Day one or two

[Derk40]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

Just a few questions for the dudes supporting "Veteran Drift".
(These are based on Srans being unable to post roll again until his cave)
1. When he caves and returns, what will your reaction be?
2. Will you be supportive? (i.e. handjob squad) Will you be angry?
3. If you give him a handy when he returns, will it be because of your culpability in this planned cave?
4. Will you even bother to ask him what happened? (I mean, you were right there holding the tin for him)
5. Should he even be asked the three questions, or should you guys answer for him?
6. Should we just wave the three questions for a legend of this magnitude?
7. Are you guys supporting the drift because you have your own parachute ready to go?

I am not trying to keep Srans here if he doesn't want to be here. I am trying to snap him out of it.
Rest assured that if anyone on this site who is important to me drifts away, you will get the exact same treatment. If you don't want to see something like this in your intro, the ransom is simple- one fucking minute of your time per day. Post roll. We all fucking know that.
If you send me a pre-caver bullshit response like Srans, I will know where you are headed too. And you all should still realize that, but you're getting complacent as well.
Good luck Srans.

You know what lippi you can go fuck yourself! What have you done in the real world...not to pat my own back but I can tell you what I have done I gave two talks at a college here I shared my story of my quit and this site. I didnt do it because I am wonderful public speaker in fact I am scared to death to speak publicly but my disdain for tobacco outweighs my fear. So u can get your handy ready for me as a pleasure basis I am a strong quitter I assure you I dont need a parachute.
What are you pissed at that srans made a quiet exit no drama. An exit is not on my radar but respect his decision I believe that srans the skills to know what to do.

There is a difference between thinking you are cured and just moving on. We are all addicts and need to remember that EDD for the rest of our lives. Failure to do that is a recipe for day 1.

All cavers get the same treatment. Your questions are ridiculous.

I keep in contact with several folks that fought with me past 200+ days. Now I can do one of 2 things... tell them (1) you are dead to me, good luck or say (2) good luck, stay quit, drop in from time to time and you know how to get in touch with me if you need to. I use #2. You can use #1 if you want to and maybe we need that here as well.

We are addicts and by our very nature extremists. At some point people grow up and want to move out on their own. Just like when you were a kid and turned 18... you needed to grow up and move out on your own. It could be a slippery slope sometimes and if you slip you will return with a day 1 post. But many folks just do it when they think they are ready. You don't need to like it but it is reality.

[Lipizzaner]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

Just a few questions for the dudes supporting "Veteran Drift".
(These are based on Srans being unable to post roll again until his cave)
1. When he caves and returns, what will your reaction be?
2. Will you be supportive? (i.e. handjob squad) Will you be angry?
3. If you give him a handy when he returns, will it be because of your culpability in this planned cave?
4. Will you even bother to ask him what happened? (I mean, you were right there holding the tin for him)
5. Should he even be asked the three questions, or should you guys answer for him?
6. Should we just wave the three questions for a legend of this magnitude?
7. Are you guys supporting the drift because you have your own parachute ready to go?

I am not trying to keep Srans here if he doesn't want to be here. I am trying to snap him out of it.
Rest assured that if anyone on this site who is important to me drifts away, you will get the exact same treatment. If you don't want to see something like this in your intro, the ransom is simple- one fucking minute of your time per day. Post roll. We all fucking know that.
If you send me a pre-caver bullshit response like Srans, I will know where you are headed too. And you all should still realize that, but you're getting complacent as well.
Good luck Srans.

You know what lippi you can go fuck yourself! What have you done in the real world...not to pat my own back but I can tell you what I have done I gave two talks at a college here I shared my story of my quit and this site. I didnt do it because I am wonderful public speaker in fact I am scared to death to speak publicly but my disdain for tobacco outweighs my fear. So u can get your handy ready for me as a pleasure basis I am a strong quitter I assure you I dont need a parachute.
What are you pissed at that srans made a quiet exit no drama. An exit is not on my radar but respect his decision I believe that srans the skills to know what to do.

Congrats on your college talks dude.
I post roll every day. Srans doesn't.
I don't care what you do in the real world. Do you post roll? That's all I give a shit about.
Hey, fuck yourself too. If you're wondering, all of my comments were, in fact, directed at you.

[traumagnet]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

Just a few questions for the dudes supporting "Veteran Drift".
(These are based on Srans being unable to post roll again until his cave)
1. When he caves and returns, what will your reaction be?
2. Will you be supportive? (i.e. handjob squad) Will you be angry?
3. If you give him a handy when he returns, will it be because of your culpability in this planned cave?
4. Will you even bother to ask him what happened? (I mean, you were right there holding the tin for him)
5. Should he even be asked the three questions, or should you guys answer for him?
6. Should we just wave the three questions for a legend of this magnitude?
7. Are you guys supporting the drift because you have your own parachute ready to go?

I am not trying to keep Srans here if he doesn't want to be here. I am trying to snap him out of it.
Rest assured that if anyone on this site who is important to me drifts away, you will get the exact same treatment. If you don't want to see something like this in your intro, the ransom is simple- one fucking minute of your time per day. Post roll. We all fucking know that.
If you send me a pre-caver bullshit response like Srans, I will know where you are headed too. And you all should still realize that, but you're getting complacent as well.
Good luck Srans.

You know what lippi you can go fuck yourself! What have you done in the real world...not to pat my own back but I can tell you what I have done I gave two talks at a college here I shared my story of my quit and this site. I didnt do it because I am wonderful public speaker in fact I am scared to death to speak publicly but my disdain for tobacco outweighs my fear. So u can get your handy ready for me as a pleasure basis I am a strong quitter I assure you I dont need a parachute.
What are you pissed at that srans made a quiet exit no drama. An exit is not on my radar but respect his decision I believe that srans the skills to know what to do.

[30yraddict]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

Just a few questions for the dudes supporting "Veteran Drift".
(These are based on Srans being unable to post roll again until his cave)
1. When he caves and returns, what will your reaction be?
2. Will you be supportive? (i.e. handjob squad) Will you be angry?
3. If you give him a handy when he returns, will it be because of your culpability in this planned cave?
4. Will you even bother to ask him what happened? (I mean, you were right there holding the tin for him)
5. Should he even be asked the three questions, or should you guys answer for him?
6. Should we just wave the three questions for a legend of this magnitude?
7. Are you guys supporting the drift because you have your own parachute ready to go?

I am not trying to keep Srans here if he doesn't want to be here. I am trying to snap him out of it.
Rest assured that if anyone on this site who is important to me drifts away, you will get the exact same treatment. If you don't want to see something like this in your intro, the ransom is simple- one fucking minute of your time per day. Post roll. We all fucking know that.
If you send me a pre-caver bullshit response like Srans, I will know where you are headed too. And you all should still realize that, but you're getting complacent as well.
Good luck Srans.

The point that srans made was as follows:

He MUST divorce himself from KTC to save his marriage/family. That there is NO other option...

How is it that nobody is calling bullshit on this? 'Crazy'

[Lipizzaner]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

Just a few questions for the dudes supporting "Veteran Drift".
(These are based on Srans being unable to post roll again until his cave)
1. When he caves and returns, what will your reaction be?
2. Will you be supportive? (i.e. handjob squad) Will you be angry?
3. If you give him a handy when he returns, will it be because of your culpability in this planned cave?
4. Will you even bother to ask him what happened? (I mean, you were right there holding the tin for him)
5. Should he even be asked the three questions, or should you guys answer for him?
6. Should we just wave the three questions for a legend of this magnitude?
7. Are you guys supporting the drift because you have your own parachute ready to go?

I am not trying to keep Srans here if he doesn't want to be here. I am trying to snap him out of it.
Rest assured that if anyone on this site who is important to me drifts away, you will get the exact same treatment. If you don't want to see something like this in your intro, the ransom is simple- one fucking minute of your time per day. Post roll. We all fucking know that.
If you send me a pre-caver bullshit response like Srans, I will know where you are headed too. And you all should still realize that, but you're getting complacent as well.
Good luck Srans.

[Derk40]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

I don't think anyone agrees with folks leaving and not posting roll. The fact is many people do... Not everyone is a 100% roll poster. Just a fact. When great quitters decide it's time to roll we tell them we think they should stay but I don't need to tell them to F off as they leave. If they are quit they are welcome back at any time in my eyes. If they cave then they need to go to the front of the line and post a day 1. I can't make decisions for people. It is their decision and life to live. Today I think the best way to do this is to post roll EDD.

I get it Lipi... Your heart is in the right place - you just have the Lipi style. All good.

[Lipizzaner]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

Thank you 30.
For the guy who told me to take the drama somewhere else, and that he wished I had been helped by Srans.....What the fuck do you think I was doing? Trolling, looking to harass some dickhead who had left the site?
No, asshole, I was looking to talk to someone whom had been incredibly important to my quit, and whom I found to be MIA.
I contacted a few people I thought might know where he went. I sent him an email.
I got a fucking pre-caver email back.
I was civil in my reply, but let him know in no uncertain terms what I thought of his email.
If you can't see that, you are too close to the situation.
We all know how this story goes, and fuck you for acting like you don't know it too.
People don't have to be caved to be called out. Maybe we can keep him from throwing away all that quit.
His wife is going to be his sole support?
Lol. Did you guys even ever chew, or did you just blackout on it?
He can't post roll once a day? FUCK THAT.

[30yraddict]

some of the comments I have read on this thread concern me greatly. How many times do we have to read the tale of repeat day 1's before it sinks in that it is an incredibly bad idea to drift?

Defending someone's decision to drift is not support. Someone's level of past involvement on ktc is no indicator that they will stay quit, that has been proven multiple times. Today is the only day that counts. Yesterday's success is a pleasant memory- but it really is no more than that.

I do not wish you anything but the best srans, and I hope you never have to revisit the statement "I clearly see it as a good decision". Many quits have fallen to overconfidence.

[srans]

First and foremost,,, thanks ktc and to everyone that has said some seriously cool stuff on my behalf. All my friends know what I'm about. Micheal, matt, shane, ryan, eddie and todd, You guys are the real deal. These are the kind of people that can save a life. Grizzly,, I've known u a long time also. You do a great job helping others. Lipi I know your heart is in the right place and I'm glad to be quit with u.

As micheal and todd pointed out, i spent a lot of time on ktc helping myself and others. This place saved my life.

I occasionally come back and read intros to reinforce my memory of where I've come from. I keep contact with several friends that I've made on ktc. I continue to help others when the opportunity arises.

My decision to leave ktc became necessary. It was not a decision made lightly or without much thought. I will just say I'm not the only one involved in the decision. The person that influenced this decision was the person directly involved in my life for over 26 years. Sorry lipi,, you've got nothing on her. For some reason i couldn't keep ktc and family separated enough (for a lack of better words). It blead into important areas of my life and it caused stress and friction. I can't explain this. Hopefully most will understand. I believe a doctor visit would indicate ADD. I determimed it was best to step away and now i clearly see it as a good decision.

In a nut shell,, My quit is secure because of my brothers and what I've learned. Rest assured, I'm not the one to be worried about. I drank the koolaid around here excessively for a long time. The koolaid was great and I'll continue to come around when a cup is needed.

The important thing,,,,, stay quit my friends. I won't be far and I'm glad to be quit with each and everyone here.

To the newbies,,, this place will save your life. We weren't meant to be bound chained and gagged . We weren't meant to be dragged around by a can of dirt. Stay quit, your life depends on it.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

I think you all need to chill out a bit. Plenty of people slow their roll on KTC as time goes on. It just happens. Does not mean they are cavers, or pre-cavers. You do this thing at your pace.

I can tell you that posting Roll EDD and quitting ODAAT is the key.

Srans helped a lot of people get quit. The numbers are probably staggering if you looked at them. I think there are plenty of other people that probably deserve your wrath. It ain't this guy. My hope is he stays quit and pops in from time to time.

In the words of Aaron Rogers... R - E - L - A X.

Here's a reality... Sometimes REAL life takes precedence over a web forum.

In a big way.

Religion, kids, wife, career... That's what really matters when you've created a substantial quit like Srans has. If a web forum is interfering with life... it's time to cut it out. He is in regular contact with a number of us and we're all very ok with his place in life and quit. Until you've walked in his shoes... STFU.

I say Lippi you take your drama to a.different thread SRANS is a bad ass and immersed himself deeply in many a bad ass here. He has his reasons I respect them as you can see here he still lives in each and everyone of us who speak in his defense. It is a shame that you missed being exposed to srans. Look back in threads you will see his name mentioned time and time again so I suggest you zip it and move on.

Great quits are grown with positive reinforcement and a guiding hand. Great quits are not built with roundup and gasoline. Srans spent hours every day, for many many months, reaching out to newbies and leading them to freedom. I am in contact with him frequently - and while his decision is not one that I would make, I owe him a lot as I wouldn't be where I am without his support. Time to find a new target....

I was just a little worried about the guy. And it didn't seem characteristic of him to quit posting roll altogether, especially based on how he used to encourage others. Interesting. Glad he is okay and keeping in touch with you through other lines of communication besides KTC.

And just to share my thoughts on this matter of KTC burnout.... I'm sure there comes a time when KTC burnout occurs. Especially when people are constantly interacting, texting, chatting, posting roll in 30 groups per day, posting in intros, etc. My advice, don't cut it out altogether. This place isn't the poison. This place is the cure for nicotine. Don't be ashamed to scale back to a mere one roll post per day. It's the minimum price of admission. Srans doesn't owe us a thing. He very obviously helped tons of quitters. But he shouldn't feel obligated to keep that pace forever just to remain on KTC. I'm worried that quitting KTC altogether can lead to that dreaded complacency. I would encourage him to come back here and post roll if he ever felt like he needed to. Everybody scales back. Of course this is KTC that we are talking about not nicotine.

[Grizzlyhasclaws]

I think you all need to chill out a bit. Plenty of people slow their roll on KTC as time goes on. It just happens. Does not mean they are cavers, or pre-cavers. You do this thing at your pace.

I can tell you that posting Roll EDD and quitting ODAAT is the key.

Srans helped a lot of people get quit. The numbers are probably staggering if you looked at them. I think there are plenty of other people that probably deserve your wrath. It ain't this guy. My hope is he stays quit and pops in from time to time.

In the words of Aaron Rogers... R - E - L - A X.

Here's a reality... Sometimes REAL life takes precedence over a web forum.

In a big way.

Religion, kids, wife, career... That's what really matters when you've created a substantial quit like Srans has. If a web forum is interfering with life... it's time to cut it out. He is in regular contact with a number of us and we're all very ok with his place in life and quit. Until you've walked in his shoes... STFU.

I say Lippi you take your drama to a.different thread SRANS is a bad ass and immersed himself deeply in many a bad ass here. He has his reasons I respect them as you can see here he still lives in each and everyone of us who speak in his defense. It is a shame that you missed being exposed to srans. Look back in threads you will see his name mentioned time and time again so I suggest you zip it and move on.

Great quits are grown with positive reinforcement and a guiding hand. Great quits are not built with roundup and gasoline. Srans spent hours every day, for many many months, reaching out to newbies and leading them to freedom. I am in contact with him frequently - and while his decision is not one that I would make, I owe him a lot as I wouldn't be where I am without his support. Time to find a new target....

I was just a little worried about the guy. And it didn't seem characteristic of him to quit posting roll altogether, especially based on how he used to encourage others. Interesting. Glad he is okay and keeping in touch with you through other lines of communication besides KTC.

[worktowin]

I think you all need to chill out a bit. Plenty of people slow their roll on KTC as time goes on. It just happens. Does not mean they are cavers, or pre-cavers. You do this thing at your pace.

I can tell you that posting Roll EDD and quitting ODAAT is the key.

Srans helped a lot of people get quit. The numbers are probably staggering if you looked at them. I think there are plenty of other people that probably deserve your wrath. It ain't this guy. My hope is he stays quit and pops in from time to time.

In the words of Aaron Rogers... R - E - L - A X.

Here's a reality... Sometimes REAL life takes precedence over a web forum.

In a big way.

Religion, kids, wife, career... That's what really matters when you've created a substantial quit like Srans has. If a web forum is interfering with life... it's time to cut it out. He is in regular contact with a number of us and we're all very ok with his place in life and quit. Until you've walked in his shoes... STFU.

I say Lippi you take your drama to a.different thread SRANS is a bad ass and immersed himself deeply in many a bad ass here. He has his reasons I respect them as you can see here he still lives in each and everyone of us who speak in his defense. It is a shame that you missed being exposed to srans. Look back in threads you will see his name mentioned time and time again so I suggest you zip it and move on.

Great quits are grown with positive reinforcement and a guiding hand. Great quits are not built with roundup and gasoline. Srans spent hours every day, for many many months, reaching out to newbies and leading them to freedom. I am in contact with him frequently - and while his decision is not one that I would make, I owe him a lot as I wouldn't be where I am without his support. Time to find a new target....

[traumagnet]

I think you all need to chill out a bit. Plenty of people slow their roll on KTC as time goes on. It just happens. Does not mean they are cavers, or pre-cavers. You do this thing at your pace.

I can tell you that posting Roll EDD and quitting ODAAT is the key.

Srans helped a lot of people get quit. The numbers are probably staggering if you looked at them. I think there are plenty of other people that probably deserve your wrath. It ain't this guy. My hope is he stays quit and pops in from time to time.

In the words of Aaron Rogers... R - E - L - A X.

Here's a reality... Sometimes REAL life takes precedence over a web forum.

In a big way.

Religion, kids, wife, career... That's what really matters when you've created a substantial quit like Srans has. If a web forum is interfering with life... it's time to cut it out. He is in regular contact with a number of us and we're all very ok with his place in life and quit. Until you've walked in his shoes... STFU.

I say Lippi you take your drama to a.different thread SRANS is a bad ass and immersed himself deeply in many a bad ass here. He has his reasons I respect them as you can see here he still lives in each and everyone of us who speak in his defense. It is a shame that you missed being exposed to srans. Look back in threads you will see his name mentioned time and time again so I suggest you zip it and move on.

[AppleJack]

I think you all need to chill out a bit. Plenty of people slow their roll on KTC as time goes on. It just happens. Does not mean they are cavers, or pre-cavers. You do this thing at your pace.

I can tell you that posting Roll EDD and quitting ODAAT is the key.

Srans helped a lot of people get quit. The numbers are probably staggering if you looked at them. I think there are plenty of other people that probably deserve your wrath. It ain't this guy. My hope is he stays quit and pops in from time to time.

In the words of Aaron Rogers... R - E - L - A X.

Here's a reality... Sometimes REAL life takes precedence over a web forum.

In a big way.

Religion, kids, wife, career... That's what really matters when you've created a substantial quit like Srans has. If a web forum is interfering with life... it's time to cut it out. He is in regular contact with a number of us and we're all very ok with his place in life and quit. Until you've walked in his shoes... STFU.

[Derk40]

I think you all need to chill out a bit. Plenty of people slow their roll on KTC as time goes on. It just happens. Does not mean they are cavers, or pre-cavers. You do this thing at your pace.

I can tell you that posting Roll EDD and quitting ODAAT is the key.

Srans helped a lot of people get quit. The numbers are probably staggering if you looked at them. I think there are plenty of other people that probably deserve your wrath. It ain't this guy. My hope is he stays quit and pops in from time to time.

In the words of Aaron Rogers... R - E - L - A X.