General Discussion - 2010

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Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

ok manbearpig, you have no excuses now!!! Greg40 is a bad-ass quittter and he now has your back!!! Let's get this done!!!

One is too many, a thousand aren't enough.

It is never right to cave. Never. You're my brother MBP, but there are times when an addict has to worry about their own quit. Get your ass going.

what I think sucks is that you did not post this in the April group where you have been making your promise each day. There will be a lot of your quit brothere who will never see this.

Quit groups are for people that are quit....not for people that are going to post a day one "tomorrow".

42 - that is how many skirt wearing, apron tugging, namby pambies came through March 2010 posted a Day 1 and then dissappeared without ever manning up and owning their failure. Wait....41.....gotta give goochy his due. Greg40 is right, it isn't okay but I think you get that. Hence, why you are potentially different than the 41 sallies I just mentioned. MikeA is also right, I think you owe it to April to go in there and explain to them what happened. That would be manning up.

Check you pm. I am going to send you my number and when you think you are about to cave call me. If you can convince me that your logic is sound I will give you my blessing and you can have that chew and I will come back to the group and take all the heat. (disclosure - I am weak and always seeks the approval of others)

[redtrain14]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

ok manbearpig, you have no excuses now!!! Greg40 is a bad-ass quittter and he now has your back!!! Let's get this done!!!

One is too many, a thousand aren't enough.

It is never right to cave. Never. You're my brother MBP, but there are times when an addict has to worry about their own quit. Get your ass going.

what I think sucks is that you did not post this in the April group where you have been making your promise each day. There will be a lot of your quit brothere who will never see this.

Quit groups are for people that are quit....not for people that are going to post a day one "tomorrow".

[MikeA]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

ok manbearpig, you have no excuses now!!! Greg40 is a bad-ass quittter and he now has your back!!! Let's get this done!!!

One is too many, a thousand aren't enough.

It is never right to cave. Never. You're my brother MBP, but there are times when an addict has to worry about their own quit. Get your ass going.

what I think sucks is that you did not post this in the April group where you have been making your promise each day. There will be a lot of your quit brothere who will never see this.

[BOC333]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

ok manbearpig, you have no excuses now!!! Greg40 is a bad-ass quittter and he now has your back!!! Let's get this done!!!

One is too many, a thousand aren't enough.

It is never right to cave. Never. You're my brother MBP, but there are times when an addict has to worry about their own quit. Get your ass going.

[Mjollnir]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

ok manbearpig, you have no excuses now!!! Greg40 is a bad-ass quittter and he now has your back!!! Let's get this done!!!

One is too many, a thousand aren't enough.

[Kdip]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

ok manbearpig, you have no excuses now!!! Greg40 is a bad-ass quittter and he now has your back!!! Let's get this done!!!

[greg40]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

That's good enough for me. Check your pm's...I'm going to send you my number. Also, I'm giving you my word that I'm going to post roll with you threw your HOF. You are giving your word to me and the rest of the people here that you are QUIT!! You can do this, bro!!! Get it done!!

[manbearpig]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

I take this very seriously which is why I sacked up and admitted I was a fucking failure. I'm not trying to quit, I'm going to. Thanks for the support/advice/kick in the pants

[greg40]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch.  I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down.  I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip".  There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today.  I messed up.  I fell into the lie of rationalization.  Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy.  It will eat you alive from the inside out.  DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION!  I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one.  I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there.  I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot.  Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one".  You are an addict.  You can't.  I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave.  I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1.  My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

I gotta disagree....Caving is not OK....EVER!!! Do something else. In my opinion, you should be very ashamed!! You gave your word, and you caved. Your word doesn't mean shit right now!! You need to get your ass into the May group and redeem yourself and prove to us that you are a man of your word. This shit is deadly serious...treat it as such or kindly piss off!!


If you need any help, advice, or a phone number, please pm me. Don't fuck your quit brothers over again.

[BOC333]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch. I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down. I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip". There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today. I messed up. I fell into the lie of rationalization. Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy. It will eat you alive from the inside out. DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION! I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one. I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there. I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot. Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one". You are an addict. You can't. I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave. I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1. My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

That's OK, but remember all of your brothers out here who have made it through to the other side without caving. I know its hard, but ANYONE can cave...only people ready to take their lives back will get through the fog, the anxiety, etc. ARE READY TO QUIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.

Seriously...SHOW US THAT YOU CAN HOLD A QUIT RATHER THAN TALKING ABOUT IT.

[slomoe]

Nothing to be ashamed of, I quit for 36 days last year and caved liked nobody's business, just got back to my quit 5 days ago. Need to have numbers when the rationalization starts. It is amazing what you can convince your self of.

[manbearpig]

Don't know if this is the right place or not but I have to get this off my chest... Quit on January 13th and made it almost three weeks and caved like a bitch. I let my friends down, my family down and my fiancee down. I also let down all of the guys in my quit group bc contrary to everything I have read I thought I could have just "one dip". There is no such thing... I caved last Sunday after a very stressful week and have not been able to quit again until today. I messed up. I fell into the lie of rationalization. Let me tell you something rationalizing is the fucking enemy. It will eat you alive from the inside out. DO NOT RATIONALIZE YOUR DECISION! I battled for three weeks and felt the best I have in years, and now I find myself back at day one. I won't let this shit beat me, it won a battle and it ends there. I will be posting roll in the May group starting tomorrow and starting on a fresh foot. Please friends once you quit don't think you can have "just one". You are an addict. You can't. I made it 3 weeks almost and that lie and rationalization lead to a complete relapse, not just a cave. I messed up bad, and I'm man enough to admit it, so tomorrow I start at Day 1. My apologies to whoever reads this, I let everyone down.

[PbKid]

New blog post: When Will Big Tobacco Quit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=354

Chewie's blog post nails it. Whether dip is safer than cigarettes, or by how much, isn't the issue. Dip is bad in its own right and is capable of causing untold amounts of harm. The government shouldn't be doing anything that suggests that dipping is appropriate or acceptable.

They spent almost 12 Billion (with a B) for UST last year. My guess is that 'the letter' was a part of the business plan at the time. Thanks for putting some sunlight on this chewie and vidoc.

[Mjollnir]

"Safer than smoking" is the trap I fell into. That was back in... '88...? Since I've quit (-42- days) I've noticed a serious change in my physical condition. Smokeless or not, I'm breathing better. I went out shooting this morning, the first time since I quit. I was walking back from the targets and felt something was missing. It took me two steps to realize what it was and one more to become angry with myself for making such a stupid mistake so many years ago. I know this will never let go of me, and it really wasn't all that great anyway. 'bang head'

[Vidocq]

New blog post: When Will Big Tobacco Quit?
http://blog.killthecan.org/?p=354

Chewie's blog post nails it. Whether dip is safer than cigarettes, or by how much, isn't the issue. Dip is bad in its own right and is capable of causing untold amounts of harm. The government shouldn't be doing anything that suggests that dipping is appropriate or acceptable.