Gearing up for Day 1

[B-loMatt]

Wow... I had heard you were an "interesting" character when I first joined, but then I only saw your name in the weak ass bullshit cavers not worth the time section of the september spreadsheet... Glad you are still quit, but if you think you are no longer an addict b/c you will it, then you are deluding yourself, and most likely will cave at some point b/c you think you are a special butterfly. I hope you don't, but beware 'cause you are a nic addict for life and one hit of nic will turn you into a slave again or reset your quit. Your ravings also suggest that you are either way immature (regardless of your life experiences) or a little 'touched'... Of course you do not see it that way, but that is how it comes across to rational adults. I am sure you will say you do not care, but you do care what others think of you or you would not be here ranting. I wanted to throw my $.02 in b4 you get blocked for not 'getting it'. Wish you well, and thanks for your service to this country...

[nebraskadad58]

I just can't resist jumping on here....i am only on day 65...not a big accomplishment by any measure, however i haven't chewed in 65 days and that is as long as i have ever gone. There are things about this site that bother me a bit, however it works. I have a handful of people that i can count on and it makes me feel better when i see the names and avatars and all that each day.

With all that being said, no one gives a flying fuck what you own, what you do for a living, how much money you make etc. Does the fact that i sell cars for a living matter to you? Is that the measure of a man? I have the love of my children, the respect of my friends and family, and i'm quit. I drink too many beers on saturday nights normally and i live a pretty simple life with my wife and kids...am i less successful than you? There are people on this site that don't like me...at least one for sure that i know of, but i also know that most that have mixed with me respect me. Can you say that?

The problem with a guy like you clay is not that you have an alternative method that is working for you now (seriously, good luck with that) its the fact that you come on a site that has rules and guidelines and you refuse to follow them and then piss on the method. And the thing that pisses me off the most, is that you come on here on your golden pony and talk about God and all that, and then waive your materialistic flag, cuss everybody up and down (and i'm not a religious man but i find that to be pretty hypocritical) call people pussy's and so on...i was you when i was 20...i had to go through some hard times to grow up but i did for the most part. I hope you don't have to go through all the bullshit that i did to grow up but it looks like you will have too.

Amen, jayd41,

the principal of my quit is based on respect for people who walked with me through the SUCK. I am grateful for every day I have not finger fucked a Grizzly Can.


" There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. This principle is, contempt prior to examination. "

[jayd41]

I just can't resist jumping on here....i am only on day 65...not a big accomplishment by any measure, however i haven't chewed in 65 days and that is as long as i have ever gone. There are things about this site that bother me a bit, however it works. I have a handful of people that i can count on and it makes me feel better when i see the names and avatars and all that each day.

With all that being said, no one gives a flying fuck what you own, what you do for a living, how much money you make etc. Does the fact that i sell cars for a living matter to you? Is that the measure of a man? I have the love of my children, the respect of my friends and family, and i'm quit. I drink too many beers on saturday nights normally and i live a pretty simple life with my wife and kids...am i less successful than you? There are people on this site that don't like me...at least one for sure that i know of, but i also know that most that have mixed with me respect me. Can you say that?

The problem with a guy like you clay is not that you have an alternative method that is working for you now (seriously, good luck with that) its the fact that you come on a site that has rules and guidelines and you refuse to follow them and then piss on the method. And the thing that pisses me off the most, is that you come on here on your golden pony and talk about God and all that, and then waive your materialistic flag, cuss everybody up and down (and i'm not a religious man but i find that to be pretty hypocritical) call people pussy's and so on...i was you when i was 20...i had to go through some hard times to grow up but i did for the most part. I hope you don't have to go through all the bullshit that i did to grow up but it looks like you will have too.

[J2b]

Let me be more blunt:

Post roll or GTFO.

Your next post better be roll. Than feel free to troll on about how awesome you are all you want. But the price of admission here, regardless of what YOU think of it, is roll call.

Dont wanna pay that price? try quitsmokeless.org, or any number of other quit help sites to spew your "method." I am sure you know how to use google.

The FACT is most, if not all of us, tried to quit other ways. We failed. We found KTC. We are now quit. The method works for us. Lots of others folks have quit without KTC. We are not them. Go be a beacon of light for those not here.

As for your threats of an army of marines willing to back your "play" - fuck off. You gonna overthrow the methods here or something? You realize this is a website with admins and mods who can and will just block you right, not some fantasy land where you can just take over?

I am calling your bluff - bring it. AFTER you post roll.

[Mjollnir]

Your way does succeed. 5% of the time. I genuinely hope you are one of the 5%. But trying to sway people away from a way that works far better than 5% is unconscionable. I don't predict you will be dipping in 30 days and I never did. But here is what I will predict: In 10 years when you have finally matured and become a man, you will look back at this and be embarrassed for yourself. Of course I expect you to disagree right now. You're still a boy and haven't thrown off boyish ways yet. You remind me of my 12 year old. He's convinced he knows everything too.

I understand your emotional response. and I appreciate your self restraint. However, I am a grown ass man.

I own a house and land - PAID FOR. I own a deisel truck -PAID FOR. I have a wife and three kids! I run 3 businesses with numerous employees who depend on me. I went to a top university. My real name is Clayton Luce. My grandfather founded Blue Bird Corporation. I was in a cult. I fought in a war. I was a Scout sniper. I have more experience of responsibility than most people will have in a lifetime.

I may sound like your 12 year old, but perhaps that is because with age comes wisdom, and with wisdom we revert back to the minds of children.

Simple things like, "I can make up my own mind."

You see, my successes in life prove my maturity. You can compare me to your children, but unless you are among the top 5%, you cannot compete with me.

You can claim statistics of who quits and who doesnt, but your just quoting words of others. The reality is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I would wager against you that most people that have quit tobacco have never even heard of kickthecan.org.

Lastly, I realize that people like you and Adiqq will never stop hounding me. Not because I am wrong, but because you have already drawn your line in the sand. You have declared me the enemy, and you will now fight me blindly, regardless of my true identity.

You hate the idea of me.

You hate freedom.

I represent the will to quit. I represent the unprofitable solution to addiction. I represent the Word of God, and the power of mind of matter.

I understand your political game here. Its basic propaganda.

Claim "Your immature, your a fool, your a statistical oddity."

The fact is, I'm not immature. I'm not a fool. And statistics are for pussies.

I bear more responsibility than you likely ever will. I say "likely" because I do not know your true identity. Maybe you are Secretary of State. But unless you are, it is likely that you are speaking from an emotional sense of superiority, and not from fact.

Look me up. I am no coward. I don't wish to hide from you. Lucius De Borgia is just a pseudonym. My real name is Clayton L. Luce.

I own and operate a publishing company, a production company and am also creating an international cult exit support network.

Google me.

I am a name with a face. My face cannot afford to be immature.

I applaud your attempt at belittlement, but unfortunately, I think far less of myself than you ever will.

-Lucius DeBorgia

AKA Clayton L Luce

Dude...I don't care it your the prince of fucking Egypt and live in a golden mansion and drive a spaceship.

Either post roll and get with the program here...or leave.

I do believe that is a rule to stay here. You must actively post roll. A mod can correct me if I'm wrong?

Well then I guess a mod would have kicked me by now, huh?

I guess the mods you claim to represent don't quite agree with you. Maybe, like me, they are here to help people quit tobacco, not to promote a specific agenda.

I invite them to kick me if they wish, but they are well aware of me, and yet I remain. That is because I am a part of the system, not against it.

Nice try though.

As far as being a Prince, thats on me. When a spaceship is available on the common market I will buy it. As far as posting roll...NO. I quit tobacco. And I am here to support others who quit tobacco. Everyone keeps saying I should be gone, yet no one with authority has kicked me.

Maybe its because they are able to read PM's and know what is really going on with me.

lol.

You do keep me entertained though. Please keep the hits coming!

First, Thanks you for your service.

Second

Mods don't generally bounce people without good cause but thats far from an endorsement of your opinions on quitting.

I am sitting on 1600 some days of quit. I have literally seen 10,000 quitters join this site. The majority does not find success using your strategy.

This is deeper than you realize. Will power only will carry you so far. At 50 days you still haven't scratched the surface. Clearly your tough, but it takes more.

Your a Marine . You can count on your Fellow Marines because you share a common bond.
When i place my name on roll call im telling the others here that they can count on me to stay quit. I am standing shoulder to shoulder with my fellow quitters. The pain of quitting a substance more addicting than heroin is what creates our friendships, its why i still post roll call after years of quit.


You want to help others quit? Then post roll call and be an example. Stand shoulder to shoulder with us. Maybe just seeing your name will keep another quit.


Its your quit. Take what you Need from here and leave the rest, but realize that our method works for the great majority. Encouraging others to treat roll call lightly could actually cause them to fail.

Brother, I will admit openly, of everyone who has posted to this thread (other than PM's) you are the very first one that I actually respect.

Damn good show!

I feel you wholeheartedly. I support you with all my soul.

However, can't you just lean a little more to the left and admit that maybe it is a good thing that I am a representative and advocate for the minority 1%ers who manage to quit via other methods. There are plenty of folks posting roll and going along with that system.

On the contrary, by standing up for my own personal freedom I have been met with an overwhelmingly evil and hateful response from the KTC community. It is as though the KTC community has an anger or hatred to those who beat the odds!

I say "beat the odds" only in faith that the people here are actually posting real statistics, even though I personally believe that 90% of people who quit tobacco have never even heard of Kick the Can.org.

I am standing up for quitters, but I am standing up for the 1%ers who are quitting despite missing roll calls.

I don't disagree with the standard KTC quit program. I just disagree that it is the only or best way. Sure, roll callers quit every day! But 1000x's more quit each day without ever knowing what a roll call even is.

I stand up for those people who take their lives into their own hands, and who determine their own futures. I do not judge the rest of you who do not, but I expect the same courtesy now.

Keep in mind that your statistics are false. Most tobacco quitters never post roll, and they never join a group.

Most tobacco quitters just quit.

We deserve respect too.

LB

Mr. DeBorgia,

I understand your point fully. I've been sober 21 years, the vast majority of that on my own. I disagree with a great deal of the AA Bullshit Rhetoric I see thrown around here with lackluster fanfair. I do not attack it though, because it works for some people.

On the subject of working, this method works. If you don't like it, then don't participate, but remember this is our house, not your's. You are not "Standing up" for anyone, you are being a spiteful individual.

I have read some of your posts. Very impressive that you are not an addict. You are abviously not human then. Human physiology is addicted to certain chemicals, Nicotine being one of them. Admitting you are an addict in this case is admitting you live in a human body. Nicotine is a poison, and has a very strong addiction attraction to it. (I think your sister knows something about poison doesn't she? Ask Lucrecia)

On the subject of our method, the key componant to it is peer support. (Humans like the tribal thing you know, but you aren't human...) We advocate this by "Roll Call" Everything hinges on it. If you don't post roll, please do not post in any of our forums for that day.

Now, I really don't care how awsome you think you are, fact is I have been dealing with addictions for over two decades. During this time, I have met many people. Some of them are dead now. Many of them as a matter of fact. Every one of the said, "You are weak, I can control it." You remind me of a passage in the Big Book (AA book). It talks about an individual who has been away from his drug of choice for a while and talks about how easy it is. The passage goes something like "He is like a boy whistling in the dark to keep up his spirits, don't need it, don't want it. But secretly he does"

In closing, I am afraid I am going to be a little redundant here. If you don't like our method, don't stick around. The people who are posting in your intro are trying to help you. That is how this site works. I am telling you there is no reason for you to attack anyone who is providing you with the service this free site offers.

Sincerely

Mjollnir Odinson

P.S. Please note, this is a warning. To participate in any forum here, you must post roll. I consider your views of addiction and lack of roll call to be contrary to the site and trollish.

[Lucius_DeBorgia]

Your way does succeed. 5% of the time. I genuinely hope you are one of the 5%. But trying to sway people away from a way that works far better than 5% is unconscionable. I don't predict you will be dipping in 30 days and I never did. But here is what I will predict: In 10 years when you have finally matured and become a man, you will look back at this and be embarrassed for yourself. Of course I expect you to disagree right now. You're still a boy and haven't thrown off boyish ways yet. You remind me of my 12 year old. He's convinced he knows everything too.

I understand your emotional response. and I appreciate your self restraint. However, I am a grown ass man.

I own a house and land - PAID FOR. I own a deisel truck -PAID FOR. I have a wife and three kids! I run 3 businesses with numerous employees who depend on me. I went to a top university. My real name is Clayton Luce. My grandfather founded Blue Bird Corporation. I was in a cult. I fought in a war. I was a Scout sniper. I have more experience of responsibility than most people will have in a lifetime.

I may sound like your 12 year old, but perhaps that is because with age comes wisdom, and with wisdom we revert back to the minds of children.

Simple things like, "I can make up my own mind."

You see, my successes in life prove my maturity. You can compare me to your children, but unless you are among the top 5%, you cannot compete with me.

You can claim statistics of who quits and who doesnt, but your just quoting words of others. The reality is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I would wager against you that most people that have quit tobacco have never even heard of kickthecan.org.

Lastly, I realize that people like you and Adiqq will never stop hounding me. Not because I am wrong, but because you have already drawn your line in the sand. You have declared me the enemy, and you will now fight me blindly, regardless of my true identity.

You hate the idea of me.

You hate freedom.

I represent the will to quit. I represent the unprofitable solution to addiction. I represent the Word of God, and the power of mind of matter.

I understand your political game here. Its basic propaganda.

Claim "Your immature, your a fool, your a statistical oddity."

The fact is, I'm not immature. I'm not a fool. And statistics are for pussies.

I bear more responsibility than you likely ever will. I say "likely" because I do not know your true identity. Maybe you are Secretary of State. But unless you are, it is likely that you are speaking from an emotional sense of superiority, and not from fact.

Look me up. I am no coward. I don't wish to hide from you. Lucius De Borgia is just a pseudonym. My real name is Clayton L. Luce.

I own and operate a publishing company, a production company and am also creating an international cult exit support network.

Google me.

I am a name with a face. My face cannot afford to be immature.

I applaud your attempt at belittlement, but unfortunately, I think far less of myself than you ever will.

-Lucius DeBorgia

AKA Clayton L Luce

Dude...I don't care it your the prince of fucking Egypt and live in a golden mansion and drive a spaceship.

Either post roll and get with the program here...or leave.

I do believe that is a rule to stay here. You must actively post roll. A mod can correct me if I'm wrong?

Well then I guess a mod would have kicked me by now, huh?

I guess the mods you claim to represent don't quite agree with you. Maybe, like me, they are here to help people quit tobacco, not to promote a specific agenda.

I invite them to kick me if they wish, but they are well aware of me, and yet I remain. That is because I am a part of the system, not against it.

Nice try though.

As far as being a Prince, thats on me. When a spaceship is available on the common market I will buy it. As far as posting roll...NO. I quit tobacco. And I am here to support others who quit tobacco. Everyone keeps saying I should be gone, yet no one with authority has kicked me.

Maybe its because they are able to read PM's and know what is really going on with me.

lol.

You do keep me entertained though. Please keep the hits coming!

First, Thanks you for your service.

Second

Mods don't generally bounce people without good cause but thats far from an endorsement of your opinions on quitting.

I am sitting on 1600 some days of quit. I have literally seen 10,000 quitters join this site. The majority does not find success using your strategy.

This is deeper than you realize. Will power only will carry you so far. At 50 days you still haven't scratched the surface. Clearly your tough, but it takes more.

Your a Marine . You can count on your Fellow Marines because you share a common bond.
When i place my name on roll call im telling the others here that they can count on me to stay quit. I am standing shoulder to shoulder with my fellow quitters. The pain of quitting a substance more addicting than heroin is what creates our friendships, its why i still post roll call after years of quit.


You want to help others quit? Then post roll call and be an example. Stand shoulder to shoulder with us. Maybe just seeing your name will keep another quit.


Its your quit. Take what you Need from here and leave the rest, but realize that our method works for the great majority. Encouraging others to treat roll call lightly could actually cause them to fail.

Brother, I will admit openly, of everyone who has posted to this thread (other than PM's) you are the very first one that I actually respect.

Damn good show!

I feel you wholeheartedly. I support you with all my soul.

However, can't you just lean a little more to the left and admit that maybe it is a good thing that I am a representative and advocate for the minority 1%ers who manage to quit via other methods. There are plenty of folks posting roll and going along with that system.

On the contrary, by standing up for my own personal freedom I have been met with an overwhelmingly evil and hateful response from the KTC community. It is as though the KTC community has an anger or hatred to those who beat the odds!

I say "beat the odds" only in faith that the people here are actually posting real statistics, even though I personally believe that 90% of people who quit tobacco have never even heard of Kick the Can.org.

I am standing up for quitters, but I am standing up for the 1%ers who are quitting despite missing roll calls.

I don't disagree with the standard KTC quit program. I just disagree that it is the only or best way. Sure, roll callers quit every day! But 1000x's more quit each day without ever knowing what a roll call even is.

I stand up for those people who take their lives into their own hands, and who determine their own futures. I do not judge the rest of you who do not, but I expect the same courtesy now.

Keep in mind that your statistics are false. Most tobacco quitters never post roll, and they never join a group.

Most tobacco quitters just quit.

We deserve respect too.

LB

[Diesel2112]

By the way, all you long time posters like Apple Jack and Diesel... FUCK YOU!!!

It don't take 1,000+ posts to kick a habit. It takes one decision and the will to follow through.

September sluts are setting a new example of manhood.

We quit because we quit.

We don't suck each others dicks and we don't whine about cravings.

Sure, if we struggle, we support each other, and if one man is weak, the rest will carry his load, but we won't still be posting 3 years from now. We will be living the example of freedom from addiction, not hanging around here and clinging to it, trying to convince new quitters that they are doomed to perpetual failure.

Fuck posting roll.

I will continue doing it as an example, not as an excuse.

If I never posted roll again after today, I would still never take another pinch of dip.

I'm here for the weak ones like you Diesel. After 4 days, I'm already more free than you will ever be. Why? Because unlike you, I choose to be free of addiction.

You, on the other hand, will always require new quitters to motivate your perpetual success. your word is not your bond. You have no ethical issues with promising yourself to quit and breaking your own promise.

Some of us, our word is our bond, and the support group is just an added bonus.

GO

The whole "sucking dick" thing were your, so eloquently put words, not mine. That is where I came up with your sites slogan.

Hey whatever. Look there is no reason for you and I to waste anymore time with each other. I think you are an idiot, and you think I am an idiot. As for who sucks the most dick is a moot point. The only thing that matters is that we kicked the can today. You ain't gonna convert me, and I aint gonna convert you. I quit with or without you.

Much love

LB

No dude. Not "much love" how about much fuck off and get the fuck out of here.

Ive kicked the can 403 days without your punk ass and will continue to do so.

You wished me to FAIL and said some othe FOUL shit about me the first time you came through here. I got a memory like a steel fucking trap bro, and anybody who wishes me to FAIL...Fuck you.

You tried a little bitch ass retraction of that statement too. Fuck that too.

[Skoal Monster]

Your way does succeed. 5% of the time. I genuinely hope you are one of the 5%. But trying to sway people away from a way that works far better than 5% is unconscionable. I don't predict you will be dipping in 30 days and I never did. But here is what I will predict: In 10 years when you have finally matured and become a man, you will look back at this and be embarrassed for yourself. Of course I expect you to disagree right now. You're still a boy and haven't thrown off boyish ways yet. You remind me of my 12 year old. He's convinced he knows everything too.

I understand your emotional response. and I appreciate your self restraint. However, I am a grown ass man.

I own a house and land - PAID FOR. I own a deisel truck -PAID FOR. I have a wife and three kids! I run 3 businesses with numerous employees who depend on me. I went to a top university. My real name is Clayton Luce. My grandfather founded Blue Bird Corporation. I was in a cult. I fought in a war. I was a Scout sniper. I have more experience of responsibility than most people will have in a lifetime.

I may sound like your 12 year old, but perhaps that is because with age comes wisdom, and with wisdom we revert back to the minds of children.

Simple things like, "I can make up my own mind."

You see, my successes in life prove my maturity. You can compare me to your children, but unless you are among the top 5%, you cannot compete with me.

You can claim statistics of who quits and who doesnt, but your just quoting words of others. The reality is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I would wager against you that most people that have quit tobacco have never even heard of kickthecan.org.

Lastly, I realize that people like you and Adiqq will never stop hounding me. Not because I am wrong, but because you have already drawn your line in the sand. You have declared me the enemy, and you will now fight me blindly, regardless of my true identity.

You hate the idea of me.

You hate freedom.

I represent the will to quit. I represent the unprofitable solution to addiction. I represent the Word of God, and the power of mind of matter.

I understand your political game here. Its basic propaganda.

Claim "Your immature, your a fool, your a statistical oddity."

The fact is, I'm not immature. I'm not a fool. And statistics are for pussies.

I bear more responsibility than you likely ever will. I say "likely" because I do not know your true identity. Maybe you are Secretary of State. But unless you are, it is likely that you are speaking from an emotional sense of superiority, and not from fact.

Look me up. I am no coward. I don't wish to hide from you. Lucius De Borgia is just a pseudonym. My real name is Clayton L. Luce.

I own and operate a publishing company, a production company and am also creating an international cult exit support network.

Google me.

I am a name with a face. My face cannot afford to be immature.

I applaud your attempt at belittlement, but unfortunately, I think far less of myself than you ever will.

-Lucius DeBorgia

AKA Clayton L Luce

Dude...I don't care it your the prince of fucking Egypt and live in a golden mansion and drive a spaceship.

Either post roll and get with the program here...or leave.

I do believe that is a rule to stay here. You must actively post roll. A mod can correct me if I'm wrong?

Well then I guess a mod would have kicked me by now, huh?

I guess the mods you claim to represent don't quite agree with you. Maybe, like me, they are here to help people quit tobacco, not to promote a specific agenda.

I invite them to kick me if they wish, but they are well aware of me, and yet I remain. That is because I am a part of the system, not against it.

Nice try though.

As far as being a Prince, thats on me. When a spaceship is available on the common market I will buy it. As far as posting roll...NO. I quit tobacco. And I am here to support others who quit tobacco. Everyone keeps saying I should be gone, yet no one with authority has kicked me.

Maybe its because they are able to read PM's and know what is really going on with me.

lol.

You do keep me entertained though. Please keep the hits coming!

First, Thanks you for your service.

Second

Mods don't generally bounce people without good cause but thats far from an endorsement of your opinions on quitting.

I am sitting on 1600 some days of quit. I have literally seen 10,000 quitters join this site. The majority does not find success using your strategy.

This is deeper than you realize. Will power only will carry you so far. At 50 days you still haven't scratched the surface. Clearly your tough, but it takes more.

Your a Marine . You can count on your Fellow Marines because you share a common bond.
When i place my name on roll call im telling the others here that they can count on me to stay quit. I am standing shoulder to shoulder with my fellow quitters. The pain of quitting a substance more addicting than heroin is what creates our friendships, its why i still post roll call after years of quit.


You want to help others quit? Then post roll call and be an example. Stand shoulder to shoulder with us. Maybe just seeing your name will keep another quit.


Its your quit. Take what you Need from here and leave the rest, but realize that our method works for the great majority. Encouraging others to treat roll call lightly could actually cause them to fail.

[Lucius_DeBorgia]

By the way, all you long time posters like Apple Jack and Diesel... FUCK YOU!!!

It don't take 1,000+ posts to kick a habit. It takes one decision and the will to follow through.

September sluts are setting a new example of manhood.

We quit because we quit.

We don't suck each others dicks and we don't whine about cravings.

Sure, if we struggle, we support each other, and if one man is weak, the rest will carry his load, but we won't still be posting 3 years from now. We will be living the example of freedom from addiction, not hanging around here and clinging to it, trying to convince new quitters that they are doomed to perpetual failure.

Fuck posting roll.

I will continue doing it as an example, not as an excuse.

If I never posted roll again after today, I would still never take another pinch of dip.

I'm here for the weak ones like you Diesel. After 4 days, I'm already more free than you will ever be. Why? Because unlike you, I choose to be free of addiction.

You, on the other hand, will always require new quitters to motivate your perpetual success. your word is not your bond. You have no ethical issues with promising yourself to quit and breaking your own promise.

Some of us, our word is our bond, and the support group is just an added bonus.

GO

The whole "sucking dick" thing were your, so eloquently put words, not mine. That is where I came up with your sites slogan.

Hey whatever. Look there is no reason for you and I to waste anymore time with each other. I think you are an idiot, and you think I am an idiot. As for who sucks the most dick is a moot point. The only thing that matters is that we kicked the can today. You ain't gonna convert me, and I aint gonna convert you. I quit with or without you.

Much love

LB

[Diesel2112]

By the way, all you long time posters like Apple Jack and Diesel... FUCK YOU!!!

It don't take 1,000+ posts to kick a habit. It takes one decision and the will to follow through.

September sluts are setting a new example of manhood.

We quit because we quit.

We don't suck each others dicks and we don't whine about cravings.

Sure, if we struggle, we support each other, and if one man is weak, the rest will carry his load, but we won't still be posting 3 years from now. We will be living the example of freedom from addiction, not hanging around here and clinging to it, trying to convince new quitters that they are doomed to perpetual failure.

Fuck posting roll.

I will continue doing it as an example, not as an excuse.

If I never posted roll again after today, I would still never take another pinch of dip.

I'm here for the weak ones like you Diesel. After 4 days, I'm already more free than you will ever be. Why? Because unlike you, I choose to be free of addiction.

You, on the other hand, will always require new quitters to motivate your perpetual success. your word is not your bond. You have no ethical issues with promising yourself to quit and breaking your own promise.

Some of us, our word is our bond, and the support group is just an added bonus.

GO

The whole "sucking dick" thing were your, so eloquently put words, not mine. That is where I came up with your sites slogan.

[Lucius_DeBorgia]

Your way does succeed. 5% of the time. I genuinely hope you are one of the 5%. But trying to sway people away from a way that works far better than 5% is unconscionable. I don't predict you will be dipping in 30 days and I never did. But here is what I will predict: In 10 years when you have finally matured and become a man, you will look back at this and be embarrassed for yourself. Of course I expect you to disagree right now. You're still a boy and haven't thrown off boyish ways yet. You remind me of my 12 year old. He's convinced he knows everything too.

I understand your emotional response. and I appreciate your self restraint. However, I am a grown ass man.

I own a house and land - PAID FOR. I own a deisel truck -PAID FOR. I have a wife and three kids! I run 3 businesses with numerous employees who depend on me. I went to a top university. My real name is Clayton Luce. My grandfather founded Blue Bird Corporation. I was in a cult. I fought in a war. I was a Scout sniper. I have more experience of responsibility than most people will have in a lifetime.

I may sound like your 12 year old, but perhaps that is because with age comes wisdom, and with wisdom we revert back to the minds of children.

Simple things like, "I can make up my own mind."

You see, my successes in life prove my maturity. You can compare me to your children, but unless you are among the top 5%, you cannot compete with me.

You can claim statistics of who quits and who doesnt, but your just quoting words of others. The reality is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I would wager against you that most people that have quit tobacco have never even heard of kickthecan.org.

Lastly, I realize that people like you and Adiqq will never stop hounding me. Not because I am wrong, but because you have already drawn your line in the sand. You have declared me the enemy, and you will now fight me blindly, regardless of my true identity.

You hate the idea of me.

You hate freedom.

I represent the will to quit. I represent the unprofitable solution to addiction. I represent the Word of God, and the power of mind of matter.

I understand your political game here. Its basic propaganda.

Claim "Your immature, your a fool, your a statistical oddity."

The fact is, I'm not immature. I'm not a fool. And statistics are for pussies.

I bear more responsibility than you likely ever will. I say "likely" because I do not know your true identity. Maybe you are Secretary of State. But unless you are, it is likely that you are speaking from an emotional sense of superiority, and not from fact.

Look me up. I am no coward. I don't wish to hide from you. Lucius De Borgia is just a pseudonym. My real name is Clayton L. Luce.

I own and operate a publishing company, a production company and am also creating an international cult exit support network.

Google me.

I am a name with a face. My face cannot afford to be immature.

I applaud your attempt at belittlement, but unfortunately, I think far less of myself than you ever will.

-Lucius DeBorgia

AKA Clayton L Luce

Dude...I don't care it your the prince of fucking Egypt and live in a golden mansion and drive a spaceship.

Either post roll and get with the program here...or leave.

I do believe that is a rule to stay here. You must actively post roll. A mod can correct me if I'm wrong?

Well then I guess a mod would have kicked me by now, huh?

I guess the mods you claim to represent don't quite agree with you. Maybe, like me, they are here to help people quit tobacco, not to promote a specific agenda.

I invite them to kick me if they wish, but they are well aware of me, and yet I remain. That is because I am a part of the system, not against it.

Nice try though.

As far as being a Prince, thats on me. When a spaceship is available on the common market I will buy it. As far as posting roll...NO. I quit tobacco. And I am here to support others who quit tobacco. Everyone keeps saying I should be gone, yet no one with authority has kicked me.

Maybe its because they are able to read PM's and know what is really going on with me.

lol.

You do keep me entertained though. Please keep the hits coming!

[Diesel2112]

Your way does succeed. 5% of the time. I genuinely hope you are one of the 5%. But trying to sway people away from a way that works far better than 5% is unconscionable. I don't predict you will be dipping in 30 days and I never did. But here is what I will predict: In 10 years when you have finally matured and become a man, you will look back at this and be embarrassed for yourself. Of course I expect you to disagree right now. You're still a boy and haven't thrown off boyish ways yet. You remind me of my 12 year old. He's convinced he knows everything too.

I understand your emotional response. and I appreciate your self restraint. However, I am a grown ass man.

I own a house and land - PAID FOR. I own a deisel truck -PAID FOR. I have a wife and three kids! I run 3 businesses with numerous employees who depend on me. I went to a top university. My real name is Clayton Luce. My grandfather founded Blue Bird Corporation. I was in a cult. I fought in a war. I was a Scout sniper. I have more experience of responsibility than most people will have in a lifetime.

I may sound like your 12 year old, but perhaps that is because with age comes wisdom, and with wisdom we revert back to the minds of children.

Simple things like, "I can make up my own mind."

You see, my successes in life prove my maturity. You can compare me to your children, but unless you are among the top 5%, you cannot compete with me.

You can claim statistics of who quits and who doesnt, but your just quoting words of others. The reality is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I would wager against you that most people that have quit tobacco have never even heard of kickthecan.org.

Lastly, I realize that people like you and Adiqq will never stop hounding me. Not because I am wrong, but because you have already drawn your line in the sand. You have declared me the enemy, and you will now fight me blindly, regardless of my true identity.

You hate the idea of me.

You hate freedom.

I represent the will to quit. I represent the unprofitable solution to addiction. I represent the Word of God, and the power of mind of matter.

I understand your political game here. Its basic propaganda.

Claim "Your immature, your a fool, your a statistical oddity."

The fact is, I'm not immature. I'm not a fool. And statistics are for pussies.

I bear more responsibility than you likely ever will. I say "likely" because I do not know your true identity. Maybe you are Secretary of State. But unless you are, it is likely that you are speaking from an emotional sense of superiority, and not from fact.

Look me up. I am no coward. I don't wish to hide from you. Lucius De Borgia is just a pseudonym. My real name is Clayton L. Luce.

I own and operate a publishing company, a production company and am also creating an international cult exit support network.

Google me.

I am a name with a face. My face cannot afford to be immature.

I applaud your attempt at belittlement, but unfortunately, I think far less of myself than you ever will.

-Lucius DeBorgia

AKA Clayton L Luce

Dude...I don't care it your the prince of fucking Egypt and live in a golden mansion and drive a spaceship.

Either post roll and get with the program here...or leave.

I do believe that is a rule to stay here. You must actively post roll. A mod can correct me if I'm wrong?

[Lucius_DeBorgia]

What is this, return of the idiot?

Your 30 days quit...I'M GLAD. I thought for sure you went back to the can, I'm glad I was wrong!!! I don't wish nic addiction on my worst enemy.

Here's the thing though. You do not belong here. You have your way and we have our way. This site has rules, principles and a support system you just don't believe in or belong in.

It's ok. The KTC way is not for everybody.

Either your in or your out here, its binary...you are either a 1 or a Zero.

You are zero.

100% Gods honest truth. The best thing you could do, is go and start your own sight. Because here, you are just bashing people who believe in quitting a certain way.

Go start LDquitters.com where you don't suck eachothers dicks, and you don't cry about craves. Also you only "support" (I use that term very loosely) every 30 days or so.

Seriously there have been people really struggling since you last ejected out of here. Where were you with ANY kind of support?

Gone. Because you are selfish. No brotherhood, no having anyone's back, no helping lift those who were down, and just no help to anybody. We don't need that kind of person here.

This is a voulantary community. People are here because they found a system that has worked for them and they wish to continue with it.

That's the bottom line in all this. They don't want to see some ragging loon come flying through here once a month telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing.

We don't care what you have to say. We found something we like and is working.

Just go away and stay quit.

Lol, how sweet. Since I last reported I have been out setting an example. Those who have been struggling here have had your dick to suck (as you so eloquently stated) and so they didnt need mine.

Now I am back, bringing good news of alternative quit methods. Not to contradict the Kick the Can method, but to compliment it. Why you hardcore KTC members are so hell-bent on rejecting all methods that arent your own is beyond me. But hey, I aint gonna waste my time trying to figure it out.

Despite that, I am not leaving this site until a moderator kicks me.

Why?

Because I found this site while I was researching ways to kick my snuff habit.

I truly believe I speak to the creators of this site when I say that KTC is not a specific system of quitting, but rather it is a community of support for those who are making that step. That includes people like me who don't, as you stated, wish to suck cock in the process.

You may hate me, but not everyone does. And you may think I dont belong here, but I do.

You don't have to be here posting on my thread. The fact that you just posted just shot my thread back to the top of the list. I have over 2,000 views. I have had many messages of thanks for my support.

You don't have to like me, but I'm not buying this bullshit of "I have to start my own site to help people."

I am helping people right here. And people are helping me.

If you don't want to include all tobacco quitters in the KTC community, then maybe you should change the name to 12stepsfordippers.com.

[Skoal Monster]

Pfffft

Another better mousetrap. If you don't like the program, get off the boat.

50 days is awesome, congrats, maybe your special. Im not. Im an addict. I post roll . Shit works .

Sm

[Lucius_DeBorgia]

Your way does succeed. 5% of the time. I genuinely hope you are one of the 5%. But trying to sway people away from a way that works far better than 5% is unconscionable. I don't predict you will be dipping in 30 days and I never did. But here is what I will predict: In 10 years when you have finally matured and become a man, you will look back at this and be embarrassed for yourself. Of course I expect you to disagree right now. You're still a boy and haven't thrown off boyish ways yet. You remind me of my 12 year old. He's convinced he knows everything too.

I understand your emotional response. and I appreciate your self restraint. However, I am a grown ass man.

I own a house and land - PAID FOR. I own a deisel truck -PAID FOR. I have a wife and three kids! I run 3 businesses with numerous employees who depend on me. I went to a top university. My real name is Clayton Luce. My grandfather founded Blue Bird Corporation. I was in a cult. I fought in a war. I was a Scout sniper. I have more experience of responsibility than most people will have in a lifetime.

I may sound like your 12 year old, but perhaps that is because with age comes wisdom, and with wisdom we revert back to the minds of children.

Simple things like, "I can make up my own mind."

You see, my successes in life prove my maturity. You can compare me to your children, but unless you are among the top 5%, you cannot compete with me.

You can claim statistics of who quits and who doesnt, but your just quoting words of others. The reality is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and I would wager against you that most people that have quit tobacco have never even heard of kickthecan.org.

Lastly, I realize that people like you and Adiqq will never stop hounding me. Not because I am wrong, but because you have already drawn your line in the sand. You have declared me the enemy, and you will now fight me blindly, regardless of my true identity.

You hate the idea of me.

You hate freedom.

I represent the will to quit. I represent the unprofitable solution to addiction. I represent the Word of God, and the power of mind of matter.

I understand your political game here. Its basic propaganda.

Claim "Your immature, your a fool, your a statistical oddity."

The fact is, I'm not immature. I'm not a fool. And statistics are for pussies.

I bear more responsibility than you likely ever will. I say "likely" because I do not know your true identity. Maybe you are Secretary of State. But unless you are, it is likely that you are speaking from an emotional sense of superiority, and not from fact.

Look me up. I am no coward. I don't wish to hide from you. Lucius De Borgia is just a pseudonym. My real name is Clayton L. Luce.

I own and operate a publishing company, a production company and am also creating an international cult exit support network.

Google me.

I am a name with a face. My face cannot afford to be immature.

I applaud your attempt at belittlement, but unfortunately, I think far less of myself than you ever will.

-Lucius DeBorgia

AKA Clayton L Luce