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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #291 on: November 20, 2013, 03:29:00 PM »
Dave,
You should go read the NOV thread before falling on your sword Doc2quit4good put up some pretty damning info about your sweet buddy Paddywacked seems he has been a longstanding douche bag. Sounds like he gets off friending people and then dropping bombshells on them. He is sick and twisted an I hope he gets a check up from the neck up.
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #290 on: November 20, 2013, 03:22:00 PM »
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #289 on: November 20, 2013, 03:12:00 PM »
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I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Like I could NOT respond to getting smeared. Nice writting a post where you try to cover your ass for every response. Tells me you really don't believe in what you are saying, or else you don't build in your rebuttals to rebuttals.

Yawn. Ok dude. Whatever you say. I never "bragged" about how many posts I had, I was simply responding to your allegation that I don't do anything here or help anybody.

I might not be your cup of tea, but I will always fight for the integrity of a site that saved my life.

The truth is you are judging me off this Paddy Mac deal and not have seen my full body of work.

The next time someone reveals they posted 100+ days with a dip in, I will be on my soap box again. Don't care if anyone follows me or not. I say what I feel, and that's it.

Paddy Mac was a festering sore on the body of Ktc. That's why the admins picked him off.

If I'm one too, I hope they would do the same to me.
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #288 on: November 20, 2013, 03:10:00 PM »
Quote from: sportsfan231
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Quote from: DippinDave911
I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like  YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think  administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.

Me? I don't need luck.

P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
hate to see anyone leave but none of this is new this is not the only group that has gone through this, but guess what people still come here and gets results even repeat cavers come back for the bashing why? because this system works period and most of those become very strong quitters and then they are the ones doing the bashing. brotherhood works better when you ask for help before you do something wrong did that happen?
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #287 on: November 20, 2013, 03:01:00 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Won
Quote from: OneImpressiveBall
Quote from: DippinDave911
I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like  YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think  administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.

Me? I don't need luck.

P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
hate to see anyone leave but none of this is new this is not the only group that has gone through this, but guess what people still come here and gets results even repeat cavers come back for the bashing why? because this system works period and most of those become very strong quitters and then they are the ones doing the bashing. brotherhood works better when you ask for help before you do something wrong did that happen?

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #286 on: November 20, 2013, 02:57:00 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Won
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Quote from: DippinDave911
I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like  YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think  administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.

Me? I don't need luck.

P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
Dave,
I have read your post I think that if you reread your 8th paragraph you will find the real reason you are so angry. You were betrayed the truth set him free and now you are stuck in his misery he was having keeping it a secret.

I caution you leaving the site if history holds true there will be 3 out of 5 of you back posting day 1's. That is if pride doesn't keep you from coming back. I also warn you the holidays are coming it is a shit time to be solo. Do as you must.
T
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #285 on: November 20, 2013, 02:37:00 PM »
Quote from: OneImpressiveBall
Quote from: DippinDave911
I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like  YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think  administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.

Me? I don't need luck.

P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
Hey, not everyone "gets it" and you are entitled to your opions. As OIB said, good luck. You and Nov 13 may need it. We don't. We quit and do so honestly, with integrity, and every damn day.
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #284 on: November 20, 2013, 02:09:00 PM »
Quote from: DippinDave911
I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like  YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think  administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.
Good luck.

Me? I don't need luck.

P.S. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from regularly calling and corresponding with Patrick to support him and his fight against nicotine, assuming that you're at all sincere about the significance of his ban. I'd certainly do that for anyone who I considered a brother. I'm a little concerned, however, that you are not entirely sincere and that nicotine is seductively whispering the words "let's plan to cave!" into your ear.
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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #283 on: November 20, 2013, 01:54:00 PM »
I realize I havent given it much time, but in light of recent postings I can see that nothing is going change. I have also been thinking alot on the whole Paddy situation. Now you're thinking, "Oh, shit wont they just let this go?" No, I wont. Paddy is a brother. Im not saying it is easy or possible to forget his previous indiscretions, but he is still a brother. This site wouldnt have a brotherhood without brothers. So, what? Are we just going to pick each other off one by one until we're back to the founding fathers?

I am not saying what Paddy did was right. Yes, I support him. Yes, I have his back. Thats what brothers are for. Everyone else is so quick to ban him, or just take sides with whoever is winning. Pat is an addict. By nature, addicts lie. Addicts are weak, manipulative and not fully in control of themselves. I thought KTC was about helping addicts to overcome these shortcomings, not shoo them away like some diseased animal.

Now you are thinking, "Who the hell this guy think he is? He's just some newbie that has only been 100 something days. No, you dont understand this site, you dont understand our principles." And why is that? Do I not get an opinion? Ive stuck around and paid my dues to this site. You got my fifty bucks so what now? Chew me up and spit me out with the rest? The utter disrespect the veterans have for anyone who is not them on this site is appalling. I sincerely apologize to any new quitter who had the disfortune of happening upon Pats intro before it was taken down, hidden forever. That is not what this site is supposed to be about, but sadly that IS all that I ever see lately. The "Vets" are so quick to get all "butt hurt," and then their special butterflies resurface and they can do no wrong. Perfect angels in a sea of addicts.

I wasnt going to use names but what the hell? Diesel is a perfect example. If someone effs up, you can be sure this douche will be there. This guy will make you feel like such an insignificant piece of shit. Heres the kicker though. Anyone who tries to speak against him is also going to taste his fury. Diesel is a follower, certainly not any leader I would follow. Be it the supporters or the haters, you will find him on whichever side has the most support. He doesnt give a shit as long as he is getting the attention he so relishes. This guy is the fucking epiphany of drama. If this is what brotherhood means, then I am not in the right place. Lucky for you Diesel, your reign of terror is now forever lost in the bowels of Pats intro, never to be seen again. Remember when you were bragging about how many posts you had compared to me? or KC Guy? When did this become a competition? I didnt realize that posts = status. You want to tell everyone that THEY are wrong and THEY dont have the experience to know what they are talking about? Why dont YOU take a step back? This isnt high school. This isnt a popularity contest. You want to protect the integrity of this site? How? This site has lost alot of its integrity thanks to people like YOU. Get a clue man, you're a festering sore on the body of KTC.

Obviously I wont be able to change anything. I mean, who really cares what the community thinks. No, no. Seven admins get to play judge, jury and executioner. Seven. Thats one hell of a brotherhood right there. So how do you do it? Everyone silently writes yes or no on a piece of paper to be pulled out of a hat? Majority wins? Do you actually weigh out the pros and cons? If this is a brotherhood then why isnt said brotherhood used to its fullest extent? Would it hurt to throw a poll out? Yes, No or Neutral. Should so  so be banned for his actions? Give me a chance to fight for what I believe in and there is no reason for me to have to come on here all upset with everything.

Hey vets, you want an example of brotherhood? Head over to Nov '13 and see how pissed off we are. All of us are feeling the impact of this and we are standing together, united as one. No, your right, thats not brotherhood. Brotherhood is elevating one above the others. Shitting on the lower class. Hmmm.... sounds like America. Good to know KTC is no different from the rest of the world. So new quitters, if you are here to find support, tread lightly because you never know when your time is up. When it is, well, dont bother trying to fight it. You fate is sealed.

For what it is worth, I would extend an apology to the few "good guys" on here. The ones who have genuinely helped me with my quit. Its pretty fucked up that it has come to this and I am sorry to have wasted your time. But I refuse to be a part of something that has no meaning. My quit has meaning. My life has meaning. Why waste another second of it getting shit on.

On that note, though whether you will see it or not I do not know, Paddy. Pat, you fucked up. You fucked up in Nov '12, you came back strong and then you fucked up again. Words cannot express the sadness I feel for you right now. You were such an inspiration to my quit, as well as many others in our group. You, perhaps above anyone else here had become one of my most trusted friends. I loved coming on here at night and sitting in Live Chat for hours talking about anything and everything. It felt good to have a brother I could lean on. Now I feel like I barely know you. I commend you for coming clean, even though you have condemned yourself. That takes some brass. I can say with certainty that I would have just lived with a story like that. No one would be any better for it, but I would still be here. I want you to understand how much support you have right now, and the serious implications of that. Every last Sky Diver has your back and in light of recent happenings alot of us are packing up our things and taking off. I just hope it is worth it. You had better be quit right now or all of this is for nothing. But, this is what a brotherhood is. We stick together, through good and bad. Everything I have said is 100% how I feel, but I will always have you back on this.

Dean, I dont even know where to begin. We've had our shortcomings but we plowed on through and now I count you as one of my dearest friends and brothers. I admire your strength and power within our group. You are an inspiration to me, and you have touched us all in ways no one outside of our brotherhood would ever be able to comprehend. You are a natural born leader, regardless of what others might think. I know you will not follow us, but hey, someone has to stay and keep the Sky Divers in line. I will never forget you Dean, for all you have done for us. I apologize for the ration of shit you are going to get from the other "brothers" outside of our group. But I cannot stay. I refuse to be a part of this madness. This last heinous act was the last straw. This site is losing everything I once believed it stood for. If Pat did not deserve to stay then who is to say Im not next? Or anyone else for that matter. No, this place is no longer the sanctuary I once saw it as. And clearly, I am not the only one that sees that. Take care Dean, and stay quit.

Diesel, there is nothing more I can say to you that hasnt already been said. Would it matter anyway? You inner tough guy would just use my own words against me, tell me I know nothing and I am wrong, you are better in every way, you get the point. Your reply to this, (And I know you will, to stir the pot) will prove my point.

The way anyone replies will prove my point. This site has gotten a bad reputation for pushing quitters away. I think administration needs to take a serious look into this. Brother + Accountability = Success. Looks great on paper but I dont see it being utilized. Take a good hard look at some of your members. See how many are abusing their power. See how many are not holding up the integrity. See how many are bullies. Root out the weeds so the rest may flourish.

These are my opinions, I am entitled to them. This is my last post and today is my last day posting roll. What happens after this will further strengthen what I have said. Your replies, no doubt angry and misplaced will prove that this "brotherhood" is built on lies. If this post is removed, it will prove this site has no integrity, no backbone. Or maybe you just want to ban me too, since I spoke "out of turn." This will prove all of the above. Silence the nay sayers and make an example of them.

Either way, I am quit. If you think for even one second that I am going at this alone, you are wrong. You see, this site has taught me one thing. Brotherhood. If I cant get that here, then I will get it with my real brothers. Paddy, Steve, Zak, anyone else who opens their eyes to this lie and moves on. I have your number and I will quit with you, one day at a time. We addicts have to be able to believe in something. When that something fails you, you have to move on to the next best thing. I hope you all feel the power of brotherhood with so many leaving it.

I am QLF with Paddy, Dean, Steve, Zak. Fuck the rest.

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #282 on: November 18, 2013, 01:07:00 AM »
Found this earlier. Couldnt have worded it better. Ill post the link but the site does not have a secure connection. Four Stages of Accountability

Accountability is where every leader wants their people to be mentally and emotionally. The accountable employee is one who says, “Despite the challenges I’m facing, I will handle this. I understand where my performance is and how I stack up. I’m going to measure my progress, work on it and I won’t give up. I take ownership, and I enjoy taking ownership.”

But accountability is not a black or white, either/or phenomenon. There are four stages leading up to accountability: denial, blame, excuses and anxiety. And dealing with an employee who is in denial is very different than dealing with somebody whoÂ’s in anxiety stage, just as helping someone move past blame is different than helping them move past the excuses stage. Learning where your organization and your people sit on these stages of accountability allows leaders to direct and design an approach to increase the levels of employee accountability.

HereÂ’s an overview of the four stages and what they look and sound like:

Denial: denial is the opposite of accountability. It’s an emotional and mental state that sounds something like this: “I don’t want to know. Nothing’s wrong. I am going to bury my head in the sand because I don’t want to know anything about this.” One clue that tells leaders that their people may be stuck in denial is not hearing about bad news.

Blame: Once people come out of denial it usually leads into blame. Blame is where folks accept that there is an issue, but they put the responsibility for that issue on someone else. One clue that you’re hearing blame is that it typically includes a proper name and sounds something like this: “There is an issue and I get that, but it’s not my issue; it’s somebody else’s issue. It’s Bob’s in the accounting department, or it’s Jill’s over in marketing, or it’s whoever’s—it’s somebody else’s. It’s not my issue. It’s somebody else’s problem.” The most accountable employees have constructive, 100 % Leaders who focus on fixing problems and mistakes instead of focusing on affixing blame.

Excuses: Once people come out of blame, they usually fall into excuses. Excuses typically sound like this: “Alright. You know what, I get that there’s an issue. Sure. I accept that. And you know what? I’ll even accept that it was my issue. But it’s not something for which I am totally responsible because I couldn’t get that report done because the server went down… I couldn’t do it because the dog ate my homework… Listen, there were mitigating circumstances. Yeah, I guess it’s my responsibility; I’m not assigning it to somebody else… I guess it falls on me but there were all these other factors that came into play here.” People typically resort to excuses out of a fear of being blamed. 100 % Leaders eliminate blame and provide support and encouragement, allowing employees to solve and learn from problems and errors.

Anxiety: The final stage before accountability is anxiety, and while people may be totally freaked out, we actually start to see people take some real ownership here. They might say: “Listen. You know what, I get that there’s an issue. It’s not somebody else’s issue, it’s my issue, and I’m not even going to fall back on an excuse that there were these mitigating circumstances. It’s on me. But now I’m freaking out because I don’t know if I know how to fix this or not, and I don’t want to get fired. The walls are coming down and we can’t possibly solve this all in time.” It’s the freak-out mode and even though it seems like folks far away from accountability (because they’re freaking out and anxious), they’re actually very close.

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #281 on: November 11, 2013, 02:25:00 AM »
thank you everyone that has helped me get here. definately would not have come this far without your support. (as much as i pissed you off along the way)

i can see 200 off in the distance...im running for it.

proud to be quit with ya'll.

dave

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #280 on: November 10, 2013, 07:47:00 PM »
I missed you yesterday brother, congrats on your HOF Dave!

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #279 on: November 10, 2013, 03:07:00 PM »
I was out of contact yesterday, so congrats on 101! Proud to be quit with you!

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #278 on: November 09, 2013, 10:56:00 AM »
Nice job brudda. Nice job!

You've pissed me off more than a time or 2 but, what the hell, that's life. Watching you turn your quit around was gratifying. Congrats on your 100 bro! See you at 101...

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Re: Long time coming...
« Reply #277 on: November 09, 2013, 09:06:00 AM »
Quote from: DippinDave911
A little update, havent done this in a while.

Had a REALLY bad anxiety attack at work tonight. Had a migraine all weekend then I get to work and its like walking into a wall of fog. I have to say, I counted myself lucky for I never really felt terribly foggy early in my quit. Sure, I was tired and lazy but not anything out of sorts for the typical american I am.

Tonight I got a nasty taste of all the fog I hadnt yet felt and then some. Felt like I was watching myself from outside my body. Everything was in slow motion. Really fucked up. Soon as those ear plugs went in, BAM. Hit me like a ton of bricks.

About two hours into work I started getting cold. Im in a 90+ degree factory for fucks sake! Legit freezing. What the hell? The headache comes back, just about knocks me on my ass. Temples pulsating, behind my eyes burning. Thats just scratching the surface.

I starting feeling funny. I know thats vague but im not sure how else to explain it. I wasnt dizzy at all, but a couple times I stumbled, or tripped on thin air. What the hell is going on?

Then comes the paranoia. I have no idea why, I have no idea what I was paranoid about. My eyes darted all over the place. I kept jumping at every noise. (And like I said, im in a factory; there is a TON of noise)

Then my mind started traveling. Thinking thoughts that were not my own. I could leave work early. I can go to the store and buy a can. Yes, a can. That would help.

I spent over an hour telling myself that this is what I would do. Then my mind took made a sharp U-turn. Conversations ive had with my brothers here fluttered through my mind. Guys early on in my quit saying my cave was the most premeditated cave they had seen. What was I thinking now? I was planning a cave AGAIN.

I thought to call a brother on my break, but then I got to thinking they would be eating dinner with their families. I didnt want to bother them. They are quit. They deserve family time.

My mind was going nuts. I got my boss over, told him I was leaving early. I did. I had to call for a ride, so I walked to the store. I stopped at the counter and just stared at all the cans. It would be so easy to just buy one can. Just one. Just one dip and I would feel better. I had to.

I wasnt ready to check-out though. I needed some tylenol for my head first. I found some and was walking back to the counter when I noticed something that caught my eye.

A bag of dill pickle sunflower seeds. That sparked yet another memory. I chose the seeds over the can. Thanks, Grizzfall.

This is how my night went. I got home and devoured that bag with pleasure. (your right grizz, alot easier on the cheek)

Now just a lingering headache. I guess if there is anything to learn from this, its that the Nic Bitch CAN sneak up on you at ANYTIME.

Be wary brothers, and FUCK ANXIETY!

NAFAR,

DD911 - Day 89.
Dave,
You just cemented the idea that each of us has an impact on others beyond our realization. I have had those torn moments in a corner store where you look at all the pretty color circles behind the counter...drooling. And you chose dill flavored sunflower seeds. Thats awesome. Thats winning. Fuck the naysayers and just keep trudging along. Next time you see the circle display, hate it.
-Grizzfall
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