General Discussion - 2012

[johnhenry62]

Thanks for all of the helpful info fellas!

[Greg5280]

Please comment the hell out of this guy. I just sent him this:

Brad,

I would suggest your test subjects visit these URLs before undergoing your study:

http://www.outdoortexan.com/mycancer.htm

http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Gruen.html

http://www.tobacco-facts.info/oral_cancer.htm

before you hook them on something that pushes massive amounts of nicotine into their system through the lip. In effect, you are doing the same as introducing a heroin addict to the needle after they have been snorting it. I am 48 days quit from smokeless after 25 years of hundreds of attempts to quit. When your test subjects come back to you asking why you pushed them to a nasty addiction more powerful than smoking and heroin, pray for them, and send them to

http://killthecan.org/

where they might have a fighting chance to survive.

I know you won't approve this comment to your blog, because it contradicts your research, but I hope you read it and visit the links, if you are man enough.

Very nice ! Sadly he probably will not look at any of the information you sent, but a fantastic post !!

I am heading over to send him something myself.

[CannondaleRob]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

Was your quote?: "that cig substitute still has 28 known carcinogens - you fucking dumbass!"

Then he probably won't post it...

He says he's a professor of medicine, so I assume that would make him a dcotor? I think we found the one doctor that would say to keep dipping 'Crazy'

My research is supported by unrestricted grants from tobacco manufacturers to the University of Louisville and by the Kentucky Research Challenge Trust Fund.

Well of course it is sweetheart. So that's why this guy claims smokless is "safer" than smoking. What a tool

Is this guy partners with Americannurses Dr. That told her to keep dippin for her health? Dumb asses everywhere!

Not to change the subject (Which is a good one) but i noticed something new in the stores down here in Texas. This is going to make it harder for people to quit. One of the reasons I quit was the waste of money. Yeah, not quite as good a reason as my health but that was to come later after after I got the nic outta my system and started reading the lit here.

I was at the register purchasing myself some smokey mountain and noticed something on the tobacco rack. The product i used to use has now released their new marketing ploy. They are now selling their garbage in a bucket with a refillable tin for you to carry around. The price made it less than a $1 per can.

I found myself smuttering that this was fucking insane. So this is how they are going to get around cost and keep the cost down, thus eliminating the money issue alot of people use to quit.

I was just wanting to run this by everyone and see what your opinions are. It seems the opposition is going to do what ever they can to keep people hooked.

MSymonds- Day 25, I quit with everyone here and thank all of you for the support...

Please comment the hell out of this guy. I just sent him this:

Brad,

I would suggest your test subjects visit these URLs before undergoing your study:

http://www.outdoortexan.com/mycancer.htm

http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Gruen.html

http://www.tobacco-facts.info/oral_cancer.htm

before you hook them on something that pushes massive amounts of nicotine into their system through the lip. In effect, you are doing the same as introducing a heroin addict to the needle after they have been snorting it. I am 48 days quit from smokeless after 25 years of hundreds of attempts to quit. When your test subjects come back to you asking why you pushed them to a nasty addiction more powerful than smoking and heroin, pray for them, and send them to

http://killthecan.org/

where they might have a fighting chance to survive.

I know you won't approve this comment to your blog, because it contradicts your research, but I hope you read it and visit the links, if you are man enough.

[MSymonds]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

Was your quote?: "that cig substitute still has 28 known carcinogens - you fucking dumbass!"

Then he probably won't post it...

He says he's a professor of medicine, so I assume that would make him a dcotor? I think we found the one doctor that would say to keep dipping 'Crazy'

My research is supported by unrestricted grants from tobacco manufacturers to the University of Louisville and by the Kentucky Research Challenge Trust Fund.

Well of course it is sweetheart. So that's why this guy claims smokless is "safer" than smoking. What a tool

Is this guy partners with Americannurses Dr. That told her to keep dippin for her health? Dumb asses everywhere!

Not to change the subject (Which is a good one) but i noticed something new in the stores down here in Texas. This is going to make it harder for people to quit. One of the reasons I quit was the waste of money. Yeah, not quite as good a reason as my health but that was to come later after after I got the nic outta my system and started reading the lit here.

I was at the register purchasing myself some smokey mountain and noticed something on the tobacco rack. The product i used to use has now released their new marketing ploy. They are now selling their garbage in a bucket with a refillable tin for you to carry around. The price made it less than a $1 per can.

I found myself smuttering that this was fucking insane. So this is how they are going to get around cost and keep the cost down, thus eliminating the money issue alot of people use to quit.

I was just wanting to run this by everyone and see what your opinions are. It seems the opposition is going to do what ever they can to keep people hooked.

MSymonds- Day 25, I quit with everyone here and thank all of you for the support...

[Wt57]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

Was your quote?: "that cig substitute still has 28 known carcinogens - you fucking dumbass!"

Then he probably won't post it...

He says he's a professor of medicine, so I assume that would make him a dcotor? I think we found the one doctor that would say to keep dipping 'Crazy'

My research is supported by unrestricted grants from tobacco manufacturers to the University of Louisville and by the Kentucky Research Challenge Trust Fund.

Well of course it is sweetheart. So that's why this guy claims smokless is "safer" than smoking. What a tool

Is this guy partners with Americannurses Dr. That told her to keep dippin for her health? Dumb asses everywhere!

[Kubrick]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

Was your quote?: "that cig substitute still has 28 known carcinogens - you fucking dumbass!"

Then he probably won't post it...

He says he's a professor of medicine, so I assume that would make him a dcotor? I think we found the one doctor that would say to keep dipping 'Crazy'

My research is supported by unrestricted grants from tobacco manufacturers to the University of Louisville and by the Kentucky Research Challenge Trust Fund.

Well of course it is sweetheart. So that's why this guy claims smokless is "safer" than smoking. What a tool

[Kubrick]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

Was your quote?: "that cig substitute still has 28 known carcinogens - you fucking dumbass!"

Then he probably won't post it...

He says he's a professor of medicine, so I assume that would make him a dcotor? I think we found the one doctor that would say to keep dipping 'Crazy'

[Notdeadyet]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

Was your quote?: "that cig substitute still has 28 known carcinogens - you fucking dumbass!"

Then he probably won't post it...

[Kubrick]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

For the past 15 years I have been involved in research and policy development regarding tobacco harm reduction (THR). THR advocates acknowledge that there are millions of smokers who are unable or unwilling to quit with conventional cessation methods involving tobacco and nicotine abstinence, and we encourage them to use cigarette substitutes that are far safer.

I left a comment on that person's blog who I quoted part of his biography above. I wonder if he'll approve my comment.

[Notdeadyet]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

Isn't it amazing that these dumbasses don't understand that it is a drug addiction.

[wastepanel]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

“smokers who chose the [Camel] snus product with higher nicotine levels tended to report greater craving and withdrawal relief, more satisfaction, smoking less cigarettes and achieving greater short-term abstinence.”

So the study concludes that Camel nicotine can help your nicotine withdrawals?

Guess what? Eating makes my food withdrawals cease until I get hungry again.

[steve1357]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

Unbelievable 'bang head'

Read through the bull shit and this study shows that replacing nicotine with nicotine helps nicotine addicts continue their nicotine addiction.

[chewie]

Smokeless Reduces Smoking in Small Clinical Trial
http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com/20 ... small.html

Thoughts?

[30yraddict]

Ok, 69 days free and I don't even think about the crap anymore, ever. What I do crave, the fake stuff. I was a wintergreen dipper. I changed brands over the years to get a cheaper price but always stayed with wintergreen. Having quit, I never could find a wintergreen herbal snuff that I liked much. Smokey Mountain came the closest but still didn't satisfy. However, I discovered if I mixed it with Hooch spitfire ( 2:1 ratio) that it gave it that burn that it was missing and I really like it. Which brings me to my concern. I'm worried I might like it a little too much.

I'm debating whether or not to order some more spitfire as I'm down to my last can. I figured I would ask some you more seasoned quitters your advice on this. Part of the reason I quit tobacco was for the health of my gums and teeth and doing the fake stuff is certainly not helping them any. That Smoky Mountian is loaded with sweetness. But I do not want to jeapordize my quit either. Would it be wise at this stage to try and quit the fake stuff?

Why have you never posted roll? You joined in April supposedly have 69 days quit but only have 2 posts? You should be in the July HOF group. Read the WELCOME CENTER up top to understand how things work around here and get to posting roll.

It says at the top of this page, "Questions, Comments, or Concerns Welcomed." I guess they forgot to add the "only if you post roll" part. As a matter of fact, I have read a great deal on this site and have yet to find a rule that states you can only ask questions or get questions answered if you are posting roll. I'm not saying no such rule exists, just that I haven't seen one.

You know, this site can be immensly helpful to someone quitting tobacco. That can't be overstated. But on these forums some of you really know how to behave like asses.

John,

I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just inviting you to use the tools provided on this site to their fullest potential.

Can people quit on their own? I'm sure there are those that can. For the rest of us mere mortals, having the support network of quitters available 24/7 is very important.

When we post roll to our group we make the promise to every quitter on this site that we won't use nicotine that day. Can you say nicotine is off the table today? Who can you reach out to if you start craving or some life altering event happens that weakens your resolve? The relationships built among the folks in each quit group as well as everyone else here keep me from using nicotine, cause I tell you what, around day 70 until now, I've been craving like day 1. If it wasn't for these fine gentlemen and ladies that I interact with on a daily basis, I might be back to putting that crap back into my lip.

Read some of the stories from retreads that come back to the site. Almost 100% of them say it's because they stopped posting roll and left the site.

Think about it and join us if you wish. We're a bunch of nice fellas in July for the most part (Just watch out for Cmark, he's a real piece of work)

I thought for sure you were gonna warn him about me Kubrick.

John I can tell you the failure rate of going it alone is high. I've been failing for 38+ yrs. today I quit day 88 my quit is stronger everyday because I make that promise. I can fall back on Kubrick or a number of other quitters everyday and they can come to me in their time of need. You don't have that, it is earned. To come here and ask for help from a group that hasn't ever heard your name is ridiculous. Sharing is a two way street.
I suggest you ask your personal contacts your question. Personally I smell troll!

So, it's ridiculous to come here and ask for help?

This is what i was talking about. Why even bother saying anything at all? No need in getting all smartass. You can easily just keep those kinds of comments to yourself, as they are helpful to no one.

John, this site is not for everyone, and it appears you figured that out early on by not participating in it.

As for the fake stuff, I use it more now than I did the first 60 days or so. Everyone is different, some guys never use it, some use for a while and some use it for hundreds of days before just stopping one day. It doesn't contain nicotine so in my opinion, use it as long as you want. I do. Unlike some people, it does not make me want the real stuff more. It curbs cravings and keeps the oral fixation in check.

I've long been of the opinion that I'd rather chew a can a day of the fake stuff for the rest of my days than ever have another dip of Kodiak.

That said, these days, the only time I have one is when I do a review for the site.

Use it... it's a tool. Eventually, you won't reach for it any more.

chewie

We are all different. I'm the opposite from Kubrick I always used it the 1st 60 days accually more than i dipped cope now it is an annoyance. But I do keep it around for those really bad ass craves. I've been dipping fake maybe once every 2 - 3 days.

I am also of the camp that says use whatever it takes to keep nicotine out of your mouth. The fake definitely made it easier to deal with craves.

Congrats on 69 days free. A word of caution though: The nic bitch (your ADDICTION) is most dangerous when you let your guard down. Posting roll, and helping other quitters keeps me vigilant. It is one of the many benefits of using ALL of the tools this site provides.

Stay Quit,

30

[Wt57]

Ok, 69 days free and I don't even think about the crap anymore, ever. What I do crave, the fake stuff. I was a wintergreen dipper. I changed brands over the years to get a cheaper price but always stayed with wintergreen. Having quit, I never could find a wintergreen herbal snuff that I liked much. Smokey Mountain came the closest but still didn't satisfy. However, I discovered if I mixed it with Hooch spitfire ( 2:1 ratio) that it gave it that burn that it was missing and I really like it. Which brings me to my concern. I'm worried I might like it a little too much.

I'm debating whether or not to order some more spitfire as I'm down to my last can. I figured I would ask some you more seasoned quitters your advice on this. Part of the reason I quit tobacco was for the health of my gums and teeth and doing the fake stuff is certainly not helping them any. That Smoky Mountian is loaded with sweetness. But I do not want to jeapordize my quit either. Would it be wise at this stage to try and quit the fake stuff?

Why have you never posted roll? You joined in April supposedly have 69 days quit but only have 2 posts? You should be in the July HOF group. Read the WELCOME CENTER up top to understand how things work around here and get to posting roll.

It says at the top of this page, "Questions, Comments, or Concerns Welcomed." I guess they forgot to add the "only if you post roll" part. As a matter of fact, I have read a great deal on this site and have yet to find a rule that states you can only ask questions or get questions answered if you are posting roll. I'm not saying no such rule exists, just that I haven't seen one.

You know, this site can be immensly helpful to someone quitting tobacco. That can't be overstated. But on these forums some of you really know how to behave like asses.

John,

I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just inviting you to use the tools provided on this site to their fullest potential.

Can people quit on their own? I'm sure there are those that can. For the rest of us mere mortals, having the support network of quitters available 24/7 is very important.

When we post roll to our group we make the promise to every quitter on this site that we won't use nicotine that day. Can you say nicotine is off the table today? Who can you reach out to if you start craving or some life altering event happens that weakens your resolve? The relationships built among the folks in each quit group as well as everyone else here keep me from using nicotine, cause I tell you what, around day 70 until now, I've been craving like day 1. If it wasn't for these fine gentlemen and ladies that I interact with on a daily basis, I might be back to putting that crap back into my lip.

Read some of the stories from retreads that come back to the site. Almost 100% of them say it's because they stopped posting roll and left the site.

Think about it and join us if you wish. We're a bunch of nice fellas in July for the most part (Just watch out for Cmark, he's a real piece of work)

I thought for sure you were gonna warn him about me Kubrick.

John I can tell you the failure rate of going it alone is high. I've been failing for 38+ yrs. today I quit day 88 my quit is stronger everyday because I make that promise. I can fall back on Kubrick or a number of other quitters everyday and they can come to me in their time of need. You don't have that, it is earned. To come here and ask for help from a group that hasn't ever heard your name is ridiculous. Sharing is a two way street.
I suggest you ask your personal contacts your question. Personally I smell troll!

So, it's ridiculous to come here and ask for help?

This is what i was talking about. Why even bother saying anything at all? No need in getting all smartass. You can easily just keep those kinds of comments to yourself, as they are helpful to no one.

John, this site is not for everyone, and it appears you figured that out early on by not participating in it.

As for the fake stuff, I use it more now than I did the first 60 days or so. Everyone is different, some guys never use it, some use for a while and some use it for hundreds of days before just stopping one day. It doesn't contain nicotine so in my opinion, use it as long as you want. I do. Unlike some people, it does not make me want the real stuff more. It curbs cravings and keeps the oral fixation in check.

I've long been of the opinion that I'd rather chew a can a day of the fake stuff for the rest of my days than ever have another dip of Kodiak.

That said, these days, the only time I have one is when I do a review for the site.

Use it... it's a tool. Eventually, you won't reach for it any more.

chewie

We are all different. I'm the opposite from Kubrick I always used it the 1st 60 days accually more than i dipped cope now it is an annoyance. But I do keep it around for those really bad ass craves. I've been dipping fake maybe once every 2 - 3 days.