.  Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum  where nic use status is not considered?  We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free.  More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site.  But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll?  I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
I am not sure this is the right area to entertain this but I was told that is the cost of admission to be able to type in the intro was to be nic free and have posted roll. Then after roll has been posted have at it run all over the site. I have heard that chat and the other forums were for those who didn't post roll.

I am not sure IMO I think that the roll post section and the intro threads should be reserved for those who are posting roll and making the promise EDD. Its really our basic fundamental of the site post roll repeat. If you cant do that the quit isn't on the forefront. I guess I am not understanding what is happening with shark? He posts roll now and then but goes to intro a lot? 10 seconds more and he can post roll?

I try not to post in anyones intro until I have posted roll or I am still within my 24hours. I just thought that was how it worked would like to see what the rule is on this.
my understanding is intros can be done by anyone, but you must be nic-free to post roll in quit groups. However I've never seen this written down anywhere. Seems to me we should encouraging those that are considering quitting not driving them away from the site...
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #84 on: August 12, 2013, 08:58:00 AM »
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There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so. He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future." Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days, now he's gone. But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section. Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum where nic use status is not considered? We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free. More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site. But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll? I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
I am not sure this is the right area to entertain this but I was told that is the cost of admission to be able to type in the intro was to be nic free and have posted roll. Then after roll has been posted have at it run all over the site. I have heard that chat and the other forums were for those who didn't post roll.

I am not sure IMO I think that the roll post section and the intro threads should be reserved for those who are posting roll and making the promise EDD. Its really our basic fundamental of the site post roll repeat. If you cant do that the quit isn't on the forefront. I guess I am not understanding what is happening with shark? He posts roll now and then but goes to intro a lot? 10 seconds more and he can post roll?

I try not to post in anyones intro until I have posted roll or I am still within my 24hours. I just thought that was how it worked would like to see what the rule is on this.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #83 on: August 11, 2013, 10:39:00 PM »
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But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll? I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
Well said. I don't think the majority of newbies understand KTC.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #82 on: August 11, 2013, 05:32:00 PM »
There is a dude by the name "shark" that started posting in the intro around the 3rd of August or so. He had the common "plan" of how he was gonna quit on "this other day sometime in the near future." Long story short - he is called out, he seems to get it, posts a few days, now he's gone. But that's not the interesting part.

The interesting part is who he was getting pressed to either post roll or stop posting -in the INTRODUCTION section. Maybe I missed something in the bylaws, but isn't the INTRO section an open forum where nic use status is not considered? We strongly enforce nic-free in the quit forums, and I've done my part to ensure it stays nic-free. More than once I've asked some dude in the quit forum to post roll or --wait for it--- head to some other area of the site. But do we really want to run off some user in the INTRO section because they haven't bought in to KTC or roll? I understand if I/we decided to ignore them until they get serious...but to ask to go away?
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #81 on: July 03, 2013, 04:27:00 PM »
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Quote from: Zam
Wow,  first day of the new group and the "you guys are just internet bullies" card has been played.  Didn't see that one coming Sarcasm

In my short time here, I have been amazed at how many times the following pattern emerges:
1. user fails miserably multiple times trying to quit alone.
2. user find KTC and presumably sees all sorts of actual, no-shit, real word posts (no firewalls here!) that should clearly show that KTC believes in ALL types of support, not just the ass-patting. 
3. The user really likes what he/she reads and decides to join the group.
4.  The first time the new "quitter" is asked to explain themselves, the quit-failure whines about internet bullies, not having to explain themselves, and then says something along the lines of "fuck you, blah blah blah."

I mean....who f%ing joins a group like this without looking into the shit the site proclaims to be about?  Without reading about what they stand for?  Without trying to get a sense for what they do and how they do it?  I did.  I read for HOURS before joining.  HOURS.  Did these guys not read anything before joining?  Or did they think the brutal honestly, no-shit accountability was for everyone else?
AMEN!!!! I couldnt have put it better myself...wtf this is not an ass patting site this site is for people who have failed at every other attempt they have ever made. Its not FB or quit or all the other ones you get a ribbon for TRYING its for hard cases. I tried million other ways but this one fits for me. Its the hard hitting brutal honesty about quit that keeps me focused. I just want to say thanks
You may be asking rhetorical questions, but I'm going to put in my 2 cents nonetheless and engage this discussion because it's worth having.

I think the instances to which you are referring are a combination of several factors. One factor is most certainly that these quitters dive in without doing their research, perhaps looking for a "quick fix." I admit that I didn't read for hours prior to joining, but I read enough to know that KTC had me at accountability. Of course, I read for many hours after I joined...which is also something that a lot of quitters fail to do. Failing to educate oneself is a trait of a lazy quitter...and a lazy human for that matter.

Another factor is undoubtedly the selfishness of the nicotine addict. We all wanted a quick fix for quitting, something painless and stress free. And of course we expected nothing but unequivocal kindness and positivism from everyone we encountered along the way, right? Wrong. We need hard core reality and we need it every damn day. That's why I put my name on roll every day and I know that's why Zam does the same. In order to accept the quit methods of KTC, you must forget about quitting "your way." KTC isn't just a tool to quit, it's the manufacturer, supplier, dealer and mechanic. Buy into that and we can quit together. If not...well, good "luck."
worth a half a cent but here goes -

I quit 3 days prior to joining this site - Accountability - Brotherhood - Success was all it took for me to start chugging the Kool-Aid like a fish at a frat party

take what you can - leave the rest -

It ain't personal, it's about the QUIT!!!
Good comments, all. I hear what you're smelling CS - there are many that came here for the quick fix. In a way, I did too. I knew I wasn't gonna last the day when I first logged on to KTC, and KTC promised to keep me quit TODAY. Promising to stay quit today was a quick, albeit short-term fix. I guess so far I have participated in 520 consecutive "quick fixes". And that's probably not a bad way to look at it. So....good point.
Since Zam hasn't posted a new topic I'll jump on this older one as I missed it originally and think it is a great point of discussion and something that pisses me off here...
Bottom line, there is no excuse for people who show up here expecting the site to keep them quit without investing much effort in it themselves.
The tools are here. The recipe is here. All it takes is a dedicated quitter who is willing to read, learn and act to build their quit. You don't have to be a superhero, but you do have to be honest with yourself to be a quitter.
I'm always amazed at those that show up and think they have a better way without even attempting to understand the KTC way 'bang head'
But we see it almost every month...
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2013, 12:51:00 PM »
Quote from: CBird65
Quote from: Coach
Quote from: traumagnet
Quote from: Zam
Wow,  first day of the new group and the "you guys are just internet bullies" card has been played.  Didn't see that one coming Sarcasm

In my short time here, I have been amazed at how many times the following pattern emerges:
1. user fails miserably multiple times trying to quit alone.
2. user find KTC and presumably sees all sorts of actual, no-shit, real word posts (no firewalls here!) that should clearly show that KTC believes in ALL types of support, not just the ass-patting. 
3. The user really likes what he/she reads and decides to join the group.
4.  The first time the new "quitter" is asked to explain themselves, the quit-failure whines about internet bullies, not having to explain themselves, and then says something along the lines of "fuck you, blah blah blah."

I mean....who f%ing joins a group like this without looking into the shit the site proclaims to be about?  Without reading about what they stand for?  Without trying to get a sense for what they do and how they do it?  I did.  I read for HOURS before joining.  HOURS.  Did these guys not read anything before joining?  Or did they think the brutal honestly, no-shit accountability was for everyone else?
AMEN!!!! I couldnt have put it better myself...wtf this is not an ass patting site this site is for people who have failed at every other attempt they have ever made. Its not FB or quit or all the other ones you get a ribbon for TRYING its for hard cases. I tried million other ways but this one fits for me. Its the hard hitting brutal honesty about quit that keeps me focused. I just want to say thanks
You may be asking rhetorical questions, but I'm going to put in my 2 cents nonetheless and engage this discussion because it's worth having.

I think the instances to which you are referring are a combination of several factors. One factor is most certainly that these quitters dive in without doing their research, perhaps looking for a "quick fix." I admit that I didn't read for hours prior to joining, but I read enough to know that KTC had me at accountability. Of course, I read for many hours after I joined...which is also something that a lot of quitters fail to do. Failing to educate oneself is a trait of a lazy quitter...and a lazy human for that matter.

Another factor is undoubtedly the selfishness of the nicotine addict. We all wanted a quick fix for quitting, something painless and stress free. And of course we expected nothing but unequivocal kindness and positivism from everyone we encountered along the way, right? Wrong. We need hard core reality and we need it every damn day. That's why I put my name on roll every day and I know that's why Zam does the same. In order to accept the quit methods of KTC, you must forget about quitting "your way." KTC isn't just a tool to quit, it's the manufacturer, supplier, dealer and mechanic. Buy into that and we can quit together. If not...well, good "luck."
worth a half a cent but here goes -

I quit 3 days prior to joining this site - Accountability - Brotherhood - Success was all it took for me to start chugging the Kool-Aid like a fish at a frat party

take what you can - leave the rest -

It ain't personal, it's about the QUIT!!!
Good comments, all. I hear what you're smelling CS - there are many that came here for the quick fix. In a way, I did too. I knew I wasn't gonna last the day when I first logged on to KTC, and KTC promised to keep me quit TODAY. Promising to stay quit today was a quick, albeit short-term fix. I guess so far I have participated in 520 consecutive "quick fixes". And that's probably not a bad way to look at it. So....good point.
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2013, 12:18:00 PM »
Quote from: Coach
Quote from: traumagnet
Quote from: Zam
Wow,  first day of the new group and the "you guys are just internet bullies" card has been played.  Didn't see that one coming Sarcasm

In my short time here, I have been amazed at how many times the following pattern emerges:
1. user fails miserably multiple times trying to quit alone.
2. user find KTC and presumably sees all sorts of actual, no-shit, real word posts (no firewalls here!) that should clearly show that KTC believes in ALL types of support, not just the ass-patting. 
3. The user really likes what he/she reads and decides to join the group.
4.  The first time the new "quitter" is asked to explain themselves, the quit-failure whines about internet bullies, not having to explain themselves, and then says something along the lines of "fuck you, blah blah blah."

I mean....who f%ing joins a group like this without looking into the shit the site proclaims to be about?  Without reading about what they stand for?  Without trying to get a sense for what they do and how they do it?  I did.  I read for HOURS before joining.  HOURS.  Did these guys not read anything before joining?  Or did they think the brutal honestly, no-shit accountability was for everyone else?
AMEN!!!! I couldnt have put it better myself...wtf this is not an ass patting site this site is for people who have failed at every other attempt they have ever made. Its not FB or quit or all the other ones you get a ribbon for TRYING its for hard cases. I tried million other ways but this one fits for me. Its the hard hitting brutal honesty about quit that keeps me focused. I just want to say thanks
You may be asking rhetorical questions, but I'm going to put in my 2 cents nonetheless and engage this discussion because it's worth having.

I think the instances to which you are referring are a combination of several factors. One factor is most certainly that these quitters dive in without doing their research, perhaps looking for a "quick fix." I admit that I didn't read for hours prior to joining, but I read enough to know that KTC had me at accountability. Of course, I read for many hours after I joined...which is also something that a lot of quitters fail to do. Failing to educate oneself is a trait of a lazy quitter...and a lazy human for that matter.

Another factor is undoubtedly the selfishness of the nicotine addict. We all wanted a quick fix for quitting, something painless and stress free. And of course we expected nothing but unequivocal kindness and positivism from everyone we encountered along the way, right? Wrong. We need hard core reality and we need it every damn day. That's why I put my name on roll every day and I know that's why Zam does the same. In order to accept the quit methods of KTC, you must forget about quitting "your way." KTC isn't just a tool to quit, it's the manufacturer, supplier, dealer and mechanic. Buy into that and we can quit together. If not...well, good "luck."
worth a half a cent but here goes -

I quit 3 days prior to joining this site - Accountability - Brotherhood - Success was all it took for me to start chugging the Kool-Aid like a fish at a frat party

take what you can - leave the rest -

It ain't personal, it's about the QUIT!!!
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #78 on: June 24, 2013, 03:35:00 PM »
Quote from: traumagnet
Quote from: Zam
Wow,  first day of the new group and the "you guys are just internet bullies" card has been played.  Didn't see that one coming Sarcasm

In my short time here, I have been amazed at how many times the following pattern emerges:
1. user fails miserably multiple times trying to quit alone.
2. user find KTC and presumably sees all sorts of actual, no-shit, real word posts (no firewalls here!) that should clearly show that KTC believes in ALL types of support, not just the ass-patting. 
3. The user really likes what he/she reads and decides to join the group.
4.  The first time the new "quitter" is asked to explain themselves, the quit-failure whines about internet bullies, not having to explain themselves, and then says something along the lines of "fuck you, blah blah blah."

I mean....who f%ing joins a group like this without looking into the shit the site proclaims to be about?  Without reading about what they stand for?  Without trying to get a sense for what they do and how they do it?  I did.  I read for HOURS before joining.  HOURS.  Did these guys not read anything before joining?  Or did they think the brutal honestly, no-shit accountability was for everyone else?
AMEN!!!! I couldnt have put it better myself...wtf this is not an ass patting site this site is for people who have failed at every other attempt they have ever made. Its not FB or quit or all the other ones you get a ribbon for TRYING its for hard cases. I tried million other ways but this one fits for me. Its the hard hitting brutal honesty about quit that keeps me focused. I just want to say thanks
You may be asking rhetorical questions, but I'm going to put in my 2 cents nonetheless and engage this discussion because it's worth having.

I think the instances to which you are referring are a combination of several factors. One factor is most certainly that these quitters dive in without doing their research, perhaps looking for a "quick fix." I admit that I didn't read for hours prior to joining, but I read enough to know that KTC had me at accountability. Of course, I read for many hours after I joined...which is also something that a lot of quitters fail to do. Failing to educate oneself is a trait of a lazy quitter...and a lazy human for that matter.

Another factor is undoubtedly the selfishness of the nicotine addict. We all wanted a quick fix for quitting, something painless and stress free. And of course we expected nothing but unequivocal kindness and positivism from everyone we encountered along the way, right? Wrong. We need hard core reality and we need it every damn day. That's why I put my name on roll every day and I know that's why Zam does the same. In order to accept the quit methods of KTC, you must forget about quitting "your way." KTC isn't just a tool to quit, it's the manufacturer, supplier, dealer and mechanic. Buy into that and we can quit together. If not...well, good "luck."
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Re: Stuff I'm right about
« Reply #77 on: June 24, 2013, 03:33:00 PM »
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This is so true. I read about a cave that happened over day 300 and the fallout of that before I posted roll here. Maybe we should put a link to a cave story and what one can expect if they follow that path in the Welcome Center.
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We all make mistakes, but it is our responsibility to learn from them. There is no template to redemption, only a general path. The questions asked (what happened? why did it happen? what are you doing differently this time?) are asked to lead the returning member to the path. It is up to him to walk the path like every other quitter here.

We all take this one day at a time. Once a person returns, he is no different than any other day 1 except he knows how the program generally works. He needs to understand the program, not know it.

And we can't make that happen.

It is up to the returning member only.
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