My good cave

[Wt57]

I let my guard down, I decided just one was acceptable, that I had proven my strength against nicotine. The next thing I knew (almost instantly) I had a whole upper lip full of dip hiding it from my wife and everyone else. How embarrassed I was to let anyone who knew my journey. At one point I panicked, not because I was afraid of being caught but rather I misplaced my can and I panicked because I couldn't get my fix! I am glad to let you know this was my dip dream on day 646.
I haven't had a dip dream in a very long time but this one woke me from my complacency. Unlike past dreams I hated, I'm glad to have this reminder of the power of my addiction. I'm still quit and have made my promise for today so I know I'm safe today!

[Minny]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

My half red neck brain is spinning WT. Thanks for sharing.

Just to piggyback on this just a bit or make the next leap so to speak. I see this in many quitters that have been around after reaching the HOF and like WT mentioned we eventually need to change our mindset. We realize that there is a point when we are"quit" that we understand to continue down this path we must keep working on becoming "better men"

Quit on fellas!

To expand on Wt. He is spot on.

Below is from the online Etymology Dictionary.

Quit comes from the Old French word QUITE = "free clear". This comes from the Latin word QUIETUS = "free"

So this word is perfect for our use on this site. When you declare I am quit, you delare, "I am free".

quit (adj.) Look up quit at Dictionary.com
early 13c., "free, clear," from O.Fr. quite "free, clear," from L. quietus "free" (in M.L. "free from war, debts, etc."), also "calm, resting" (see quiet). The verb is first attested c.1300, "to set free, redeem" (usually of a debt or suspicion); sense of "leave" is attested from late 14c.; that of "to leave (a place)" is from c.1600; that of "stop" (doing something) is from 1640s. Meaning "to give up" is from mid-15c.; quitting time is from 1835; quitter as an insult is 1881, American English. Quits "even" (with another) is from 1660s.

Well said, WT. I've grown as a quitter, but I kind of neglected to grow as a MAN in many aspects of my life during that time, instead I chose to just blame everything on the quitting process.

I think that might have been true in the early days, but I'll be damned if I will continue to do that for the rest of my life.

Just like I had to grab my sack and man up and quit. I think it's time time to re-rack my sack and start looking at life as a "normal" person again, and not as a victim of quit.

I quit for freedom, and to be a better person. It really is hypocritical of me to continue to use my quit as a crutch to be a lazy ass and in some aspects a worse person.

you guys are spot on, and thanks for the reminder. Count me in on this movement to keep growing in the rest of my life. Nic undoubtedly arrested my development from an early age in a lot of areas, and now i'm eager to enjoy some growth from a new, free and clear, clean perspective. Glad some of you all are into that growth as well!

I think this needs to be bumped back up to the top for a little while. It's one of the most original threads I've come across in a long time. Just as there is no excuse to cave, quitting isn't an excuse to neglect any other part of your life.

[kkljinc]

I dug up this old post while contemplating the beginning of this new year.

Day 50 a road marker? Day 100 a milestone? 1 year another milestone?

These questions have been plaguing my mind this week. I have been comparing my quit to my life.

Life.......................Quit
Birth-------------------Day 1-------------- a beginning
1st steps--------------Day 50-------------a good start
1st day of school-----Day 100-----------a road marker
Out on your own-----1 yr-----------------a milestone
marriage  kids-----
Grandkids-------------
Retirement------------


Death------------------Death(still quit)--------------Triumph


My dilemma has been that in the whole scheme of my quit, the closer I get to HOF, I am becoming underwhelmed by it. I don't know what the life expectancy of a quit addict in my demographics is, I have longevity genes so lets say 80 yrs old. That means that I am way past 1/2 way to DEAD. I have had many side trips, detours, road markers and milestones in my life. Today I consider 50 days ago (the day I quit) as one of the milestones in my life that I will cherish with some of the bigger events in my life (such as marriage, birth of daughter, birth of grandkids etc.). If I put myself at the end, at death, I don't think day 50 or day 100 will even be listed on the event calendar, Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.
Looking down the road into the future has been one of the more difficult aspects to deal with in my quit! When I think long term I "CAVE". I'm strong, my quit is strong, I'm gaining something I've never had "integrity", I will not cave if I continue to quit 1 day at a time.
Another scary aspect of 50 or 100 days quit is when I compare it to the past: I've been a addict for over 14,000 days I've been alive a little over 20,000 days. Compare that to 100 days-----not even a drop in the bucket. So another lesson to be learned the past can also be overwhelming, thinking of it sows seeds of "CAVE".
My conclusion is: THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS TODAY.

As my quit matures I realize how important today is! With the new year beginning I was thinking about the many decades that had come and gone with each new year beginning with a failed promise to my wife but mainly to myself to quit using Copenhagen that year. This New Years like last year my resolution was different; I instead promised to be nicotine free for one more day. That simple difference of quitting for one day, just like I did yesterday vs for the year or forever, is so simple but so profound and successful. Anyone reading this in the beginning of a quit, my single word of advise is: TODAY!

WT 642 --Jan. 2, 2014 --today

That's how you do it WT!!! Happy New year

[Wt57]

I dug up this old post while contemplating the beginning of this new year.

Day 50 a road marker? Day 100 a milestone? 1 year another milestone?

These questions have been plaguing my mind this week. I have been comparing my quit to my life.

Life.......................Quit
Birth-------------------Day 1-------------- a beginning
1st steps--------------Day 50-------------a good start
1st day of school-----Day 100-----------a road marker
Out on your own-----1 yr-----------------a milestone
marriage  kids-----
Grandkids-------------
Retirement------------


Death------------------Death(still quit)--------------Triumph


My dilemma has been that in the whole scheme of my quit, the closer I get to HOF, I am becoming underwhelmed by it. I don't know what the life expectancy of a quit addict in my demographics is, I have longevity genes so lets say 80 yrs old. That means that I am way past 1/2 way to DEAD. I have had many side trips, detours, road markers and milestones in my life. Today I consider 50 days ago (the day I quit) as one of the milestones in my life that I will cherish with some of the bigger events in my life (such as marriage, birth of daughter, birth of grandkids etc.). If I put myself at the end, at death, I don't think day 50 or day 100 will even be listed on the event calendar, Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.
Looking down the road into the future has been one of the more difficult aspects to deal with in my quit! When I think long term I "CAVE". I'm strong, my quit is strong, I'm gaining something I've never had "integrity", I will not cave if I continue to quit 1 day at a time.
Another scary aspect of 50 or 100 days quit is when I compare it to the past: I've been a addict for over 14,000 days I've been alive a little over 20,000 days. Compare that to 100 days-----not even a drop in the bucket. So another lesson to be learned the past can also be overwhelming, thinking of it sows seeds of "CAVE".
My conclusion is: THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS TODAY.

As my quit matures I realize how important today is! With the new year beginning I was thinking about the many decades that had come and gone with each new year beginning with a failed promise to my wife but mainly to myself to quit using Copenhagen that year. This New Years like last year my resolution was different; I instead promised to be nicotine free for one more day. That simple difference of quitting for one day, just like I did yesterday vs for the year or forever, is so simple but so profound and successful. Anyone reading this in the beginning of a quit, my single word of advise is: TODAY!

WT 642 --Jan. 2, 2014 --today

[brettlees]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

My half red neck brain is spinning WT. Thanks for sharing.

Just to piggyback on this just a bit or make the next leap so to speak. I see this in many quitters that have been around after reaching the HOF and like WT mentioned we eventually need to change our mindset. We realize that there is a point when we are"quit" that we understand to continue down this path we must keep working on becoming "better men"

Quit on fellas!

To expand on Wt. He is spot on.

Below is from the online Etymology Dictionary.

Quit comes from the Old French word QUITE = "free clear". This comes from the Latin word QUIETUS = "free"

So this word is perfect for our use on this site. When you declare I am quit, you delare, "I am free".

quit (adj.) Look up quit at Dictionary.com
early 13c., "free, clear," from O.Fr. quite "free, clear," from L. quietus "free" (in M.L. "free from war, debts, etc."), also "calm, resting" (see quiet). The verb is first attested c.1300, "to set free, redeem" (usually of a debt or suspicion); sense of "leave" is attested from late 14c.; that of "to leave (a place)" is from c.1600; that of "stop" (doing something) is from 1640s. Meaning "to give up" is from mid-15c.; quitting time is from 1835; quitter as an insult is 1881, American English. Quits "even" (with another) is from 1660s.

Well said, WT. I've grown as a quitter, but I kind of neglected to grow as a MAN in many aspects of my life during that time, instead I chose to just blame everything on the quitting process.

I think that might have been true in the early days, but I'll be damned if I will continue to do that for the rest of my life.

Just like I had to grab my sack and man up and quit. I think it's time time to re-rack my sack and start looking at life as a "normal" person again, and not as a victim of quit.

I quit for freedom, and to be a better person. It really is hypocritical of me to continue to use my quit as a crutch to be a lazy ass and in some aspects a worse person.

you guys are spot on, and thanks for the reminder. Count me in on this movement to keep growing in the rest of my life. Nic undoubtedly arrested my development from an early age in a lot of areas, and now i'm eager to enjoy some growth from a new, free and clear, clean perspective. Glad some of you all are into that growth as well!

[Diesel2112]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

My half red neck brain is spinning WT. Thanks for sharing.

Just to piggyback on this just a bit or make the next leap so to speak. I see this in many quitters that have been around after reaching the HOF and like WT mentioned we eventually need to change our mindset. We realize that there is a point when we are"quit" that we understand to continue down this path we must keep working on becoming "better men"

Quit on fellas!

To expand on Wt. He is spot on.

Below is from the online Etymology Dictionary.

Quit comes from the Old French word QUITE = "free clear". This comes from the Latin word QUIETUS = "free"

So this word is perfect for our use on this site. When you declare I am quit, you delare, "I am free".

quit (adj.) Look up quit at Dictionary.com
early 13c., "free, clear," from O.Fr. quite "free, clear," from L. quietus "free" (in M.L. "free from war, debts, etc."), also "calm, resting" (see quiet). The verb is first attested c.1300, "to set free, redeem" (usually of a debt or suspicion); sense of "leave" is attested from late 14c.; that of "to leave (a place)" is from c.1600; that of "stop" (doing something) is from 1640s. Meaning "to give up" is from mid-15c.; quitting time is from 1835; quitter as an insult is 1881, American English. Quits "even" (with another) is from 1660s.

Well said, WT. I've grown as a quitter, but I kind of neglected to grow as a MAN in many aspects of my life during that time, instead I chose to just blame everything on the quitting process.

I think that might have been true in the early days, but I'll be damned if I will continue to do that for the rest of my life.

Just like I had to grab my sack and man up and quit. I think it's time time to re-rack my sack and start looking at life as a "normal" person again, and not as a victim of quit.

I quit for freedom, and to be a better person. It really is hypocritical of me to continue to use my quit as a crutch to be a lazy ass and in some aspects a worse person.

[Scowick65]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

My half red neck brain is spinning WT. Thanks for sharing.

Just to piggyback on this just a bit or make the next leap so to speak. I see this in many quitters that have been around after reaching the HOF and like WT mentioned we eventually need to change our mindset. We realize that there is a point when we are"quit" that we understand to continue down this path we must keep working on becoming "better men"

Quit on fellas!

To expand on Wt. He is spot on.

Below is from the online Etymology Dictionary.

Quit comes from the Old French word QUITE = "free clear". This comes from the Latin word QUIETUS = "free"

So this word is perfect for our use on this site. When you declare I am quit, you delare, "I am free".

quit (adj.) Look up quit at Dictionary.com
early 13c., "free, clear," from O.Fr. quite "free, clear," from L. quietus "free" (in M.L. "free from war, debts, etc."), also "calm, resting" (see quiet). The verb is first attested c.1300, "to set free, redeem" (usually of a debt or suspicion); sense of "leave" is attested from late 14c.; that of "to leave (a place)" is from c.1600; that of "stop" (doing something) is from 1640s. Meaning "to give up" is from mid-15c.; quitting time is from 1835; quitter as an insult is 1881, American English. Quits "even" (with another) is from 1660s.

[Jlud007]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

My half red neck brain is spinning WT. Thanks for sharing.

Just to piggyback on this just a bit or make the next leap so to speak. I see this in many quitters that have been around after reaching the HOF and like WT mentioned we eventually need to change our mindset. We realize that there is a point when we are"quit" that we understand to continue down this path we must keep working on becoming "better men"

Quit on fellas!

[srans]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

My half red neck brain is spinning WT. Thanks for sharing.

[Erussell]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

Wow this is deep and something that I will be thinking about. Thanks bad ass. This is important.

[Pinched]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

As usual awesome post, you continue to be a great example to quitters new and old as does Diesel. Thank you.

[Wt57]

I can't be using it (quitting) as an excuse for EVERY THING.

This simple little statement has started a change in my thought process tonight. Quitting sucks, we are taught to embrace it and we are taught to post roll daily. These are all important steps in quitting and staying quit. I still need to use these and other tools to stay quit but at some point in time I'm QUIT and no longer Quitting.. I've been blaming everything on quitting; getting fat, being depressed, getting anxious, being obsessive about my asshole neighbors and so many other things. Even though I need accountability I'm no longer quitting I'm quit! Making this leap in thinking doesn't just happen it takes a change in thinking. While posting this I realize that thinking about quitting and being quit is still ODAAT but it means something different to me now than it did preHOF or even at 1 year. Just something to think about.

[30isEnuff]

I'm compelled to make a comment about caving. 

My patience and understanding of a newbie cave comes from over 40 years of not understanding that I was dealing with a serious addiction.  I remember all the times I thought I'll succeed when it's time, even though I attempted quits many times. 

Then it comes to those with more arrows in their quiver, I have slightly less tolerance.  Not using tools that you possess is a slap in the face to those that have helped you.

And finally when a person makes a decision to cave and not return I have no room for them in my life.

From a addict with a long history (longer than many of you have lived) never let your guard down!

Rock on WT! 'oh yeah'
There never is a valid reason to fail, just weak-assed addict excuses.

Keeping my guard up Today with my brother WT57!

[T-Cell]

I'm compelled to make a comment about caving.

My patience and understanding of a newbie cave comes from over 40 years of not understanding that I was dealing with a serious addiction. I remember all the times I thought I'll succeed when it's time, even though I attempted quits many times.

Then it comes to those with more arrows in their quiver, I have slightly less tolerance. Not using tools that you possess is a slap in the face to those that have helped you.

And finally when a person makes a decision to cave and not return I have no room for them in my life.

From a addict with a long history (longer than many of you have lived) never let your guard down!

Rock on WT! 'oh yeah'
There never is a valid reason to fail, just weak-assed addict excuses.

[Wt57]

I'm compelled to make a comment about caving.

My patience and understanding of a newbie cave comes from over 40 years of not understanding that I was dealing with a serious addiction. I remember all the times I thought I'll succeed when it's time, even though I attempted quits many times.

Then it comes to those with more arrows in their quiver, I have slightly less tolerance. Not using tools that you possess is a slap in the face to those that have helped you.

And finally when a person makes a decision to cave and not return I have no room for them in my life.

From a addict with a long history (longer than many of you have lived) never let your guard down!