General Discussion - 2010

[jadubbz]

Any one know where in Walmart they keep the Smokey Mountain?  I know when I get in there, I'm going to have to explain myself to 6 different employees what I'm looking for, the last one is probably going to be a super hot chick, so of course I'll change Smokey Mountain Chew to Magnum Rubbers...Hey!!! Maybe I can chew on those!!!

Usually keep it with the real stuff. If they do not have it you can try a tobacco shop.

Not sure where you are located but Casey's gas stations here in Iowa have SMC wintergreen, mint and classic.

Right on thanks...I went to a smoke shop this morning and the guy had no clue what I was talking about...then I thought, why would he carry such an item? I'll give WM a try after work, if it's a no-go, I'll be near a Casey's this evening...appreciate the response!

[Greg5280]

Any one know where in Walmart they keep the Smokey Mountain? I know when I get in there, I'm going to have to explain myself to 6 different employees what I'm looking for, the last one is probably going to be a super hot chick, so of course I'll change Smokey Mountain Chew to Magnum Rubbers...Hey!!! Maybe I can chew on those!!!

Usually keep it with the real stuff. If they do not have it you can try a tobacco shop.

Not sure where you are located but Casey's gas stations here in Iowa have SMC wintergreen, mint and classic.

[jadubbz]

Any one know where in Walmart they keep the Smokey Mountain? I know when I get in there, I'm going to have to explain myself to 6 different employees what I'm looking for, the last one is probably going to be a super hot chick, so of course I'll change Smokey Mountain Chew to Magnum Rubbers...Hey!!! Maybe I can chew on those!!!

[jdferguson07]

Ok, IÂ’ll try to keep this short and not too sappy. Here is why I am writing this today. I was sitting here at home this morning (I get to work from home once a week) and had a crave. Not a normal crave but a ball busting crave that got the better of me. It was so bad I started rooting around in the garage garbage looking for an old can. WellÂ….. I found one. It was dried out and looking pretty putrid. I opened it and took a whiff. Oh, it was heaven. But then it hit me! Could I really let down the boys at KTC or worse yet, could I let down my family????? Nah, its not worth it. IÂ’ve come too far to cave now and you all have a lot to do with that.

I am 30 days into my quit and I know I wouldn’t have made it this far if not for you all (my support group) and my family. I read as much as I can here everyday. I see all the personalities, the humor, the rage, smartasses, etc… sometime I sit and crack up, other times I’m like, “whoa, easy boys, don’t get your panties in a bundle”. But I will say, when someone is in need everyone here snaps into action. I like that, and I need that. The accountability is a humongous part of why I am still quit. I don’t want the embarrassment of posting I caved. So if you are new to the site and questioning the accountability of posting roll everyday, take heart, you will need it and appreciate it as you continue on your quit journey.

Now for family. Both you guys and my family are a great support group. My family is so into this quit it is amazing (wife and 3 kids). Every morning I hear “congrats dad on another day of being quit”. This is no lie! My family knows the day I am on better then I do. My 12 year old heard me telling my wife about this site and the HOF. She heard it all, the support I’ll get and my goal of 100 days. So off she went, up stairs and got to work. All on her own she made a chain out of paper with 100 links (like you see kids make at Christmas, where you take a link off until 1 is left on Christmas day). Each link has an inspirational message for me, like “your doing great” etc… She worked on this for 2 days without me knowing. When she finished she hung it up on the railing heading up the stairs and called me up stairs. When I got to the stairs there she was, standing with a big smile and said, “I love you dad and we are all so proud of you”. Tell ya what, wasn’t a dry eye in the house (that’s the sappy part). So now I take a link off everyday and when I get to 100 I get a big surprise. This my friends is another form of accountability!

So here I am, 30 days into a solid quit and there is no looking back now. No more rooting through the garbage. I know IÂ’ll have good days and bad days with all the emotions that go with it. But I take solace in knowing I have you guys to lean on when I struggle and I also have support right here at home. Man, I am going to have an awesome HOF speech when I get there!!!

Good for you. Don't let that little girl down!

[chewie]

Ok, IÂ’ll try to keep this short and not too sappy. Here is why I am writing this today. I was sitting here at home this morning (I get to work from home once a week) and had a crave. Not a normal crave but a ball busting crave that got the better of me. It was so bad I started rooting around in the garage garbage looking for an old can. WellÂ….. I found one. It was dried out and looking pretty putrid. I opened it and took a whiff. Oh, it was heaven. But then it hit me! Could I really let down the boys at KTC or worse yet, could I let down my family????? Nah, its not worth it. IÂ’ve come too far to cave now and you all have a lot to do with that.

I am 30 days into my quit and I know I wouldn’t have made it this far if not for you all (my support group) and my family. I read as much as I can here everyday. I see all the personalities, the humor, the rage, smartasses, etc… sometime I sit and crack up, other times I’m like, “whoa, easy boys, don’t get your panties in a bundle”. But I will say, when someone is in need everyone here snaps into action. I like that, and I need that. The accountability is a humongous part of why I am still quit. I don’t want the embarrassment of posting I caved. So if you are new to the site and questioning the accountability of posting roll everyday, take heart, you will need it and appreciate it as you continue on your quit journey.

Now for family. Both you guys and my family are a great support group. My family is so into this quit it is amazing (wife and 3 kids). Every morning I hear “congrats dad on another day of being quit”. This is no lie! My family knows the day I am on better then I do. My 12 year old heard me telling my wife about this site and the HOF. She heard it all, the support I’ll get and my goal of 100 days. So off she went, up stairs and got to work. All on her own she made a chain out of paper with 100 links (like you see kids make at Christmas, where you take a link off until 1 is left on Christmas day). Each link has an inspirational message for me, like “your doing great” etc… She worked on this for 2 days without me knowing. When she finished she hung it up on the railing heading up the stairs and called me up stairs. When I got to the stairs there she was, standing with a big smile and said, “I love you dad and we are all so proud of you”. Tell ya what, wasn’t a dry eye in the house (that’s the sappy part). So now I take a link off everyday and when I get to 100 I get a big surprise. This my friends is another form of accountability!

So here I am, 30 days into a solid quit and there is no looking back now. No more rooting through the garbage. I know IÂ’ll have good days and bad days with all the emotions that go with it. But I take solace in knowing I have you guys to lean on when I struggle and I also have support right here at home. Man, I am going to have an awesome HOF speech when I get there!!!

This is awesome... well done. You're well on your way!

chewie

[Head Honco 2002]

Head Honcho 2002 Day 2 Quit

[Adub]

Ok, IÂ’ll try to keep this short and not too sappy. Here is why I am writing this today. I was sitting here at home this morning (I get to work from home once a week) and had a crave. Not a normal crave but a ball busting crave that got the better of me. It was so bad I started rooting around in the garage garbage looking for an old can. WellÂ….. I found one. It was dried out and looking pretty putrid. I opened it and took a whiff. Oh, it was heaven. But then it hit me! Could I really let down the boys at KTC or worse yet, could I let down my family????? Nah, its not worth it. IÂ’ve come too far to cave now and you all have a lot to do with that.

I am 30 days into my quit and I know I wouldn’t have made it this far if not for you all (my support group) and my family. I read as much as I can here everyday. I see all the personalities, the humor, the rage, smartasses, etc… sometime I sit and crack up, other times I’m like, “whoa, easy boys, don’t get your panties in a bundle”. But I will say, when someone is in need everyone here snaps into action. I like that, and I need that. The accountability is a humongous part of why I am still quit. I don’t want the embarrassment of posting I caved. So if you are new to the site and questioning the accountability of posting roll everyday, take heart, you will need it and appreciate it as you continue on your quit journey.

Now for family. Both you guys and my family are a great support group. My family is so into this quit it is amazing (wife and 3 kids). Every morning I hear “congrats dad on another day of being quit”. This is no lie! My family knows the day I am on better then I do. My 12 year old heard me telling my wife about this site and the HOF. She heard it all, the support I’ll get and my goal of 100 days. So off she went, up stairs and got to work. All on her own she made a chain out of paper with 100 links (like you see kids make at Christmas, where you take a link off until 1 is left on Christmas day). Each link has an inspirational message for me, like “your doing great” etc… She worked on this for 2 days without me knowing. When she finished she hung it up on the railing heading up the stairs and called me up stairs. When I got to the stairs there she was, standing with a big smile and said, “I love you dad and we are all so proud of you”. Tell ya what, wasn’t a dry eye in the house (that’s the sappy part). So now I take a link off everyday and when I get to 100 I get a big surprise. This my friends is another form of accountability!

So here I am, 30 days into a solid quit and there is no looking back now. No more rooting through the garbage. I know IÂ’ll have good days and bad days with all the emotions that go with it. But I take solace in knowing I have you guys to lean on when I struggle and I also have support right here at home. Man, I am going to have an awesome HOF speech when I get there!!!

[blueclaw]

Adub,

I dipped for 23 years, probably alot like you. I liked to chew right up to the point where I stopped. I no longer miss it, not even a little. I had anxiety attacks when I quit. I drove myself to the hospital at one point because I thought I was having a heart attack.  I had uncontrollable dip rage. I was beyond anger. I too felt the depression and loss and irritability and all the other crap you mention.  Your in the fog still, just hang in and it will clear. As for the rest of it , I can un wrap your mind if you read thru.

First,

Ok, here is the problem. Apparently all dippers are not created equal.

This is a common addict rationalization, " I'm different, it's harder for me" get over it, it isn't harder for you ,and your no different than most of us. There are far far heavier users on this site than you, that have quit successfully. I chewed every second of my waking day. I thought I was a big addict until I read about guys putting a dip in to SLEEP WITH. YOU ARE AN ADDICT, telling yourself it is harder for you is an excuse to fail. This is a well documented relapse strategy, so stop believing in that, it's a lie.

My thoughts are consumed with this quit.

You are fixating on it, when you contantly think about craving and dipping and POTENTIAL side effects, your mind starts to create your reality. If the shit hits you then so be it, but try this. Next time you get a crave, acknowledge that your having it, then think about what the trigger was. Driving? computer? work? wake up? then decide on how to handle it. Take a walk, take a breath, use some fake dip, read on the site, go to chat, whatever. Then let it go. You may do this 100 times a day . There is nothing in a crave that can hurt you, emotionally or physically, fixating on it as in " I want one, I want one Iwant one" WILL make it sooo much harder. I know you can't ignore it, thats why you have to acknowledge it first, BUT then train your self to do something else. Your in a loop that you need to step out of.

miss it and miss it dearly

You don't miss the buzz, because there wasn't one anymore.
You certainly don't miss the spitters and the mess
Do you miss the hassle of going to the store at odd hours so you don't run out?
Do you miss the spills?
How bout the mouth sores and scraping the dead skin off in the morning?
Perhaps you miss the fear of cancer or anxiety about going to the dentist?
Maybe you miss spending the cash.
Maybe you miss looking like a douchebag with a lump in your lip.

You think it calmed you down? right? LIE, that feeling of calm you got from it was nothing more than getting your fix. It was removing the withdrawl symptoms. Thats it. Nicotine raises blood pressure, it elevated your heart rate. It didn't settle you down. The chilled out effect was ONLY THE REMOVAL OF THE WITHDRAWL..

Truly, there is nothing to miss, it is all a scam adub. The only thing that stuffwas good for was to keep you addicted to it.

Get this, the feelings you have now are CAUSED BY YOUR ADDICTION. If you never started, you wouldn't feel the way you do right now. Your craving the thing that created your problem. Nicotine created that feeling of loss, or something missing, or the void that you feel. DIP DOESN"T MAKE THAT GO AWAY, IT CREATED IT. Time and healing will make it go away.

On drugs,

So lemme get this straight. Your willing to ingest one of the most deadly neurotoxins known to man. Nicotine is essentially a insecticide. BUT you won't take any drugs to help you quit. I was just like you. I didn't want to take any of that shit either, however. I realized I needed some help, I went to talk to my family doctor and was prescribed ativan. It was a take as needed dose. When shit got to heavy and I was really having a hard time I could take one. I used this for about six months. It helped. I can't recommend Chantix or wellbutrin or any of that stuff, because I have no personal experience. I do know that having some meds to bring down my anxiety and irritability was huge for my own quit.

If you had cancer, I bet you would take any medication under the sun to try to beat it. What would you endure to save your life so you can meet your daughters daughters and sons. What hell would you go thru to walk your baby girls down the aisle.?Chemo?, radiation? all of it? You say your no pussy so I bet you'd do whatever you could to try to live longer. This begs the question, why won't you do whatever it takes now? Don't kid yourself, your already in the ring with this shit , it will get you eventually. Cancer , stroke, heart attack, a million different ways for nic to kill you. You should consider fighting back. Quitting is not a spectator sport, and just trying to ride it out will get you no where. I took the meds because I was going to quit no matter what the consequences are.

Dont tell me its too expensive, its cheaper than dip.
It isn't embarassing either. No less than a grown man spitting all over the place, and keeping cups of spit everywhere.

But I have yet to read anything or see anyone post an experience or admit to experiencing the symptoms I am having

You must be kidding, read more brother. Have you read the cancer and quitter stories? All the Hof Speeches? The intros? The shit in May10? It is everywhere, hell, my own intro page is loaded with this shit. I bet I made you look like the most stable guy in the world. READ READ READ READ READ.

I'll give you an abridged version of me.

23 year two can a day habit and I smoked too, but only because I couldn't chew enough to kill the withdrawls.

Quit and wound up medicated, in marriage counseling, seeing a pastorial counselor, and a shrink. Had MASSIVE anger, anxiety, depression, rage, confusion, you name it. Had to re-learn how to live my life without nicotine. Eventually was diagnosed with ADD , the nicotine was a way to self medicate. It works just like ritalin or adderall. Counseling was because like you I was coming unglued. Marriage counseling was because I was taking my quit out on my wife, and because years of chewing had done untold damage to my realationship. (ever stay up late by yourself to dip instead of going to bed with your bride) .
Little by little I pulled out of it. I posted roll daily, I read everything on this site . I still do. I posted up just like you did today when I was struggling. I hated it. I even made the same bullshit rationalizations you did. I took it a bit farther , to where I decided that life might be better if I dipped again and that all this shit wasn't worth it.

Ultimately , ALL OF IT WAS WORTH IT. All that shit your going thru disappears over time. Your going to have to re-learn how to live, relate with others, feel, and function without that poison. I can't tell you how much better it gets. I don't know you and you don't know me, but believe me when I tell you that it WILL get better, and you WILL look back and than God that you stayed on the course. The freedom you will gain and the feeling of reclaiming your life is tremendous. I would do it all again, if I had known I would have done it sooner. It's hard I know, but it can be done.

last, you dipped for more than 20 years. But call it 20 for math sake. Thats 7,300 days. You have been quit for only 24. Is it any wonder that you are still having a hard time? Patience.... you earning the tools and paying the price to earn your freedom. When will it get better? When it does. There is no magic finish line. Just keep quiting for today. It is like watching a plant grow. You can't see it happening, but then one day you look at it and think " Damn, when did that happen."

sM

Dayumm. that is exactly what I needed to hear. Counciling and support goes a long way in this. Thx fellas for the replies, I will take it to heart. And SM, if this depression doesn't fade soon yes, i will seek professional help. I quit for my health and right now my family is only getting half of me, the other half is dying with the nic. So if I can't get this shipped righted and soon I will ask for help. Either way, next step is to get through my Friday night. 7:40 my time and I'm here posting. How pathetic am I? Oh well, see you all in the morning for roll...

This is what we called "terminal uniqueness" in AA. Get your shit straight or die. Very simple.

Hows that go Thor , half way measures availed us nothing ?

[blueclaw]

Day 16 quitter's log book:  I went to the specialist today.  My dentist referred me to this specialist to do a biopsy of my lip.  My dentist made this referall about six months ago.  My wife found the referall about one day ago and made the appointment.  I'm there and he is explaining to me how he will remove my lower lip if the tissue is cancerous and I'm having the biggest crave of my life. I feel guilty as hell for having this crave.  I've all the times not to be a fuck up this is it.  I owe these sixteen day's to ktc and the help of quitter's.  I would not make it through times like this with out you guy's.  There is alot of bullshit on this site I don't agree with.  I'm not going to let that get in the way of the purpose of this group.  To quit and help the next guy quit.  That's  it.

I've said a prayer that the biopsy will come back negative. When will you get the results?

We are with you brother.

I wholeheartedly agree with MSHowell. We are with you. A prayer your way, friend. Know that you are doing the absolute best thing by keeping the crap out of your mouth and your body.

prayers sent.

Hey Jekll , My prayers also go out to you and your wife. On another note, Each day Im off the nic I continue to see things in a differant light. Being able to keep things in their proper perspective. You no exactly what im talking about. I over E.You are going to be ok bro make sure you stay close to the sorce. Mike

[Kdip]

I've read that nicotine use opens endorphin "pathways" for lack of a better term.  Continued, extreme usage, causes all the pathways to open up (which the human body normally reserves for only the most extreme circumstatnces good or bad).  Kinda like a slut's pussy.  Then when these pathways start to feel even the slighted bit deprived they start to scream for more nicotine.  Kinda like a slut screaming for cock.  Which keeps the user addicted.  Extended usage cause these passageways to become stuck open for a period of time, which is why an addict remains addicted even after the shit is outta his system. 

I guess what I'm asking is... when will my pussy snap back into shape?  Seriously, are there any clinical studies?  Any links?

I know I will always be addicted mentally, but physically, when will my body stop demanding nicotine?

Can I nominate this post for "Words of Wisdom"? Outstanding!!! 'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'

'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup' Seriously, I think the physical part should pass in the first 30 days, but you will get periods of intense craves off and on all the way up to HOF and beyond. The difference is over time the craves tend to not last as long and you will get better at fighting them off when they do hit. Staying close to this site is your best front line defense. You can DO this one day at a time!!!!!

[Kdip]

Day 16 quitter's log book:  I went to the specialist today.  My dentist referred me to this specialist to do a biopsy of my lip.  My dentist made this referall about six months ago.  My wife found the referall about one day ago and made the appointment.  I'm there and he is explaining to me how he will remove my lower lip if the tissue is cancerous and I'm having the biggest crave of my life. I feel guilty as hell for having this crave.  I've all the times not to be a fuck up this is it.  I owe these sixteen day's to ktc and the help of quitter's.  I would not make it through times like this with out you guy's.  There is alot of bullshit on this site I don't agree with.  I'm not going to let that get in the way of the purpose of this group.  To quit and help the next guy quit.  That's  it.

I've said a prayer that the biopsy will come back negative. When will you get the results?

We are with you brother.

I wholeheartedly agree with MSHowell. We are with you. A prayer your way, friend. Know that you are doing the absolute best thing by keeping the crap out of your mouth and your body.

prayers sent.

[greg40]

I've read that nicotine use opens endorphin "pathways" for lack of a better term. Continued, extreme usage, causes all the pathways to open up (which the human body normally reserves for only the most extreme circumstatnces good or bad). Kinda like a slut's pussy. Then when these pathways start to feel even the slighted bit deprived they start to scream for more nicotine. Kinda like a slut screaming for cock. Which keeps the user addicted. Extended usage cause these passageways to become stuck open for a period of time, which is why an addict remains addicted even after the shit is outta his system.

I guess what I'm asking is... when will my pussy snap back into shape? Seriously, are there any clinical studies? Any links?

I know I will always be addicted mentally, but physically, when will my body stop demanding nicotine?

Can I nominate this post for "Words of Wisdom"? Outstanding!!! 'crackup' 'crackup' 'crackup'

[Dave911]

I've read that nicotine use opens endorphin "pathways" for lack of a better term. Continued, extreme usage, causes all the pathways to open up (which the human body normally reserves for only the most extreme circumstatnces good or bad). Kinda like a slut's pussy. Then when these pathways start to feel even the slighted bit deprived they start to scream for more nicotine. Kinda like a slut screaming for cock. Which keeps the user addicted. Extended usage cause these passageways to become stuck open for a period of time, which is why an addict remains addicted even after the shit is outta his system.

I guess what I'm asking is... when will my pussy snap back into shape? Seriously, are there any clinical studies? Any links?

I know I will always be addicted mentally, but physically, when will my body stop demanding nicotine?

[chewless jim]

pass this information on to your nicotine friends... http://www.ucanquit2.org/facts/gaspo/Default.aspx

[quit_aug_27_08]

Day 16 quitter's log book:  I went to the specialist today.  My dentist referred me to this specialist to do a biopsy of my lip.  My dentist made this referall about six months ago.  My wife found the referall about one day ago and made the appointment.  I'm there and he is explaining to me how he will remove my lower lip if the tissue is cancerous and I'm having the biggest crave of my life. I feel guilty as hell for having this crave.  I've all the times not to be a fuck up this is it.  I owe these sixteen day's to ktc and the help of quitter's.  I would not make it through times like this with out you guy's.  There is alot of bullshit on this site I don't agree with.  I'm not going to let that get in the way of the purpose of this group.  To quit and help the next guy quit.  That's  it.

I've said a prayer that the biopsy will come back negative. When will you get the results?

We are with you brother.

I wholeheartedly agree with MSHowell. We are with you. A prayer your way, friend. Know that you are doing the absolute best thing by keeping the crap out of your mouth and your body.