I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?
I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.
Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.
I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.
Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.
Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.
For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.
On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.
Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.
Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.
The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.
These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.
Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.
I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Like I could NOT respond to getting smeared. Nice writting a post where you try to cover your ass for every response. Tells me you really don't believe in what you are saying, or else you don't build in your rebuttals to rebuttals.
Yawn. Ok dude. Whatever you say. I never "bragged" about how many posts I had, I was simply responding to your allegation that I don't do anything here or help anybody.
I might not be your cup of tea, but I will always fight for the integrity of a site that saved my life.
The truth is you are judging me off this Paddy Mac deal and not have seen my full body of work.
The next time someone reveals they posted 100+ days with a dip in, I will be on my soap box again. Don't care if anyone follows me or not. I say what I feel, and that's it.
Paddy Mac was a festering sore on the body of Ktc. That's why the admins picked him off.
If I'm one too, I hope they would do the same to me.
Ok all, I have been quiet a lot too. I said this in the chat room with a few guys and think it applies greatly.
1 - We are human, and yes when we have quit we want those who are wishing the same to do so. So whoever and where ever they are I will support someone who want to quit tobacco.
2 - We are also a site that is built on the Brotherhood and Accountability from those who join. With this comes a great set of rules that need to be followed. And I believe to protect the integrity of the site and these rules, that the proper course of action has been taken.
So when you look at it, it has been a take and use what you can and leave the rest. if in this case you still talk to, text, and support someone who is no longer a part of KTC, then I say great. As that is part of building brotherhood and family. But when a case comes along to endanger a system, the system has to be protected.
So if you ask me, do I support Paddy. the answer is yes
Do I support him as a part of the site here, that answer is no
I think this is something we can all at least see ...
