Howdy - here I go ...

[copingwithoutcopen]

Tomorrow I reach that second floor, you want to know what that means to me? It means I am high up now and I am beginning to see further into the future as a brother who is truly quit. I can see clearer too. The nic bitch isn't clouding my mind anymore. I know I'm an addict and I will never be a normal person but I can sure feel normal and act normal. With that exception of like the other day I as at the auto shop buying oil for my old POS and I did look a bit to long at the snuff rack behind the counter, but I didn't for a minute think of buying a can. Thank you, you bunch of A--holes for getting me here to this point. Now it's on to the 3rd floor and with that the ability to see even farther.

Man, you get it and the days stack up quick. I've saved enough dough to buy about a hundred cases of Shell 5w30 (conventional). When I look at the poison rack, it's to check the price so my tally is accurate. That daily promise keeps us undefeated. High five over the nic bitch's back today, bro. If things work out, chances are pretty good I'll quit with you tomorrow, too.

[BearHawk]

Tomorrow I reach that second floor, you want to know what that means to me? It means I am high up now and I am beginning to see further into the future as a brother who is truly quit. I can see clearer too. The nic bitch isn't clouding my mind anymore. I know I'm an addict and I will never be a normal person but I can sure feel normal and act normal. With that exception of like the other day I as at the auto shop buying oil for my old POS and I did look a bit to long at the snuff rack behind the counter, but I didn't for a minute think of buying a can. Thank you, you bunch of A--holes for getting me here to this point. Now it's on to the 3rd floor and with that the ability to see even farther.

[BearHawk]

Holding the quitter accountable ... I like the thought of that.  Backing up a friend and making him a brother or a sister ... that is a very high Ideal.  I reach out to any man or woman who wants to quit and stay quit and I will help them along in any way I can.  I have an will continue to recommend this site to friends and anyone else I see that wants to quit.  I proudly tell them all I am 192 days quit and I tell them why. 

What I will not do is dump a bucket of shit on my brother or sister just because they don't think or feel the same way I do or the way others do.  I spent 20 years defending the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and I can not tolerate people who think because they have an idea of how things should be, that they have a right to step on other people. 

The only person I am truly accountable to is me.  They only person I am out to try to impress is my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS. 

I've went back and looked over the old timers and I can see that there are a whole lot of you all still around and posting daily.  NOT.  If you can't deal with life with out nicotine without this site then I am all for supporting you for life.  But there are some people who after a time don't need the meetings every day, there are people that can keep their quit on with meeting just once in awhile. 

Just let the brothers and sisters live their lives.

Oh Gawd. So dramatic.

Good luck to Dabean. Hope he remains quit for life.

Dunzo with this nonsense.

What da fuck did I read? You want to go live your life? Why aren't you?
Go live it. Dippers that post realized they couldn't be accountable to self.

Go impress your God and be accountable to self.

Oh while your out in the world, check out this river in Egypt.

It's also called De Nyle.

Quitters, burn your boats. Nicotine is dangerously subtle an tries to dupe you back with
half truths.

This declaration is a half truth. What's missing? I submitt the fact that there isn't a cure. Addicts need daily treatment. Remember that....especially when you are feeling great!

Bearhawk, you are missing the point of why everyone jumped in. People are free to choose to be here or not. People are free to live their lives. But when a dedicated quitter writes a 1/2 page farewell speech with addict-speak justifications most of us see that as a cry for help.
Of course people can quit on their own. But the vast majority of us at KTC could not. We needed the peer accountability. That is why we are here. Re-read what dabean wrote and forget for a second who wrote it.

OK so as long as you don't write a good by speech then its ok to move on. I get it. If you miss a day or two then it's all cool. Hey I'm good ... I am going to keep in contact with dabean and he and I will keep our quit on. I am staying here ... for now ... to keep the quit real.

[BearHawk]

Happy Birthday!!!!

^^^ X2!! always appreciate your posts!

Thank you

[BearHawk]

Happy Birthday!!!!

Thank you

[brettlees]

Happy Birthday!!!!

^^^ X2!! always appreciate your posts!

[traumagnet]

Happy Birthday!!!!

[T-Cell]

Holding the quitter accountable ... I like the thought of that.  Backing up a friend and making him a brother or a sister ... that is a very high Ideal.  I reach out to any man or woman who wants to quit and stay quit and I will help them along in any way I can.  I have an will continue to recommend this site to friends and anyone else I see that wants to quit.  I proudly tell them all I am 192 days quit and I tell them why. 

What I will not do is dump a bucket of shit on my brother or sister just because they don't think or feel the same way I do or the way others do.  I spent 20 years defending the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and I can not tolerate people who think because they have an idea of how things should be, that they have a right to step on other people. 

The only person I am truly accountable to is me.  They only person I am out to try to impress is my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS. 

I've went back and looked over the old timers and I can see that there are a whole lot of you all still around and posting daily.  NOT.  If you can't deal with life with out nicotine without this site then I am all for supporting you for life.  But there are some people who after a time don't need the meetings every day, there are people that can keep their quit on with meeting just once in awhile. 

Just let the brothers and sisters live their lives.

Oh Gawd. So dramatic.

Good luck to Dabean. Hope he remains quit for life.

Dunzo with this nonsense.

What da fuck did I read? You want to go live your life? Why aren't you?
Go live it. Dippers that post realized they couldn't be accountable to self.

Go impress your God and be accountable to self.

Oh while your out in the world, check out this river in Egypt.

It's also called De Nyle.

Quitters, burn your boats. Nicotine is dangerously subtle an tries to dupe you back with
half truths.

This declaration is a half truth. What's missing? I submitt the fact that there isn't a cure. Addicts need daily treatment. Remember that....especially when you are feeling great!

Bearhawk, you are missing the point of why everyone jumped in. People are free to choose to be here or not. People are free to live their lives. But when a dedicated quitter writes a 1/2 page farewell speech with addict-speak justifications most of us see that as a cry for help.
Of course people can quit on their own. But the vast majority of us at KTC could not. We needed the peer accountability. That is why we are here. Re-read what dabean wrote and forget for a second who wrote it.

[traumagnet]

Holding the quitter accountable ... I like the thought of that.  Backing up a friend and making him a brother or a sister ... that is a very high Ideal.  I reach out to any man or woman who wants to quit and stay quit and I will help them along in any way I can.  I have an will continue to recommend this site to friends and anyone else I see that wants to quit.  I proudly tell them all I am 192 days quit and I tell them why. 

What I will not do is dump a bucket of shit on my brother or sister just because they don't think or feel the same way I do or the way others do.  I spent 20 years defending the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and I can not tolerate people who think because they have an idea of how things should be, that they have a right to step on other people. 

The only person I am truly accountable to is me.  They only person I am out to try to impress is my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS. 

I've went back and looked over the old timers and I can see that there are a whole lot of you all still around and posting daily.  NOT.  If you can't deal with life with out nicotine without this site then I am all for supporting you for life.  But there are some people who after a time don't need the meetings every day, there are people that can keep their quit on with meeting just once in awhile. 

Just let the brothers and sisters live their lives.

Oh Gawd. So dramatic.

Good luck to Dabean. Hope he remains quit for life.

Dunzo with this nonsense.

What da fuck did I read? You want to go live your life? Why aren't you?
Go live it. Dippers that post realized they couldn't be accountable to self.

Go impress your God and be accountable to self.

Oh while your out in the world, check out this river in Egypt.

It's also called De Nyle.

Quitters, burn your boats. Nicotine is dangerously subtle an tries to dupe you back with
half truths.

This declaration is a half truth. What's missing? I submitt the fact that there isn't a cure. Addicts need daily treatment. Remember that....especially when you are feeling great!

No one has said that at all...what people have said is that they recognize the language that was being used by Dabean as someone who wanted to quit coming to KTC as consistent with a person laying the groundwork for a planned cave. The over all message that was being conveyed to him was that, it does not sound like a good idea to leave. The other message that was sent was, is this a cry for help? You sound like you are hurting or in a horrible funk. A third message that was sent was if he was not hurting then just leave no need for a grand exit...like from behind the candelabra style.

Sometimes when you care about someone you have to be that person to disagree with their stance. Especially with something as serious as battling addiction. There is no shortcut. No one said you cant leave here what they said was that it is probably not a good idea and if you do leave just go.

[Mthomas3824]

Holding the quitter accountable ... I like the thought of that.  Backing up a friend and making him a brother or a sister ... that is a very high Ideal.  I reach out to any man or woman who wants to quit and stay quit and I will help them along in any way I can.  I have an will continue to recommend this site to friends and anyone else I see that wants to quit.  I proudly tell them all I am 192 days quit and I tell them why. 

What I will not do is dump a bucket of shit on my brother or sister just because they don't think or feel the same way I do or the way others do.  I spent 20 years defending the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and I can not tolerate people who think because they have an idea of how things should be, that they have a right to step on other people. 

The only person I am truly accountable to is me.  They only person I am out to try to impress is my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS. 

I've went back and looked over the old timers and I can see that there are a whole lot of you all still around and posting daily.  NOT.  If you can't deal with life with out nicotine without this site then I am all for supporting you for life.  But there are some people who after a time don't need the meetings every day, there are people that can keep their quit on with meeting just once in awhile. 

Just let the brothers and sisters live their lives.

Oh Gawd. So dramatic.

Good luck to Dabean. Hope he remains quit for life.

Dunzo with this nonsense.

What da fuck did I read? You want to go live your life? Why aren't you?
Go live it. Dippers that post realized they couldn't be accountable to self.

Go impress your God and be accountable to self.

Oh while your out in the world, check out this river in Egypt.

It's also called De Nyle.

Quitters, burn your boats. Nicotine is dangerously subtle an tries to dupe you back with
half truths.

This declaration is a half truth. What's missing? I submitt the fact that there isn't a cure. Addicts need daily treatment. Remember that....especially when you are feeling great!

[Diesel2112]

Holding the quitter accountable ... I like the thought of that.  Backing up a friend and making him a brother or a sister ... that is a very high Ideal.  I reach out to any man or woman who wants to quit and stay quit and I will help them along in any way I can.  I have an will continue to recommend this site to friends and anyone else I see that wants to quit.  I proudly tell them all I am 192 days quit and I tell them why. 

What I will not do is dump a bucket of shit on my brother or sister just because they don't think or feel the same way I do or the way others do.  I spent 20 years defending the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and I can not tolerate people who think because they have an idea of how things should be, that they have a right to step on other people. 

The only person I am truly accountable to is me.  They only person I am out to try to impress is my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS. 

I've went back and looked over the old timers and I can see that there are a whole lot of you all still around and posting daily.  NOT.  If you can't deal with life with out nicotine without this site then I am all for supporting you for life.  But there are some people who after a time don't need the meetings every day, there are people that can keep their quit on with meeting just once in awhile. 

Just let the brothers and sisters live their lives.

Oh Gawd. So dramatic.

Good luck to Dabean. Hope he remains quit for life.

Dunzo with this nonsense.

[BearHawk]

Holding the quitter accountable ... I like the thought of that. Backing up a friend and making him a brother or a sister ... that is a very high Ideal. I reach out to any man or woman who wants to quit and stay quit and I will help them along in any way I can. I have an will continue to recommend this site to friends and anyone else I see that wants to quit. I proudly tell them all I am 192 days quit and I tell them why.

What I will not do is dump a bucket of shit on my brother or sister just because they don't think or feel the same way I do or the way others do. I spent 20 years defending the constitution of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and I can not tolerate people who think because they have an idea of how things should be, that they have a right to step on other people.

The only person I am truly accountable to is me. They only person I am out to try to impress is my LORD and SAVIOR JESUS.

I've went back and looked over the old timers and I can see that there are a whole lot of you all still around and posting daily. NOT. If you can't deal with life with out nicotine without this site then I am all for supporting you for life. But there are some people who after a time don't need the meetings every day, there are people that can keep their quit on with meeting just once in awhile.

Just let the brothers and sisters live their lives.

[Diesel2112]

I really do hate the drama of this site.  You hear people talk about it's your quit, ever quit is different and shit like that but then when someone feels they are ready to face the world and not post every day they all go ape shit.  Hey just because some one leaves or takes a break or just slows down their posting doesn't mean they will fail.  I feel I need to stay here a while but that doesn't mean I will stay here forever.  I may be her a year or five or 10 or I may just opt out next week.  It is my quit and I feel that I should stay right now and keep supporting others and being supported by others.  It's my quit so stay the fuck out of it.  I will be proud to post 200 days and post 300 days and post 365 days.  And when I feel I don't need to post daily I will slow down.  When I feel somewhere down the road I don't need to post at all any more I won't.  One thing I have learned here over the last 191 day is don't tell anyone your intensions ... OH MY GOD ... then the losers come out of the closest and start hating on you.  Hey if you are one of those who need this site for the rest of your life more power to you but stop hating on those who move on with their lives.  I am stay quit and stay here ... for now.  Thank you my friends and my brothers and thank you to all you others who may be hating right now.  You are all part of my quit and I will always be thankful for that.  But to the haters of my brothers  'Finger'

I think some of the drama you hate may have been brought about by the long, "look at me" swan song.

"Haters"...seems to be the new buzzword nowadays, and a reason to "go".

What exactly is a "hater"? one who disagrees with another and expresses it in a way that they or those close to them don't like, because the words are harsh?

I always thought a "hater" was someone who was jealous of something others had, that they did not. Like if I rolled up in a Lamborghini and said, "check out my new ride" and then someone said, "whatever, that things ugly, did your Daddy buy it for you? What, you think you're gonna be a chick magnet now? and what if you wanted to get 4 people in it? And what good will it be in the winter??? You live in MICHIGAN. Nice dropping a ton of cheddar on a car you can only use half the year, you could have bought three nice cars for that money, or should I say your Daddy could have". That person to me would be a "hater".

Is that what's going on here, we are all jealous of Dabean and his ability after 200 days to go at this alone? Do we all wish we were big and bad like Dabean and that's why we are lashing out at him, or "hating" as you call it?

Gotta tell ya, I read his intro from word one. Not a a lot of hate in there, in fact I saw a ton of love, support, and respect...on both ends.

And I think it's still there.

People just don't want to see him fail, and nobody has wished it on him. However, people who have been here a long time have seen this move before, and it doesn't always end well. I think that is why there is so much uproar. People care about Dabean and THINK not HOPE he's making a mistake, and they are telling him about it. Not because they are hating, but because they care.

I don't even like this Keyboard cowboy ^^^ but he is spot on.

Nobody likes me, and I don't care. This cowboy will continue to ride.

[Minny]

I really do hate the drama of this site.  You hear people talk about it's your quit, ever quit is different and shit like that but then when someone feels they are ready to face the world and not post every day they all go ape shit.  Hey just because some one leaves or takes a break or just slows down their posting doesn't mean they will fail.  I feel I need to stay here a while but that doesn't mean I will stay here forever.  I may be her a year or five or 10 or I may just opt out next week.  It is my quit and I feel that I should stay right now and keep supporting others and being supported by others.  It's my quit so stay the fuck out of it.  I will be proud to post 200 days and post 300 days and post 365 days.  And when I feel I don't need to post daily I will slow down.  When I feel somewhere down the road I don't need to post at all any more I won't.  One thing I have learned here over the last 191 day is don't tell anyone your intensions ... OH MY GOD ... then the losers come out of the closest and start hating on you.  Hey if you are one of those who need this site for the rest of your life more power to you but stop hating on those who move on with their lives.  I am stay quit and stay here ... for now.  Thank you my friends and my brothers and thank you to all you others who may be hating right now.  You are all part of my quit and I will always be thankful for that.  But to the haters of my brothers  'Finger'

I think some of the drama you hate may have been brought about by the long, "look at me" swan song.

"Haters"...seems to be the new buzzword nowadays, and a reason to "go".

What exactly is a "hater"? one who disagrees with another and expresses it in a way that they or those close to them don't like, because the words are harsh?

I always thought a "hater" was someone who was jealous of something others had, that they did not. Like if I rolled up in a Lamborghini and said, "check out my new ride" and then someone said, "whatever, that things ugly, did your Daddy buy it for you? What, you think you're gonna be a chick magnet now? and what if you wanted to get 4 people in it? And what good will it be in the winter??? You live in MICHIGAN. Nice dropping a ton of cheddar on a car you can only use half the year, you could have bought three nice cars for that money, or should I say your Daddy could have". That person to me would be a "hater".

Is that what's going on here, we are all jealous of Dabean and his ability after 200 days to go at this alone? Do we all wish we were big and bad like Dabean and that's why we are lashing out at him, or "hating" as you call it?

Gotta tell ya, I read his intro from word one. Not a a lot of hate in there, in fact I saw a ton of love, support, and respect...on both ends.

And I think it's still there.

People just don't want to see him fail, and nobody has wished it on him. However, people who have been here a long time have seen this move before, and it doesn't always end well. I think that is why there is so much uproar. People care about Dabean and THINK not HOPE he's making a mistake, and they are telling him about it. Not because they are hating, but because they care.

I don't even like this Keyboard cowboy ^^^ but he is spot on.

[Diesel2112]

I really do hate the drama of this site. You hear people talk about it's your quit, ever quit is different and shit like that but then when someone feels they are ready to face the world and not post every day they all go ape shit. Hey just because some one leaves or takes a break or just slows down their posting doesn't mean they will fail. I feel I need to stay here a while but that doesn't mean I will stay here forever. I may be her a year or five or 10 or I may just opt out next week. It is my quit and I feel that I should stay right now and keep supporting others and being supported by others. It's my quit so stay the fuck out of it. I will be proud to post 200 days and post 300 days and post 365 days. And when I feel I don't need to post daily I will slow down. When I feel somewhere down the road I don't need to post at all any more I won't. One thing I have learned here over the last 191 day is don't tell anyone your intensions ... OH MY GOD ... then the losers come out of the closest and start hating on you. Hey if you are one of those who need this site for the rest of your life more power to you but stop hating on those who move on with their lives. I am stay quit and stay here ... for now. Thank you my friends and my brothers and thank you to all you others who may be hating right now. You are all part of my quit and I will always be thankful for that. But to the haters of my brothers 'Finger'

I think some of the drama you hate may have been brought about by the long, "look at me" swan song.

"Haters"...seems to be the new buzzword nowadays, and a reason to "go".

What exactly is a "hater"? one who disagrees with another and expresses it in a way that they or those close to them don't like, because the words are harsh?

I always thought a "hater" was someone who was jealous of something others had, that they did not. Like if I rolled up in a Lamborghini and said, "check out my new ride" and then someone said, "whatever, that things ugly, did your Daddy buy it for you? What, you think you're gonna be a chick magnet now? and what if you wanted to get 4 people in it? And what good will it be in the winter??? You live in MICHIGAN. Nice dropping a ton of cheddar on a car you can only use half the year, you could have bought three nice cars for that money, or should I say your Daddy could have". That person to me would be a "hater".

Is that what's going on here, we are all jealous of Dabean and his ability after 200 days to go at this alone? Do we all wish we were big and bad like Dabean and that's why we are lashing out at him, or "hating" as you call it?

Gotta tell ya, I read his intro from word one. Not a a lot of hate in there, in fact I saw a ton of love, support, and respect...on both ends.

And I think it's still there.

People just don't want to see him fail, and nobody has wished it on him. However, people who have been here a long time have seen this move before, and it doesn't always end well. I think that is why there is so much uproar. People care about Dabean and THINK not HOPE he's making a mistake, and they are telling him about it. Not because they are hating, but because they care.