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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #387 on: March 16, 2012, 06:55:00 PM »
Nice first step.

*LOOT offers SWJ a hand up, dusts him off, pats him on his firm yet supple ass, and sends him back in the quit*

Welcome back bro.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #386 on: March 16, 2012, 06:27:00 PM »
Understand that what I put down here is not intended or expected to get me right back where I was with this group. I don't at all expect to "slide right back" in or to post up shitloads of hilarity or arrogance. Believe me, the hilarity and arrogance hasn't at all returned, if it ever will.

Consider this instead, Step 2 of what's likely to be an almost infinite number of steps here. Step 1 was coming back and owning what I've got coming. Step 2 is just me laying down the truth.

Maybe it will help someone and maybe it won't. Either way though, for what it's worth, I owe at least that much to the guys who helped me here.

I almost wish I could say that some traumatic shit happened to make me cave.

It didn't.

It was nothing more than standing in line at a convenience store to pay for a cup of coffee.

Before it really registered, I had asked for a can, paid, walked out to my truck, opened it up, and stuffed a big, glorious wad in my pie-hole.

Shit. That's when it registered.

All that I had done. All the bravado. All the smack-talk.

Gone. Undone. Worthless.

I don't even remember how many days Quit I was then, because every one of those days went bye-bye in that one fucking moment. I know it was a lot, and I know how much it hurt to see them go.

So then, a choice: Do I come back to KTC the next day and fess up to my terrible behavior..?

Or do I just push that certain unpleasantness aside and go with the can instead..?

You know the choice I made - Going back to my habit was easier than coming back here.

You see, to come back here would be, in my mind at the time, pretty sucky. I'd have to publicly admit that I wasn't as awesome as I thought I was, that I was weak, and that most of you guys were stronger than me. I'd have to own all kinds of unpleasant admissions and I just didn't want to do it.

I agonized over it. I really did.

But I wasn't strong enough to make the right call.

So since then, I've been off and on... On my own. Sometimes not chewing for months and then other times convincing myself that one can won't hurt.

This, as you all know better than I, is unmitigated bullshit.

While some dudes can just quit things like tobacco on their own, with no support group, no accountability, and no problems, I'm obviously not one of them.

None of us are, or you wouldn't be here.

Admitting this to myself and owning my multiple weaknesses brought me back here.

And here's the ridiculously simple math:

SWJ On His Own + Tobacco = Disaster
SWJ And KTC + Tobacco = Quit

You see, I got past my 100 days and somehow became convinced that I'd been cured of my addiction. I stopped posting roll. I lost touch. I fell away.

And look what happened.

WTF. Am I going to be posting roll up in here when I'm 65 fucking years old..?

That's bullshit - I just want to be done.

But with me, I realize, this isn't the way it works. I WILL have to be posting roll in here 20 years from now, if I want to stay Quit.

Apparently, I just can't do it alone.

Which sucks in a lot of ways, but it is what it is.

So, here I am.

Humbled...

Embarrassed...

Ashamed...

Disappointed...

And firm in the belief that I need this place to kick this shit.

So bring it on - I deserve whatever you want to say, as I know how it works here.

For my part, I want to be done with this  along the way, if I'm able to regain some of the trust that we built together before, that sure would be nice.

But I expect it will take time, and I'm ready to do my part.

For now, no bullshit, no comedy, no awesomeness.

Just me, leaning on the accountability here, one day at a time.
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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #385 on: March 16, 2012, 06:10:00 PM »
Quote from: loot
Quote from: Aglawyer
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: DeanTheCoot
It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.
Listen to Dean.
This is the most important sentence in this entire conversation.
Ode to Keddy. index.php?showtopic=4819

Wise words my friend.
I'm probably going to get blasted for my empathy here. However, I will say it anyway. This dude has gotten majorly blasted over the last couple of days...and rightfully so after blowing his quit. He blew it on many fronts. Nonetheless, I hope that he gets back in here and does it right this time. If anything, lessons can be learned that no matter how confident and strong you are in your quit, if you walk away and forget, there is a high probability that you will return to slavery. I'm taking what has happened to him to heart. In my mind there is nothing that can cause me to cave...nothing. Based on what I'm reading, he felt that same way...but here he is posting Day 2 today.

That being said. I learned a valuable lesson from this guy. I hope he isn't pushed away by the attacks. We're in the business of saving lives here so I'd like to see his saved as well.

You're taking your licks, SWJ...and you certainly deserve them. But I'd like to see you back here staying quit and offering some words as to what led you down the road back to the can. Good luck.
He's been around this place long enough to understand he was gonna get de-nutted and have his sack handed to him. He prolly participated in his share of de-nuttings to.

All of the venom is primarily the reaction to feelings of betrayal. SWJ made a deal with some people. The deal was quite simple. He knew the commitment. He knew, by drinking the kool-aide, what he expected of others and in turn, what they could expect of him. Some lived up to their part of the relationship. He did not. He betrayed his family. He betrayed this site. He betrayed his friends/quitters. And worse, he betrayed himself.

He forgot. After repeating a process for what, a 1000 days?, he forgot. He forgot Day 1. He forgot why he posted it. He, like many before him, forgot he was an addict. We all have done it privately. Some do it publicly. Those guys get de-nutted for their betrayal. It ain't pretty. It's not supposed to be. If you want it pretty, go to Lite. They'll stroke your caving sack, rather than feeding it to you.

SWJ fucked up. He knows it. He's going to be reminded of it, frequently. However, through it all, you can bet your ass he won't forget this Day 1. By the way SWJ, LOOT hopes the next few days are fucking brutal bro. Not cause LOOT is a sadist but because you got a thick fucking skull. Brutal....lest you forget.

When the dust settles, SWJ will have no better support than the very guys holding his sack today. That's the beauty of it. They'll eventually let him have his nuts back. And he'll have a choice to make regarding them. Tread lightly SWJ, your perceived arrogance won't get your nuts back anytime soon. Gobble that humble pie you fixed bro. Keep your head down and pay attention to the path you are walking. You now know what happens when you stray from that path.

Forget Day 1...you lose. It really is that simple.

Never again, for any reason. --- that's not just a saying on the back of LOOT's salmon colored poker chip bro. It's a way of life. The life of an addict.
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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #384 on: March 16, 2012, 02:56:00 PM »
Quote from: Aglawyer
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: DeanTheCoot
It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.
Listen to Dean.
This is the most important sentence in this entire conversation.
Ode to Keddy. index.php?showtopic=4819

Wise words my friend.
I'm probably going to get blasted for my empathy here. However, I will say it anyway. This dude has gotten majorly blasted over the last couple of days...and rightfully so after blowing his quit. He blew it on many fronts. Nonetheless, I hope that he gets back in here and does it right this time. If anything, lessons can be learned that no matter how confident and strong you are in your quit, if you walk away and forget, there is a high probability that you will return to slavery. I'm taking what has happened to him to heart. In my mind there is nothing that can cause me to cave...nothing. Based on what I'm reading, he felt that same way...but here he is posting Day 2 today.

That being said. I learned a valuable lesson from this guy. I hope he isn't pushed away by the attacks. We're in the business of saving lives here so I'd like to see his saved as well.

You're taking your licks, SWJ...and you certainly deserve them. But I'd like to see you back here staying quit and offering some words as to what led you down the road back to the can. Good luck.
He's been around this place long enough to understand he was gonna get de-nutted and have his sack handed to him. He prolly participated in his share of de-nuttings to.

All of the venom is primarily the reaction to feelings of betrayal. SWJ made a deal with some people. The deal was quite simple. He knew the commitment. He knew, by drinking the kool-aide, what he expected of others and in turn, what they could expect of him. Some lived up to their part of the relationship. He did not. He betrayed his family. He betrayed this site. He betrayed his friends/quitters. And worse, he betrayed himself.

He forgot. After repeating a process for what, a 1000 days?, he forgot. He forgot Day 1. He forgot why he posted it. He, like many before him, forgot he was an addict. We all have done it privately. Some do it publicly. Those guys get de-nutted for their betrayal. It ain't pretty. It's not supposed to be. If you want it pretty, go to Lite. They'll stroke your caving sack, rather than feeding it to you.

SWJ fucked up. He knows it. He's going to be reminded of it, frequently. However, through it all, you can bet your ass he won't forget this Day 1. By the way SWJ, LOOT hopes the next few days are fucking brutal bro. Not cause LOOT is a sadist but because you got a thick fucking skull. Brutal....lest you forget.

When the dust settles, SWJ will have no better support than the very guys holding his sack today. That's the beauty of it. They'll eventually let him have his nuts back. And he'll have a choice to make regarding them. Tread lightly SWJ, your perceived arrogance won't get your nuts back anytime soon. Gobble that humble pie you fixed bro. Keep your head down and pay attention to the path you are walking. You now know what happens when you stray from that path.

Forget Day 1...you lose. It really is that simple.

Never again, for any reason. --- that's not just a saying on the back of LOOT's salmon colored poker chip bro. It's a way of life. The life of an addict.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #383 on: March 16, 2012, 02:37:00 PM »
Quote from: Aglawyer
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: DeanTheCoot
It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.
Listen to Dean.
This is the most important sentence in this entire conversation.
Ode to Keddy. index.php?showtopic=4819

Wise words my friend.
I'm probably going to get blasted for my empathy here. However, I will say it anyway. This dude has gotten majorly blasted over the last couple of days...and rightfully so after blowing his quit. He blew it on many fronts. Nonetheless, I hope that he gets back in here and does it right this time. If anything, lessons can be learned that no matter how confident and strong you are in your quit, if you walk away and forget, there is a high probability that you will return to slavery. I'm taking what has happened to him to heart. In my mind there is nothing that can cause me to cave...nothing. Based on what I'm reading, he felt that same way...but here he is posting Day 2 today.

That being said. I learned a valuable lesson from this guy. I hope he isn't pushed away by the attacks. We're in the business of saving lives here so I'd like to see his saved as well.

You're taking your licks, SWJ...and you certainly deserve them. But I'd like to see you back here staying quit and offering some words as to what led you down the road back to the can. Good luck.
No blast coming from me, I agree with you Ag; however, it is NOT good enough to come in here late in the day, post a Day 1, throw some bullshit up on the board about how awesome you are, then disappear for the day.

THEN to come back the NEXT day without as much as a 'Fuck you guys', post a Day 2 and act like we're all cool with it.

Answers to:

1. How did your cave happen?

2. What did you learn from it?

3. How is this time different?

Here's a little perspective as to why all the anger.

Ag, you say we're in the business of saving lives, and I agree. I don't take that charge lightly, either.

SWJ was saved. He was saved a long time ago. According to his own words, he learned his lesson and had his shit wired tight, and blew it. And now, here we go again.
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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #382 on: March 16, 2012, 02:22:00 PM »
Quote from: Scowick65
Quote from: Keddy
Quote from: DeanTheCoot
It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.
Listen to Dean.
This is the most important sentence in this entire conversation.
Ode to Keddy. index.php?showtopic=4819

Wise words my friend.
I'm probably going to get blasted for my empathy here. However, I will say it anyway. This dude has gotten majorly blasted over the last couple of days...and rightfully so after blowing his quit. He blew it on many fronts. Nonetheless, I hope that he gets back in here and does it right this time. If anything, lessons can be learned that no matter how confident and strong you are in your quit, if you walk away and forget, there is a high probability that you will return to slavery. I'm taking what has happened to him to heart. In my mind there is nothing that can cause me to cave...nothing. Based on what I'm reading, he felt that same way...but here he is posting Day 2 today.

That being said. I learned a valuable lesson from this guy. I hope he isn't pushed away by the attacks. We're in the business of saving lives here so I'd like to see his saved as well.

You're taking your licks, SWJ...and you certainly deserve them. But I'd like to see you back here staying quit and offering some words as to what led you down the road back to the can. Good luck.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #381 on: March 16, 2012, 10:35:00 AM »
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Quote from: DeanTheCoot
It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.
Listen to Dean.
This is the most important sentence in this entire conversation.
Ode to Keddy. index.php?showtopic=4819

Wise words my friend.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #380 on: March 16, 2012, 09:50:00 AM »
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It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.
Listen to Dean.
This is the most important sentence in this entire conversation.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #379 on: March 16, 2012, 09:18:00 AM »
Fuck.

I wish I could speak German, because I feel like yelling. And yelling in German sounds better.

SWJ and I were comrades. As long as he was here, I knew he'd never cave. As long as we stayed in touch, I knew all was well.

We lost touch.

I could no longer say he'd never cave. A depressing thought, but a reality.

It's really fucking simple, boys and girls: Stay in touch. Stay accountable. This is the lesson.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #378 on: March 16, 2012, 09:01:00 AM »
Okay SWJ... I saw you pop in this morning... I PM'd you...

You came and went.

No doubt you read what everyone has been saying.

Not sure if you read my PM before leaving.

If thats how this quit will be... then the least you could have done was reply to someone saying as much.

Like I told you... these first days back are brutal, ugly, and painful... but you can endure it and come back stronger than before.

Its your choice... I, for one, would opt for coming full circle and answering all the mail.

Its just gonna get more brutal until then.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #377 on: March 16, 2012, 08:19:00 AM »
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As a newbie quitter here in June 2012, I don't really give a shit about your funny posts etc.  I will choose to take your word at face value and look forward to quiting every day with you.  What I would like to see though is a real introduction from you that describes when you stopped coming to KTC, when you started dipping again, and the journey back to here today.  I am not interested in excuses, but I think it would help me and others see what can happen if you don't remain vigilant.  There is some redemptive value in showing what not to do.  Own your cave and quit.
Listen to this new guy SWJ... you know what he managed to do?

He struck a nerve with very few words... he cut to the chase.

Its guys like this that need your help now.

Why no answer?

What are you doing brother??? I just don't get it.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #376 on: March 16, 2012, 08:07:00 AM »
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The day you can claim awesomness is the day you reach the day you should have been today.  So don't bother until you are past your 1,061st day of posting roll call here.

To repeat what NOLAQ said.... Arrogant fuck
Very well put this prick forgot he was an addict, funny man or not he IS an addict!!!!

Now his HOF means jackshit!

I second the notion you get to the day you were supposed to be then you can be accepted by the rest of the group ....... with an"*" beside your name
Yeah this is not too constructive.

It would be good for all to remember that it takes tremendous balls to come back to this site after a cave. In fact, I would venture to guess many don't merely to avoid the huge shit storm it causes.

So before we start calling the offender names such as"prick", or "arrogant" or require the caver to wear a fucking scarlet letter until they reach a certain number of days in the new quit we carefully consider how to use this situation for the greatest good.

Having the caver share why he chose to cave and what he is going to do differently is fair. Requesting this information with name calling and vitriol does nothing but turn the next caver away from the site that it is meant to help.

There is right now, a caver who is reading this, who is considering whether they come back to the site and own their fuck up and fight the nic whore. The reception they see another caver receive will weigh heavily on the decision he makes to step up, admit his wrong and quit that one thing that will kill him. He knows he can't do it alone, but he also does not want to have an asterisk next to his name if he comes back.

Don't shut that door.

i hope this makes sense.
I'm with you Irish. Constructive is, well, constructive. This strikes me as a learning opportunity.

I've seen many come back here with a measure of humility, admit their failures and shortcomings and then get blasted. It's disappointing to hear about someone caving but it's also a good reminder of the power of this addiction. A good reminder of how narrow a margin there is between 1000 days quit and a Day 1.
Points heard and well-taken... but what some seem to miss, is that SWJ was once brothers with a number of guys on this site.

Looking back, I realized how often I posted with him... or replied to his notes.

The day that a family member stabs you in the back, and you cannot get even remotely made at them?

Well, just how are they to learn when they know the rules and the consequences?

Being nice and coddling their ballsacks is NOT the KTC way...

SWJ knows this... he is no where close to a NEWB here... but, he disliked the ass-rapings dealt out in the old days, and this should be particularly painful for him to be on the receiving end.

But, he knew it was coming, and he knows he deserves it.

He came back of his own freewill... golf clapping heard in the distance... for that I offer my support.

But, you cannot just walk back in here, and try to pretend it never happened. Trust me... I KNOW THIS. I tried it... it doesn't work.

SWJ my Brother... get in here, and get fucking active my man. Yeah, I am more than a little torqued off, but ignoring the calls for more explanation and avoiding a true coming-to Jesus reply, is not gonna work for you. Or anyone else. Trust me.

If you wanna PM me, and get things started... well, in honor of the old days, you know where to find me.

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #375 on: March 15, 2012, 11:00:00 PM »
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This is why we post roll and preferably post roll early in the day. This way, if you do it every day, and are truly a man of your word, you will never have to worry about what happens if you tried "just one" because you never would do it since that door would be closed that day. Period.
THIS my friend....THIS is the key to success to me. Post roll and BE A MAN OF YOUR WORD.

That said, the question of what was going through the mind of an addict after that one dip is still relevant. I can only imagine it is a new "fog" but I want to hear it....

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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #374 on: March 15, 2012, 10:33:00 PM »
Piss poor. I, too, looked up to you SWJ.

I guess we're all in the same boat now. I'll quit with you today.
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Re: I'm A Douche
« Reply #373 on: March 15, 2012, 10:01:00 PM »
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Ain't a goddamn thing about you awesome. Why not post random thoughts of fuckeduppedness, or douchebaggery?
Don't think you're gonna slide right back into the sheets where you left. You fucked up, you're gonna get butt raped just like me and every other motherfucker too stupid to stay, too weak to remain faithful to the quit. Stuff the funny man shit up your ass and repent motherfucker.

Free tip: Fix your fucking signature line
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