I just wanna dip again

[Its_Got2Happen]

You're full of shit.

Being a stay at home Dad can no doubt to stressful, but I'm sure its been done before without dip. Its not an impossibility. How often did you sneak away from your Kids to get your dip on? Or did you just say fuck it and dip right in front of them?

You you're starting to think "a lifetime of fighting urges to pacify your addiction just isnt worth it"

Well guess what...it won't be a LIFETIME of fighting urges. Its tough in the beginning, but it does get better. The urges get less and less. The way you feel right now, will not be how you feel the rest of your life. Quit sentencing yourself to a LIFETIME of doom. That's your addicted mind talking .

You saw a video of you with your kids and were almost in tears because you are so different from the guy you are now?

DIP made you happy and enamored with your kids? You really believe that BULLSHIT???? That without Dip, you cannot enjoy your kids as much? Bull fucking shit.

I'm not saying all this to be a dick. I'm saying it because I felt the exact same way and I was full of shit too.

Dip can't make the stress if being a stay at home dad any better, it can only add to it.

Dip will not consume your every thought for the rest of your life.

You do not need dip to enjoy your beautiful children. That's the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Quit giving that crap so much credit. LOVE and ENJOYMENT comes from the HEART. Not a fucking can of posion weeds.

Quit glamourising the crap. You think you were Joey Funtime when you were loading your lip. I guarantee you weren't. I also guarantee you are a bit depressed right now and think that popping in some cancer candy will not SPRING you back to being some great guy who you THOUGHT you were, like Popeye eating a can of spinach.

You may have been a great guy, but it wasn't the dip making you that way. You just think it was. AND YOU'RE STILL A GREAT GUY. You just have to find yourself again. The real you. Not the one dependant on dip.

Get all these bullshit excuses and addict logic out of your head.

You're not the first to be at this crossroads nor the last. Its tough, no doubt , but deep down you know what road to take.

It won't be easy but you don't have to walk it alone. We are here to help.

Get your head on straight and keep fighting. Its all worth it. Trust me.

Holy shit Deisel, that just pumped some energy into my quit. Thanks.

Lan, these guys speak the truth man. Keep putting one foot in front of the other. You don't need that shit, the truth is, you never did.

[G]

It gets better. You're in a funk right now. It will pass. It might be two more days or a few weeks. You just gotta stay strong 'til it does. You'll come out on the other side feeling grand. Then, in another six months,bam......back in funky town. But once you start putting the days behind you, it'll get to where you will go weeks or even months without a real crave or thought of dipping. You just gotta stick it out. If it was easy, big tobacco would be broke. Most people can't even quit for three days. You're home free, bro. You can do it, you just gotta finish the drill. We can help. Others have told you how. Start posting roll call.

[Tazbutane]

Welcome to KTC Lan, lots of good information below and on the site, the chat room in the upper right corner can be very helpful.

If you have not noticed this place is full of addicts, all of us fighting the good fight every single day. Just stay quit today, come back tomorrow morning and do it over again.

96 days on your own is a great accomplishment! There are some serious funks that come at different times in your quit, it sounds like you are reaching one now. That is what makes this site so valuable to us.

Daily accountability. I am going to send you a PM with my number, call or text me if you want to talk. Do not hesitate to ask anyone here for there number, if you see someone's story that speaks to you, reach out to them.

It will get better, use the information on this site to arm yourself.

Here is a PM I received on one of my first days with a lot of good information and links. Some may not apply since you are so far along. I will quit with you, now go do some reading on the site while you have some time and enjoy your family! You can do this!

Congratulations on your decision to quit. Like most things that are worthwhile, it is not going to be easy. Unlike most things worthwhile, It will save your life.

While there are folks here with more days of quit and more wisdom than I, I would like to share some things that I have learned along the way:

1. Cold Turkey is the only quit: Using nicotine to replace nicotine to treat nicotine addiction doesn't make any sense, does it? Matter of a fact using nicotine replacement therapy merely prolongs the physical withdrawal, making it more difficult to quit. We feel so strongly about this that posting in the "Quit groups" section is reserved for people who are not using nicotine in any form.

2. Post Roll first thing each day. This is a promise that you will not use nicotine that day. It is a promise to everyone here. Keep your word. We only quit one day at a time. Tomorrow we all wake up and repeat that promise.

3. Don't try to quit Get all the "trys" and "I hopes" out of your system, here we do. Try doesn't cut it. I've tried to quit many times, didn't work. I suspect you have tried, too. This time come to quit! I used for 30+ years, encompassing my entire adolescent and adult life. If I can do it, so can you.

4. You are not a special butterfly: Like me, you are now traveling a well traveled path. There are folks here that know just what you are going through. That doesn't just go for quitting, goes for life stresses, too. We have had quitters loose parents, have car accidents, go through divorces, get diagnosed with cancer, beat drinking and drug problems, and they stayed quit. Nicotine does not solve problems, it creates them. The only thing nicotine does is briefly relieve you of the symptoms of nicotine withdrawl. Since nicotine does not help with any of life's problems, there is never a valid excuse to cave.

5. Read, read, read: Roll Call is an essential part of accountability here. But just posting roll and moving on with your day is not going to cut it. You need to arm yourself with knowledge. The entire site is filled with wisdom on what to do, and stories of failure that teach us what not to do. You will find out what withdrawal symptoms you can expect and when, and how to be prepared.

6. Allow yourself to be held accountable- ask for cell numbers from your quit brothers and share yours with them (via PM). They will be your lifeline and you will be theirs. It is powerful to text a brother when you are craving.


Glad to have you aboard, Don't hesitate to contact me if you need anything,

Dale/30yrAddict

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Here are some helpful links:

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Your Quit Group: March 2013 In addition, you are also welcome to post up with us in May 2011.

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How to post roll.

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Quit Groups, What do they mean, by SOS

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Roll call, why we do it by LOOT.

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What to Expect when you quit.

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Symptoms of Quitting dip and chew

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Contract to give up...

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Smokeless alternatives

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Words of Wisdom Make sure you read the first three stories: Sean, Tom and Jenny and Randy.

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[Diesel2112]

You're full of shit.

Being a stay at home Dad can no doubt to stressful, but I'm sure its been done before without dip. Its not an impossibility. How often did you sneak away from your Kids to get your dip on? Or did you just say fuck it and dip right in front of them?

You you're starting to think "a lifetime of fighting urges to pacify your addiction just isnt worth it"

Well guess what...it won't be a LIFETIME of fighting urges. Its tough in the beginning, but it does get better. The urges get less and less. The way you feel right now, will not be how you feel the rest of your life. Quit sentencing yourself to a LIFETIME of doom. That's your addicted mind talking .

You saw a video of you with your kids and were almost in tears because you are so different from the guy you are now?

DIP made you happy and enamored with your kids? You really believe that BULLSHIT???? That without Dip, you cannot enjoy your kids as much? Bull fucking shit.

I'm not saying all this to be a dick. I'm saying it because I felt the exact same way and I was full of shit too.

Dip can't make the stress if being a stay at home dad any better, it can only add to it.

Dip will not consume your every thought for the rest of your life.

You do not need dip to enjoy your beautiful children. That's the most rediculous thing I have ever heard. Quit giving that crap so much credit. LOVE and ENJOYMENT comes from the HEART. Not a fucking can of posion weeds.

Quit glamourising the crap. You think you were Joey Funtime when you were loading your lip. I guarantee you weren't. I also guarantee you are a bit depressed right now and think that popping in some cancer candy will not SPRING you back to being some great guy who you THOUGHT you were, like Popeye eating a can of spinach.

You may have been a great guy, but it wasn't the dip making you that way. You just think it was. AND YOU'RE STILL A GREAT GUY. You just have to find yourself again. The real you. Not the one dependant on dip.

Get all these bullshit excuses and addict logic out of your head.

You're not the first to be at this crossroads nor the last. Its tough, no doubt , but deep down you know what road to take.

It won't be easy but you don't have to walk it alone. We are here to help.

Get your head on straight and keep fighting. Its all worth it. Trust me.

[TSNUS]

From one substance abuser to another welcome to your freedom.

[rickddd]

rickddd, SirDerek, and KKLJINC- Thank you for your support. Your posts have made me rethink why I quit and have given me a little more strength than I had before I made my post. That story about Tom and Jenny Kern definitely helps because it's so relateable. My mother in law smoked until she lost all cognizance which was only a few days before she died. Can say I blame her being that she was terminally ill but it goes to show how strong the urge to use nicotine is once you've been hooked.

You guys know how hard the desire to dip pulls on you sometimes. Sometimes I am really tense to the point where I am ready to throw down over the drop of a hat and other times I am so happy I don't dip. I need to start working out to release some stress.

I'll stay strong today.

Glad to see you posted roll Lan! Most people make a huge mess of that their first time, but you did it right! nice work! lol.

More importantly, glad you decided to stay strong today and promise not to dip. Proud of you, man. This shit aint easy, so nice job!

Anytime you hit a rough patch, there is a Chat room here at KTC - if you're able, jump in there and talk it out. If you're not able to do that, you need to collect and USE phone numbers. I have several guys that I text (and text me) during weak moments, or just to check in and see how things are. I'll PM you my number so there's one. shoot me a text anytime.

[Parputt]

Hey Lan how about this, try a healthy addiction.

For the majority of my adult life I drank heavily and dipped. A little over 6 years ago I took my last drink and just over two years ago I took my last dip. Two years ago I started running. I now run 4-6 days a week and have completed a half marathon and will run a full marathon in January. I'm not saying you have to start running I'm just saying there are other ways to occupy your mind without killing yourself.

And quit telling yourself you are doomed to be an addict just cause your dad was. I thought the same thing for years with my drinking and that was my excuse. My dad was an alcoholic so that is my destiny. BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!!!!

Break the mold man!

PM if you want to talk more.

[hokiehi]

Welcome Lan. I too am a rage machine. But...I will not go back to putting the dip in my lip. The rage has always been there, I just have to find ways to get through it. Find some time to workout. I find that a good weights session burns off some of my frustrations. Or I'll go for a run. Whatever it takes. I still rage, but I try and be very conscious of it and determine why I am angry. I also am extra careful not to be a dick with my wife and kids. It isn't always easy, but try and be cognizant of it. Decide if there is really any reason for you being upset. Give yourself a time out before you blow hot. If you stop and think through it, there is likely some underlying issue for your rage....it has nothing to do with nicotine.

[wastepanel]

1 day.

That's all we need to get through.

It doesn't matter how easy or hard it is...we all have the same distance of time to cover. I walk the same path as you do today my friend.

You are far enough along into this quit to understand this: Anybody can stop for periods of time. Normally, we tell our new quitters to post roll and vent here because it establishes a habit instead of going back to the can. It helps us track them, and make sure they are progressing nicely.

However, the further along we are in our quits, the more important roll becomes. The physical hurting won't always be there with quitting, and there will be good times. Very good times. There will be times that are so good you will forget how hard it was to quit in the first place.

Unless you do something little like remind yourself "I am mortal".

In 2006, I stopped while watching my mom succumb to the same sickness. It took 10 months and it was the most horrible thing I have ever seen in my life. It was so horrible I had no want for that cancer weed for years.

And then I did because I forgot I was an addict.

And then I was hooked again and twisted back into a user.

You can do this man. Take it one step at a time. Feel free to post roll, and hang out here. We have some good advice posted all over for all stages of your quit. We know what you're going through because we've been there as well.

I hope to see you around more.

[kkljinc]

rickddd, SirDerek, and KKLJINC- Thank you for your support. Your posts have made me rethink why I quit and have given me a little more strength than I had before I made my post. That story about Tom and Jenny Kern definitely helps because it's so relateable. My mother in law smoked until she lost all cognizance which was only a few days before she died. Can say I blame her being that she was terminally ill but it goes to show how strong the urge to use nicotine is once you've been hooked.

You guys know how hard the desire to dip pulls on you sometimes. Sometimes I am really tense to the point where I am ready to throw down over the drop of a hat and other times I am so happy I don't dip. I need to start working out to release some stress.

I'll stay strong today.

we are all here for you, close to 15,000 of us now. KTC is an amazing place, people step up and help you fight. Get in your group, April I think you were, and start posting roll. Be accountable and you will find it will get better. I post roll everyday, to my group, to my kids, to my wife, and to anyone else who will listen.

The broader my accountability circle the less chance of a fuck up right?

[Lan]

rickddd, SirDerek, and KKLJINC- Thank you for your support. Your posts have made me rethink why I quit and have given me a little more strength than I had before I made my post. That story about Tom and Jenny Kern definitely helps because it's so relateable. My mother in law smoked until she lost all cognizance which was only a few days before she died. Can say I blame her being that she was terminally ill but it goes to show how strong the urge to use nicotine is once you've been hooked.

You guys know how hard the desire to dip pulls on you sometimes. Sometimes I am really tense to the point where I am ready to throw down over the drop of a hat and other times I am so happy I don't dip. I need to start working out to release some stress.

I'll stay strong today.

[Notdeadyet]

Hi All,

I started chewing tobacco when I was 16. Actually, I was a smoker and chewer until I decided one day I would kick the smoking habit for chew because I thought it would be easier to see cancer as a chewer. I started regularly chewing when I was 20 and kicked smoking to the curb then. Now I am 31, married with 3 kids and I quit dippin on Jan 2nd 2013. I was a can a day dipper for 11 years or so. 

Reasons I quit:

I was tired of feeling concern over the damage I was doing to my body. Every time I put a dip in I would think "I wonder if this is the dip that gives me cancer" It was a constant struggle that I got tired of fighting.

My kids and wife. My mother in law was diagnosed with cancer 12/26/2012 and died 1/18/2013. She was a heavy smoker and losing her was really hard on my wife. My kids are too young to know better with the exception of my 2.5 year old who reminds my wife and I that grandma is in Heaven (I don't know where she got that so I am now more convinced there is an afterlife) We are not religious and do not go to church.

Why I joined this site:

Because I am at a point where I feel like throwing the towel in. The further I get away from my quit date the more I think about dippin.

Excuses for going back to dippin:

I am under a tremendous amount of stress at the house. I am a stay at home Dad to 3 kids under the age of 3. We have 1.5 y/o twins and an almost 3 y/o. (I am not blaming my kids for dippin, it's my fault I can't figure out a better way to handle my daily life without dip, not THEIRS)

I am a fucking asshole lately and I am getting worse. I don't put up with bullshit from anyone and I let them know it. It's taking a major toll on my relationship with my wife and I feel really bad because I am a totally different person than the guy she married. Before I'd put a dip in and let words go in one ear and out the other.

I am an addict and I am wired this way. I am starting to believe a lifetime of misery fighting urges to pacify my addictive mind are not worth it. I am fucking miserable without some substance to make me feel whole. I have been this way my entire life, and as a new parent, I am realizing this is a genetic issue. My Dad is the same way and I think my daughter may have the same issue.

Conclusion:

I watched some videos the other day of me raising my 2.5 y/o that almost brought me to tears. My wife brought them up to show me how much I had changed. The person I was then was happy, enamored with my kid, attentive and positive. I feel like I am doing my family a disservice by quitting something that will shorten my life. I know it's just another excuse but I cannot see the forest through the trees right now and I just don't think I can live life like this anymore.

My buddy "tried" quitting for over ten years. Kept coming up with exuses to feed his addiction and continue his slavery. He died last November at 46 yrs old after 14+ months of chemo and radiation torture. What do you think his family went through?

Stop making excuses. Genetic. LMFAO. Here's a little secret: Ban nicotine from your body. It is no longer an option. When that bitch starts chirping in your ear just hold out your "talk to the hand, Bitch!" and turn your head away. It is a lot easier to ignore the addiction's calls when you have banned the shit.

It gets easier and easier. It takes time. You will never be cured, but you won't have to suffer. Do not take it out on your family. It's your own damn fault you are an addict. Get your mind in the right place and you will be free.

[rickddd]

Also, Lan - here is a link to the story of Jenny Kern - whose husband Tom got mouth cancer and died. Please read it.
http://www.killthecan.org/facts/jennykern.asp

[kkljinc]

Hi All,

I started chewing tobacco when I was 16. Actually, I was a smoker and chewer until I decided one day I would kick the smoking habit for chew because I thought it would be easier to see cancer as a chewer. I started regularly chewing when I was 20 and kicked smoking to the curb then. Now I am 31, married with 3 kids and I quit dippin on Jan 2nd 2013. I was a can a day dipper for 11 years or so.

Reasons I quit:

I was tired of feeling concern over the damage I was doing to my body. Every time I put a dip in I would think "I wonder if this is the dip that gives me cancer" It was a constant struggle that I got tired of fighting.

My kids and wife. My mother in law was diagnosed with cancer 12/26/2012 and died 1/18/2013. She was a heavy smoker and losing her was really hard on my wife. My kids are too young to know better with the exception of my 2.5 year old who reminds my wife and I that grandma is in Heaven (I don't know where she got that so I am now more convinced there is an afterlife) We are not religious and do not go to church.

Why I joined this site:

Because I am at a point where I feel like throwing the towel in. The further I get away from my quit date the more I think about dippin.

Excuses for going back to dippin:

I am under a tremendous amount of stress at the house. I am a stay at home Dad to 3 kids under the age of 3. We have 1.5 y/o twins and an almost 3 y/o. (I am not blaming my kids for dippin, it's my fault I can't figure out a better way to handle my daily life without dip, not THEIRS)

I am a fucking asshole lately and I am getting worse. I don't put up with bullshit from anyone and I let them know it. It's taking a major toll on my relationship with my wife and I feel really bad because I am a totally different person than the guy she married. Before I'd put a dip in and let words go in one ear and out the other.

I am an addict and I am wired this way. I am starting to believe a lifetime of misery fighting urges to pacify my addictive mind are not worth it. I am fucking miserable without some substance to make me feel whole. I have been this way my entire life, and as a new parent, I am realizing this is a genetic issue. My Dad is the same way and I think my daughter may have the same issue.

Conclusion:

I watched some videos the other day of me raising my 2.5 y/o that almost brought me to tears. My wife brought them up to show me how much I had changed. The person I was then was happy, enamored with my kid, attentive and positive. I feel like I am doing my family a disservice by quitting something that will shorten my life. I know it's just another excuse but I cannot see the forest through the trees right now and I just don't think I can live life like this anymore.

Lan, first welcome, dude you have been quit since January and that is bad ass. Get on here and start pushing your frustrations over to us. Not the wife or the kids. There are a lot of guys on here with stories just like yours, me included.

Man, once I got the mindset that I was not going to go back to the nic, I was able to stand tall and fight. You have to fight bro. You say you feel like your life span will be shorter but your kids will enjoy you more? I dont buy it. Dont let her win. Get involved in KTC, your a bad ass quitter, stay being a bad ass quitter.

You got this. I quit with you today. Now, figure out your group post roll make some friends, were here for you.

[SirDerek]

Hi All,

I started chewing tobacco when I was 16. Actually, I was a smoker and chewer until I decided one day I would kick the smoking habit for chew because I thought it would be easier to see cancer as a chewer. I started regularly chewing when I was 20 and kicked smoking to the curb then. Now I am 31, married with 3 kids and I quit dippin on Jan 2nd 2013. I was a can a day dipper for 11 years or so.

Reasons I quit:

I was tired of feeling concern over the damage I was doing to my body. Every time I put a dip in I would think "I wonder if this is the dip that gives me cancer" It was a constant struggle that I got tired of fighting.

My kids and wife. My mother in law was diagnosed with cancer 12/26/2012 and died 1/18/2013. She was a heavy smoker and losing her was really hard on my wife. My kids are too young to know better with the exception of my 2.5 year old who reminds my wife and I that grandma is in Heaven (I don't know where she got that so I am now more convinced there is an afterlife) We are not religious and do not go to church.

Why I joined this site:

Because I am at a point where I feel like throwing the towel in. The further I get away from my quit date the more I think about dippin.

Excuses for going back to dippin:

I am under a tremendous amount of stress at the house. I am a stay at home Dad to 3 kids under the age of 3. We have 1.5 y/o twins and an almost 3 y/o. (I am not blaming my kids for dippin, it's my fault I can't figure out a better way to handle my daily life without dip, not THEIRS)

I am a fucking asshole lately and I am getting worse. I don't put up with bullshit from anyone and I let them know it. It's taking a major toll on my relationship with my wife and I feel really bad because I am a totally different person than the guy she married. Before I'd put a dip in and let words go in one ear and out the other.

I am an addict and I am wired this way. I am starting to believe a lifetime of misery fighting urges to pacify my addictive mind are not worth it. I am fucking miserable without some substance to make me feel whole. I have been this way my entire life, and as a new parent, I am realizing this is a genetic issue. My Dad is the same way and I think my daughter may have the same issue.

Conclusion:

I watched some videos the other day of me raising my 2.5 y/o that almost brought me to tears. My wife brought them up to show me how much I had changed. The person I was then was happy, enamored with my kid, attentive and positive. I feel like I am doing my family a disservice by quitting something that will shorten my life. I know it's just another excuse but I cannot see the forest through the trees right now and I just don't think I can live life like this anymore.

Welcome Lan - you may have just found the place that will help relieve you from some of the stressors that you have currently

First of all congrats for your lengthy quit, since Jan 2nd, with it being on your own. With a quit date of that you would be a part of the April 13 quit group.

as you may already be at (or very close) to the 100 day hall of fame time, It still holds greatly true that if you post roll and give your word each day, whether it be day 3, 30, 300 or beyond, it is still the relieve that you have made that promise and that a decision to use nicotene is off the table.

If you really look at it, the dipping will not help one bit with raising your kids. It will cost you money, it will cost you time (to get away and actually purchase it), it will cost you the time when you have to excuse yourself to get rid of it and/or reload. So just leave it in the past as you have done so far.

You mentioned that you dipped for 11 years, so the 100ish days that you have quit does not measure up yet. Keep a level head for that and it will get better. If you need jump into the live chat and get rid of your anger and whatever there with us and try not to vent on the kids and wife.

I encourage you to let the wife read the spousal section as it will show her what you are going through and that it is that nic bitch causing the issues.

so jump in, learn the tools, and never go back