Gum Grafts - I've had 5!

[Mthomas3824]

I don't know where in the hell it came from and who brainwashed who into believing that if you cave you are an incredible failure.. doomed to a life of dread and groveling to be accepted again into this fold.. thank God I have not caved in 53 days.. If i did after seeing what I have seen here, it is highly unlikely I would come back here for support.. because when someone does cave I don't see a lot of support I see a lot of shit giving! 

Take a look around, bro. Some of the biggest badasses on here are former cavers.

We post a promise each day to stay quit, that is the premise of this program. If you break your promise and cave, those of us who kept our word, our honor, and our quit are justifiably vexed. You're suggesting we should shrug it off and welcome a caver back immediately with open arms, with no conditions?

I don't want KTC to be like that. Accountability, honor, and the fact that I'd let down and piss off a group of guys that I have a ton of respect for . . . is one of the things that galvanizes my quit. And theirs, I suspect.

Stay strong, and stick around. You can tune out the drama, just stay quit.

I thought the same way. I can tell you after 143 days, I don't plan to cave. If I did, I would come to KTC and take my deserved beatings. Why? Vets save lives

Then I would say you falsely led us to believe you were a man of your word to begin with. If you could not own up to a cave, how can you look yourself in the mirror and respect who you see looking back.

If one of my kids fucks up and admits it to me, a couple of things are going to happen:

1) They are going to hear about it and be reprimanded for it.
2) They are always going to know where their father stands and what he stands for
3) I am going to have an increased level of respect for them for the integrity they've shown even though that integrity results in them being reprimanded for their actions

'clap'

That's pretty bad ass. I heard somewhere, "reprove at times with sharpness, afterwords showing an increase of love lest they esteem you an enemy."

[eric71]

I don't know where in the hell it came from and who brainwashed who into believing that if you cave you are an incredible failure.. doomed to a life of dread and groveling to be accepted again into this fold.. thank God I have not caved in 53 days.. If i did after seeing what I have seen here, it is highly unlikely I would come back here for support.. because when someone does cave I don't see a lot of support I see a lot of shit giving! 

Take a look around, bro. Some of the biggest badasses on here are former cavers.

We post a promise each day to stay quit, that is the premise of this program. If you break your promise and cave, those of us who kept our word, our honor, and our quit are justifiably vexed. You're suggesting we should shrug it off and welcome a caver back immediately with open arms, with no conditions?

I don't want KTC to be like that. Accountability, honor, and the fact that I'd let down and piss off a group of guys that I have a ton of respect for . . . is one of the things that galvanizes my quit. And theirs, I suspect.

Stay strong, and stick around. You can tune out the drama, just stay quit.

I thought the same way. I can tell you after 143 days, I don't plan to cave. If I did, I would come to KTC and take my deserved beatings. Why? Vets save lives

Then I would say you falsely led us to believe you were a man of your word to begin with. If you could not own up to a cave, how can you look yourself in the mirror and respect who you see looking back.

If one of my kids fucks up and admits it to me, a couple of things are going to happen:

1) They are going to hear about it and be reprimanded for it.
2) They are always going to know where their father stands and what he stands for
3) I am going to have an increased level of respect for them for the integrity they've shown even though that integrity results in them being reprimanded for their actions

[Mthomas3824]

I don't know where in the hell it came from and who brainwashed who into believing that if you cave you are an incredible failure.. doomed to a life of dread and groveling to be accepted again into this fold.. thank God I have not caved in 53 days.. If i did after seeing what I have seen here, it is highly unlikely I would come back here for support.. because when someone does cave I don't see a lot of support I see a lot of shit giving! 

Take a look around, bro. Some of the biggest badasses on here are former cavers.

We post a promise each day to stay quit, that is the premise of this program. If you break your promise and cave, those of us who kept our word, our honor, and our quit are justifiably vexed. You're suggesting we should shrug it off and welcome a caver back immediately with open arms, with no conditions?

I don't want KTC to be like that. Accountability, honor, and the fact that I'd let down and piss off a group of guys that I have a ton of respect for . . . is one of the things that galvanizes my quit. And theirs, I suspect.

Stay strong, and stick around. You can tune out the drama, just stay quit.

I thought the same way. I can tell you after 143 days, I don't plan to cave. If I did, I would come to KTC and take my deserved beatings. Why? Vets save lives

[rgross298]

I don't know where in the hell it came from and who brainwashed who into believing that if you cave you are an incredible failure.. doomed to a life of dread and groveling to be accepted again into this fold.. thank God I have not caved in 53 days.. If i did after seeing what I have seen here, it is highly unlikely I would come back here for support.. because when someone does cave I don't see a lot of support I see a lot of shit giving! 

Take a look around, bro. Some of the biggest badasses on here are former cavers.

We post a promise each day to stay quit, that is the premise of this program. If you break your promise and cave, those of us who kept our word, our honor, and our quit are justifiably vexed. You're suggesting we should shrug it off and welcome a caver back immediately with open arms, with no conditions?

I don't want KTC to be like that. Accountability, honor, and the fact that I'd let down and piss off a group of guys that I have a ton of respect for . . . is one of the things that galvanizes my quit. And theirs, I suspect.

Stay strong, and stick around. You can tune out the drama, just stay quit.

[carumba10]

I hear ya Gooch, but the drama will always be here. Some days more than others. High school girl drama ? Feels more like Golden Girl seniors drama to me.

Dunno if I agree with your comment about cavers. Yea they take a bit of a beating when they come back but overall I think they still are welcomed back quit quickly. So much so that someone created a adopt a noob program and described the concept with this line ....

The Adopt-a-Quitter program was founded in July 2012 in response to the overwhelming amount of cavers re-joining KTC during the "open" period of October 2012. The cavers enjoyed more support from "Vets" than the true noobs.

I think that is a legitimate problem that has happened far too often.

Ignore the go to hell messages. You have a good quit going. Don't get distracted by those that are in a constant state of PMS.

[mikegooch]

Hey All.. the concept of this website as far as I can see is pretty well recovery based? Seems we are missing some key principles that helps to keep any organization from frazzling during tough times.. ( I am not saying this one is getting ready to frazzle for those of you ready to fire off some of those fucking go to hell messages) I guess what I am saying is I see a hell of a lot of drama that needs to be left somewhere else other than here. I think we are here to quit tobacco and help others to do the same.. I don't know where in the hell it came from and who brainwashed who into believing that if you cave you are an incredible failure.. doomed to a life of dread and groveling to be accepted again into this fold.. thank God I have not caved in 53 days.. If i did after seeing what I have seen here, it is highly unlikely I would come back here for support.. because when someone does cave I don't see a lot of support I see a lot of shit giving! It doesn't mean I am a failure.. it means I am an addict! For the last at least 30 years I have accomplished a lot of shit.. A HELL OF A LOT OF SHIT! - As I am certain a lot of us here have! I will not make a list because it would sound an awful lot like bragging! Guess what? Every damn thing I accomplished I did with a dip in my mouth! does that mean I am a failure.. Hell no! means I am an addict! The reason I am here - My number 1 motivation! is to yet accomplish yet another goal in my life.. the goal of an entirely drug free  chaos free  dysfunctional free life! I understand passion! I am full of passion! I understand accountability! I also understand - support and understanding! That's one thing about being an addict, the main and only reason one addict will listen to another is "understanding"! The reason I haven't posted in a few days is because of all the damn drama! I am tired of it! Sometimes I seriously feel like I am with a bunch of high school girls instead of tough ass quitters! Come on quitters.. Why are we here?? Gooch

[eric71]

Nice work man. Amazing how changing your life for the better can put you in the dumpster now and then. It will pass. And your gigantic balls of steel will swing in the breeze once again.

x2, keep on working through it. Good and bad times don't last, only your quit does. Proud to be quit w/you today.

[Souliman]

Nice work man. Amazing how changing your life for the better can put you in the dumpster now and then. It will pass. And your gigantic balls of steel will swing in the breeze once again.

[mikegooch]

Day 49.. No serous craves for a day or two.. Depression has kicked my ass for past few days though.. Don't know for sure if it's that or just me and the lil lady fighting! Whatever it is it sucks.. I'm good though! Real good because I AM QUIT!!!

[Greg5280]

Hey Everybody.. Thanks for everything Guys.. I have not had one single craving all damn day! Go figure - yesterday my ass was on fire all day.. today - a walk in the park? all I can say is.. HMMMMMMM?? And truthfully I haven't even thought about it that much.. I don't know where I heard this.. "No Man is Free than can not command himself".. if all I am doing is thinking about a dip.. I am still not free.. doing it or not.. If I am thinking about it.. It has me by the nads... so I am honestly experiencing some of that real freedom that WT is talking about.. Gooch

Enjoy it.. this is what you are fighting for.

STAY QUIT
Greg

[mikegooch]

Hey Everybody.. Thanks for everything Guys.. I have not had one single craving all damn day! Go figure - yesterday my ass was on fire all day.. today - a walk in the park? all I can say is.. HMMMMMMM?? And truthfully I haven't even thought about it that much.. I don't know where I heard this.. "No Man is Free than can not command himself".. if all I am doing is thinking about a dip.. I am still not free.. doing it or not.. If I am thinking about it.. It has me by the nads... so I am honestly experiencing some of that real freedom that WT is talking about.. Gooch

[Morgan1]

Hey Gooch --- some great stuff on your intro thread....You're doing great and guess what - you DO have the power brother. You've proven it. God and your co-quitters have helped, but YOU have done it. Every day you post roll and every day you honor it. You are a hell of a quitter. Don't discount that and don't downplay it. You have taken control of something that had been controlling you. No one did it for you - you did it!! You are a bad mfer of quit!!!!!!!! I am proud to be a part of QUIT OR SPLIT with you. Your quit inspires me. Keep it up man...........Don't ever look back.

[Wt57]

Thanks for everything all y'all!  (y'all is a word in ky)..  Last 5 days have been the hardest of my quit!  Had to be God and you guys getting me through because I simply do not have the power not to dip..  I am truly powerless when it comes to dip.. I am an addict.. Completely  totally an addict..  I swear this morning I was really thinking about a cave before I posted.. I knew once I posted a cave was out until midnight.. And seriously I told myself this morning.. If I still want to dip as badly at midnight as I do ths morning it's on!!  So I posted and went though my day.. Most of the day I have focused on the many benefits of being tobacco free.. (I have dipped a shitload of my new famous getgooched homemade dip)..

My Benefits Today!
1).   Sleep.. I am getting sleep for the 1st time in many years.. This has really been one that has kept me going...
2).   I can have a real conversation with someone without thinking about "damn I wished they'd hurry.. I really need a dip!
3).  Sometimes I have a HUGE sense of accomplishment (this is my crown jewel of the year)
4).  I really get to keep my teeth... My real teeth too
5).   Money I actually am saving he money I'd spend on it


Who else has some?

How about trying to kiss your wife/girlfriend (whatever) and they don't look at you like you are an idiot because you have grains in your teeth and your breath smells like cat shit.

Or your kids don't find spit bottles laying around house and think they are tea??

Don't have to hide it at work, especially if you work in office environment???

Just a few..

The energy I have now, it's awesome! I'm always going, not feeling that sluggish or tired all the time like I did when I dipped.

Also, not dipping at work, when I talk to customers, not having to rush it or worry about where to spit.

Feeling like if I can accomplish this, I can accomplish anything...like a boss

How about being FREE! I've always been a slave to that can, life revolved around it!

Feeling like a real man with real balls!

[Bruce]

Thanks for everything all y'all!  (y'all is a word in ky)..  Last 5 days have been the hardest of my quit!  Had to be God and you guys getting me through because I simply do not have the power not to dip..  I am truly powerless when it comes to dip.. I am an addict.. Completely  totally an addict..  I swear this morning I was really thinking about a cave before I posted.. I knew once I posted a cave was out until midnight.. And seriously I told myself this morning.. If I still want to dip as badly at midnight as I do ths morning it's on!!  So I posted and went though my day.. Most of the day I have focused on the many benefits of being tobacco free.. (I have dipped a shitload of my new famous getgooched homemade dip)..

My Benefits Today!
1).   Sleep.. I am getting sleep for the 1st time in many years.. This has really been one that has kept me going...
2).   I can have a real conversation with someone without thinking about "damn I wished they'd hurry.. I really need a dip!
3).  Sometimes I have a HUGE sense of accomplishment (this is my crown jewel of the year)
4).  I really get to keep my teeth... My real teeth too
5).   Money I actually am saving he money I'd spend on it


Who else has some?

How about trying to kiss your wife/girlfriend (whatever) and they don't look at you like you are an idiot because you have grains in your teeth and your breath smells like cat shit.

Or your kids don't find spit bottles laying around house and think they are tea??

Don't have to hide it at work, especially if you work in office environment???

Just a few..

The energy I have now, it's awesome! I'm always going, not feeling that sluggish or tired all the time like I did when I dipped.

Also, not dipping at work, when I talk to customers, not having to rush it or worry about where to spit.

Feeling like if I can accomplish this, I can accomplish anything...like a boss

[raiderx]

Thanks for everything all y'all!  (y'all is a word in ky)..  Last 5 days have been the hardest of my quit!  Had to be God and you guys getting me through because I simply do not have the power not to dip..  I am truly powerless when it comes to dip.. I am an addict.. Completely  totally an addict..  I swear this morning I was really thinking about a cave before I posted.. I knew once I posted a cave was out until midnight.. And seriously I told myself this morning.. If I still want to dip as badly at midnight as I do ths morning it's on!!  So I posted and went though my day.. Most of the day I have focused on the many benefits of being tobacco free.. (I have dipped a shitload of my new famous getgooched homemade dip)..

My Benefits Today!
1).  Sleep.. I am getting sleep for the 1st time in many years.. This has really been one that has kept me going...
2).  I can have a real conversation with someone without thinking about "damn I wished they'd hurry.. I really need a dip!
3).  Sometimes I have a HUGE sense of accomplishment (this is my crown jewel of the year)
4).  I really get to keep my teeth... My real teeth too
5).  Money I actually am saving he money I'd spend on it


Who else has some?

How about trying to kiss your wife/girlfriend (whatever) and they don't look at you like you are an idiot because you have grains in your teeth and your breath smells like cat shit.

Or your kids don't find spit bottles laying around house and think they are tea??

Don't have to hide it at work, especially if you work in office environment???

Just a few..

It does get easier
Quit today. Let tomorrow take care of itself

I quit with you